Palace 2-2 Saints - Match Thread

[SuperSAINT]

Here we go again.  Tricky match when we have such brittle confidence.

• Good news — Salisu & Romeu return.

• Bad news — I’m assuming we’re 3 strikers down with Broja / Adams / A.Armstrong out injured.  So Redmond / Tella / Theo / Long (!) will have to step up.

[AlexLaw76]

He has to make us harder to beat.  Simply swapping out players and sticking to a 442/4222 and seeing our defenders consistently so far up  the pitch is ridiculous.

Why do we never set up routinely with a 433/4231? 

Anyway, Livramento needs a break from the team. Ralph's total mismanagement of him is criminal

My prediction? loss, as will will 'go for it', look good in spells but our wide open set up will kill our game.

I would go with 433/4231 (and keep the shape for the next few)

 

Keeper (who knows)

KwP

Salisu

Stephens/Lyanco

Perraud

Romeu

Diallo

JwP

Redmond

Long (jesus fecking christ)

Tella/walcott

Edited 12 December, 2021 by AlexLaw76

[trousers]

23 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

He has to make us harder to beat

We were hard to beat for 4 weeks at end Oct/start Nov. Maybe we should revert back to whatever it was we were doing well then. (IIRC, that purple patch coincided with JWPs 3 game suspension, didn't it...?)

Edited 12 December, 2021 by trousers

[Jeremy Corbyn]

Agree that Livramento needs a rest.  I also think that his direct approach could be handy off the bench.  I also want to see JWP dropped as he's having a poor season and now his set pieces aren't working, he's not offering a lot.  Funny that our best run of the season happened with him suspended.

Willy

KWP Lyanco Salisu Perraud

         Romeu Diallo

Redmond                  Mo

       Long    Tella

 

[trousers]

I'm assuming we'll need to name a striker from the U23s/u18s on the bench for this one. Who gets the nod? Bullard maybe? 

[trousers]

4 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Agree that Livramento needs a rest.  I also think that his direct approach could be handy off the bench.  I also want to see JWP dropped as he's having a poor season and now his set pieces aren't working, he's not offering a lot.  Funny that our best run of the season happened with him suspended.

Willy

KWP Lyanco Salisu Perraud

         Romeu Diallo

Redmond                  Mo

       Long    Tella

 

Yep, I'd go similar to this... although maybe Djenepo instead of Mo. No chance Ralph will drop JWP though

[beatlesaint]

Theres more chance of Liverpool getting relegated than there is RH dropping Captain Marvel JWP  

[JRM]

18 minutes ago, trousers said:

We were hard to beat for 4 weeks at end Oct/start Nov. Maybe we should revert back to whatever it was we were doing well then. (IIRC, that purple patch coincided with JWPs 3 game suspension, didn't it...?)

And S. ARMSTRONG featuring. 

I just can't see where the goals will come from, best bet is to keep it tight, ride our luck and try to nick a 1-0 like our other wins this season. 

Palace play today, will be interesting to see how they set up . 

Big game Saturday v Brentford as well. 

[trousers]

10 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Agree that Livramento needs a rest.  I also think that his direct approach could be handy off the bench.  I also want to see JWP dropped as he's having a poor season and now his set pieces aren't working, he's not offering a lot.  Funny that our best run of the season happened with him suspended.

Willy

KWP Lyanco Salisu Perraud

         Romeu Diallo

Redmond                  Mo

       Long    Tella

 

 

4 minutes ago, trousers said:

Yep, I'd go similar to this... although maybe Djenepo instead of Mo. No chance Ralph will drop JWP though

Actually, I've a hunch Ralph will start Walcott up top rather than Long. 

[CB Fry]

Surely we've got justification to bring in a 40-something free agent centre forward to help us out.

[JRM]

7 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Surely we've got justification to bring in a 40-something free agent centre forward to help us out.

Give Peter Crouch a shout I reckon , reminds me of the days running a 6 a side team and having to text round on the day of the game as players drop out, "if your Dad's not up to much see if he fancies a game as well mate" 

Edited 12 December, 2021 by JRM

[JRM]

I've not checked myself but think they said on the radio we've now lost 15 out of the last 19 league away games , that's terrible and doesn't give much confidence for this. I'm sure in the early days of Ralph we were better away than at home. 

[Turkish]

13 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Surely we've got justification to bring in a 40-something free agent centre forward to help us out.

 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, JRM said:

I've not checked myself but think they said on the radio we've now lost 15 out of the last 19 league away games , that's terrible and doesn't give much confidence for this. I'm sure in the early days of Ralph we were better away than at home. 

We were which was just as well as we were dire at home, 4 home wins in his first season wasn’t it?. Now we seem to be crap home and away. 

[The Cat]

If we play Walcott and Long up front together would it be the worst striking partnership the league has ever seen?

[Teddeer]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

We were hard to beat for 4 weeks at end Oct/start Nov. Maybe we should revert back to whatever it was we were doing well then. (IIRC, that purple patch coincided with JWPs 3 game suspension, didn't it...?)

Nail hit firmly on the head.

[Teddeer]

9 minutes ago, The Cat said:

If we play Walcott and Long up front together would it be the worst striking partnership the league has ever seen?

Well, they'd convert hardly any chances so not a lot different to when the main strikers are playing.

[Turkish]

19 minutes ago, The Cat said:

If we play Walcott and Long up front together would it be the worst striking partnership the league has ever seen?

Ahem 

 

[SuperSAINT]

36 minutes ago, The Cat said:

If we play Walcott and Long up front together would it be the worst striking partnership the league has ever seen?

The absolute pinnacle of a strike force for a team who create & miss chances.

[JRM]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Ahem 

 

Didn't we also sign Perry Groves to supply the chances for those two?

[Harry_SFC]

If the 3 strikers are out then I'd go for this..

Willy; KWP, Lyanco, Salisu, Perraud; Romeu, JWP; Djenepo, Redmond; Tella, Long.

Subs: Lewis, Stephens, Bednarek, Livramento, Diallo, Smallbone, Elyounoussi, Watts, Walcott. 

[LiberalCommunist]

Hope Palace have luck similar to ours in todays last game. And a few reds to boot.

[TWar]

Willy

Livra Stephens Salisu KWP

JWP Romeu

Mo Djenepo

Redmond Tella

If one of Broja/Arma/Adams is fit then them instead of Djenepo and Tella back at the 10 role.

[whelk]

Drop JWP please

[Disco Stu]

I don't look forward to games anymore but I'll still end up watching this I'm sure. I can't see our fortunes changing.

Edited 12 December, 2021 by Disco Stu

[Baird of the land]

Be tempted to go 5-3-2. Choosing between Long or Redmond as 2nd striker is just ughhhh.

Forster (or if not fit Willy)

KWP Stephens Lyanco Salisu Perraud

Diallo Romeu JWP

Tella Redmond

 

[Whitey Grandad]

I didn’t realise that Palace were playing today. Does that help us?

[SuperSAINT]

2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I didn’t realise that Palace were playing today. Does that help us?

Probably not 

[Matthew Le God]

4 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I didn’t realise that Palace were playing today. Does that help us?

 

2 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Probably not 

Gives them less preparation and recovery time than Saints.

Edited 12 December, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[captainchris]

1 hour ago, TWar said:

Willy

Livra Stephens Salisu KWP

JWP Romeu

Mo Djenepo

Redmond Tella

If one of Broja/Arma/Adams is fit then them instead of Djenepo and Tella back at the 10 role.

So Ralph, you would continue with the same formation would you???????????
Jesus ! 

[TWar]

7 minutes ago, captainchris said:

So Ralph, you would continue with the same formation would you???????????
Jesus ! 

Formation wasn't the issue today. We had dreadful CBs, a woeful keeper, Broja who is a massive step down from Adams, and Diallo who had a dreadful game deputising for Romeu. Romeu and Salisu coming back will fix half those problems and the striker situation we will have to wait and see. Goalkeeping will continue to be an issue until we sign a good one.

[Sarisbury Saint]

27 minutes ago, TWar said:

Formation wasn't the issue today. We had dreadful CBs, a woeful keeper, Broja who is a massive step down from Adams, and Diallo who had a dreadful game deputising for Romeu. Romeu and Salisu coming back will fix half those problems and the striker situation we will have to wait and see. Goalkeeping will continue to be an issue until we sign a good one.

Broja will score more goals this season than Adam’s if given same game time.

We need someone who can supply the ammo and that’s the problem we have. 
This is why we need to ditch the same tactics that are failing with over and over again.

Edited 12 December, 2021 by Sarisbury Saint

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, JRM said:

Didn't we also sign Perry Groves to supply the chances for those two?

Yeah we did. Basically the shearer money went on them three plus Monkou, who was decent. We seem to be rather badly at spending record transfer fees received 

[Dorchester Saint]

He has to change it to make us solid while we’re without key strikers, damage limitation. If he goes for the same old same old he can fuck off as far as I’m concerned. 

[Sarisbury Saint]

Just now, Dorchester Saint said:

He has to change it to make us solid while we’re without key strikers, damage limitation. If he goes for the same old same old he can fuck off as far as I’m concerned. 

Some on here think the tactics are good. Just that we don’t have the players to play those tactics. Which then begs the question …why can’t he see that and change it ?

[Baird of the land]

I generally like the 4-2-2-2 formation but with injuries we really should change formation for this one and try and play on the counter

[Saint Matty 76]

I just can't see where any goals come from if Che, Stu, Adam and Broja all miss this one. And I even struggle to see where they come from with them as well sometimes.

[TWar]

9 minutes ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

Broja will score more goals this season than Adam’s if given same game time.

We need someone who can supply the ammo and that’s the problem we have. 
This is why we need to ditch the same tactics that are failing with over and over again.

Maybe, but he is much less valuable to how we play. Adams makes that through ball to Armstrong in the first half putting him through 1v1, he also presses more effectively meaning Arsenal are under much more pressure on the pass out. After Armstrong came off Broja was a passenger both in possession and against the ball.

The someone who can supply the ammo can be Adams, as well as scoring a couple. We need Armstrong to get his shooting boots on, and more quality from attacking mid. Ideally, that is Stuart Armstrong, but I don't know about his fitness.

Our tactics are hard to change as we have a team built to play this way. A 3atb won't help us score more goals imo, three in midfield isn't possible as we would need an attacking 8 (Think Mason Mount style) and we don't really have anyone who can play that role except Stu who is out. One up top doesn't work as our two best forwards both are not good target men and play much better as a two.

[fanimal]

Well Palace just won 3-1 so their confidence will be sky high compared to ours

Another Long evening beckons….

[Ldnsaint]

Expecting 343 -  wouldn't mind seeing Romeu, JWP and Diallo in a 433 though. 

 

[hasper57saint]

Just watched Palace aggressively beat Toffees. I don’t see us getting anything on Wednesday. We don’t have any midfield hardmen to handle Zaha or Benteki. Come on Saints. Prove me wrong.

 

[Bob76]

1 hour ago, TWar said:

Formation wasn't the issue today. We had dreadful CBs, a woeful keeper, Broja who is a massive step down from Adams, and Diallo who had a dreadful game deputising for Romeu. Romeu and Salisu coming back will fix half those problems and the striker situation we will have to wait and see. Goalkeeping will continue to be an issue until we sign a good one.

So players coming back who have played throughout our great form and playing the same formation will solve the problems???

[Badger]

20 minutes ago, hasper57saint said:

Just watched Palace aggressively beat Toffees. I don’t see us getting anything on Wednesday. We don’t have any midfield hardmen to handle Zaha or Benteki. Come on Saints. Prove me wrong.

 

Hasn't JWP done a job on him a few times ?

[Sarisbury Saint]

1 hour ago, TWar said:

Maybe, but he is much less valuable to how we play. Adams makes that through ball to Armstrong in the first half putting him through 1v1, he also presses more effectively meaning Arsenal are under much more pressure on the pass out. After Armstrong came off Broja was a passenger both in possession and against the ball.

The someone who can supply the ammo can be Adams, as well as scoring a couple. We need Armstrong to get his shooting boots on, and more quality from attacking mid. Ideally, that is Stuart Armstrong, but I don't know about his fitness.

Our tactics are hard to change as we have a team built to play this way. A 3atb won't help us score more goals imo, three in midfield isn't possible as we would need an attacking 8 (Think Mason Mount style) and we don't really have anyone who can play that role except Stu who is out. One up top doesn't work as our two best forwards both are not good target men and play much better as a two.

Simple, stop the press and adapt a style where we can be more competitive.

[SW5 SAINT]

36 minutes ago, fanimal said:

Well Palace just won 3-1 so their confidence will be sky high compared to ours

Another Long evening beckons….

I expect in every sense of the word…..

[hasper57saint]

13 minutes ago, Badger said:

Hasn't JWP done a job on him a few times ?

He tries to wind him up but I think he’s wised up. Seeing him tonight JWP will have his work cut out. Put KWP at right back and he will slow him down. For me this is a hard one to call.

[Micky]

Not too long ago we would've fancied getting something from this game, but now we are polar opposites. They are a team on the up,  confidence sky high, while we are quickly plummeting into the relegation dog fight, with confidence shot to pieces.   This will be yet another game where we run out of steam, ideas and hope,  no points. 

Edited 12 December, 2021 by Micky

[HarvSFC]

30 minutes ago, hasper57saint said:

He tries to wind him up but I think he’s wised up. Seeing him tonight JWP will have his work cut out. Put KWP at right back and he will slow him down. For me this is a hard one to call.

Some think he could’ve seen red after he shoved his hands at Delph’s face in the first half today. 

Would’ve been nice.

[OttawaSaint]

Arse beat us, Everton beat them and Palace beat Everton. Looking like another frustrating night. Seriously considering giving this one a miss. Sick of the same old shit we serve up.

[Noodles34]

7 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Surely we've got justification to bring in a 40-something free agent centre forward to help us out.

I think SRL would do better than the current crop we have to pick from