COVID and Football (Merged)

[FarehamSaintJames]

Get vaccinated, simple as.

The science backs up that the jabs prevents the hospitalisations and serious illness.

It will never necessarily prevent you from having the virus, how people still don’t understand this after all this time is baffling.

 

Either way, I think football will be played behind closed doors after Christmas. Got a feeling.

[miserableoldgit]

I know that there is another thread on this somewhere but I can't find it. 

 

[Mattio]

He's a lemon.

[FarehamSaintJames]

I mean Dan Wootton is a bellend anyway.

Haven't followed Matt Le Tissier for over a year, Rickie Lambert the same. Have the club cut ties with him?

[Mattio]

People saying that Omicron is weak must be related to Mystic Meg, we won't know how it will affect our population for another couple of weeks. Hospitalisations usually take a month and it's only been here 2 weeks, South Africa has a much younger population so we can base it on what's happening there. Fingers crossed you're right but for now it's surely better safe than sorry.

[AlexLaw76]

9 minutes ago, Mattio said:

People saying that Omicron is weak must be related to Mystic Meg, we won't know how it will affect our population for another couple of weeks. Hospitalisations usually take a month and it's only been here 2 weeks, South Africa has a much younger population so we can base it on what's happening there. Fingers crossed you're right but for now it's surely better safe than sorry.

South Africa is telling us it is weak. 

South Africa have terrible health records and a largely unvaccinated population. 

If the idea is being better safe than sorry, then this will never ever end!

 

Edited 17 December, 2021 by AlexLaw76

[spyinthesky]

I am fully vaccinated and have followed what, I believe to be, the best advice from medical experts in the UK which seem to reflect the opinions of the vast majority of their colleagues across the world.

I thought MLT came over reasonably well in this interview with Dan Wootton (who I agree is a 'bell end') and there are questions regarding the increased number of heart issues in sports people which need to be investigated if, indeed, this is the case.

The problem is, I think that MLT has extended his, relatively reasonable questions about Covid vaccinations etc, to a wider conspiracy debate along the lines of David Icke and Piers Corbyn, which does him no favours.

I suppose one good thing is that GB News is not at the fore front of news generation and viewing figures are minimal.

[Saint_Jonny]

Well that was my first exposure to GB news and man...I hope it's the last! Like a bunch of Grandads in a self sustaining circle-jerk of self perpetuating bullshit.

[Lighthouse]

7 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

I thought MLT came over reasonably well in this interview with Dan Wootton (who I agree is a 'bell end') and there are questions regarding the increased number of heart issues in sports people which need to be investigated if, indeed, this is the case.

The problem is, he’s being in no way objective about it. He’s just determined for it to be about vaccines causing long term heart failures because it fits his agenda. When people point out that some of the examples he quoted weren’t even vaccinated at the time, he just blanks them. When some random account quotes stats about, "a 300% increase in myocardytis," (yes, it was spelled incorrectly) he’s all over it like a rat on a pork pie, despite myocarditis not actually being diagnosed and no actual evidence being provided of anything.

[Millbrook Saint]

Not sure what he said wrong to be honest, whilst I'd disagree about the number of on field heart issues, can't think of too many to be honest.  But he is right an investigation would help identify the issue, whether it be vaccine or covid related, or something else.  Surely that would be a good thing?

I'm fully vaccinated, with my booster due this week, but he's correct, people should be given all the information, the number of deaths from the vaccine, compared to deaths from other vaccines, the demographic of the people who died. 

They should be open about the number of people who've died from the Omicron variant, not with it, we've all heard the stories of people with terminal cancer who died with covid, with cause of death put as covid, when clearly they were on their last legs.

Not only that, what's happened to the scientist from South Africa who first identified the Omicron variant, she said it's far more mild than the others, she doesn't seem to be getting any airtime, whilst the doom mongers are everywhere.  This is what's not helping.

Transparency is what's needed so people can make their own minds up, this onslaught of fear mongering will only work for so long, before people start refusing to do as they say.

I for one will not be staying in, I'll be going to pubs and football, I'll also mix with who I like, I'd rather live a year enjoying myself than 10 being locked down in all but name

Edited 17 December, 2021 by Millbrook Saint

[East Kent Saint]

18 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

Not sure what he said wrong to be honest, whilst I'd disagree about the number of on field heart issues, can't think of too many to be honest.  But he is right an investigation would help identify the issue, whether it be vaccine or covid related, or something else.  Surely that would be a good thing?

I'm fully vaccinated, with my booster due this week, but he's correct, people should be given all the information, the number of deaths from the vaccine, compared to deaths from other vaccines, the demographic of the people who died. 

They should be open about the number of people who've died from the Omicron variant, not with it, we've all heard the stories of people with terminal cancer who died with covid, with cause of death put as covid, when clearly they were on their last legs.

Not only that, what's happened to the scientist from South Africa who first identified the Omicron variant, she said it's far more mild than the others, she doesn't seem to be getting any airtime, whilst the doom mongers are everywhere.  This is what's not helping.

Transparency is what's needed so people can make their own minds up, this onslaught of fear mongering will only work for so long, before people start refusing to do as they say.

I for one will not be staying in, I'll be going to pubs and football, I'll also mix with who I like, I'd rather live a year enjoying myself than 10 being locked down in all but name

Heart problems have been flagged up in many athletes , totally unrelated to vaccinations and before Covid even happened . Some were due to performance drug use , some were due to undiagnosed heart issuses ( which is why defib machines are recommended for all sport stadiums) and a newer theory is than excessive over training can over stress the body. Who thought record holder Michael Johnson would be a stroke victim ???

[spyinthesky]

26 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

Not sure what he said wrong to be honest, whilst I'd disagree about the number of on field heart issues, can't think of too many to be honest.  But he is right an investigation would help identify the issue, whether it be vaccine or covid related, or something else.  Surely that would be a good thing?

I'm fully vaccinated, with my booster due this week, but he's correct, people should be given all the information, the number of deaths from the vaccine, compared to deaths from other vaccines, the demographic of the people who died. 

They should be open about the number of people who've died from the Omicron variant, not with it, we've all heard the stories of people with terminal cancer who died with covid, with cause of death put as covid, when clearly they were on their last legs.

Not only that, what's happened to the scientist from South Africa who first identified the Omicron variant, she said it's far more mild than the others, she doesn't seem to be getting any airtime, whilst the doom mongers are everywhere.  This is what's not helping.

Transparency is what's needed so people can make their own minds up, this onslaught of fear mongering will only work for so long, before people start refusing to do as they say.

I for one will not be staying in, I'll be going to pubs and football, I'll also mix with who I like, I'd rather live a year enjoying myself than 10 being locked down in all but name

A reasoned response.
The only point I personally would take some issue with, if we all go out and live our lives 'normally' even though fully vaccinated/mask wearing etc, there remains the chance of infecting others or being infected which could potentially cause more hospital workers being infected and/or more patients taking up ICU beds.
That, to me, is a conundrum.

[Dellman]

37 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

Not sure what he said wrong to be honest, whilst I'd disagree about the number of on field heart issues, can't think of too many to be honest.  But he is right an investigation would help identify the issue, whether it be vaccine or covid related, or something else.  Surely that would be a good thing?

I'm fully vaccinated, with my booster due this week, but he's correct, people should be given all the information, the number of deaths from the vaccine, compared to deaths from other vaccines, the demographic of the people who died. 

They should be open about the number of people who've died from the Omicron variant, not with it, we've all heard the stories of people with terminal cancer who died with covid, with cause of death put as covid, when clearly they were on their last legs.

Not only that, what's happened to the scientist from South Africa who first identified the Omicron variant, she said it's far more mild than the others, she doesn't seem to be getting any airtime, whilst the doom mongers are everywhere.  This is what's not helping.

Transparency is what's needed so people can make their own minds up, this onslaught of fear mongering will only work for so long, before people start refusing to do as they say.

I for one will not be staying in, I'll be going to pubs and football, I'll also mix with who I like, I'd rather live a year enjoying myself than 10 being locked down in all but name

Sounds utterly selfish, me me me, a Boris type, this is the root of the problem

[Turkish]

Did anyone actually listen to what MLT said or did they just hear what they wanted to hear? MLT makes a valid point, in all his years playing football no one ever went off with heart problems, yet since the vaccine loads have, he's asking for an investigation into why it's suddenly started happening, even saying it might not be down to the vaccine. Also that a lot of "experts"  arent giving impartial advice as they have a conflict of interest. What's wrong with that?

[CB Fry]

2 hours ago, miserableoldgit said:

I know that there is another thread on this somewhere but I can't find it. 

 

I got bored after he said "we've got to stop giving people half-truths to scare people" before then both of them proceeding to dish out a load of half truths (or worse) to scare people.

[Millbrook Saint]

14 minutes ago, Dellman said:

Sounds utterly selfish, me me me, a Boris type, this is the root of the problem

Not sure what Boris has to do with it but hey ho.

Can you tell me why living my life is selfish, I could get snuffed out next week, I'll make the most of the time I got thanks.

Last year we were told the vaccines were a game changer, we all stayed in like good little monkeys, the vaccines come out, we get back to nearly normal, now a new variant appears and it's back to staying in, not mixing, well sorry I've had enough of that, what happens next, a new vaccine, back to normal, then a new variant, this could go on for years, I'd rather spend the time I got enjoying myself, instead of sitting indoors too scared to go out.

People are more than welcome to stay in if they like, but I choose not to.

[Charlie Wayman]

15 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

Not sure what Boris has to do with it but hey ho.

Can you tell me why living my life is selfish, I could get snuffed out next week, I'll make the most of the time I got thanks.

Last year we were told the vaccines were a game changer, we all stayed in like good little monkeys, the vaccines come out, we get back to nearly normal, now a new variant appears and it's back to staying in, not mixing, well sorry I've had enough of that, what happens next, a new vaccine, back to normal, then a new variant, this could go on for years, I'd rather spend the time I got enjoying myself, instead of sitting indoors too scared to go out.

People are more than welcome to stay in if they like, but I choose not to.

It will go on for years as herd immunity seems unachievable. This will be the new 'norm' for our lives well into the future. We all need to find a way to live with the virus depending upon our individual circumstances and risk assessments but only a fool would disregard reality and throw caution to the wind. 

[Maggie May]

The problem with Le Tiss is all his “research” is based on what he’s read on the internet or Facebook memes.
 

I doubt he’s piling through thousands of pages of verified peer review studies, spending time in vaccine research labs, in Covid wards, or interviewing scientists on their findings.

[JRM]

1 hour ago, Millbrook Saint said:

Not sure what he said wrong to be honest, whilst I'd disagree about the number of on field heart issues, can't think of too many to be honest.  But he is right an investigation would help identify the issue, whether it be vaccine or covid related, or something else.  Surely that would be a good thing?

I'm fully vaccinated, with my booster due this week, but he's correct, people should be given all the information, the number of deaths from the vaccine, compared to deaths from other vaccines, the demographic of the people who died. 

They should be open about the number of people who've died from the Omicron variant, not with it, we've all heard the stories of people with terminal cancer who died with covid, with cause of death put as covid, when clearly they were on their last legs.

Not only that, what's happened to the scientist from South Africa who first identified the Omicron variant, she said it's far more mild than the others, she doesn't seem to be getting any airtime, whilst the doom mongers are everywhere.  This is what's not helping.

Transparency is what's needed so people can make their own minds up, this onslaught of fear mongering will only work for so long, before people start refusing to do as they say.

I for one will not be staying in, I'll be going to pubs and football, I'll also mix with who I like, I'd rather live a year enjoying myself than 10 being locked down in all but name

Top post Millbrook Saint , pubs (especially independent ones) are desperate for people like us to keep them going. 

[JRM]

51 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Did anyone actually listen to what MLT said or did they just hear what they wanted to hear? MLT makes a valid point, in all his years playing football no one ever went off with heart problems, yet since the vaccine loads have, he's asking for an investigation into why it's suddenly started happening, even saying it might not be down to the vaccine. Also that a lot of "experts"  arent giving impartial advice as they have a conflict of interest. What's wrong with that?

Exactly mate, I was lucky enough to spend some time with MLT in the summer, really decent guy who goes out of his way to help people out, his opinions are perfectly valid. 

The Kings of misinformation start with Prof Ferguson and his models via Whitty using projected figures to force through policy change "just in case worst case scenario happens" 

[SaintsLoyal]

Le Tissier is a dangerous conspiracy theorist, who continues arrogantly to put peoples lives at risk. He's long lost the right for any say on Covid and to see him on 'GB News' and the vile 'Dan Wotton' really just sums up the mess hes become. He claims to be a 'critical thinker' and then talks about footballers and health issues. So how come his 'research' has totally missed the fact that in this country, the recent player health on/off field events has nothing to do with vaccines ? Yet because he lives in a world of 'confirmation bias' he will only consider that its all covid vaccine related. Thew fact the world has been in a respiratory disease pandimic for two years seems to have been lost on Le Tissier. 

Le Tissier is suppose to be a club ambassador and has pissed all over that in the last eighteen months with his conspiracy views and telling people to ignore all health measures to mitigate covid infection. To think he even works for the community Saints foundation as well. Shameful and i fail to understand why the club has not removed him from both roles. Le Tissier has responsibilites and has ignored them all and blocked many saints fans on social media for telling him to pipe down. 

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Le Tissier is a dangerous conspiracy theorist, who continues arrogantly to put peoples lives at risk. He's long lost the right for any say on Covid and to see him on 'GB News' and the vile 'Dan Wotton' really just sums up the mess hes become. He claims to be a 'critical thinker' and then talks about footballers and health issues. So how come his 'research' has totally missed the fact that in this country, the recent player health on/off field events has nothing to do with vaccines ? Yet because he lives in a world of 'confirmation bias' he will only consider that its all covid vaccine related. Thew fact the world has been in a respiratory disease pandimic for two years seems to have been lost on Le Tissier. 

Le Tissier is suppose to be a club ambassador and has pissed all over that in the last eighteen months with his conspiracy views and telling people to ignore all health measures to mitigate covid infection. To think he even works for the community Saints foundation as well. Shameful and i fail to understand why the club has not removed him from both roles. Le Tissier has responsibilites and has ignored them all and blocked many saints fans on social media for telling him to pipe down. 

So you're saying he should be removed from his roles because he has a different opinion?

Where do you draw the line, anyone who voted Labour / a.n.other party gets the boot?

How is he putting people's lives at risk - no-one has to listen to what he has to say...

[AlexLaw76]

7 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Le Tissier is a dangerous conspiracy theorist, who continues arrogantly to put peoples lives at risk. He's long lost the right for any say on Covid and to see him on 'GB News' and the vile 'Dan Wotton' really just sums up the mess hes become. He claims to be a 'critical thinker' and then talks about footballers and health issues. So how come his 'research' has totally missed the fact that in this country, the recent player health on/off field events has nothing to do with vaccines ? Yet because he lives in a world of 'confirmation bias' he will only consider that its all covid vaccine related. Thew fact the world has been in a respiratory disease pandimic for two years seems to have been lost on Le Tissier. 

Le Tissier is suppose to be a club ambassador and has pissed all over that in the last eighteen months with his conspiracy views and telling people to ignore all health measures to mitigate covid infection. To think he even works for the community Saints foundation as well. Shameful and i fail to understand why the club has not removed him from both roles. Le Tissier has responsibilites and has ignored them all and blocked many saints fans on social media for telling him to pipe down. 

in the mean time, believe Sage/Ferguson et al, who have been not even remotely close with their wacky efforts at 'modelling' this thing.  Freaking people out, leading the charge to lock us down.  This IS resulting is massive health issues as we literally pause the NHS.  Pause critical services (cancer, mental health etc) so that perfectly fit and healthy people can "Get Boosted Now".

 

This is a massive mess and people are rightly calling out concerns they have.  Time will tell whether they are valid

[Charlie Wayman]

12 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Le Tissier is a dangerous conspiracy theorist, who continues arrogantly to put peoples lives at risk. He's long lost the right for any say on Covid and to see him on 'GB News' and the vile 'Dan Wotton' really just sums up the mess hes become. He claims to be a 'critical thinker' and then talks about footballers and health issues. So how come his 'research' has totally missed the fact that in this country, the recent player health on/off field events has nothing to do with vaccines ? Yet because he lives in a world of 'confirmation bias' he will only consider that its all covid vaccine related. Thew fact the world has been in a respiratory disease pandimic for two years seems to have been lost on Le Tissier. 

Le Tissier is suppose to be a club ambassador and has pissed all over that in the last eighteen months with his conspiracy views and telling people to ignore all health measures to mitigate covid infection. To think he even works for the community Saints foundation as well. Shameful and i fail to understand why the club has not removed him from both roles. Le Tissier has responsibilites and has ignored them all and blocked many saints fans on social media for telling him to pipe down. 

👍

[Millbrook Saint]

8 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Le Tissier is a dangerous conspiracy theorist, who continues arrogantly to put peoples lives at risk. He's long lost the right for any say on Covid and to see him on 'GB News' and the vile 'Dan Wotton' really just sums up the mess hes become. He claims to be a 'critical thinker' and then talks about footballers and health issues. So how come his 'research' has totally missed the fact that in this country, the recent player health on/off field events has nothing to do with vaccines ? Yet because he lives in a world of 'confirmation bias' he will only consider that its all covid vaccine related. Thew fact the world has been in a respiratory disease pandimic for two years seems to have been lost on Le Tissier. 

Le Tissier is suppose to be a club ambassador and has pissed all over that in the last eighteen months with his conspiracy views and telling people to ignore all health measures to mitigate covid infection. To think he even works for the community Saints foundation as well. Shameful and i fail to understand why the club has not removed him from both roles. Le Tissier has responsibilites and has ignored them all and blocked many saints fans on social media for telling him to pipe down. 

I have no idea if he's a conspiracy theorist or not, but he's right there has been more on field heart issues since the start of covid, an investigation into what's causing this can't be wrong surely?  Personally I think it's more to do with either the supplements they're taking or how hard they train, either way to have an independent investigation come back and say 'seems like the heart issues have all been caused by too much cocaine, or whatever' would go some way in persuading people the vaccines are safe, whilst it keeps happening with no conclusions being provided just means people will draw their own conclusions.

[whelk]

Just saw SSN saying 97% of La Liga players are vaccinated and we have 25% of PL players not planning to be vaccinated. Is this just illustrating the cliched European cultured sophisticated player v English thick as shit footballer?

Edited 17 December, 2021 by whelk

[JRM]

14 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

I have no idea if he's a conspiracy theorist or not, but he's right there has been more on field heart issues since the start of covid, an investigation into what's causing this can't be wrong surely?  Personally I think it's more to do with either the supplements they're taking or how hard they train, either way to have an independent investigation come back and say 'seems like the heart issues have all been caused by too much cocaine, or whatever' would go some way in persuading people the vaccines are safe, whilst it keeps happening with no conclusions being provided just means people will draw their own conclusions.

It makes me laugh when they try to smear and cancel people with different opinions, plenty of basis to question what is going on 

 

[JRM]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

Just saw SSN saying 97% of La Liga players are vaccinated and we have 25% of PL players not planning to be vaccinated. Is this just illustrating the cliched European cultured sophisticated player v English thick as shit footballer?

Racist stereotypes- thought taking the knee would have stamped out this type of post 

[whelk]

Just now, JRM said:

Racist stereotypes- thought taking the knee would have stamped out this type of post 

Racist huh? No offence to those thick as shit of course

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Did anyone actually listen to what MLT said or did they just hear what they wanted to hear? MLT makes a valid point, in all his years playing football no one ever went off with heart problems, yet since the vaccine loads have, he's asking for an investigation into why it's suddenly started happening, even saying it might not be down to the vaccine. Also that a lot of "experts"  arent giving impartial advice as they have a conflict of interest. What's wrong with that?

Marc Vivien Foe and that Bolton player?

Matt is talking out of his backside on that one.

My wife and daughters have been diagnosed with Sudden Death Syndrome.  It is hereditary and they were only tested after the mother-in-law was diagnosed.  They have never displayed any symptoms, but thankfully are now receiving treatment or monitored.

Matt is talking out of his arse on that one.  He’s really annoyed me with his ignorant views.

I won’t be lectured by Chris Whitty on the merits of 4-2-2-2, so I won’t be taking much notice of Matt’s views on health and science.

[CB Fry]

 

1 hour ago, Maggie May said:

The problem with Le Tiss is all his “research” is based on what he’s read on the internet or Facebook memes.
 

I doubt he’s piling through thousands of pages of verified peer review studies, spending time in vaccine research labs, in Covid wards, or interviewing scientists on their findings.

Indeed.

"Why doesn't someone give us all the information" says someone who couldn't possibly cope with anything remotely approaching "all the information".

 

[Turkish]

17 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Marc Vivien Foe and that Bolton player?

Matt is talking out of his backside on that one.

My wife and daughters have been diagnosed with Sudden Death Syndrome.  It is hereditary and they were only tested after the mother-in-law was diagnosed.  They have never displayed any symptoms, but thankfully are now receiving treatment or monitored.

Matt is talking out of his arse on that one.  He’s really annoyed me with his ignorant views.

I won’t be lectured by Chris Whitty on the merits of 4-2-2-2, so I won’t be taking much notice of Matt’s views on health and science.

Well done on quoting 2 in the last 30 years pre covid, there's been more than that in the last few months since pal. Le Tissier even says it might not be down to the vaccine, but unless it's looked into how will anyone know? How is that talking out of his arse? 

Edited 17 December, 2021 by Turkish

[waylander]

36 minutes ago, whelk said:

Just saw SSN saying 97% of La Liga players are vaccinated and we have 25% of PL players not planning to be vaccinated. Is this just illustrating the cliched European cultured sophisticated player v English thick as shit footballer?

Isn't it 25% of EFL players, not PL?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59686996

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Le Tissier is a dangerous conspiracy theorist, who continues arrogantly to put peoples lives at risk. He's long lost the right for any say on Covid and to see him on 'GB News' and the vile 'Dan Wotton' really just sums up the mess hes become. He claims to be a 'critical thinker' and then talks about footballers and health issues. So how come his 'research' has totally missed the fact that in this country, the recent player health on/off field events has nothing to do with vaccines ? Yet because he lives in a world of 'confirmation bias' he will only consider that its all covid vaccine related. Thew fact the world has been in a respiratory disease pandimic for two years seems to have been lost on Le Tissier. 

Le Tissier is suppose to be a club ambassador and has pissed all over that in the last eighteen months with his conspiracy views and telling people to ignore all health measures to mitigate covid infection. To think he even works for the community Saints foundation as well. Shameful and i fail to understand why the club has not removed him from both roles. Le Tissier has responsibilites and has ignored them all and blocked many saints fans on social media for telling him to pipe down. 

How is he putting peoples lives at risk? 

[whelk]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

How is he putting peoples lives at risk? 

All the deathbed stories - if only I had been vaccinated but MLT discouraged me

[East Kent Saint]

18 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Well done on quoting 2 in the last 30 years pre covid, there's been more than that in the last few months since pal. Le Tissier even says it might not be down to the vaccine, but unless it's looked into how will anyone know? How is that talking out of his arse? 

You forgot the Spurs player , years before the Folkestone youngster etc , was Erikson jabbed ? You have to take into account the change in football training since the Greaves days of 6 pints before a match etc

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

You forgot the Spurs player , years before the Folkestone youngster etc , was Erikson jabbed ? You have to take into account the change in football training since the Greaves days of 6 pints before a match etc

So we're up to 4 in the 30 years before covid, (one of them  Folkstone player!) any advance on 4? Aguero, Fleck, Linderof, Charlie Wyke. Just managed to list 4 in the last month.

[Turkish]

no doubt more fake news 🤔

[waylander]

Nicked from BBC News, posted today at 13.41

"Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine is up to four times more likely to cause inflammation of the heart muscle than its rival from Pfizer-BioNTech, according to a Danish study published in the British Medical Journal (BMJ).

As many as 4.9 million people, or 85% of Danes, participated in the trial which investigated the link between mRNA-based coronavirus vaccines and the rare side-effect, known as myocarditis or myopericarditis.

However, the overall risk of developing heart inflammation as a result of the vaccines remains extremely low, according to the study conducted by Denmark's Statens Serum Institute.

The researchers found only 1 case per 71,400 vaccinated with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and 1 case per 23,800 vaccinated with Moderna's jab. Most of the cases had been mild, the study adds.

"Our findings do not generally overshadow the many benefits that come with being vaccinated," study author Anders Hviid says in a statement.

"One must keep in mind that the alternative of getting an infection with Covid-19 probably also involves a risk of inflammation in the heart muscle," Hviid says."

[LuckyNumber7]

1 hour ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Shameful and i fail to understand why the club has not removed him from both roles. 

Probably because we're not living in Nazi Germany and he has just as much right to an opinion as you do.

It's people like you who want to censor anything they don't agree with who are the dangerous ones.

[Turkish]

11 minutes ago, waylander said:

Nicked from BBC News, posted today at 13.41

"Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine is up to four times more likely to cause inflammation of the heart muscle than its rival from Pfizer-BioNTech, according to a Danish study published in the British Medical Journal (BMJ).

As many as 4.9 million people, or 85% of Danes, participated in the trial which investigated the link between mRNA-based coronavirus vaccines and the rare side-effect, known as myocarditis or myopericarditis.

However, the overall risk of developing heart inflammation as a result of the vaccines remains extremely low, according to the study conducted by Denmark's Statens Serum Institute.

The researchers found only 1 case per 71,400 vaccinated with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and 1 case per 23,800 vaccinated with Moderna's jab. Most of the cases had been mild, the study adds.

"Our findings do not generally overshadow the many benefits that come with being vaccinated," study author Anders Hviid says in a statement.

"One must keep in mind that the alternative of getting an infection with Covid-19 probably also involves a risk of inflammation in the heart muscle," Hviid says."

lad in our office had a moderna jab yesterday, fainted in the office this morning. Now in hospital having tests on his heart. Might be unrelated and a combination of the jab and doing too much at the gym this morning.  

Edited 17 December, 2021 by Turkish

[saint1977]

56 minutes ago, Turkish said:

So we're up to 4 in the 30 years before covid, (one of them  Folkstone player!) any advance on 4? Aguero, Fleck, Linderof, Charlie Wyke. Just managed to list 4 in the last month.

Complete history here and a pretty steady (but tragic) flow, many with heart problems. Had forgotten it about Chiek Tiote in 2017, only 30 and no COVID then. Was a 17 year old Belgian player that year with a heart attack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing

Professor Greg Whyte is worth listening about cardiac risk in the young, presented at my work just after Vivien Foe happened.

Just read that Reuters article posted. Nothing in there about vaccine safety really, sort of contract agreement issues you would expect when vaccinating high mobile and vulnerable populations so you can track some kind of reliable data. Just shows how information can be read multiple ways depending on your starting viewpoint if a strong one.

Turkish - look at the wiki link, there hasn’t been a big spike in professional football overall, including those nations where populations vaccinated. Besides, who knows bar the players if Fleck or Wyke were/are vaccinated or not? 25% of EFL players aren’t even planning to have one.

Look at Kimmich - lung issue caused by COVID, he was a vaccine sceptic but changed his mind https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/13/football/joshua-kimmich-regrets-no-covid-vaccine-spt-intl/index.html

Edited 17 December, 2021 by saint1977

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Well done on quoting 2 in the last 30 years pre covid, there's been more than that in the last few months since pal. Le Tissier even says it might not be down to the vaccine, but unless it's looked into how will anyone know? How is that talking out of his arse? 

Mate of mine had a heart attack on the pitch a couple of years ago, and he is fit as a flea.

I’m sure there have been many more, just not premier league players.  Sorry it doesn’t fit with your narrative though.

Edited 17 December, 2021 by Wade Garrett

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Mate of mine had a heart attack on the pitch a couple of years ago, and he is fit as a flea.

I’m sure there have been many more, just not premier league players.  Sorry it doesn’t fit with your narrative though.

what narrative? I started out by saying that people hadn't actually understood what MLT was saying, which they haven't. I've no idea if it's vaccine/covid related or not and that's exactly what MLT said. We can all quote random examples of fit people having heart attacks but no one can deny there has been a big spike in cardic/breathing issues since covid. 

[AlexLaw76]

12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

what narrative? I started out by saying that people hadn't actually understood what MLT was saying, which they haven't. I've no idea if it's vaccine/covid related or not and that's exactly what MLT said. We can all quote random examples of fit people having heart attacks but no one can deny there has been a big spike in cardic/breathing issues since covid. 

And MLT is supposed to be the lunatic...3000+ daily deaths in a couple of weeks (111 today though)

Quote

Neil Ferguson and his team at Imperial College London found “no evidence” the variant is less severe than Delta but estimate it is five-and-a-half times more likely to re-infect people and make vaccines significantly weaker.

Drawing on data from Omicron’s spread in the UK and South Africa, as well as lab tests on vaccine effectiveness, they concluded: “Omicron poses a major, imminent threat to public health.”

Professor Ferguson – a Government adviser whose modelling has spooked No10 into lockdowns before – said tighter curbs were needed “in a week or two” to have a significant effect on the size of the peak of the new wave.

The latest projections will raise fears that Britons could be stung by last-minute festive restrictions once again, with Boris Johnson repeatedly refusing to rule a full lockdown out if hospitalisations start to surge.

Wales has already announced the return of social distancing and closure of nightclubs from Boxing Day, while Scots are urged to limit mixing to three households and people in England are advised to “prioritise” social events.

In a best case scenario, Imperial said without further curbs there could be in the region of 3,000 daily Omicron deaths at the peak in January – significantly higher than the previous record of 1,800 during the second wave.

Professor Azra Ghani, an epidemiologist at the university and one of the researchers behind the modelling, said it was an “illustration of the need to act”.

Yesterday, Chris Whitty told MPs yesterday that he was “extremely cautious” about SAGE’s modelling of Omicron because there are still some “really critical things we don’t know” about the variant.

SAGE’s models have been criticised several times in the past for overegging the UK’s epidemic, most recently projecting 6,000 daily Delta hospital admissions in October.

 

Edited 17 December, 2021 by AlexLaw76

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

And MLT is supposed to be the lunatic...3000+ daily deaths in a couple of weeks (111 today though)

 

yeah but we'll be getting 50 million infections a day but then so everyone in hospitals will have it so no one to treat anyone.

[JRM]

15 minutes ago, Turkish said:

what narrative? I started out by saying that people hadn't actually understood what MLT was saying, which they haven't. I've no idea if it's vaccine/covid related or not and that's exactly what MLT said. We can all quote random examples of fit people having heart attacks but no one can deny there has been a big spike in cardic/breathing issues since covid. 

People will try to silence you just for asking the question mate, remember it's better to live one day as a lion than a hundred as a sheep 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, JRM said:

People will try to silence you just for asking the question mate, remember it's better to live one day as a lion than a hundred as a sheep 

true, stick to the party line otherwise loose lips sink ships.

[Lighthouse]

 

If anyone thinks Tiss is simply asking the questions, which need to be asked, with an open mind and an unbiased outlook, this is the kind of tripe he is currently retweeting. The guy wont even accept that COVID exists as an airborne pathogen and we're supposed to listen to his medical 'advice'.

[Saint_Jonny]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

Well done on quoting 2 in the last 30 years pre covid, there's been more than that in the last few months since pal. Le Tissier even says it might not be down to the vaccine, but unless it's looked into how will anyone know? How is that talking out of his arse? 

It's like me randomly linking the increase in some negative thing that has happened since vaccines to people having vaccines. Anyone can link two things together to suit their agenda, and then throw their hands up in the air and say "well unless it's looked into we just don't know do we!" - it's a shit stirring tactic used by idiots. Wait...that sounds like you! You do this all the time! Fuck me, no wonder you're on MLT's side