COVID and Football (Merged)

[Matthew Le God]

7 minutes ago, egg said:

We could all hazard a guess 

Can you give it a go and don't say a leader in the community!? 😁

 

Edited 20 December, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

Can you give it a go and don't say a leader in the community!? 😁

Why don’t you give it a go, you claim to have a masters, I’m sure you can work it out

[Lighthouse]

42 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Still dangling the threat of restrictions over Christmas and new year to get people to have needles in their arms aren’t they. Tossers

If only there was a simply way for people to get around that for free, in ten minutes…

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Why don’t you give it a go, you claim to have a masters, I’m sure you can work it out

Why can't you answer the question? I live in a small Hampshire town, who is my 'community leader' to influence me having the vaccine? (had my booster today so didn't need any leader)

Edited 20 December, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

If only there was a simply way for people to get around that for free, in ten minutes…

Half the country has mate, hasn’t stopped them has it. 

[egg]

4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Can you give it a go and don't say a leader in the community!? 😁

 

You're as capable as giving a correct answer as I am. Not like you tobe shy. 

[hackedoff]

27 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

What is a community leader exactly? 

Someone who likes to marry off your 10 year old daughter to a 50 year old "cousin" in Bangalore.

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, hackedoff said:

Someone who likes to marry off your 10 year old daughter to a 50 year old "cousin" in Bangalore.

 

[East Kent Saint]

It was proposed , by a French politician I think , at the start of covid that the vaccines could be tried out on Africans first ! A long standing colonial practice apparently . Descendants are not too keen on “white man’s medicine “ as a result. 

[Mystic Force]

Oh FFS,

Just because you all want to fail the "Mystic Force test of how not to be a knob head" here is a working definition of a "Community Leader" and if you disagree or feel that it is lacking you can add or subtract from.

A Person who by reputation, family connection, position or previous activities is regarded as being able to influence the actions of people in that location or group or make changes that will effect those same people. Examples might include an elected politician, nobility, union official, senior member of a family, Heads of an organizations operating in the local, people who have done something notable in the area etc.

Being a community leader is not necessarily a formal position and may be self appointed ie a person comes forward claiming to represent a group of people without other people elevating them to said status and the entire group may not support, recognize or follow a particular person.

Or to put it simply someone is a community leader because some other people say they are. Normally some self important twat trying to blag fame, money of influence by dint of telling everyone else they should have it.

 

And my PhD trumps MLG's masters so there!

Edited 20 December, 2021 by Mystic Force

[whelk]

 

[FarehamSaintJames]

It’s clear nothing will be announced until after Christmas.

This is purely political for Boris and not about the people.

Doesn’t want to lose support by cancelling Christmas, but also the inevitable delay will push everything back further and allow cases to rise.

He’s doomed whatever he does, and it’s tragic and somehow hilarious to watch him dig his head in the sand.

An absolutely shocking PM who will be remembered for bullshit and corruption.

Even if he came out today and announced harsh restrictions it wouldn’t surprise me if he if the country stuck two fingers up at him, this is his doing.

[AlexLaw76]

 

1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

It’s clear nothing will be announced until after Christmas.

This is purely political for Boris and not about the people.

Doesn’t want to lose support by cancelling Christmas, but also the inevitable delay will push everything back further and allow cases to rise.

He’s doomed whatever he does, and it’s tragic and somehow hilarious to watch him dig his head in the sand.

An absolutely shocking PM who will be remembered for bullshit and corruption.

Even if he came out today and announced harsh restrictions it wouldn’t surprise me if he if the country stuck two fingers up at him, this is his doing.

Many in the country will stick two fingers up as is is all bullshit. 

I read this morning that unvaccinated deaths are now not those who refused the jabs

 

Edited 21 December, 2021 by AlexLaw76

[Weston Super Saint]

The Welsh are banning spectators from all sporting events from Boxing Day to control the spread.  Covid passports have been mandatory in Wales for a while now and were introduced to control the spread.  Logically they must have concluded that covid passports simply don't work if they've had to take additional measures....

[East Kent Saint]

18 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

The Welsh are banning spectators from all sporting events from Boxing Day to control the spread.  Covid passports have been mandatory in Wales for a while now and were introduced to control the spread.  Logically they must have concluded that covid passports simply don't work if they've had to take additional measures....

Even a Sage member was saying this morning that having 3 jabs is good for that person but does not prevent them getting covid or more importantly giving it to someone else . Passport in itself seem a bit pointless unless it was mainly to get younger people jabbed up.

[egg]

26 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

Even a Sage member was saying this morning that having 3 jabs is good for that person but does not prevent them getting covid or more importantly giving it to someone else . Passport in itself seem a bit pointless unless it was mainly to get younger people jabbed up.

Yep. This "have the jab to protect others" is nonsense. My jabs help me, and if they stop me being hospitalised, they help the NHS. They don't help anyone else though as I can still pass covid on. The only thing I can do to help others is pop a mask on and do regular LF tests, a covid passport doesn't help anyone. 

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 

Many in the country will stick two fingers up as is is all bullshit. 

I read this morning that unvaccinated deaths are now not those who refused the jabs

 

I guess the vaccines take while to take effect so you are not fully vaccinated until some  time after your second jab. Makes sense.

[Turkish]

4 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

It’s clear nothing will be announced until after Christmas.

This is purely political for Boris and not about the people.

Doesn’t want to lose support by cancelling Christmas, but also the inevitable delay will push everything back further and allow cases to rise.

He’s doomed whatever he does, and it’s tragic and somehow hilarious to watch him dig his head in the sand.

An absolutely shocking PM who will be remembered for bullshit and corruption.

Even if he came out today and announced harsh restrictions it wouldn’t surprise me if he if the country stuck two fingers up at him, this is his doing.

I was quite supportive of the government when this first happened and thought a lot of the stick they were getting was unfair given this was a situation no one expected and had never been seen before in a lifetime. They were getting slaughtered whatever they did and it seemed like many were loving it so they could use any excuse to have a go at the tories. However the longer it goes on the more you realise what a bunch of bumbling, lying, incompetent clowns him and all his cronies in government are. 

Edited 21 December, 2021 by Turkish

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 

Many in the country will stick two fingers up as is is all bullshit. 

I read this morning that unvaccinated deaths are now not those who refused the jabs

 

they will change this soon to day you're only fully vaccinated 21 days after your third jab.

[Matthew Le God]

34 minutes ago, Turkish said:

they will change this soon to day you're only fully vaccinated 21 days after your third jab.

Sounds logical. Do you think otherwise?

[AlexLaw76]

20 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Sounds logical. Do you think otherwise?

it is suggesting that 2 jabs now offer nothing.  Almost as if you have had nothing.  That is not accurate.

[Matthew Le God]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

it is suggesting that 2 jabs now offer nothing.  Almost as if you have had nothing.  That is not accurate.

It does not do that at all. I'm puzzled how you have drawn that bizarre conclusion. There are now 3 vaccinations for Covid, the word 'fully' means to have 100% of them and for some time to have passed in order for them to be effective in your immune system. So by definition you can't be 'fully vaccinated' by only having 66% of them. That does not mean having only the first and second dose offers no protection.

Edited 21 December, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[AlexLaw76]

5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

It does not do that at all. I'm puzzled how you have drawn that bizarre conclusion. There are now 3 vaccinations for Covid, the word 'fully' means to have 100% of them and for some time to have passed in order for them to be effective in your immune system. So by definition you can't be 'fully vaccinated' by only having 66% of them. That does not mean having only the first and second dose offers no protection.

not being fully vax'd is different from being un-vax'd

Edited 21 December, 2021 by AlexLaw76

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Fully vax'd is different from un-vax'd

I don't disagree. But how is that relevant to anything I said in my post? 🤔

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

I don't disagree. But how is that relevant to anything I said in my post? 🤔

you post does not offer anything to the language of the definition of being un-vax'd

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

It does not do that at all. I'm puzzled how you have drawn that bizarre conclusion. There are now 3 vaccinations for Covid, the word 'fully' means to have 100% of them and for some time to have passed in order for them to be effective in your immune system. So by definition you can't be 'fully vaccinated' by only having 66% of them. That does not mean having only the first and second dose offers no protection.

Even when you are 'fully vaxed' you still aren't fully vaxed as you only have around 80% or so of protection (which coincidentally is the figure that was given once you'd had two jabs back in the summer!).

Factually, you can never be 'fully vaxed'.

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

It does not do that at all. I'm puzzled how you have drawn that bizarre conclusion. There are now 3 vaccinations for Covid, the word 'fully' means to have 100% of them and for some time to have passed in order for them to be effective in your immune system. So by definition you can't be 'fully vaccinated' by only having 66% of them. That does not mean having only the first and second dose offers no protection.

67%

[whelk]

15 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Even when you are 'fully vaxed' you still aren't fully vaxed as you only have around 80% or so of protection (which coincidentally is the figure that was given once you'd had two jabs back in the summer!).

Factually, you can never be 'fully vaxed'.

Yes you can. It is not the same as immunity

[aintforever]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

not being fully vax'd is different from being un-vax'd

They obviously want people to be jabbed with two doses before they classify them as vaccinated - what's the big deal?

[saint1977]

19 hours ago, whelk said:

I know this important to you and don’t disagree but most of the anti vax protesters seem like your sort of people.

It’s both an issue of vaccine hesitancy with diverse communities, white populism and having reliable information https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthinequalities/bulletins/coronavirusandvaccinationratesinpeopleaged70yearsandoverbysociodemographiccharacteristicengland/8december2020to12april2021

https://theconversation.com/financial-insecurity-and-right-wing-beliefs-drive-covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-among-albertans-170162
 

The latter example is Alberta in Canada as the US is too polarised an example to draw but people well to the right politically (UKIP etc, and far right of Conservative party, not the mainstream or One Nation eg Baker, Redwood, Bridgen, Frost) are far more vulnerable to misinformation. For a UK example https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-linked-brexit-voting-patterns-886803 and more on populism here https://www.qmul.ac.uk/hub/global-health-hub/populism-and-vaccines/

Some of the most diverse seats and wards are Labour, some Tory ex-Red Wall which ties in with the article below. Some historical stuff there, some of it true, some distorted but again, online agitation driving it. There are some practical adaptions happening with NHS at present around oxygen monitors etc and adjusting reading of cells which hopefully will increase trust. 

The departure from mainstream more prosperous Tory areas and vaccine take up can be seen here, which is starkly different to the US https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/tory-constituencies-have-higher-vaccination-rates-irrespective/

The other and very significant less vaccinated group are pregnant women https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/29/pregnant-women-vaccinated-covid-mother-child

The issue here has been poor health communication aggregated by misinformation. Now that belatedly pregnant women are in the priority groups this should start to bring up numbers. Reassurance for those considering starting a family in the near to medium future https://nottsccg.nhs.uk/covid-19/covid-19-vaccinations/groups-being-vaccinated/vaccination-and-pregnancy/

Edited 21 December, 2021 by saint1977

[Weston Super Saint]

56 minutes ago, whelk said:

Yes you can. It is not the same as immunity

So that's it?  3 jabs and you're fully vaxed?  Defintely no more 'boosters' next summer / autumn / winter?

[egg]

MLG must be getting a little twinge from all the pedantry on display here. 

[whelk]

35 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

So that's it?  3 jabs and you're fully vaxed?  Defintely no more 'boosters' next summer / autumn / winter?

Fully as in 3 out of the 3 vaccines on offer. 

[whelk]

15 minutes ago, egg said:

MLG must be getting a little twinge from all the pedantry on display here. 

Tbf 66% rounding error was a shocker that needed highlighting

 

[Mystic Force]

I think the problem here is that we need to adjust our mindset from how many times you have been stabbed in the arm, but how recently was the last time you were. IF you have had 2 shots and the second one was a couple weeks ago, you are probably as well protected as you are likely to be at that moment. If you have has 3 but the last time was 6 months ago you are probably not as protected as would be desirable.

I think as with most of the pandemic, as our knowledge increases by careful study we have to adjust what we do to maximize our outcome.

[egg]

13 minutes ago, whelk said:

Tbf 66% rounding error was a shocker that needed highlighting

 

It was, although I'm surprised that he hasn't retorted with 66.6666667% 

[Matthew Le God]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

67%

 

24 minutes ago, whelk said:

Tbf 66% rounding error was a shocker that needed highlighting

You are wrong. The 6 is recurring, so it is requires the vinculum symbol and not rounding to 67%. 😉😇

[Whitey Grandad]

9 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

You are wrong. The 6 is recurring, so it is requires the vinculum symbol and not rounding to 67%. 😉😇

What's wrong with 2/3 ?

[egg]

41 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

What's wrong with 2/3 ?

This is a premium forum mate, percentages only. Fractions are so ugly inside. 

[Turkish]

14 minutes ago, egg said:

This is a premium forum mate, percentages only. Fractions are so ugly inside. 

It's often said on there Nick still lives in the 80s 😉

[Whitey Grandad]

18 minutes ago, egg said:

This is a premium forum mate, percentages only. Fractions are so ugly inside. 

But a percentage is a fraction !

Besides, 2/3 might be vulgar but it's not unattractive 

[whelk]

29 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

You are wrong. The 6 is recurring, so it is requires the vinculum symbol and not rounding to 67%. 😉😇

6 is above 5 so needs rounding up if you are not showing decimal point. Basics!

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, egg said:

It was, although I'm surprised that he hasn't retorted with 66.6666667% 

For the purist a percentage should never have more than two significant figures.

[Lighthouse]

Toto, I don’t think this thread is in Kansas any more. 🤔

[beatlesaint]

As Scotland is going more or less down the empty stadium route - 500 for Rangers v Celtic (hardly worth it) - I’m sure the bumbling buffoon that is Boris won’t be far behind announcing similar. He’s always a few days behind Sturgeon.

[JRM]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Fully as in 3 out of the 3 vaccines on offer. 

Tony Blair wants you to have number 4 soon so we can get ahead of the next variant. Keep 'em coming 

[Turkish]

90k cases today, lower than yesterdays and thursday, 2,500 more than fridays. Still not doubling every day.

[hackedoff]

11 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

It’s clear nothing will be announced until after Christmas.

This is purely political for Boris and not about the people.

Doesn’t want to lose support by cancelling Christmas, but also the inevitable delay will push everything back further and allow cases to rise.

He’s doomed whatever he does, and it’s tragic and somehow hilarious to watch him dig his head in the sand.

An absolutely shocking PM who will be remembered for bullshit and corruption.

Even if he came out today and announced harsh restrictions it wouldn’t surprise me if he if the country stuck two fingers up at him, this is his doing.

Corbyn would have been even more of a disaster. This is what happens when there is no credible alternative.

[whelk]

57 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Toto, I don’t think this thread is in Kansas any more. 🤔

There seems two threads now. Don’t know which one to impart my wisdom in

[Whitey Grandad]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

90k cases today, lower than yesterdays and thursday, 2,500 more than fridays. Still not doubling every day.

The schools broke up last week so that must make a difference of some sort.