COVID and Football (Merged)

[Lord Duckhunter]

42 minutes ago, aintforever said:

agree it’s nothing like a fat middle aged man not being vaccinated though which is just dumb and selfish.

It’s more likely to be a member of the BAME community, but you couldn’t possibly write that. 

Edited 19 December, 2021 by Lord Duckhunter

[Weston Super Saint]

5 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

15m jabs to freedom....this was after the oh so successful 2020 lockdown to save Xmas.

125m jabs later............

Good news though, appears we have no flu again this year. Imagine that

Strange isn't it..

Covid deaths are reported as covid no matter what the actual cause of death was if someone tested positive up to 28 days before they died (this includes all those who caught covid whilst they were already dying in hospital which is a not insignificant number!).

Flu deaths, on the other hand follow this criteria for reporting :

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"Due to" refers only to deaths where influenza and pneumonia was recorded as the underlying cause of death and "involving" referring to deaths that had influenza and pneumonia mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, whether as an underlying cause or not.

Saucy Source

[JRM]

15 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Strange isn't it..

Covid deaths are reported as covid no matter what the actual cause of death was if someone tested positive up to 28 days before they died (this includes all those who caught covid whilst they were already dying in hospital which is a not insignificant number!).

Flu deaths, on the other hand follow this criteria for reporting :

Saucy Source

I've been saying this for nearly two years as have personal experience of someone being recorded as covid when terminally ill with something else. A real eye opener that leads you to question everything. 

[adrian lord]

https://data.spectator.co.uk/category/national

 

Very interesting graphs.

[whelk]

Fuck calling off games because these twats won’t get vaccinated.

 

 

[egg]

1 hour ago, JRM said:

I've been saying this for nearly two years as have personal experience of someone being recorded as covid when terminally ill with something else. A real eye opener that leads you to question everything. 

Why "question everything" when someone who is dying gets covid, and the covid then accelerates their death? People are looking for conspiracies that don’t exist. 

[JRM]

56 minutes ago, whelk said:

Fuck calling off games because these twats won’t get vaccinated.

 

 

Problem you've got is clubs refuse to be liable for any side effects, neither are the manufacturers, so who wants to put their money where their mouth is and offer compensation to any players who suffer side effects? 

[JRM]

24 minutes ago, egg said:

Why "question everything" when someone who is dying gets covid, and the covid then accelerates their death? People are looking for conspiracies that don’t exist. 

Nope, they've inflated covid death numbers vastly by using the died with covid rather than died of covid, plays a huge part in the manipulation. 

[egg]

2 minutes ago, JRM said:

Nope, they've inflated covid death numbers vastly by using the died with covid rather than died of covid, plays a huge part in the manipulation. 

Disagree. There's no manipulation. My dad is dying. If he gets covid he won't survive. If the cause of death is shown as covid, that won't be inaccurate as he wouldn't have died at that time of it were not for the covid. 

[egg]

5 minutes ago, JRM said:

Problem you've got is clubs refuse to be liable for any side effects, neither are the manufacturers, so who wants to put their money where their mouth is and offer compensation to any players who suffer side effects? 

That pre supposes that side effects is the issue for not vaccinating. For most is some of principle, arguing against state control and similar bollox. 

[Toadhall Saint]

10 minutes ago, JRM said:

Nope, they've inflated covid death numbers vastly by using the died with covid rather than died of covid, plays a huge part in the manipulation. 

I suggest you ask the question of the ONS under the freedom of information act.

[Toadhall Saint]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Fuck calling off games because these twats won’t get vaccinated.

 

 

I’ve probably missed it but I thought the “rule” was that if you couldn’t fulfil the fixture then you forfeited the game?

[East Kent Saint]

4 hours ago, Turkish said:

Anyone know the numbers of flu deaths and infections so far this winter?

Much reduced than usual as most people are taking precautions to avoid covid and therefore avoid flu, colds as well.

[East Kent Saint]

22 hours ago, JRM said:

Just to confirm the only party who has a policy to reject vaccine passports won the first election after they were passed. That's a fact. Thanks for posting a load of waffle though. 

Lib Dems support PR voting so was it a vote for PR ? Twat . Nobody before after or during the byelection has mentioned Vac passports , not the Lib Dems , not the political media people , not the people who voted when interviewed after the result no one except you .......

[East Kent Saint]

36 minutes ago, JRM said:

Nope, they've inflated covid death numbers vastly by using the died with covid rather than died of covid, plays a huge part in the manipulation. 

Why would they do that ? There has to be some measure but I know what ever that measure is you will post a denial/conspiricy theory but to what end ??

[Turkish]

14 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

Much reduced than usual as most people are taking precautions to avoid covid and therefore avoid flu, colds as well.

What are the actual numbers?

[JRM]

8 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

Lib Dems support PR voting so was it a vote for PR ? Twat . Nobody before after or during the byelection has mentioned Vac passports , not the Lib Dems , not the political media people , not the people who voted when interviewed after the result no one except you .......

"Twat" 

It's always a shame when someone struggles to articulate themselves so resorts to insults. 

I presented you with a fact not an opinion. Lib Dems official policy is against vaccine passports. First election since vaccine passports were introduced they won the seat with both Conservative and Labour parties seeing a drop in their share of the vote. Fact. 

[Matthew Le God]

@Turkish For what reason would you like the numbers? (not that I have them)

If they were high... what would you say?

If they were low... what would you say?

If they were at normal levels... what would you say?

Edited 19 December, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[RedArmy]

27 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

@Turkish For what reason would you like the numbers? (not that I have them)

If they were high... what would you say?

If they were low... what would you say?

If they were at normal levels... what would you say?

What are “normal levels”? 

[Matthew Le God]

3 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

What are “normal levels”? 

Around 25,000 to 30,000 since widespread flu vaccinations in the year 2000.

Edited 19 December, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[Tamesaint]

36 minutes ago, JRM said:

"Twat" 

It's always a shame when someone struggles to articulate themselves so resorts to insults. 

I presented you with a fact not an opinion. Lib Dems official policy is against vaccine passports. First election since vaccine passports were introduced they won the seat with both Conservative and Labour parties seeing a drop in their share of the vote. Fact. 

The Lib Dems are also the only party to oppose Brexit.

It is amazing how, following your logic, a Leave voting area such as North Shropshire gave such a big V sign to Brexit. 

[teamsaint]

6 hours ago, whelk said:

All the stats are here on hospitalisations https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk

what they never show on there is % that are not vaccinated. 

Figures for cases  , hospitalisations, and deaths with covid ( not of) are available in the weekly vaccine surveillance report. They are broken down by age group and vaxx status. You might have to do a bit of addition to get overall totals, but recently they have bee. Showing  about 65% of emergency admissions vaxxed, and about 75%  of deaths among double vaxxed.

see tables 8, 9 and 10.

Obviously  there is interpretation to be done as well, some of which is controversial, but the data is useful information in any case.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1041593/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-50.pdf

 

 

 

 

 

[East Kent Saint]

1 hour ago, JRM said:

"Twat" 

It's always a shame when someone struggles to articulate themselves so resorts to insults. 

I presented you with a fact not an opinion. Lib Dems official policy is against vaccine passports. First election since vaccine passports were introduced they won the seat with both Conservative and Labour parties seeing a drop in their share of the vote. Fact. 

But not relevant in any way so an irrelevant ‘fact’ (apologies for language )

[East Kent Saint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

What are the actual numbers?

Who knows , I suspect they are too busy fighting the pandemic . It was said last winter that flu numbers were much reduced due to precautions but I haven’t seen any figures or expect to.

[Turkish]

82k infections today, third day of decline in a row. Thought it was meant to be doubling every other day?

[Billy the Kidd]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

82k infections today, third day of decline in a row. Thought it was meant to be doubling every other day?

I’m not totally disagreeing with you, but thought they said Omicron would double every day. Think the figures are roughly doubling, or close to it.

I’m assuming this means come a few more days we will be over £100k of proven, tested Omicron. Apparently.

[JRM]

1 hour ago, Tamesaint said:

The Lib Dems are also the only party to oppose Brexit.

It is amazing how, following your logic, a Leave voting area such as North Shropshire gave such a big V sign to Brexit. 

Lol Brexit was a while ago, vaccine passports were that week but who knows, don't go round saying that you'll get some remainers excited 

[Noodles34]

11 minutes ago, Turkish said:

82k infections today, third day of decline in a row. Thought it was meant to be doubling every other day?

So the figures are coming down? Right, confused now as I thought it was ‘out of control’. 
 

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

I’m not totally disagreeing with you, but thought they said Omicron would double every day. Think the figures are roughly doubling, or close to it.

I’m assuming this means come a few more days we will be over £100k of proven, tested Omicron. Apparently.

12k omicron today, 10k yesterday apparently https://www.itv.com/news/2021-12-19/12000-new-omicron-cases-reported-in-uk-as-record-number-of-booster-jabs-given

UK first detected a case on the 27th November we seem to be rather a long way behind!

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Noodles34 said:

So the figures are coming down? Right, confused now as I thought it was ‘out of control’. 
 

Coming down and not doubling although they’ve stuck in the caveat that “experts believe real numbers to be much higher” 🤣🤣

[Billy the Kidd]

Just now, Turkish said:

12k omicron today, 10k yesterday apparently https://www.itv.com/news/2021-12-19/12000-new-omicron-cases-reported-in-uk-as-record-number-of-booster-jabs-given

UK first detected a case on the 27th November we seem to be rather a long way behind!

So, according to official figures, it is seemingly not doubling every couple of days then!

Any other news on how severe they believe the variant is. As in, our version of the South African variant may be much stronger than the same variant in South Africa?

[Lighthouse]

It’s the weekend, reporting is always a bit behind.

Last Sunday we had 49,00 cases

The day before we had 54,000

The day before we had 58,000

It was the same the weekend before that, and the weekend before that. But whatever, crack on.

[Noodles34]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Coming down and not doubling although they’ve stuck in the caveat that “experts believe real numbers to be much higher” 🤣🤣

Right, so they need to make some up for tomorrow then otherwise they’re going to look like they don’t know what the fuck they are talking about, again. 

[Billy the Kidd]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It’s the weekend, reporting is always a bit behind.

Last Sunday we had 49,00 cases

The day before we had 54,000

The day before we had 58,000

It was the same the weekend before that, and the weekend before that. But whatever, crack on.

No one is saying cases are not going up, well I am not at least. 

i think the ref was about the cases not doubling every couple of days - and your figures for last Sunday and what was quoted today, have doubled in around 7 days. But whatever, crack on.

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It’s the weekend, reporting is always a bit behind.

Last Sunday we had 49,00 cases

The day before we had 54,000

The day before we had 58,000

It was the same the weekend before that, and the weekend before that. But whatever, crack on.

Don’t worry, I’m sure there will be some more omicron infections tomorrow 

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, Billy the Kidd said:

No one is saying cases are not going up, well I am not at least. 

i think the ref was about the cases not doubling every couple of days - and your figures for last Sunday and what was quoted today, have doubled in around 7 days. But whatever, crack on.

Someone is saying they’ve dropped three days in a row, as if that’s proof of something. It isn’t. They aren’t doubling right now, which is obviously good news, but they are up 67% on last Sunday, which is less good.

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Someone is saying they’ve dropped three days in a row, as if that’s proof of something. It isn’t. They aren’t doubling right now, which is obviously good news, but they are up 67% on last Sunday, which is less good.

If there are only 37k recorded omicron cases in the country in total which is what they are reporting then then the 67% growth isn’t that is it

[Billy the Kidd]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Someone is saying they’ve dropped three days in a row, as if that’s proof of something. It isn’t. They aren’t doubling right now, which is obviously good news, but they are up 67% on last Sunday, which is less good.

Look, I’m agreeing with you cases are going up, just pointing out they aren’t doubling.

If we had Omicron, or Delta, cases this winter would be rising.

If Omicron is not as deadly as Delta, maybe it isn’t so bad for it to be coming the dominant variant, in theory, as long as hospitals can cope.

Put it another way, if I were vulnerable (and to a point we all could be, but some more than others), then i would take it upon myself to shield as best I could, until the peak has passed.

[Billy the Kidd]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

If there are only 37k recorded omicron cases in the country in total which is what they are reporting then then the 67% growth isn’t that is it

And wouldn’t the doubling every other day actually put a growth rate in the 000’s of %, in that we start with 10 cases, and in 2 weeks of doubling every 2 days it would be way north of what has been recorded.

The other thing I dont get, is we have always known we have more virus in the community opposed to what is actually recorded in a test. Why are the Gov and scientists making such a huge deal of it now?

[Lighthouse]

I can’t be arsed arguing over this. Dropping three days in a row is proof of very little, it’s a weekend. Apparently I’m the one too terrified to leave my own home, which is weird because I’m not the one on here continuously posting over and over and over again about the worst case scenarios thrown up by prediction modelling. 

[adrian lord]

No fan of Kay Burley but credit where credit is due this cross examination of Gillian Keegan Health Minister is exquisite:

 

https://youtu.be/ed0FelDrPwQ

[AlexLaw76]

18 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I can’t be arsed arguing over this. Dropping three days in a row is proof of very little, it’s a weekend. Apparently I’m the one too terrified to leave my own home, which is weird because I’m not the one on here continuously posting over and over and over again about the worst case scenarios thrown up by prediction modelling. 

Well, the presser last Monday said cases will probably double every day or so.

They are not, no where near. We know the modelling is purposely weighted on the extreme pessimistic side.

Javid and co were actually suggesting 1m cases per day is coming very soon and we have 200k cases of the varient.....notice that claim has been dropped 

 

Edited 19 December, 2021 by AlexLaw76

[aintforever]

16 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Well, the presser last Monday said cases will probably double every day or so.

They are not, no where near. We know the modelling is purposely weighted on the extreme pessimistic side.

Javid and co were actually suggesting 1m cases per day is coming very soon and we have 200k cases of the varient.....notice that claim has been dropped 

 

If the restrictions and vaccine roll out are working it makes sense that we are nowhere near the worst case scenario. Governments always use scare tactics in public health massaging, I’m not sure why you are wetting your pants over it.

[Streaky]

4 hours ago, egg said:

Disagree. There's no manipulation. My dad is dying. If he gets covid he won't survive. If the cause of death is shown as covid, that won't be inaccurate as he wouldn't have died at that time of it were not for the covid. 

My mum died of cancer last year, her death certificate said cause of death coronavirus. As they weren't doing autopsies then. No idea if they are now. 

[AlexLaw76]

41 minutes ago, aintforever said:

If the restrictions and vaccine roll out are working it makes sense that we are nowhere near the worst case scenario. Governments always use scare tactics in public health massaging, I’m not sure why you are wetting your pants over it.

how are they working now when we have been consistently told it takes 3 weeks for the 'lag' to catch up?

These scare tactics are driving lockdown.  Thousands upon thousands will be severely impacted because of it.  Loss of work, mental health, death.  As we use 'scare tactics' here is one, 5k missed cancer diagnosis per day in a lockdown.  

Edited 19 December, 2021 by AlexLaw76

[aintforever]

29 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

how are they working now when we have been consistently told it takes 3 weeks for the 'lag' to catch up?

These scare tactics are driving lockdown.  Thousands upon thousands will be severely impacted because of it.  Loss of work, mental health, death.  As we use 'scare tactics' here is one, 5k missed cancer diagnosis per day in a lockdown.  

It’s a balancing act though isn’t it, if we didn’t lock down and the NHS gets complete overwhelmed with Covid patients even more cancer treatments will get effected. It’s a complex situation, SAGE will be more than aware of the negative effects of lockdown.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

If the restrictions and vaccine roll out are working it makes sense that we are nowhere near the worst case scenario. Governments always use scare tactics in public health massaging, I’m not sure why you are wetting your pants over it.

Yes, but what about the 'potential' you were mentioning yesterday, where does that sit at the moment?

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Well, the presser last Monday said cases will probably double every day or so.

They are not, no where near. We know the modelling is purposely weighted on the extreme pessimistic side.

Javid and co were actually suggesting 1m cases per day is coming very soon and we have 200k cases of the varient.....notice that claim has been dropped 

 

2 million cases was mentioned this morning!

It's gonna need to start doubling pretty soon to reach that magnificent figure - and when it does it'll only be a month and a bit before every single person in the country has tested positive.  I'm not sure the testing service could cope with that, let alone the NHS 

[aintforever]

12 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Yes, but what about the 'potential' you were mentioning yesterday, where does that sit at the moment?

Do you not know how to use Google?

[Weston Super Saint]

7 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Do you not know how to use Google?

It was rhetorical.