COVID and Football (Merged)

[Turkish]

Just now, RedArmy said:

The government. Who have put more effort into lining their own pockets than increasing NHS capacity to sufficiently deal with a new threat. 

Yes interesting isn’t it that despite the constant demands to protect the NHS from those above us none of their plans include increasing capacity. If we’re set for for all these deaths and hospitalisations why aren’t they spinning up nightingale hospitals again?

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, RedArmy said:

The government. Who have put more effort into lining their own pockets than increasing NHS capacity to sufficiently deal with a new threat. 

Excellent politic satire but not an answer. Who would you deny treatment to in that situation.

[S-Clarke]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

If anyone still wants to carry on the name calling, crack on.

As for the actual topic; I’ve still yet to hear what people would actually do in this situation. I couldn’t give two sh*ts about sage models, obese people and loft insulation. What do we actually want the government and population to do? Bearing in mind we’ve already tried the my body - my choice approach where everyone can get the jab if they want to and if you don’t, it’s fine no bother. What should we be doing from now on?

Just to take you up on your question - I want the government to be truthful and provide all of the information in it's true form, not manipulated and angled towards fear.

To me they are playing the fear game. They are portraying the data in certain ways to make it look worse than it is, they are wording their statements to make it sound worse than it is. I'm not denying it's happening, I'm not denying it's there. But there needs to be clarification and more balance in order for everyone to see both sides - that's all I ask for.

People in hospital - with covid or because of COVID? clear definition required there.

People who have died - with COVID or because of COVID? clear definition required there.

The definitions of those two points above per the current government guidelines are nonsense and are positioned to make it look worse than it actually is. ''Within 28 days''.

I'd like them to investigate these cardiac issues which seem more frequent. I'm not saying they're due to the vaccination, but it needs either ruling in or out.

I'd like them to explain why they have stopped the '15 min' sit down after your jab? I know of a particular vaccination centre which had to introduce the 'in and out' policy, and it has so far lead to two people fainting in the car park. The staff don't agree with it, but they are mandated to no longer give people that 15 min window. Why? Is this about wellbeing, or is it a numbers game?

[RedArmy]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

Excellent politic satire but not an answer. Who would you deny treatment to in that situation.

It’s a very loaded question. Tell me the lifestyle choices of the other people taking up bed space and I’ll let you know. 

[Billy the Kidd]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

What if, after we’ve treated all the vaccinated patients who are clinically vulnerable and all the outpatient care for other conditions, we physically don’t have enough doctors, nurses and ward space available to treat unvaccinated patients? Who gets bumped then?

Not sure I understand the logic of your Q or how it relates to what I said.

Why wouldn’t they treat the vaccinated and unvaccinated at the same time? That would be the logical and humane course of action to take.

You seem to distinguish between who is more deserving of treatment.

Lets hope the doctors don’t have to make such calls, and that you aren’t the one giving orders!

 

[RedArmy]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Excellent politic satire but not an answer. Who would you deny treatment to in that situation.

In fact I’ll fire the question back at you. 
 

Theres 3 beds spare in ICU but there’s 4 patients who need a bed. 
 

Patient 1 - An alcoholic who drove back from the pub and crashed into a family of 4 killing them instantly. They’re in a bad way and need to be put in a coma. 
Patient 2 - A smoker of 40 years, smokes 60 a day and has had a stroke. 
Patient 3 - A big fatty, cholesterol levels through the roof, their clogged arteries have finally caved and they’ve had a cardiac arrest 

Patient 4 - An unvaccinated covid patient. 
 

Who misses out? 

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

It’s a very loaded question. Tell me the lifestyle choices of the other people taking up bed space and I’ll let you know. 

So, in all honesty, would you chose who doesn’t get treatment based on whether they smoke and have good loft insulation, not who is vaccinated?

4 minutes ago, Billy the Kidd said:

Not sure I understand the logic of your Q or how it relates to what I said.

Why wouldn’t they treat the vaccinated and unvaccinated at the same time? That would be the logical and humane course of action to take.

You seem to distinguish between who is more deserving of treatment.

Lets hope the doctors don’t have to make such calls, and that you aren’t the one giving orders!

 

The logic of the question is that if we end up in a scenario whereby there are more patients than we are able to treat, somebody will have to make that call. Hoping that doctors don’t have to make such calls might not be good enough.

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

In fact I’ll fire the question back at you. 
 

Theres 3 beds spare in ICU but there’s 4 patients who need a bed. 
 

Patient 1 - An alcoholic who drove back from the pub and crashed into a family of 4 killing them instantly. They’re in a bad way and need to be put in a coma. 
Patient 2 - A smoker of 40 years, smokes 60 a day and has had a stroke. 
Patient 3 - A big fatty, cholesterol levels through the roof, their clogged arteries have finally caved and they’ve had a cardiac arrest 

Patient 4 - An unvaccinated covid patient. 
 

Who misses out? 

Patient 4. As much disdain as I would have for the other three, they all have chronic lifestyle issues which they need to change. Your point is valid, the others are a huge drain on the NHS but only one of them refused to take a 15 minute free vaccine which would almost certainly have kept him out of hospital. There is no vaccination which would have cursed obesity, alcoholism and nicotine addiction.

[RedArmy]

[Lighthouse]

16 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Just to take you up on your question - I want the government to be truthful and provide all of the information in it's true form, not manipulated and angled towards fear.

To me they are playing the fear game. They are portraying the data in certain ways to make it look worse than it is, they are wording their statements to make it sound worse than it is. I'm not denying it's happening, I'm not denying it's there. But there needs to be clarification and more balance in order for everyone to see both sides - that's all I ask for.

People in hospital - with covid or because of COVID? clear definition required there.

People who have died - with COVID or because of COVID? clear definition required there.

The definitions of those two points above per the current government guidelines are nonsense and are positioned to make it look worse than it actually is. ''Within 28 days''.

I'd like them to investigate these cardiac issues which seem more frequent. I'm not saying they're due to the vaccination, but it needs either ruling in or out.

I'd like them to explain why they have stopped the '15 min' sit down after your jab? I know of a particular vaccination centre which had to introduce the 'in and out' policy, and it has so far lead to two people fainting in the car park. The staff don't agree with it, but they are mandated to no longer give people that 15 min window. Why? Is this about wellbeing, or is it a numbers game?

I’m with you on all of that but it’s all information based, rather than any action which can be implemented. It’d great to know exactly how many died ‘with’ or ‘of’ Covid, how many were vaccinated, what demographic, underlying health issues etc. but really it doesn’t change anything. It’s just good to know.

I’m sure anyone who is treated for cardiac issues has their covid AND vaccination status checked and this information is forwarded up the chain. As of right now, I can only assume there’s nothing particularly to report. We don’t even know whether these people at football games were vaccinated or had any kind of cardiac event at all. 

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

I’m with you on all of that but it’s all information based, rather than any action which can be implemented. It’d great to know exactly how many died ‘with’ or ‘of’ Covid, how many were vaccinated, what demographic, underlying health issues etc. but really it doesn’t change anything. It’s just good to know.

I’m sure anyone who is treated for cardiac issues has their covid AND vaccination status checked and this information is forwarded up the chain. As of right now, I can only assume there’s nothing particularly to report. We don’t even know whether these people at football games were vaccinated or had any kind of cardiac event at all. 

I actually have some first hand experience on the last point. I was treated for cardiac issues after my first jab. I raised the point many a time that I'd had my AZ 12 hrs prior to being in there.

It wasn't acknowledged, just a passing glance or  an 'oh ok'. That's not good enough really. It seems like they automatically saw me as some sort of antivaxxer, which is odd because I'd just had the jab. In my experience they weren't interested in linking it or even putting anything up the chain, and It's probably not beyond the realms to believe that has happened quite a lot.

I just don't like the re-working of the rules to suit the numbers game. 6 month gap between jabs, within weeks they've decided a 3 month gap is fine. No 15 min wait, who decided that? It seems to be going more towards numbers ''getting jabs in the arms' than the actual wellbeing of the person, that's how I see it going anyway. I work in the NHS so I see a lot of this first hand. I see a lot of staff and nurses in tears because of the mandates they have to follow. Patient safety is no longer priority, it's all about the numbers and the medical professionals are also noticing that.

[Billy the Kidd]

25 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

So, in all honesty, would you chose who doesn’t get treatment based on whether they smoke and have good loft insulation, not who is vaccinated?

The logic of the question is that if we end up in a scenario whereby there are more patients than we are able to treat, somebody will have to make that call. Hoping that doctors don’t have to make such calls might not be good enough.

I dont really understand how this related to what I said.

I believe everyone deserves the same access to treatment.

I also said about vaccines for young children (which right now I personally wouldn’t do).

We are currently getting under 1k people admitted to hospital.

It could get worse, much worse, stay the same, or improve.

I’d imagine lots of other bed space is opened up, which opens a further debate on how it affects others/wider community.

 

I’m not even saying what is going on is the wrong thing, ive said I dont know, and that right now we could err ont he side of caution.

[Hawkswood]

38 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Just to take you up on your question - I want the government to be truthful and provide all of the information in it's true form, not manipulated and angled towards fear.

To me they are playing the fear game. They are portraying the data in certain ways to make it look worse than it is, they are wording their statements to make it sound worse than it is. I'm not denying it's happening, I'm not denying it's there. But there needs to be clarification and more balance in order for everyone to see both sides - that's all I ask for.

People in hospital - with covid or because of COVID? clear definition required there.

People who have died - with COVID or because of COVID? clear definition required there.

The definitions of those two points above per the current government guidelines are nonsense and are positioned to make it look worse than it actually is. ''Within 28 days''.

I'd like them to investigate these cardiac issues which seem more frequent. I'm not saying they're due to the vaccination, but it needs either ruling in or out.

I'd like them to explain why they have stopped the '15 min' sit down after your jab? I know of a particular vaccination centre which had to introduce the 'in and out' policy, and it has so far lead to two people fainting in the car park. The staff don't agree with it, but they are mandated to no longer give people that 15 min window. Why? Is this about wellbeing, or is it a numbers game?

Just fwiw on your last point,  I had my booster on monday and I was given a 15 minute sit down. Everyone was. Just saying  👍

[John D]

48 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yes interesting isn’t it that despite the constant demands to protect the NHS from those above us none of their plans include increasing capacity. If we’re set for for all these deaths and hospitalisations why aren’t they spinning up nightingale hospitals again?

Because there is no one to staff them.

[whelk]

 

[CB Fry]

I went to the Theatre in Nottingham tonight and absolutely no Covid checks on the door or anywhere.

Which for a dystopian "papers please" police state just-like-Nazi-Germany which we apparently are now, it seemed a bit lax. 

 

[whelk]

12 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I went to the Theatre in Nottingham tonight and absolutely no Covid checks on the door or anywhere.

Which for a dystopian "papers please" police state just-like-Nazi-Germany which we apparently are now, it seemed a bit lax. 

 

Shame our police didn’t abuse their state powers by hooking and beating that utter cunt Piers Corbyn today. Takes something to be the biggest cunt called Piers

Edited 18 December, 2021 by whelk

[aintforever]

41 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I went to the Theatre in Nottingham tonight and absolutely no Covid checks on the door or anywhere.

Which for a dystopian "papers please" police state just-like-Nazi-Germany which we apparently are now, it seemed a bit lax. 

 

Exactly. These bell-ends like to bang on about Nazi Germany but you have to wonder how pussies like this would have coped during the blitz, probably moan about how having to put up black-out curtains infringed their human rights. How hard is it just to put a mask on for a few minutes or show a qr code at the door of an event?

Edited 18 December, 2021 by aintforever

[JRM]

46 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I went to the Theatre in Nottingham tonight and absolutely no Covid checks on the door or anywhere.

Which for a dystopian "papers please" police state just-like-Nazi-Germany which we apparently are now, it seemed a bit lax. 

 

If capacity is under a certain number they don't need to check passports at the moment 

[Turkish]

200,000 cases a day. Hang on a sec she heard this number before….

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/18/uk-covid-cases-could-hit-200000-a-day-says-neil-ferguson-scientist-behind-lockdown-strategy-england
 

Turns out once again it’s nonsense what a surprise. You can come out from Behind the sofa now

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/17/sajid-javids-200000-daily-omicron-cases-claim-no-longer-valid/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10323043/amp/Covid-cases-NOT-doubling-two-days.html

Edited 19 December, 2021 by Turkish

[AlexLaw76]

8 hours ago, Turkish said:

200,000 cases a day. Hang on a sec she heard this number before….

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/18/uk-covid-cases-could-hit-200000-a-day-says-neil-ferguson-scientist-behind-lockdown-strategy-england
 

Turns out once again it’s nonsense what a surprise. You can come out from Behind the sofa now

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/17/sajid-javids-200000-daily-omicron-cases-claim-no-longer-valid/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10323043/amp/Covid-cases-NOT-doubling-two-days.html

15m jabs to freedom....this was after the oh so successful 2020 lockdown to save Xmas.

125m jabs later............

Good news though, appears we have no flu again this year. Imagine that

Edited 19 December, 2021 by AlexLaw76

[benjii]

11 hours ago, CB Fry said:

I went to the Theatre in Nottingham tonight and absolutely no Covid checks on the door or anywhere.

Which for a dystopian "papers please" police state just-like-Nazi-Germany which we apparently are now, it seemed a bit lax. 

 

It's incredibly lax. It beggars belief that indoor events with no proper proof of current Covid status and no mask requirement continue to go ahead in a country with an infection rate as high as the UK. But then we are fast becoming entrenched as a joke country led by morons appealing to morons, so perhaps not that surprising.

[wild-saint]

12 hours ago, RedArmy said:

In fact I’ll fire the question back at you. 
 

Theres 3 beds spare in ICU but there’s 4 patients who need a bed. 
 

Patient 1 - An alcoholic who drove back from the pub and crashed into a family of 4 killing them instantly. They’re in a bad way and need to be put in a coma. 
Patient 2 - A smoker of 40 years, smokes 60 a day and has had a stroke. 
Patient 3 - A big fatty, cholesterol levels through the roof, their clogged arteries have finally caved and they’ve had a cardiac arrest 

Patient 4 - An unvaccinated covid patient. 
 

Who misses out? 

First come first serve. When people start dying the public may start to vote for parties that actually solve problems rather than match their ideals.

[adrian lord]

My 20 year old daughter at university. Double vaxxed. 

Has a mild cough and feels off colour, and has yesterday tested positive for the second time, having had Covid and tested positive in the autumn-winter 2020 wave. 

I'll leave it to you to draw your own conclusions. 

 

[saint1977]

2 minutes ago, adrian lord said:

My 20 year old daughter at university. Double vaxxed. 

Has a mild cough and feels off colour, and has yesterday tested positive for the second time, having had Covid and tested positive in the autumn-winter 2020 wave. 

I'll leave it to you to draw your own conclusions. 

 

If she wasn’t double jabbed then she’d have a much higher risk of being hospitalised as some of my friends and family have been. That’s the most likely conclusion although it doesn’t fit your agenda. Wishing her well and hope she feels better soon which she has better chance of doing than if she was unvaccinated. The ICU down the road is packed with them as this area has a lower national rate if vaccines, people with other serious emergencies queuing in ambulances to get in.

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, saint1977 said:

If she wasn’t double jabbed then she’d have a much higher risk of being hospitalised as some of my friends and family have been. That’s the most likely conclusion although it doesn’t fit your agenda. Wishing her well and hope she feels better soon which she has better chance of doing than if she was unvaccinated. The ICU down the road is packed with them as this area has a lower national rate if vaccines, people with other serious emergencies queuing in ambulances to get in.

Why does anyone whose comments are not with the popular narrative “have an agenda”? 
 

Equally it could be said you have an agenda as you’re assuming she’d be much more likely to have far worsen symptoms without a vaccine when in reality universities were rife with covid this time last year with the vast majority still only having mild symptoms. But that doesn’t fit your agenda does it

Edited 19 December, 2021 by Turkish

[S-Clarke]

12 hours ago, Hawkswood said:

Just fwiw on your last point,  I had my booster on monday and I was given a 15 minute sit down. Everyone was. Just saying  👍

It's something that is phasing in, but not everywhere yet. There is definitely a mandate pushed centrally to scrap that wait time so they can get as many numbers through as they want, maybe some centres are a little stronger and are resisting it. I hope that's is the case.

Edited 19 December, 2021 by S-Clarke

[adrian lord]

5 minutes ago, saint1977 said:

If she wasn’t double jabbed then she’d have a much higher risk of being hospitalised as some of my friends and family have been. That’s the most likely conclusion although it doesn’t fit your agenda. Wishing her well and hope she feels better soon which she has better chance of doing than if she was unvaccinated. The ICU down the road is packed with them as this area has a lower national rate if vaccines, people with other serious emergencies queuing in ambulances to get in.

 

I 100% guarantee that were she not vaccinated she would not be hospitalised let alone in ITU. Her symptoms would be the same. Her first C19 illness was pre-vaccination and she brushed that off like a bad cold. C19 simply doesn't cause serious illness in the young unless they have major underlying health problems. 

The vaccines are great at reducing serious illness in the elderly and vulnerable. I am quad vaxxed (C19 x3  + flu) and no anti-vaxxer.

So what is my agenda, pal?

 

[saint1977]

53 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Why does anyone whose comments are not with the popular narrative “have an agenda”? 
 

Equally it could be said you have an agenda as you’re assuming she’d be much more likely to have far worsen symptoms without a vaccine when in reality universities were rife with covid this time last year with the vast majority still only having mild symptoms. But that doesn’t fit your agenda does it

Well, let’s hope they are minor then. My position is that I’ve lost people and seen others taking more than a year to recover from COVID - some yet to - pre vaccines - and yet to encounter serious illness since vaccines. Not saying there aren’t isolated instances of vaccine reactions, S Clarke on here had one, but the figures globally demonstrate you are better off with them (yes, I know you have had them as well). The key point is that the vaccines don’t stop transmission, especially without the booster (75% reduction in early trials) but reduce hospitalisation so that cancer and heart patients get the treatment they need when they need it. Many posters on this thread seem to equate vaccination and getting covid with lack of vaccine efficacy. Not true and myth that needs clearing up.

Adrian - 100% guarantee eh? Show us your virology credentials. Vaccines do not stop COVID transmission but REDUCE the risk of serious illness that stops the NHS functioning for all types of emergencies. Your agenda was clear yesterday when you were talking about people ‘loving the restrictions’. Don’t be so silly, I’ve had to miss the funerals of family and close friends through the lockdowns. Many others on here are the same. I long for going to a beer beer festival without LFTs and QR codes for example but that is where we are at present.

Turkish - have used my posts up but yes, I would like to see hospitalisations more prominent in the data given to the wider public. Thank you Whelk for sharing the link.

Edited 19 December, 2021 by saint1977

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, saint1977 said:

Well, let’s hope they are minor then. My position is that I’ve lost people and seen others taking more than a year to recover from COVID - some yet to - pre vaccines - and yet to encounter serious illness since vaccines. Not saying there aren’t isolated instances of vaccine reactions, S Clarke on here had one, but the figures globally demonstrate you are better off with them (yes, I know you have had them as well). The key point is that the vaccines don’t stop transmission, especially without the booster (75% reduction in early trials) but reduce hospitalisation so that cancer and heart patients get the treatment they need when they need it. Many posters on this thread seem to equate vaccination and getting covid with lack of vaccine efficacy. Not true and myth that needs clearing up.

Where do you think that myth perpetuates from? Could it be that all we hear about are daily infection rates, both in positive tests and in future modelling? Why do we never hear about hospitalisations or serious illness so we can draw a conclusion as to the efficacy of the vaccinations? Surely these are the figures that matter

[The Kraken]

12 hours ago, Hawkswood said:

Just fwiw on your last point,  I had my booster on monday and I was given a 15 minute sit down. Everyone was. Just saying  👍

I had mine yesterday and the nurse who gave me the shot said I didn’t need the 15 minutes and they weren’t recommending it, just said maybe if you’re driving to give it a few minutes before you get behind the wheel.

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Where do you think that myth perpetuates from? Could it be that all we hear about are daily infection rates, both in positive tests and in future modelling? Why do we never hear about hospitalisations or serious illness so we can draw a conclusion as to the efficacy of the vaccinations? Surely these are the figures that matter

All the stats are here on hospitalisations https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk

what they never show on there is % that are not vaccinated. 

[whelk]

1 minute ago, The Kraken said:

I had mine yesterday and the nurse who gave me the shot said I didn’t need the 15 minutes and they weren’t recommending it, just said maybe if you’re driving to give it a few minutes before you get behind the wheel.

They should use that 15 minutes when after the 2nd jab to give the booster

[The Kraken]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Where do you think that myth perpetuates from? Could it be that all we hear about are daily infection rates, both in positive tests and in future modelling? Why do we never hear about hospitalisations or serious illness so we can draw a conclusion as to the efficacy of the vaccinations? Surely these are the figures that matter

I must admit, I do find it a little strange that we don’t often get a percentage of people in hospital who are/aren’t vaccinated. Chris Whitty included it in a brief recently but imo it should be a regular stat.

[whelk]

12 hours ago, whelk said:

Shame our police didn’t abuse their state powers by hooking and beating that utter cunt Piers Corbyn today. Takes something to be the biggest cunt called Piers

 It is not as good as a beating but something https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/19/piers-corbyn-arrested-on-suspicion-of-calling-for-mps-offices-to-be-burned-down?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1639910734

Edited 19 December, 2021 by whelk

[AlexLaw76]

47 minutes ago, saint1977 said:

If she wasn’t double jabbed then she’d have a much higher risk of being hospitalised as some of my friends and family have been. That’s the most likely conclusion although it doesn’t fit your agenda. Wishing her well and hope she feels better soon which she has better chance of doing than if she was unvaccinated. The ICU down the road is packed with them as this area has a lower national rate if vaccines, people with other serious emergencies queuing in ambulances to get in

Without the insane level if testing, she would have a cold/flu...which interestingly, no longer exists

[AlexLaw76]

21 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Where do you think that myth perpetuates from? Could it be that all we hear about are daily infection rates, both in positive tests and in future modelling? Why do we never hear about hospitalisations or serious illness so we can draw a conclusion as to the efficacy of the vaccinations? Surely these are the figures that matter

The language being used is very specific. All about the rate of infection and little else. This is whilst deaths etc are miniscule, and as we "wait for the data"..

The modelling from SAGE (that people are crapping themselves over) is a product that is specifically requested by the powers of the land. Incredible.

 

 

[adrian lord]

41 minutes ago, saint1977 said:

 

Adrian -  Show us your virology credentials. 

 

Since you are asking, you show me yours, and I'll show you mine. Via PM. 

[aintforever]

52 minutes ago, adrian lord said:

 

I 100% guarantee that were she not vaccinated she would not be hospitalised let alone in ITU. Her symptoms would be the same. Her first C19 illness was pre-vaccination and she brushed that off like a bad cold. C19 simply doesn't cause serious illness in the young unless they have major underlying health problems. 

The vaccines are great at reducing serious illness in the elderly and vulnerable. I am quad vaxxed (C19 x3  + flu) and no anti-vaxxer.

So what is my agenda, pal?

 

Some young people get serious illness, I guess it’s pot luck.

[RedArmy]

29 minutes ago, whelk said:

All the stats are here on hospitalisations https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk

what they never show on there is % that are not vaccinated. 

They also never show how many were actually there FOR covid. 
 

[RedArmy]

1 minute ago, aintforever said:

Some young people get serious illness, I guess it’s pot luck.

It’s not pot luck. It’s usually the fatties. 

[aintforever]

1 minute ago, RedArmy said:

It’s not pot luck. It’s usually the fatties. 

True, some young people are fat though.

[RedArmy]

Just now, aintforever said:

True, some young people are fat though.

They’ve had nearly 2 years to lose weight. Nobody to blame but themselves. 

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Some young people get serious illness, I guess it’s pot luck.

Some people get hit by cars, should we have winter driving bans because accidents are more likely in bad weather?

[Turkish]

38 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Without the insane level if testing, she would have a cold/flu...which interestingly, no longer exists

 

[Turkish]

Anyone know the numbers of flu deaths and infections so far this winter?

[AlexLaw76]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Anyone know the numbers of flu deaths and infections so far this winter?

One thing is for sure, despite the annual spike in respiratory issues around Jan (as every year), we will not get a real comparison against previous annual Flu statistics.

Instead, the media/Labour/SNP and other lunatics will be demanding more lockdowns and injections.

 

 

 

 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

One thing is for sure, despite the annual spike in respiratory issues around Jan (as every year), we will not get a real comparison against previous annual Flu statistics.

Instead, the media/Labour/SNP and other lunatics will be demanding more lockdowns and injections.

 

 

 

 

Three or four years ago they were talking about an additional 50,000 deaths due to a high flu infection year. Why weren’t they talking about Lockdown then?

[aintforever]

34 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

They’ve had nearly 2 years to lose weight. Nobody to blame but themselves. 

True, but if Adrian’s daughter was overweight and died of COVID it would be no less tragic than if she were not.

Youngsters getting vaccinated is a different issue to those more at risk but it still makes sense to help minimise spread IMO, agree it’s nothing like a fat middle aged man not being vaccinated though which is just dumb and selfish.

[RedArmy]

16 minutes ago, aintforever said:

True, but if Adrian’s daughter was overweight and died of COVID it would be no less tragic than if she were not.

Youngsters getting vaccinated is a different issue to those more at risk but it still makes sense to help minimise spread IMO, agree it’s nothing like a fat middle aged man not being vaccinated though which is just dumb and selfish.

It depends what you class as middle aged really.