Baird of the land Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 1 hour ago, Saint_clark said: I assume you mean Caballero, and I understand that. I'm not disappointed with his signing - he's a quality keeper, although it remains to be seen how he has aged - I just dont see the reasoning behind not using Lewis when he's not a youngster nor is he completely lacking in experience. If we aren't willing to give him games now for a few weeks, a month or two at most, we are never intending on him being in the first team. Yes we do not intend him ever being in the first team if we can help it. It shouldn't be that hard to fathom, it's hardly a new thing in the prem in terms of the job description of a third choice goalie. Just because he's 23 rather than 37 doesn't change the fact he's taken such a gig, probably because it pays better than any other option he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 3 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: Yes we do not intend him ever being in the first team if we can help it. It shouldn't be that hard to fathom, it's hardly a new thing in the prem in terms of the job description of a third choice goalie. Just because he's 23 rather than 37 doesn't change the fact he's taken such a gig, probably because it pays better than any other option he had. If we have no intention of ever playing him then he's not third choice is he, our third choice keeper is actually *miscellaneous free agent*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Corbyn Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 One big upside, he can have a song to the tune of Canyonero from The Simpsons: 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 1 minute ago, Jeremy Corbyn said: One big upside, he can have a song to the tune of Canyonero from The Simpsons: surely Paninaro by the Pet Shop Boys 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 1 minute ago, DT said: surely Paninaro by the Pet Shop Boys Great shout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Saint_clark said: Well then why bother having a third choice keeper at all? 2 hours ago, Saint_clark said: If we have no intention of ever playing him then he's not third choice is he, our third choice keeper is actually *miscellaneous free agent*. The signing a free transfer option was only triggered by 1st and 2nd choice being injured. We needed a 3rd choice keeper on the bench on Saturday. Edited 6 December, 2021 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloggy saint Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 Getting flashbacks to Shilton lumbering around at 40, a training cone would have been more mobile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 Just now, Saint_clark said: If we have no intention of ever playing him then he's not third choice is he, our third choice keeper is actually *miscellaneous free agent*. Call the position whatever you want. He's there on matchday as a cheap extra redundancy like on Saturday. You don't have to drag the young prospect away from the B team to most likely not even warm the bench. He's not there because we think never playing and sitting on a bench will develop him as a footballer. To quote Stuart Taylor on his time at saints, "nobody promised me anything. I know my role." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: The emergency loan option was only triggered by 1st and 2nd choice being injured. We needed a 3rd choice keeper on the bench on Saturday. In this case we are not signing an emergency loan? As a free agent we could have signed him anyway without the injuries? The rumour that we are after Johnston from WBA in Jan with Forster to go there on loan for rest of the season will be interesting to see if that happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Left Back Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 I've always liked Caballero when I've seen him play. A good keeper, solid professional, calm and, importantly for the way we play, good with his feet. Obviously we don't know how fit he's stayed or whether age has caught him up, but as things stand it's probably as good as we could have wished for. It was a freak set of circumstances that lead us here, but it may end up being a really good short term signing. I'm not as down on our first two keepers as much as some on here, but even I can see this might actually be a short term upgrade. It will be interesting to see if Lewis is given a chance on Saturday or whether Willy will be straight in (it's the name that just keeps giving). Either way I expect him to be a stabilising and positive presence in the squad. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 Clearly a decent player with decent pedigree, it's more whether he's fit enough and capable enough, but he's a no lose signing really. I would expect one of Forster or Macca will be back by the time the transfer window opens, or if not, we can get someone else then. He is decent with his feet though, and was picked ahead of Hart at Cityfor a while becuase of his strength in that area. It's worth a punt for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 27 minutes ago, cloggy saint said: Getting flashbacks to Shilton lumbering around at 40, a training cone would have been more mobile. The goal at 0:10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 13 hours ago, saint lard said: So…Willys going to fill the hole. 😳 Pathetic. How old are you? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 For those particularly interested in such things, I did a very quick stats analysis comparing him to our current two keepers. If you aren't interested in stats, look away now! This is for people who are. Save % comparison Here is their respective save % over the last 12 seasons: Note this only includes top flight seasons, and that Pre 2015 Fraser was in Scotland and Willy was in Spain. You can see from this a steady decline in Forsters form, from being the best of the three pre 2016 to being the worst until 2019. Following this he had a brief resurgence in an easier scottish league and again after coming back, putting him ahead of McCarthy. Willy has been pretty consistently middlish throughout his career, until his final year where numbers plummeted but worth noting he only played 180 mins in that year so maybe take with a massive pinch of salt. McCarthy has been universally pretty average xG prevented comparison Here is the xG prevented (how many goals they conceded vs how many they would expect to concede) for each in the last 5 seasons, data only available for prem minutes. Again, not much data and pinches of salt all round Willy seemed to be the best and pretty consistent until 2020/21 which is likely an erroneous season given his small number of minutes. Macca did well the season before last but that seems to be an anomaly in his career. Forster hasn't really been good since 2016 and xG data is only available as of 2017, which doesn't benefit him. Forster had almost the same xG prevented as Macca last year, it's hard to see as there is no line as he didn't play in the prem the season before or after, but you can see the dot Final takeaways Willy seems to have been consistently the best since 2016/17 when Forster really dropped off formwise. He had a bad year in 20/21 but only played 180 mins so hard to judge too accurately. Macca is poor, pre-2017 Forster was much better but nowadays they are much of muchness. Data is a little scarce on all three as neither has consistently held down a starting birth for multiple years since 2017, so take with many pinches of salt All data was harvested from FBRef 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: The emergency loan option was only triggered by 1st and 2nd choice being injured. We needed a 3rd choice keeper on the bench on Saturday. What is this 'emergency loan' thing to which you refer? The PL rulebook for 2021/22 mentions no such thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 3 hours ago, Turkish said: It could be a Caceres/Stephens situation where we believe Harry Lewis is the new Peter Schmicheal so keep an obviously much better more experienced player on the bench to prove it. Remember We don’t buy success we breed it. Yeah, it’s been a while… 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloggy saint Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 The last time I saw Caballero play he was fucking up monumentally at the world cup ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 Harry Lewis is much maligned on here, though the evidence for him being as useless as people think is sketchy at best (the evidence of him being any good likewise). It was thought quite a coup when we signed him from Shrewsbury in 2015, when being compared to Joe Hart was considered a good thing. Had a decent spell at Dundee Utd in the Scot Champ when he was only 20. Trouble is I guess everyone remembers his complete clusterfuck of a game against Arsenal when he was thrown into a very dodgy team by Monsieur Puel (?). Don't know what's happened since he came back from Dundee Utd, but then he was recommended by Dave Watson so perhaps that explains his lack of development. Wouldn't be surprised to see Lewis in goal against Arsenal with Willy on the bench, who knows, especially if Willy is not really up to speed fitness wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 3 hours ago, Saint_clark said: He's now 23 and has played a full season on loan as first choice Dundee United, it's a huge show of no confidence that we're not willing to give him a go. Not necessarily. We need to have two goalkeepers in the matchday squad and definitely one on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris cooper Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 (edited) Dan sheldon @ the athletic is now reporting saints have struck a short term deal with Willy cabellero .. the headline currently on twitter is “release the Willy “ Edited 6 December, 2021 by Chris cooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 19 minutes ago, Chris cooper said: Dan sheldon @ the athletic is now reporting saints have struck a short term deal with Willy cabellero .. the headline currently on twitter is “release the Willy “ just in time to face the Arse. etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris cooper Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 Just now, DT said: just in time to face the Arse. etc etc He definitely could fill the hole 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 Bet a pen is awarded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 It would be our luck if Caballero was either injured or sent off during this game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, adriansfc said: As a 40 year old I'm very uncomfortable with people making out we're barely able to move. Me, Zlatan and Willy still have a lot to offer. I'm also 40 and definitely well past my prime! Edited 6 December, 2021 by Ex Lion Tamer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 5 hours ago, Jeremy Corbyn said: One big upside, he can have a song to the tune of Canyonero from The Simpsons: "Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts, Canyonerooooo" 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 1 hour ago, adriansfc said: As a 40 year old I'm very uncomfortable with people making out we're barely able to move. Me, Zlatan and Willy still have a lot to offer. I didn't know you knew Zlatan that personally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 It’s quite possible Caballero will let in a load of goals and make McCarthy look good 😊 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 https://www.southamptonfc.com/news/2021-12-06/announcement-southampton-signing-willy-caballero Confirmed. What exactly “is” a short term deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 3 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: https://www.southamptonfc.com/news/2021-12-06/announcement-southampton-signing-willy-caballero Confirmed. What exactly “is” a short term deal? 1 month according to Adam Blackmore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 3 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: What exactly “is” a short term deal? Until 5th January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: The signing a free transfer option was only triggered by 1st and 2nd choice being injured. We needed a 3rd choice keeper on the bench on Saturday. Nice edit there 🤣 I guess calling it an emergency loan option was a typo…. Edited 6 December, 2021 by The Kraken 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 A very smart piece of business to get a quality keeper in Caballero in on a short term deal. Welcome onboard Willy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 Old Willies are more experienced in and around the box. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 I look forward to seeing Willy in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 I hope he gives the side some decent penetration when needed. Most importantly he’s as solid as a rock when it really matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 Willy has a good head on him and will stand up well in hairy situations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 Just now, hackedoff said: Willy has a good head on him and will stand up well in hairy situations. He’s got a proper set of balls on him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 Ali Dia also only got a 1 month contract. Welcome aboard - not expecting much in truth but he comes with a decent career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 I’m sure Willy will come good. Im positive seamen will be present for the game against Arsenal,both had good hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 Our last Man City reject goalkeeper didn’t do well ….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 Is this the first Willy we’ve had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 3 minutes ago, Turkish said: Is this the first Willy we’ve had? His name is Wilfredo, not had someone with that name at Saints before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 Can’t wait to see the Willy - Smallbone link up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 6 minutes ago, Uncle Albert said: Can’t wait to see the Willy - Smallbone link up. Take a bow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 Wonder whether he'll get a game at the weekend? Probably a case of will he or won't he. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said: His name is Wilfredo, not had someone with that name at Saints before. You said emergency loan earlier. Is he one one those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAH61 Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 Could be an extended Willy if he is impressive. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 6 December, 2021 Share Posted 6 December, 2021 A free Willy? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 7 December, 2021 Share Posted 7 December, 2021 I wonder if he thinks about signing for another English club, "enough with the fucking willy jokes, whats wrong with you people?" And on giving Lewis a few tips : "Willy drills young understudy as Saints look to shore up the back" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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