The Left Back Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 I've started a new thread on this (my first) rather than carry it on under the McCarthy and Lewis threads. My understanding is that if both McCarthy and Forster are injured we can sign a keeper because Lewis hasn't made enough appearances. Am I out of date with this? For the many on here who don't rate any of our keepers here's the chance to get some fresh blood in. Not the ideal scenario I know but if the footballing gods are conspiring to offer us our own mini-window, who would you bring in? I guess the market is loans from other clubs or short-term signings from out of contract players.
badgerx16 Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 (edited) The rule says that all the registered keepers must be injured, certified by an independant practitioner, or unavailable due to international call up. Assuming Lewis is registerd he needs to contract CoViD pretty quick. Edited 4 December, 2021 by badgerx16
The Kraken Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 Is it a requirement to have a registered keeper on the bench? If so, we may have a lifeline?
badgerx16 Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 (edited) Just looked up the rules. ( Always helps ). As posted in the OP, an emergency loan should be feasible, under Rule 57, due to Lewis' lack of first team games, but in reality who would be available ? https://www.efl.com/contentassets/b3cd34c726c341ca9636610aa4503172/regulations-season-2021-22-final.pdf Edited 4 December, 2021 by badgerx16
The Cat Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 On 04/12/2021 at 19:51, badgerx16 said: Just looked up the rules. ( Always helps ). As posted in the OP, an emergency loan should be feasible, under Rule 57, due to Lewis' lack of first team games, but in reality who would be available ? https://www.efl.com/contentassets/b3cd34c726c341ca9636610aa4503172/regulations-season-2021-22-final.pdf Expand Can we loan Heaton from Man Utd? He's sat around doing nothing. What's Karius doing at Liverpool? There's a load of 3rd keepers lurking around who could come in for a few weeks as long as their club are happy for them to go off somewhere and get some games. 1 1
Baird of the land Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 Assume it would have to be free agents, looking at transfermarket at UK keepers that's a very poor bunch (The likes of Ben Alnwick/Lee Camp). Might as well just give Bycroft or Lewis the gametime.
The Kraken Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 On 04/12/2021 at 20:01, Baird of the land said: Assume it would have to be free agents, looking at transfermarket at UK keepers that's a very poor bunch (The likes of Ben Alnwick/Lee Camp). Might as well just give Bycroft or Lewis the gametime. Expand As above, emergency loan seems a perfectly fine option. 1
stevy777_x Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 On 04/12/2021 at 20:01, Baird of the land said: Assume it would have to be free agents, looking at transfermarket at UK keepers that's a very poor bunch (The likes of Ben Alnwick/Lee Camp). Might as well just give Bycroft or Lewis the gametime. Expand Again Why concentrate on uk goalkeepers?
Appy Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 Emergency loan you’re probably looking at Heaton or Randolph. 1
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 Can anyone think of any examples of emergency loans in this league and who the teams managed to get in?
Appy Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 On 04/12/2021 at 20:24, Ex Lion Tamer said: Can anyone think of any examples of emergency loans in this league and who the teams managed to get in? Expand Only ones I can think of are us loaning Kasey Keller or Liverpool loaning Paul Jones off us.
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 On 04/12/2021 at 20:25, Appy said: Only ones I can think of are us loaning Kasey Keller or Liverpool loaning Paul Jones off us. Expand Thanks. Decent enough options then
Saint_lambden Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 On 04/12/2021 at 20:23, Appy said: Emergency loan you’re probably looking at Heaton or Randolph. Expand Or Carson I guess if we’re including third choice keepers from across the Prem.
EBS1980 Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 Get Heaton for a month then go get Johnstone in January window 1
Manuel Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 (edited) Who can remember which outfield player ended up in goal, possibly away at Newcastle about 2008? Give or take 3 years? edit: Dexter Blackstock? Edited 4 December, 2021 by Manuel
CB Fry Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 On 04/12/2021 at 19:51, badgerx16 said: Just looked up the rules. ( Always helps ). As posted in the OP, an emergency loan should be feasible, under Rule 57, due to Lewis' lack of first team games, but in reality who would be available ? https://www.efl.com/contentassets/b3cd34c726c341ca9636610aa4503172/regulations-season-2021-22-final.pdf Expand But these are the rules for the Football League, not the Premier League. So maybe slightly different.
VectisSaint Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 Find it unlikely that Forster would not be available, even Macca will probably be OK, for a keeper its not really that bad an injury (though he may be suffering more from the kick in the balls that Ralph gave him). Anyway what is the point of employing a keeper and then not playing him when the situation arises. Mad. We also have 3 goalkeeper coaches, get Sparkes kitted up to sit on the bench (please not SKD). 1 1
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 Hamstrings are normally 6 to 8 weeks, aren’t they?
Appy Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 On 04/12/2021 at 21:00, VectisSaint said: Find it unlikely that Forster would not be available, even Macca will probably be OK, for a keeper its not really that bad an injury (though he may be suffering more from the kick in the balls that Ralph gave him). Anyway what is the point of employing a keeper and then not playing him when the situation arises. Mad. We also have 3 goalkeeper coaches, get Sparkes kitted up to sit on the bench (please not SKD). Expand “Not that bad an injury” Lyanco was taking bloody goal kicks.
badgerx16 Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 On 04/12/2021 at 20:57, CB Fry said: But these are the rules for the Football League, not the Premier League. So maybe slightly different. Expand AFAIK the PL use the same rules, as they are dictated by UEFA/FIFA.
HarvSFC Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 The one time we need Stuart Taylor… And he left three years ago, where’s that time gone? Only emergency goalkeeper signings I can remember us making are Keller and Wright. Keller did a job, while Wright was actually decent, albeit at a lower level, but he did play a big part in keeping us up. Man City signed Martin Fulop on an emergency loan as well once, adding to the examples above. Either way, Lewis can’t play against Arsenal. His last game for us was against Arsenal’s second string, where he conceded 5 - A Walcott hat trick and Welbeck double. He can’t play against the real Arsenal. Looking at the list of free agents, a 40 year old Caballero is probably the best option, unfortunately. And looking at the Premier League squads, the third choices are quite dire. Heaton being the best name, but he hasn’t played a league game for near two years now.
Appy Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 On 04/12/2021 at 22:16, Master Bates said: Kelvin Davis can do it. Expand At least he’d keep up the consistency of our keepers letting goals in at the near post. 2
Saint Garrett Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 Alex Cook reporting that we’re looking into Willy Cabarello. Probably no chance then…
Appy Posted 4 December, 2021 Posted 4 December, 2021 On 04/12/2021 at 23:10, Saint Garrett said: Alex Cook reporting that we’re looking into Willy Cabarello. Probably no chance then… Expand He’ll probably be announced with Ings and Bertrand’s new deals. 1 3
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 Talking of emergency loan keepers, what's Kasey Keller doing these days? I imagine he's enjoying his retirement from playing but probably still a better bet than Macca... 😂
HnycS Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 On 05/12/2021 at 00:14, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said: Talking of emergency loan keepers, what's Kasey Keller doing these days? I imagine he's enjoying his retirement from playing but probably still a better bet than Macca... 😂 Expand FYI Kasey Keller is a pundit on us TV, but then again so are Shaka Hislop and Tim Howard so maybe some relevant options?
Fan The Flames Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 On 04/12/2021 at 20:25, Appy said: Only ones I can think of are us loaning Kasey Keller or Liverpool loaning Paul Jones off us. Expand Get in the hole
aintforever Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 Would be great if we can get an emergency signing, might be a turning point of the season if we actually have a decent keeper.
saintscottofthenortham Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 Some state of affairs when you're genuinely thinking an emergency loan option is likely to improve your chances. 2
TWar Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 On 05/12/2021 at 09:01, saintscottofthenortham said: Some state of affairs when you're genuinely thinking an emergency loan option is likely to improve your chances. Expand McCarthy has cost us probably 8 points in the last 4 games alone. He is a liability, what can you do? 1
Give it to Ron Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 willy caballero Is a free agent if we have to go that route as apparently it’s not in this years Prem rule book about emergency loans. Heaton would be great
JRM Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 On 04/12/2021 at 19:59, The Cat said: Can we loan Heaton from Man Utd? He's sat around doing nothing. What's Karius doing at Liverpool? There's a load of 3rd keepers lurking around who could come in for a few weeks as long as their club are happy for them to go off somewhere and get some games. Expand I've just seen Kasey Keller going into Staplewood
JRM Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 On 04/12/2021 at 21:31, bangkoksaint said: Tommy Fourpast is available 😂😂 Expand He's still living locally as well, perfect. 1
alehouseboys Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 On 05/12/2021 at 09:12, Give it to Ron said: willy caballero Is a free agent if we have to go that route as apparently it’s not in this years Prem rule book about emergency loans. Expand If that happened you'd know it would just end up being another Martín Cáceres type situation, pay him £100k a week to sit on the bench and be an understudy to Harry Lewis.
Dusic Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 Why is Harry Lewis, aged 23 even at the club if they need to sign another goalkeeper so he doesn't have to play on the only occassion he is actually required? He should have been let go years ago. 1
VectisSaint Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 (edited) On 04/12/2021 at 21:08, Appy said: “Not that bad an injury” Lyanco was taking bloody goal kicks. Expand Defenders used to regularly take goal kicks, its not the most important part of a goalkeeper's play, and if it protects an injury it is fine. If Lyanco taking goal kicks showed he was seriously injured why did Ralph say he didn't know how bad the injury was? BUT, sounds like his injury is worse than it sounded when I made the comment last night. Edited 5 December, 2021 by VectisSaint
S-Clarke Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 (edited) On 05/12/2021 at 10:29, Dusic said: Why is Harry Lewis, aged 23 even at the club if they need to sign another goalkeeper so he doesn't have to play on the only occassion he is actually required? He should have been let go years ago. Expand He's of a similar story to Isgrove, Hesketh etc. The club keep them around for years longer than they should, but they never make it as has been obvious from day 1. Edited 5 December, 2021 by S-Clarke
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 On 05/12/2021 at 10:31, VectisSaint said: Defenders used to regularly take goal kicks, its not the most important part of a goalkeeper's play, and if it protects an injury it is fine. If Lyanco taking goal kicks showed he was seriously injured why did Ralph say he didn't know how bad the injury was? BUT, sounds like his injury is worse than it sounded when I made the comment last night. Expand If he is now going to be out for several weeks he should never have stayed on the pitch. How much worse did he make it by insisting on not going off?
Chez Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 On 05/12/2021 at 10:31, VectisSaint said: Defenders used to regularly take goal kicks, its not the most important part of a goalkeeper's play, and if it protects an injury it is fine. If Lyanco taking goal kicks showed he was seriously injured why did Ralph say he didn't know how bad the injury was? BUT, sounds like his injury is worse than it sounded when I made the comment last night. Expand maybe in the days prior to eh pass back rue change, but you can't play a keeper that cant kick ball due to injury these days. No chance. Madness.
Chez Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 On 05/12/2021 at 11:28, Whitey Grandad said: If he is now going to be out for several weeks he should never have stayed on the pitch. How much worse did he make it by insisting on not going off? Expand he didn't really do anything after the injury occurred, so probably not much. Should have been subbed though. 1
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 Are Ralph and Ralf Rangnick on good terms following their time at RB Leipzig? Cheeky call to loan Henderson would be nice...
Turkish Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 On 05/12/2021 at 09:12, Give it to Ron said: willy caballero Is a free agent if we have to go that route as apparently it’s not in this years Prem rule book about emergency loans. Heaton would be great Expand Both better than our current first two choices too 1
Baird of the land Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 On 05/12/2021 at 10:39, S-Clarke said: He's of a similar story to Isgrove, Hesketh etc. The club keep them around for years longer than they should, but they never make it as has been obvious from day 1. Expand I don't really it being the same. Third choice keeper is largely a cheap superfluous position(outside of these rare instances). It's why we had stuart Taylor on the books for several years.
Fatboy40 Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 Wayne Shaw is more our level right now, he must be available?... https://youtu.be/OagvA6UgmJM 1
Appy Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 On 05/12/2021 at 11:45, Baird of the land said: I don't really it being the same. Third choice keeper is largely a cheap superfluous position(outside of these rare instances). It's why we had stuart Taylor on the books for several years. Expand Yeah but Taylor was in his late thirties and was barely even third choice, he’d done the same role at Man City. Lewis is early twenties and his career is going nowhere, there’s a good reason, because he’s terrible.
Baird of the land Posted 5 December, 2021 Posted 5 December, 2021 On 05/12/2021 at 11:57, Appy said: Yeah but Taylor was in his late thirties and was barely even third choice, he’d done the same role at Man City. Lewis is early twenties and his career is going nowhere, there’s a good reason, because he’s terrible. Expand Which is why lewis is also happy filling the same role as Taylor.
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