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On 16/11/2021 at 20:02, alehouseboys said:

Clearly not entirely but the attraction of the bright lights of London rather than the sedate surroundings of the New Forest probably appeals more to young guys with stupid amounts of money to burn, if there's a choice.

Flip it around, we tend to have players that are well grounded and hard working, some exceptionally so over the years 🤷‍♂️ And a lot less negative stories in the media about our players misbehaving.

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Longest thread title ever?  And it's turned into a bit of a meander through the familiar and occasionally the new.  Here's my take on it...

On 16/11/2021 at 18:32, Saint Garrett said:

Yup - I was there at the weekend, it sounds pretty cool, and catching up with the rest of the premier league in places. 

These facilities have moved on so much over the last 10 years, parts of it are out of date now.

Agreed, I think it is a healthy sign that the club is even looking at this.  Staplewood is brilliant but needs updating to stay cutting edge.

On 16/11/2021 at 18:52, SaintsLoyal said:

Still very much in the wrong place and should be located in the winchester M3 corridor.

I agree with this, but have to say it's pretty marginal.  I think we may lose one or two lads to Chelsea/Cobham but don't think it's a big deal in the grand scheme of things

 

On 16/11/2021 at 22:59, notnowcato said:

Or the city of Brighton has a lot more to offer than Southampton. Just saying. 

I'm not sure I buy this.  If you were saying Bristol I'd say that was a fair comparison.  Brighton is a seaside resort so should be compared to Bournemouth.  Southampton is a working port, and so I think Bristol is the template, or Liverpool (which I haven't been to in many years).  Southampton has work to do, but I love it.

14 hours ago, JustinSFC said:

Yes it does.

I'm Southampton born and bred and if I could afford it, I'd take Brighton all day long.

In fact, if it wasn't for the obvious family, friends, work and the same for my girlfriend, I wouldn't stay in Southampton.

It's drab and boring.

Shopping is arguably the worst in the country and people are complete fucking pricks here.

Whoosh with the sweeping generalisations.  I am from here so does that make me a fucking prick?  And does that make you, family, friends and girlfriend one too?  Or are you the exception?  An oasis of decent people in a city of pricks?  I think you need to row back with this, as it doesn't show you in a great light.  It sounds bitter actually; perhaps you should move.  If there are fucking pricks in this city could they be the people who don't take pride in the place or care of it.

As for shopping, it's not a yardstick I'd personally use to compare cities but of the ones I've been to recently I'd say it was better than Norwich, Brighton and Cardiff.  What is causing you to describe it as the worst in the country?

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Have never actually lived in the City, but have been visiting all my life through strong family connections, SFC and socialising. I have been fortunate to travel to and spend time in most major UK cities or big towns.  Most have something to recommend them, some more than others, a few (IMHO) have nothing to recommend them, Southampton has much to recommend it.  The  discussion about the location of the training ground is academic, it is where it is, that the club are committed to maintaining and improving it is all we can ask.  Personally I would take the New Forest over the M3 commuter belt corridor. 

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21 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

None of this is relevant to players deciding clubs. It’ll come down to money, family ties and at a push, the nearest large city. Debating whether Southampton is a better city than Stoke on Trent is inconsequential when the players all just jump in a limo after the game and head off to London or Manchester. I doubt the Costa at Rownhams services has ever been mentioned in any contract negotiations.

Maybe but the Potters Heron became globally known as a setting for important contracts not that long ago.

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4 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Verb or noun?

Or you could just answer the original question. 

I don't come on here to answer questions, just post comments.

If my particular comment about Brightons's culture is not agreeable , then I'am afraid thats's just too bad.

Let's be honest here, any town,s tourist board that promotes a back alley where two characters from a film had a shag is really not at the top of the cultural tree, is it.

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16 minutes ago, hackedoff said:

I don't come on here to answer questions, just post comments.

If my particular comment about Brightons's culture is not agreeable , then I'am afraid thats's just too bad.

Let's be honest here, any town,s tourist board that promotes a back alley where two characters from a film had a shag is really not at the top of the cultural tree, is it.

A famous scene from an iconic film depicting the mod culture of the time.  Let's really be honest here and accept that Southampton's tourist board would equally promote such a thing if it could.  

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41 minutes ago, hackedoff said:

I don't come on here to answer questions, just post comments.

If my particular comment about Brightons's culture is not agreeable , then I'am afraid thats's just too bad.

Let's be honest here, any town,s tourist board that promotes a back alley where two characters from a film had a shag is really not at the top of the cultural tree, is it.

You must be from Yorkshire

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21 hours ago, JustinSFC said:

Yes it does.

I'm Southampton born and bred and if I could afford it, I'd take Brighton all day long.

In fact, if it wasn't for the obvious family, friends, work and the same for my girlfriend, I wouldn't stay in Southampton.

It's drab and boring.

Shopping is arguably the worst in the country and people are complete fucking pricks here.

I think we should have a whip round to help you on your way, now that would make Southampton a better place. One less tosser.

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1 hour ago, Bob76 said:

I think we should have a whip round to help you on your way, now that would make Southampton a better place. One less tosser.

👏 😂

It’s been an hour since you posted that, surprised you haven’t had the forums most angry man on calling you a cunt or similar, as seems to happen at such moments! (Queue me getting told that is specially reserved for me, by said angry man!!!)

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17 hours ago, Paulwantsapint81 said:

Staplewood being where it is gives a great location for the young kids who will hopefully become the stars of tomorrow 

Staplewood is also Markus’ legacy 

 

All the ideas of needing a training campus nearer to London, maybe the club should leave St Mary’s & build a new ground just north of Basingstoke or just outside of Cheshire 

Didn't another south coast club look at relocating to Basingstoke back in the 90's/early 00's? An idea of Mr Venables? 

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24 minutes ago, SalisburySaints said:

Didn't another south coast club look at relocating to Basingstoke back in the 90's/early 00's? An idea of Mr Venables? 

Closer to Scribes for a post training cocktail and lap dancing session to unwind with.

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Unless it's an upgrade on the scouting / coach or staff then why bother. Had very little of this year's ago but produced far more talent than now.

Human knowledge experience and ability is what seems lacking about the place,not state of the art tech.

 

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1 hour ago, hackedoff said:

Unless it's an upgrade on the scouting / coach or staff then why bother. Had very little of this year's ago but produced far more talent than now.

Human knowledge experience and ability is what seems lacking about the place,not state of the art tech.

 

We have to have to fit in an extra full time professional squad in the facilities. 

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19 minutes ago, hackedoff said:

You can enlarge the factory all you like but it doesn't necessarily improve the product.

This analogy makes no sense. Products don't go to a gym to work on their fitness. Players do. Increasing the gym's capacity and facilities will allow a greater level of physio care and fitness training which will therefore lead to improvements in those aspects.

Also, the "factory" I believe you are referring to, is currently supporting two rather decent youth teams for the club.

Why anyone would be complaining about an investment in the clubs training and academy infrastructure i do not know - particularly as it will be used by the Women's team going professional as well. This is a good thing 🧐

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2 hours ago, hackedoff said:

Unless it's an upgrade on the scouting / coach or staff then why bother. Had very little of this year's ago but produced far more talent than now.

Human knowledge experience and ability is what seems lacking about the place,not state of the art tech.

 

I assume you haven't bothered watching the u18s who made it to the national final vs Man City or the u23s who have had a decent season this year? Or the womens team who have won three trophies and recently got promoted to the second tier for the first time? I guess you're the sort of person who left the Inter Milan game pissed off because the sausage roll you had at halftime was half a inch shorter than you were expecting

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S-Clarke.      The Dell and it's associated infrastructure was nothing but sheds but the development of youth  into decent,top level players was far greater than what we are producing now,why is that? Better scouting and coaching staff in those days perhaps?

Saint86       I am not saying that any development in the training facilities is a bad thing,far from it ,but if there is a lack of experience as mentioned above it will not fulfil its potential. 

Tunit.   You are correct in your assumption of not watching the U18 & U23 teams,but compared to pre Staplewood days,how many of these are graduating to acceptable first team regulars compared to when the training facilities were more primitive ? A lot,lot less,again why is that ? Despite it seeming compulsory these days,sorry but I don't have an interest in the women's game,do you see that as a particular problem ? As for the sausage roll analogy,I can only say that I do envy people such as yourself that are content with second best.

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2 minutes ago, hackedoff said:

S-Clarke.      The Dell and it's associated infrastructure was nothing but sheds but the development of youth  into decent,top level players was far greater than what we are producing now,why is that? Better scouting and coaching staff in those days perhaps?

Saint86       I am not saying that any development in the training facilities is a bad thing,far from it ,but if there is a lack of experience as mentioned above it will not fulfil its potential. 

Tunit.   You are correct in your assumption of not watching the U18 & U23 teams,but compared to pre Staplewood days,how many of these are graduating to acceptable first team regulars compared to when the training facilities were more primitive ? A lot,lot less,again why is that ? Despite it seeming compulsory these days,sorry but I don't have an interest in the women's game,do you see that as a particular problem ? As for the sausage roll analogy,I can only say that I do envy people such as yourself that are content with second best.

The quality level required to reach the 1st team of a Premier League team is significantly higher now than when Saints were at The Dell. 

That is not a good reason to not invest in infrastructure in 2022!

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2 hours ago, hackedoff said:

S-Clarke.      The Dell and it's associated infrastructure was nothing but sheds but the development of youth  into decent,top level players was far greater than what we are producing now,why is that? Better scouting and coaching staff in those days perhaps?

 

More competition. You also have to attract better coaches and young players with your facilities. Plus Tunit wasn't asking you to be interested in women's football, so why you had to tell us I don't know, but the fact is he was pointing out that there were other teams to be catered for by the facilities.

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32 minutes ago, djharvey said:

Hmm, whats this building/future football club facility being proposed at the gasworks area?

https://planningpublicaccess.southampton.gov.uk/online-applications/files/CCA69AF5095652E0890B8110EE2772AB/pdf/22_00695_FUL-PART_4.1-1666672.pdf

Scroll to image 4.4.

 

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/20207183.southampton-gas-works-st-marys-demolished-403-new-homes/

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Looks 5-a-side pitch size..

The planning document is not available at the moment but I do hope the flats are better quality than the normal rubbish in this country. Balconies, bike lock ups, decent insulation and  EV charging, but whenever planners try and impose central government dilutes standards. As long as the residents don't end up complaining about traffic on match days!

 

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The apartments look like they’re being done as cheaply as possible. It’s a real shame they’re not doing something to incorporate the gasworks, there’s some lovely buildings built or proposed around the UK that have done it.

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SFC seem to show scant interest in the availability of the sites adjacent the stadium as we saw about a year ago when he aggregates site was up for sale. This suggests either a lack of ambition on the part of the club to develop the facilities at the stadium or recognition that the stadium location is too restrictive because of the associated access and transportation problems and so not ideal for any future enlargement development. 

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14 minutes ago, Monk said:

It'll be a small MUGA/3G for Saints Foundation. 

i thought something like that at first glance but then realised it could be an actual building with what's called a green roof!

Probably just an example of what could potentially be there in the future, but maybe there's already been some discussions on the club developing something there!

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22 minutes ago, djharvey said:

i thought something like that at first glance but then realised it could be an actual building with what's called a green roof!

Probably just an example of what could potentially be there in the future, but maybe there's already been some discussions on the club developing something there!

Whatever it is the "potential tramway" (now there's a vision for the future) cuts right across the corner of it. Unless it goes over or under it.

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the "potential tramway" is actually the same route as the train line ran on the 1871 Ordnance Survey Map, predating the Gas Works.

Would be good to return rail services directly to the stadium.

 

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13 minutes ago, Master Bates said:

What happens if the construction company due to build the new gym go in to admin?

Brymor Construction have indeed filed for administration...oops. I guess Saints will go back to the next bidder, no doubt at more cost.

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On 17/06/2022 at 13:59, Charlie Wayman said:

SFC seem to show scant interest in the availability of the sites adjacent the stadium as we saw about a year ago when he aggregates site was up for sale. This suggests either a lack of ambition on the part of the club to develop the facilities at the stadium or recognition that the stadium location is too restrictive because of the associated access and transportation problems and so not ideal for any future enlargement development. 

Isn't flood risk an issue too?

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1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

It’s possible that any deposits are held in escrow accounts and released as the work progresses.

Works would be valued as they proceed, money would be paid at the agreed rate of the valuation (progress payment) . This is paid retrospectively. For example works complete at the end of May would be paid at whatever terms were agreed, maybe two weeks after the end of month. So in that respect the professional teal looking after Saints should have kept them well covered. The issue for Saints is to have the works completed for the remaining value of the contract, this is a risk, of unknowns, for other contractors who will price that risk accordingly. Then there is als the big fat mess of unpaid subcontractors and suppliers, and in certain circumstances who holds title to goods. Ultimately the biggest losers will be the subcontractors who will have little means of recovering costs, and maybe compelled or incentivised  to complete their works at a loss, rather than getting nothing. 

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24 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

If the club has lost money on this, it raises questions on the viability and suitability of Tim Greenwell, the director of legal and risk. Surely the due diligence should have identified the contractor as a potentially risky option? 

Are you next in line or something 😉

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