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HarvSFC

HarvSFC

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  On 03/11/2021 at 12:08, Dellman said:

Do you realise the window is closed

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Yes, which is why I clearly stated that there wasn’t an active transfer window.

All I’m saying is that there was obviously a lot of media attention given to the Newcastle takeover and how they would soon become a super club. However, so far they have not shown a lot so far despite being in charge for a near month and now Emery has said they lack direction, so it’s relevant. I then used us an example to show what could be done within a month. Sacking an unpopular manager, appointing a new one and signing a handful of players on top of that. Cortese/Liebherr weren’t interested in buying us for 18 months either, where you would expect a plan to be outlined. 
 

 

 

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Singapore Saint

Singapore Saint

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  On 03/11/2021 at 13:12, Saint86 said:

Athletic reporting formally that Emery has said he is staying at Villareal. 

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No worries, Nuno is available, Ancelotti, Solskjaer and Smith will likely soon be, Tim "proper manager" Sherwood always is, Big Sam and Little Sam are, and saggy chops Harry is absolutely gagging for it!

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tajjuk

tajjuk

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Thing is any decent manager is going to be thinking that you are on a hiding to nothing taking the Newcastle job, stay up with the millions you'll get no credit, go down with their cash and you'll be branded the biggest failure.  And going down is a real possibility, they'll have played realistically 21 games until they can get signings in and trained (because they play us away on 2nd Jan, so anyone coming in would literally have to get them in on the 1st Jan), which means even if they get decent signings in and early in Jan, whoever is manager only has 17 games with his new squad, to potentially keep them up. Cos you could easily see them only on about 15 points or something by Jan, especially as they have to play Arsenal, Leicester, Liverpool, Man City, as well as in form Brighton away, Everton away, (and hopefully in form us away). So the games against Norwich, Brentford and Burnley become massive. 

You want the Newcastle job in like 3-4 years, when they have gone through their 'Robinho' phase and have started to mould into top 4 challengers. 

Billy the Kidd

Billy the Kidd

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  On 03/11/2021 at 16:00, adriansfc said:

1. Who cares? The quality when it was mainly English was appalling. 

2. Has there every been so much English footballing talent? The quality of the league and financial power of clubs here has seen academies thrive and there's no a huge number of technically gifted players that used to be incredibly rare. Foden, Mount, Grealish, Sancho, Rashford, Greenwood, Bellingham, Rice and that's before we get to the hundred or so top class right backs there seem to be. 

As for managers, plenty of British ones have had more than their share of chances. I'd say the endless cycle of Hughes/Allardyce/Pardew etc made life far harder for decent coaches who actually want to play football. Potter has done great and I'm sure others will in future too. But if more innovative coaches from from other leagues, who cares?

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Actually your No. 2 here is a very interesting point.

Last night I showed my 11 yo the you tube video of the 1984 Liverpool game we won 2-0. When the teams sheets came up, he couldn’t believe almost all players were English.

I can recall the days when I think it was Chelsea who started with the first ‘all foreign’ 11, and people moaning at the time about the degradation of the English game. I thought it was short sighted then as English players could learn so much from foreign players and managers, and lately this has been so prevalent. It is the same with skills shortages in business, labour markets etc.

Mattster

Mattster

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  On 03/11/2021 at 15:33, Singapore Saint said:

No worries, Nuno is available, Ancelotti, Solskjaer and Smith will likely soon be, Tim "proper manager" Sherwood always is, Big Sam and Little Sam are, and saggy chops Harry is absolutely gagging for it!

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Sounds like it is going to be Eddie Howe!

CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 03/11/2021 at 07:53, CB Fry said:

It's basically Guilleme Balague versus every other football journalist on earth.

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Hats off to an excellent journalist with excellent contacts - he called it when everyone else was saying done deal.

Unai made the right call as well. It's strange when a club owned by gazillionaires is a poisoned chalice but I think it is right now.

 

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Teddeer

Teddeer

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Howe looking favourite now. Doesn't seem a popular choice but this job is currently a poison chalice with the initial brief just to keep them in the Premier league. The bigger names being touted are unlikely to go for that and run the risk of having a relegation on their CV. Howe is reported to have seen a lot of our games so, if it is him, I hope he doesn't come knocking for Salisu in January because they certainly need a decent centre back to steady their defence.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 03/11/2021 at 09:08, St Louis said:

Eh? We were talking about ex-Chelsea managers who took over at Spurs weren't we?

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Yes, sorry, my mistake.

Although to be fair Hoddle going to Spurs not really comparable to the others, which is the current Tottenham taking managers with recent history at Ambramovic's Chelsea. Ken Bates era Chelsea not quite the same, and Hoddle was a Spurs legend.

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 03/11/2021 at 18:16, Teddeer said:

Because a desperate Newcastle would pay big money and offer him a huge wage increase.

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Southampton FC not the centre of the universe. If Newcastle really are going to start splashing huge cash around in January they aren't going to go for Salisu. 

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cloggy saint

cloggy saint

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  On 03/11/2021 at 18:24, CB Fry said:

Southampton FC not the centre of the universe. If Newcastle really are going to start splashing huge cash around in January they aren't going to go for Salisu. 

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This. Everyone here is bigging up Salisu as the next Beckenbauer. He's good for us but I don't envisage any of the big boys/nouveau riche coming for him any time soon.

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Teddeer

Teddeer

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  On 03/11/2021 at 18:24, Matthew Le God said:

What would be the incentive for Saints to sell mid season vs the end of the season?

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Never heard of agents looking to move on players for big money so that they get their slice of the grubby pie? Dangling big money offers is quite the done thing from what I can gather. Gets players unsettled.

Saint86

Saint86

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  On 03/11/2021 at 18:37, cloggy saint said:

This. Everyone here is bigging up Salisu as the next Beckenbauer. He's good for us but I don't envisage any of the big boys/nouveau riche coming for him any time soon.

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Naive. He is a superb cb in the making and so young. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he sees out that contract with saints.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 03/11/2021 at 19:07, Teddeer said:

Never heard of agents looking to move on players for big money so that they get their slice of the grubby pie? Dangling big money offers is quite the done thing from what I can gather. Gets players unsettled.

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Not sure what any of that has to do with Newcastle specifically going for Salisu in January.

You only think it's going to happen because he plays for us.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 03/11/2021 at 19:07, Teddeer said:

Never heard of agents looking to move on players for big money so that they get their slice of the grubby pie? Dangling big money offers is quite the done thing from what I can gather. Gets players unsettled.

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That does not answer the question I asked.

I asked...

"What would be the incentive for Saints to sell mid season vs the end of the season?"

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aintforever

aintforever

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  On 03/11/2021 at 20:01, Matthew Le God said:

That also doesn't really answer the question. Why mid season in January rather than next summer?

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Because if Newcastle are desperate for a centre back in January they might pay silly money, if we don’t want to sell Salisu they will buy someone else.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 03/11/2021 at 20:49, aintforever said:

Because if Newcastle are desperate for a centre back in January they might pay silly money, if we don’t want to sell Salisu they will buy someone else.

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Just to do MLG's  job for him, his question was

"What would be the incentive for Saints to sell mid season vs the end of the season?"

...and having read your post a couple of times I still don't see an answer.

"Because they might buy him or they might not buy him" - what?

aintforever

aintforever

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  On 03/11/2021 at 20:53, CB Fry said:

Just to do MLG's  job for him, his question was

"What would be the incentive for Saints to sell mid season vs the end of the season?"

...and having read your post a couple of times I still don't see an answer.

"Because they might buy him or they might not buy him" - what?

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Read my first answer, the incentive is a big pile of cash.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 03/11/2021 at 22:37, aintforever said:

Read my first answer, the incentive is a big pile of cash.

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....which, as you've already been told, doesn't answer the question because if Salisu is any good there will be other big piles of cash later.

There is no benefit in us selling Salisu in January. And we won't because Newcastle won't want him.

Just a load of old paranoid SaintsWeb forum bollocks. 

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Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 03/11/2021 at 20:37, Sarisbury Saint said:

In that case, whats the point of the January window?

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Truth be told, very little. There’s the odd player here and there who isn’t getting a game and decides to try his luck elsewhere. Then there’s the occasional Austin or Fonte who’s out of contract in summer and the owners decide to cash in. For us though, there’s absolutely no motivation to sell our best centre half in January when we’re nowhere near being assured of safety.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 03/11/2021 at 22:37, aintforever said:

Read my first answer, the incentive is a big pile of cash.

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That does not answer the question as a big pile of cash would also be available for him in the summer. So what is the incentive for Saints to sell mid season vs the summer?

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JustinSFC

JustinSFC

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  On 03/11/2021 at 10:14, saint lard said:

Howe to Everton. You heard it here first. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Might have legs.

Not sure if you posted before Nixon or not.

Fair play.

Let's see how this one plays out.

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alehouseboys

alehouseboys

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  On 04/11/2021 at 06:16, JustinSFC said:

Might have legs.

Not sure if you posted before Nixon or not.

Fair play.

Let's see how this one plays out.

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Benitez back to the Geordies, Everton fan Eddie Howe in at Goodison, everyone's happy - particular the scousers who get shot of the red, cop big compensation and get a cheap option in return. I'll give him about 6 months on Merseyside.

egg

egg

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  On 04/11/2021 at 07:20, alehouseboys said:

Benitez back to the Geordies, Everton fan Eddie Howe in at Goodison, everyone's happy - particular the scousers who get shot of the red, cop big compensation and get a cheap option in return. I'll give him about 6 months on Merseyside.

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There's logic in that theory. Could see that happening, although I wouldn’t be surprised if Howe did well at Everton.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 04/11/2021 at 06:16, JustinSFC said:

Might have legs.

Not sure if you posted before Nixon or not.

Fair play.

Let's see how this one plays out.

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Nixon has contacts and is one of the main correspondents for The Sun but he's been clever there by not actually saying anything much.

Feels all a bit too neat-and-tidy for Rafael-Newcastle-Howe-Everton, especially as Benitez hasn't really done much wrong, yet (they're just being Everton). We'll see.

Charlie Wayman

Charlie Wayman

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I feel sorry for Nunez, what the hell is he supposed to achieve in 10 matches? He's best out of it.

Ralph has had three years and things are just about coming together for him now. Truth is Spurs are a mess under the leadership of a guy who clearly has no idea how to run a successful PL club. With the cost of the new stadium hovering over them how soon before they are declared bankrupt.

aintforever

aintforever

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  On 04/11/2021 at 05:58, Matthew Le God said:

That does not answer the question as a big pile of cash would also be available for him in the summer. So what is the incentive for Saints to sell mid season vs the summer?

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Because the pile of cash obviously might not be anywhere as big in the summer. Every player has their price - if you know the club are desperate and are owned by someone for whom money is no object you can name the price. Come the summer Newcastle might not be desperate or even interested.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 04/11/2021 at 10:22, aintforever said:

Because the pile of cash obviously might not be anywhere as big in the summer. Every player has their price - if you know the club are desperate and are owned by someone for whom money is no object you can name the price. Come the summer Newcastle might not be desperate or even interested.

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In which case Saints keep him and why would they view that as a bad thing?

macca155

macca155

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Nobody is doubting how good Salisu looks at the moment. Absolute gem in the making, but there is a long way to go.

Saints are clearly following the Dortmund model, and will sell big at some point. That model also includes having a replacement ready.

When Newcastle spend big in January, they'll go for experience and big names. Mings, Coady, Tarkowski, or any number of Italians, are more likely to be on their radar.

Anyway if they really want Salisu, please make a cheque out for £100 million. 

TWar

TWar

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  On 04/11/2021 at 11:16, Jeremy Corbyn said:

£50 million > JWP, and if that offer is only available in January then we should take it.

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Hes worth more than £50m fullstop, add in a January premium for mid-season disruption and the fact he'd be harder to replace, I think we'd want way higher than that. 

aintforever

aintforever

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  On 04/11/2021 at 11:02, Matthew Le God said:

In which case Saints keep him and why would they view that as a bad thing?

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They wouldn't necessarily. But if the club receive a ridiculous amount for any player it might mean the team can be improved overall with a few signings. It obviously all depends on how much they get, what replacements they have lined up and what our position is in the league as to wether it makes sense to sell.

Minsk

Minsk

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  On 02/11/2021 at 17:36, Minsk said:

Next to go?

Bielsa could away from Leeds if they don't start churning out results like season. Wouldn't be sacked though.

Will Norwich stick with Farke?

Quite possibly Smith at Villa, if they remain in the bottom half as Christmas approaches.

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Posted this last Tuesday. Didn't think both would be gone in less than a week. That's 1 in 4, 25%, of Premier League managers sacked 11 matches into the season; including 2 of the 3 who got their teams promoted into it for this campaign, and those 2 being the ones who earned automatic promotions! 

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