Salisu

[warwicksaint]

 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

One of the most important signings of the summer if we can tie him down

[Bad Wolf]

Great news if we can tie him down, Salisu is very talented and though last season was not without error, it's clear to see that he's, in general brilliant. Leeds at home last season was the best individual performance from a CB since VVD Vs Inter Milan IMO

[austsaint]

Salisu is a gem.  A contract extension would be the highlight of the window.

[Turkish]

Good news. Just a bit sad that these days a new contract is more about securing a resale value than knowing he's going to play with us for longer. Guess that's Soccerball for you.

[Sunglasses Ron]

Really big if we can do this.

He's definitely not VVD, but then he didn't join us until he was 24/25 and had those great years of development at Celtic playing in the Champions League.

I have really high hopes for him over the next 2-3 years.

[LiberalCommunist]

14 hours ago, Chez said:

are you saying the £40m bid by Newcastle  in January and turned down by saints didn't happen and was just `speculation'?

You should probably read back a few of the previous comments, before just quoting one, and then sticking a badly worded question on it. 

[davefizzy14]

Salisu is a Rolls Royce of a defender. This will be great news

Edited 4 July, 2022 by davefizzy14

[Chez]

11 hours ago, Saint86 said:

What? I never read anything about that? But tbh, we would have been in the shite if we had sold him then.

https://www.90min.com/posts/mohammed-salisu-why-his-january-move-newcastle-fell-through

[Chez]

38 minutes ago, LiberalCommunist said:

You should probably read back a few of the previous comments, before just quoting one, and then sticking a badly worded question on it. 

Apologies, I'll pull my socks up and word my questions better in future.

[Chez]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

Good news. Just a bit sad that these days a new contract is more about securing a resale value than knowing he's going to play with us for longer. Guess that's Soccerball for you.

you could argue that they go hand in hand. With the contract in place, you don't have to sell as urgently to secure some transfer value - and thus you get an extra year or more (see Zaha) of them at your club if your valuation is not met.

[Matthew Le God]

7 hours ago, Turkish said:

Good news. Just a bit sad that these days a new contract is more about securing a resale value than knowing he's going to play with us for longer. Guess that's Soccerball for you.

Why doesn't it mean a player would be more likely to be at the club longer? Club's hands are forced when players enter the final year or two of their contract as value starts to rapidly drop. If Saints added years onto Salisu's deal that puts them in a stronger position to reject bids and sell in a later year like they did with Schneiderlin and others.

[The Kraken]

Good news.

Salisu’s form last season seemed to dip around the time of Ramadan, so hopefully that was indeed the reason he looked much less sharp. He’s a good player, he’s got a long way to go yet though. Much happier for him to be at saints than not though.

[SNSUN]

9 hours ago, warwicksaint said:

 

This would be a cracking (re-)signing. If we are indeed interested in Colwill and get him, it'd give us Salisu and Colwill as left footed CBs and ABK and Lyanco as right sided CBs. With Simeu coming through we'd have a good stock for a few years. (Bye Jack...)

[Sunglasses Ron]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

Good news.

Salisu’s form last season seemed to dip around the time of Ramadan, so hopefully that was indeed the reason he looked much less sharp. He’s a good player, he’s got a long way to go yet though. Much happier for him to be at saints than not though.

Thank heavens Ramadan is only held by Fifa once every 4 years.

[Convict Colony]

9 minutes ago, Sunglasses Ron said:

Thank heavens Ramadan is only held by Fifa once every 4 years.

Hahaha but you forget to factor in afcon and its new timing of Jan 24 being the new pain, it was meant to be June 23 but due to rains it's been moved, looks like Toto was right.

[Sunglasses Ron]

1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

Hahaha but you forget to factor in afcon and its new timing of Jan 24 being the new pain, it was meant to be June 23 but due to rains it's been moved, looks like Toto was right.

Ughhh another barrier to Salisu’s development.

[Matthew Le God]

 

 

[SNSUN]

22 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Hahaha but you forget to factor in afcon and its new timing of Jan 24 being the new pain, it was meant to be June 23 but due to rains it's been moved, looks like Toto was right.

2024 though right? Means we at least have him the whole of this season. 

[Chris cooper]

Uh oh city want salisu as replacement for Ake .. saints extra 

[EBS1980]

1 minute ago, Chris cooper said:

Uh oh city want salisu as replacement for Ake .. saints extra 

According to a city fan twitter account. Don’t one I’m taking seriously 

[SNSUN]

4 minutes ago, Chris cooper said:

Uh oh city want salisu as replacement for Ake .. saints extra 

Not nearly complete enough yet. Needs another 2 seasons with us and then he's off to Liverpool to replace VVD. 😜 Maybe we can persuade City that Polish International Bednarek is the player they need...

[SuperSAINT]

Good lord, if true, the player exchange algorithm…

 

[allsa001]

2 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

Good lord, if true, the player exchange algorithm…

 

Of only raheem sterling hadn't gone to Chelsea

[tajjuk]

At this point we might as well just join the City group of clubs! 

[nta786]

6 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

At this point we might as well just join the City group of clubs! 

We only cost the same amount as Jack Grealish anyway  

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

Salisu is massively overrated by our fans. He has great potential as shown in some of his performances at the start of last season, but he has a distinct lack of defensive discipline at other times. If he can sort that out then re-signing him will be great. Hopefully, it is the sort of thing that can be coached.

Nevertheless, at the current moment I would not be overly concerned if he did get snapped up by City. That could deliver a fee with which we could buy someone better and more disciplined.

[LuckyNumber7]

29 minutes ago, SaintJackoInHurworth said:

Salisu is massively overrated by our fans. He has great potential as shown in some of his performances at the start of last season, but he has a distinct lack of defensive discipline at other times. If he can sort that out then re-signing him will be great. Hopefully, it is the sort of thing that can be coached.

Nevertheless, at the current moment I would not be overly concerned if he did get snapped up by City. That could deliver a fee with which we could buy someone better and more disciplined.

He had a poor last few months of the season for sure (as everyone did), but he clearly has the ability and all the attributes to be a top defender. Pace, strength, good on the ball and his reading of the game is exceptional.

He is still relatively young so will make some mistakes, but I expect him to up his game further this season. It's vital we tie him to a new contract so we get a proper fee for him when he inevitably moves on.

[Suhari]

Don't think he's ready for a move to a 'big' club yet. Best thing would be signing a new contract with us, getting his head down and proving himself this season.

[nta786]

1 minute ago, Suhari said:

Don't think he's ready for a move to a 'big' club yet. Best thing would be signing a new contract with us, getting his head down and proving himself this season.

The sad thing is that the best thing for him would be not signing a new contract, playing amazingly this season and then almost force our hand next season to sell should he have suitors.

If he has an average season then we'll still probably offer him a contract anyway next year. 

Ideal world is he extends his contract and plays out of his skin to give us some more bargaining power, but I would be willing to accept a reasonable compromise of putting in say a £50m release clause if that will entice him to sign.

[SambaMaverick]

Sell him, spend half on Colwill and half on a new striker. 

[Chris cooper]

48 minutes ago, SaintJackoInHurworth said:

Salisu is massively overrated by our fans. He has great potential as shown in some of his performances at the start of last season, but he has a distinct lack of defensive discipline at other times. If he can sort that out then re-signing him will be great. Hopefully, it is the sort of thing that can be coached.

Nevertheless, at the current moment I would not be overly concerned if he did get snapped up by City. That could deliver a fee with which we could buy someone better and more disciplined.

He tailed off as did his team mates around him.. injury before villa away and then Ramadan put paid to the guys form.

He’s raw but has a natural talent of reading the game as cb .. yes he has mistakes but he’s the best defender we’ve had since Virgil and we will make a lot of money on him.

he’s just undercooked atm.. iron out the mistakes and we have a wc cb on our hands .. for me I’d keep and upgrade his contract and fast .. he’s ready for international duty too now so his head is in the right place.

[S-Clarke]

3 hours ago, SaintJackoInHurworth said:

Salisu is massively overrated by our fans. He has great potential as shown in some of his performances at the start of last season, but he has a distinct lack of defensive discipline at other times. If he can sort that out then re-signing him will be great. Hopefully, it is the sort of thing that can be coached.

Nevertheless, at the current moment I would not be overly concerned if he did get snapped up by City. That could deliver a fee with which we could buy someone better and more disciplined.

I don't think he's over rated at all, all we have to compare him against is Bednarek and Stephens - so by default he's class.

Technically he's a very good player, he smells danger and always seems to be in the right place at the right time. He tailed off last season and I'm sure both himself and the club want to understand why that is, but when he was on it he was unbeatable against the best teams in this league.

The guy is our best CB and we need to be building a defence around his sorts, not Bednarek.

Edited 9 July, 2022 by S-Clarke

[Saint Billy]

Let's face it, he was running around like a dog on heat trying to hold a frail defence together and burned himself out in the later stages of the season. 

He was by far our best defender but got no help from some of the others. 

[Saint Matty 76]

He isn't overrated at all, what do some of you watch every week? He won't be far off a big move, and City wouldn't surprise me given how he's played against them.

Unfortunately I've heard contract talks were proving difficult as his team are after a reasonably low release clause to renew.

 

[HarvSFC]

5 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

Unfortunately I've heard contract talks were proving difficult as his team are after a reasonably low release clause to renew.

 

Which would make sense, as we ourselves picked him up on the cheap as he had a low release clause at Vallodid, it's what his negotiators look for. I said in the Aribo thread, that these players who we're picking up on the cheap because of their contract situations will do the same here, so it's another element of selling the player at the right time and getting the best price.

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

1 hour ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

He isn't overrated at all, what do some of you watch every week? He won't be far off a big move, and City wouldn't surprise me given how he's played against them.

Unfortunately I've heard contract talks were proving difficult as his team are after a reasonably low release clause to renew.

 

Let me reiterate what I am saying - I am not saying for a moment that Salisu does not have potential; nor am I saying that he didn't have some good performances last autumn. What I am saying is that far too many people are making overrated assessments of him. Yes, he may have made some hugely telling interceptions in a few games before Christmas - he may even have been one of the stand out performers in those games; but for every game that he has performed well there have been far too many where his performances have been below par. Let's face it - he is not yet anywhere near the standard of Virgil Van Dijk or Toby Alderweireld or any other quality centre back. Yet some people's praise of him would seem to suggest that that is exactly how they see him!

Don't get me wrong - I would love it if he could take that next step up in performance and achieve that level; and he certainly shows some potential that he COULD reach that level - but he is not there yet.

It astonishes me that many of those people who are so quick to lambast Bednarek (and there have certainly been times when he may have deserved that) are often the same people that go all starry-eyed over Salisu! I think the truth is actually somewhere in between and that some of the time Bednarek has been criticised (whether fairly or not), people have failed to observe just how much Salisu's errors have contributed to Bednarek's shortcomings.

You are quick to suggest I haven't been watching what has happened in Saints games, but actually I could lay that same criticism against you. In fact it is because I have taken the time to carefully analyse what has gone wrong for some of our goals that I have come to the conclusion that I have; and I would urge you to go back and look at some of those goals where Bednarek has been criticised and see what I am saying. What you will see is Bednarek trying and failing to defend, but if you look closer I would encourage you to ask yourself where is Salisu on (some/many of) those occasions. You will discover on a significant number of those occasions that he has disappeared up the wing, forgetting his defensive priorities; and that is where my frustration lies.

As far as I am concerned, both Bednarek and Salisu need to improve; Bednarek needs to stop trying to cover two defensive positions and to focus and covering where he is supposed to cover. Salisu meanwhile needs to improve his focus and prioritise defending rather than seeking some glory as an additional winger. With two central defenders defending, no matter what any of their deficiencies they may have, they will do better than if they are left as the sole central defender.

Of course, it may well be that Bednarek will be forced out by those who are so keen to place all blame at his feet. I just hope that if that happens, we aren't left to rue an over-dependance on Salisu. Hopefully, instead, he will begin to live up to the over-stated assessment of him by many of our fans. Hopefully, too, Bella-Kotchap will prove to be an inspired purchase and a central defender of real class.

[Dusic]

Personally rate him very highly but would be suprised if City want him as his weakness is on the ball and thats an attribute they value very highly.

That said, if he doesn't sign a contract then now is probably when his value is highest.

I think more likely is he stays this season, doesn't sign a contract and then moves for about £30m next summer.

[Matthew Le God]

 

[Saint Garrett]

Got his first call up for Ghana today, in prep for World Cup I'm guessing.

[Whitey Grandad]

23 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Got his first call up for Ghana today, in prep for World Cup I'm guessing.

Good for him but potentially bad for us.

[Sunglasses Ron]

Does anyone know the latest on his contract?  It's down to 12 months at the end of the season if I'm not mistaken?

[Saint Matty 76]

1 hour ago, Sunglasses Ron said:

Does anyone know the latest on his contract?  It's down to 12 months at the end of the season if I'm not mistaken?

Definitely getting a bit worrying, would be a huge shame to only receive £15-20m or so given the improvement he's made and his young age. Him and ABK looking a good pairing.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

28 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

Definitely getting a bit worrying, would be a huge shame to only receive £15-20m or so given the improvement he's made and his young age. Him and ABK looking a good pairing.

Possibly why DCC has been brought in already? Pure speculation, but the noises coming from his camp might reflect not be positive for an extenstion

[Saint Garrett]

21 hours ago, Sunglasses Ron said:

Does anyone know the latest on his contract?  It's down to 12 months at the end of the season if I'm not mistaken?

Yup - there are a few I think, inc KWP...

[Dusic]

24 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Yup - there are a few I think, inc KWP...

KWP under contract until 2025 thankfully so could still aak for big money for him the next two windows.

Salisu surely they will try to extend but if he won't then it forces a sale next summer. Think he is still inconsistent enough that its an easy argument that another season after this of playing regularly would set him up well. 

He is also quite awkward on the ball which might put off some of the top sides a little.

[S-Clarke]

26 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Yup - there are a few I think, inc KWP...

Signed a 5 year contract in 2020 - so he's still got 3 years left, but he's edging into the territory where we'd need to start talking about renewal.

[Saint86]

On 07/09/2022 at 16:18, Dusic said:

KWP under contract until 2025 thankfully so could still aak for big money for him the next two windows.

Salisu surely they will try to extend but if he won't then it forces a sale next summer. Think he is still inconsistent enough that its an easy argument that another season after this of playing regularly would set him up well. 

He is also quite awkward on the ball which might put off some of the top sides a little.

After ABK, I have no doubts we can sell salisu and buy at least one player as good as / better than him.

[SuperSAINT]

 

[qwertyell]

1 minute ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

I'd be surprised if he moved to France. He was really keen to play in England. Seem to recall he turned down offers in France and Spain to join us.

That being said, he's obviously off in the summer. And unfortunately, Brighton and everyone else have noticed Levi Colwill is a bit brilliant - would've been the perfect replacement.