Saints 0-0 West Ham - Match Thread

[Teddeer]

  On 11/09/2021 at 13:07, TWar said:

Makes sense, our internationals not starting as they haven't had time to prep properly. Ely and Livra not withstanding, but they have been on fire recently so not really droppable.

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Bet all or most of their internationals will be playing. Why do our snowflakes take so long to recover?

[Teddeer]

  On 11/09/2021 at 13:06, hypochondriac said:

No Broja? I'd have had him in if no Adams. I suppose Redmond has been training all week so the logic is maybe he is fresher and knows what's required. 

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This was the sensible option. Broja has a physical presence which you need against West Ham but Ralph prefers to stick with Redmond.

[TWar]

  On 11/09/2021 at 13:51, Teddeer said:

Bet all or most of their internationals will be playing. Why do our snowflakes take so long to recover?

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It's less recovery and more Ralph hasn't had a chance to prepare them for the game and the specific strengths and weaknesses of West Ham I imagine.

[BotleySaint]

Good old Ralph. Likes to throw a random selection into the starting line-up in the hopes of accidental genius.

Probably just resting the other guys tho

[Teddeer]

  On 11/09/2021 at 13:53, TWar said:

It's less recovery and more Ralph hasn't had a chance to prepare them for the game and the specific strengths and weaknesses of West Ham I imagine.

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Same for both teams unless I am missing something?

[Jonnyboy]

any streams out there?

[TWar]

  On 11/09/2021 at 13:55, Teddeer said:

Same for both teams unless I am missing something?

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Nah this is true. Ralph has always liked to go hard on the prep though, some suggested this is why we struggled last season when we had limited time between games. Not all managers are like this, some just play how they play and don't majorly adapt to the opposition. No real right or wrong way to do it to be honest.

[DT]

Ralph is surely picking his team using names in a hat

[Teddeer]

  On 11/09/2021 at 13:57, TWar said:

Nah this is true. Ralph has always liked to go hard on the prep though, some suggested this is why we struggled last season when we had limited time between games. Not all managers are like this, some just play how they play and don't majorly adapt to the opposition. No real right or wrong way to do it to be honest.

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Well, let's make a judgement based on the performance of both sides today.

[TWar]

  On 11/09/2021 at 13:59, Teddeer said:

Well, let's make a judgement based on the performance of both sides today.

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I guess, worth noting West Ham have much better players than us though.

[stknowle]

  On 11/09/2021 at 13:55, adriansfc said:

Have we had a better performing player than KWP just suddenly out the team? Feel bad for him, consistently excellent since he arrived. 
 

Livramento seems good but why strengthen there when goalkeeper and CM were so weak? I can’t see KWP wanting to stick around too long like this. 
 

As for redmond, we should be used to it I guess. Adams and Armstrong building a partnership, drop one. Finally have options and exciting players like Tella and Broja, nah bring in Redmond. 
 

Just have to hope it’s one of his two or three strong games per season and not one of his 30 or so dogshit ones where most his energy goes on throwing his hands about moaning at superior teammates. I remember seeing him do that at tadic and van dijk in the past 😂

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I have to say I find it bizarre we have strengthened one of our strongest positions. Surely the plan must be to accommodate them both but if so, wtf are we waiting for?

[Donatello]

  On 11/09/2021 at 13:47, Saint_clark said:

Any streams?

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http://liveonscore.to/soccer-streams/premier-league/southampton-vs-west-ham-united/31737/?sport=soccer

[Billy the Kidd]

Any streams, i cant get hesgoal working 

 

[Lighthouse]

  On 11/09/2021 at 13:55, adriansfc said:

Livramento seems good but why strengthen there when goalkeeper and CM were so weak?

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You don’t understand why we bought Livramento for £5m? That’s like saying why buy a Ferrari for £100 when we really need a new bathroom.

[Mr X]

  On 11/09/2021 at 13:55, Jonnyboy said:

any streams out there?

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It's on Bein sports extra 1, foreign commentary but picture fine.

[Teddeer]

  On 11/09/2021 at 14:00, TWar said:

I guess, worth noting West Ham have much better players than us though.

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Agree but we can all judge whether Saints are stronger or weaker today than previous games.

[Mr X]

Ok start so far 

[Ohio Saint]

  On 11/09/2021 at 14:04, Lighthouse said:

You don’t understand why we bought Livramento for £5m? That’s like saying why buy a Ferrari for £100 when we really need a new bathroom.

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excellent analogy!

[Mr X]

Poor give away from salisu 

[egg]

  On 11/09/2021 at 14:04, Lighthouse said:

You don’t understand why we bought Livramento for £5m? That’s like saying why buy a Ferrari for £100 when we really need a new bathroom.

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It's easy to understand, but your analogy avoids the point that our team is no stronger with Livramento rather than KWP in the team. It would have been stronger with a better CM or keeper. 

[OttawaSaint]

Just Ralph being Ralph. Trying to be a super tactician, putting together a foolproof prof plan to beat West Ham.

That'll all be out the window the moment one if our CBs dozes off or McC forgets to come for a cross.

WHU unchanged so international players don’t necessarily need all this rest...

Edited 11 September, 2021 by OttawaSaint

[Saint_clark]

Moi and Djenepo combining well, no-one moving in the box for them.

[Saint_clark]

Are we playing a 4-2-3-1? Redmond is out on the right and Moi is sitting just deeper than Armstrong.

[OttawaSaint]

  On 11/09/2021 at 14:04, Lighthouse said:

You don’t understand why we bought Livramento for £5m? That’s like saying why buy a Ferrari for £100 when we really need a new bathroom.

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Instructions unclear.

Just took a shit in my Ferrari...

[Mr X]

Ralph rockin the waistcoat 😂

[egg]

  On 11/09/2021 at 14:08, OttawaSaint said:

Just Ralph being Ralph. Trying to be a super tactician, putting together a fool prof plan to beat West Ham.

That'll all be out the window the moment one if our CBs dozes off or McC forgets to cone for a cross.

WHU unchanged so international players don’t necessarily need all this rest...

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Yep, everyone has a plan until they take a punch on the face etc. 

[Teddeer]

Armstrong up top on his own at home????

[egg]

  On 11/09/2021 at 14:10, OttawaSaint said:

Instructions unclear.

Just took a shit in my Ferrari...

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Exactly that. You need a new toilet, don't buy a sports car. We needed a toilet more than a sports car. 

[Ohio Saint]

  On 11/09/2021 at 14:10, OttawaSaint said:

Instructions unclear.

Just took a shit in my Ferrari...

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Yeah, the fast acceleration can be pretty scary.

[Lighthouse]

  On 11/09/2021 at 14:08, egg said:

It's easy to understand, but your analogy avoids the point that our team is no stronger with Livramento rather than KWP in the team. It would have been stronger with a better CM or keeper. 

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Our team is absolutely stronger with Liv in it. For a start it’s a 40 game plus season and there will be injuries and fixture congestion. You can’t expect KWP to play every minute of every game at 90mph. Even putting all that aside, Liv is a fundamentally better player.
 

By all accounts, we have looked at a DM but the right player wasn’t available at the right price. GK I’d imagine came down to wages. We still have two on very expensive contracts, I doubt we were willing or able to add a third, who’d want at least as much as Forster.

[OttawaSaint]

First challenge gets a yellow. Great...

[Mr X]

We just need to calm down a bit trying to force it. Romeu stupid free kick! 

[Mr X]

Phew! 

[Lighthouse]

Who had 14th minute in the ‘Romeu has to play the rest of the match on a yellow’ sweepstake?

[Saints foreva]

We are so sloppy in possession. 

[Mr X]

Dejenpo still as lightweight as usual 

[Donatello]

  On 11/09/2021 at 14:10, Saint_clark said:

Are we playing a 4-2-3-1? Redmond is out on the right and Moi is sitting just deeper than Armstrong.

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Looks like it so far. 

[Saint NL]

Very sloppy so far, like the first game of the season where everyone is a bit rusty. Sone good ideas, but nothing happening yet.. 

[Saint_clark]

It's a myth that we play a high pressing game, every game the opposition seem to be doing it to us though.

[egg]

  On 11/09/2021 at 14:13, Lighthouse said:

Our team is absolutely stronger with Liv in it. For a start it’s a 40 game plus season and there will be injuries and fixture congestion. You can’t expect KWP to play every minute of every game at 90mph. Even putting all that aside, Liv is a fundamentally better player.
 

By all accounts, we have looked at a DM but the right player wasn’t available at the right price. GK I’d imagine came down to wages. We still have two on very expensive contracts, I doubt we were willing or able to add a third, who’d want at least as much as Forster.

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I disagree. Full backs don't dictate games. CM's do. Full backs aren't as important as keeping the ball out of the net as a decent keeper. We needed a better CM or keeper more than we needed a full back. 

Don't get me wrong, the Livramento business was brilliant, but if I had a choice of KWP plus a better CM or keeper, or Livramento and what we've got, it'd be option 1 all day long. 

 

[Ed Rooney]

We look so weak, but how am I surprised when Redmond and Djenepo are playing and Ward Prowse is up against Rice 

[Saint_clark]

Don't really remember seeing Livaramento involved so far.

[Lighthouse]

  On 11/09/2021 at 14:17, egg said:

if I had a choice of KWP plus a better CM or keeper, or Livramento and what we've got, it'd be option 1 all day long. 

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There’s no reason to think that was the choice.

[OttawaSaint]

Effort Djenepo, looked like it would have curled in. 

[Saints foreva]

Unlucky Djenepo, looked like that was going in. 

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[Billy the Kidd]

Does Moussa not like passing to Perraud?

[OttawaSaint]

Maybe we should just forfeit our corners. If we lose the ball they are looking to break at speed in numbers.

[Saint_clark]

Great run by Redmond, taking it all the way from their 18 yard box to the half way line.

[Mr X]

Think we are going to get hit on the break here after doing ok 

[Saint NL]

The commentator is having a 'mare.

Every saints shot is nowhere near, until he sees the replay and says yeah maybe that was going in 🤣