January 2022 Transfer Window

[Neef]

The £15M transfer limit is hurting us most with the attackers. With decent scouting you can find quality or potential in about every other position - and we've been able to do so with Tino, KWP, Salisu, Diallo etc. 

But with attackers there is almost no way to get around it. Guranteed PL quality #10s & Strikers are a premium in that £15-20M bracket (at least).

Maybe we can get somebody on loan like Newcastle did with Willock last year. 

[TWar]

24 minutes ago, Turkish said:

If he reproduces 25% of what he produced for spurs a couple of season ago that'll be about 10 appearances and 2 goals in a season. Brilliant. 🙄

25% of the quality, not 25% of the appearances...

Two seasons ago he got 12 goal involvements in 1800 minutes, or 0.6 per 90. A quarter of that is 0.15 per 90. That is higher than every attacking mid in our team not named Redmond. So yes, I'd take him even if he reproduced even 25% of what he did 2 years ago.

Of course I meant it more in terms of quality than actual output, but you decided to try to be pedantic but were too thick to pull it off. 

Edited 13 December, 2021 by TWar

[wild-saint]

17 minutes ago, Turkish said:

If he reproduces 25% of what he produced for spurs a couple of season ago that'll be about 10 appearances and 2 goals in a season. Brilliant. 🙄

2 more goals than most of number 10s have scored this season.

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, TWar said:

25% of the quality, not 25% of the appearances...

Two seasons ago he got 12 goal involvements in 1800 minutes, or 0.6 per 90. A quarter of that is 0.15 per 90. That is higher than every attacking mid in our team not named Redmond. So yes, I'd take him even if he reproduced even 25% of what he did 2 years ago.

Of course I meant it more in terms of quality than actual output, but you decided to try to be pedantic but were too thick to pull it off. 

He wouldn't be involved in goals for Harry Kane though, he'd be involved in misses from Armstrong and Adams. So appearances and goals are very relevant. 

[TWar]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

He wouldn't be involved in goals for Harry Kane though, he'd be involved in misses from Armstrong and Adams. So appearances and goals are very relevant. 

His expected assists per 90 were 0.05 lower than his actual assists per 90, so he was more than pulling his weight with regards to his goal contributions (which were primarily goals and not assists incidentally).

He also had an 18 goal season a couple before, so he was perfectly capable and if Ralph could get a tune out of him even to 25% of the player Real Madrid were considering a massive move for then obviously he is better than Elyounoussi or Djenepo. I didn't expect this to be controversial.

[Teddeer]

38 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Dele Alli is very close mates with Walker-Peters. They went on holiday together this summer. Maybe that could help a loan come to fruition.... 

Do you think players make decisions on where to move to based on where their mates play? 

[Turkish]

Just now, TWar said:

His expected assists per 90 were 0.05 lower than his actual assists per 90, so he was more than pulling his weight with regards to his goal contributions (which were primarily goals and not assists incidentally).

He also had an 18 goal season a couple before, so he was perfectly capable and if Ralph could get a tune out of him even to 25% of the player Real Madrid were considering a massive move for then obviously he is better than Elyounoussi or Djenepo. I didn't expect this to be controversial.

He's obviously better than the two you mention, you dont need to quote your statistics to prove this. 25% of his max ability is a very low bar for expectation though.

[TWar]

Just now, Turkish said:

He's obviously better than the two you mention, you dont need to quote your statistics to prove this. 25% of his max ability is a very low bar for expectation though.

Alli 2 years ago was a phenomenal talent. Easily 4 times better than Elyounoussi. I don't need to quote statistics, anyone with half a brain should be aware of that, but here we are.

[Disco Stu]

3 minutes ago, Teddeer said:

Do you think players make decisions on where to move to based on where their mates play? 

I think when it comes to a loan, we would be a good 6 month move for him. Having players he knows well at the club to help him settle in quickly makesa lot of sense. Obviously the stumbling block is how much it would cost us.

[TWar]

11 minutes ago, Teddeer said:

Do you think players make decisions on where to move to based on where their mates play? 

I doubt it is the sole reason, or even the main reason, but if the money is right and the team is the right profile it probably helps. You quite often see in the intro vids for signings them saying they gave an existing player or ex player of their new club a call and were convinced.

Perraud reportedly spoke to Diallo, for instance.

Edited 13 December, 2021 by TWar

[Turkish]

13 minutes ago, TWar said:

Alli 2 years ago was a phenomenal talent. Easily 4 times better than Elyounoussi. I don't need to quote statistics, anyone with half a brain should be aware of that, but here we are.

Well you're wrong about that, 5-6 years ago he was a phenomenal talent. When he joined Spurs in 2015 scored 46 goals in 146 games for Spurs and being heavily linked with a big money transfer to Real Madrid. 2 years ago his star was on the wane, he was left out of the England squad after the summer nations league and hasn't played for England since. Plus since the start of the 2018/19 season he's made 118 Spurs appearances scoring only 21 goals. I thought someone who knows so much more about football than everyone else who has every existed would know this. Anyone with half a brain knows he's not been near the player he was in his early years at Spurs. And no, i'm not saying he isn't better than what we have.

Edited 13 December, 2021 by Turkish

[TWar]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Well you're wrong about that, 5-6 years ago he was a phenomenal talent. When he joined Spurs in 2015 scored 46 goals in 146 games for Spurs and being heavily linked with a big money transfer to Real Madrid. 2 years ago his star was on the wane, he was left out of the England squad after the summer nations league and hasn't played for England since. Plus since the start of the 2018/19 season he's made 118 Spurs appearances scoring only 21 goals. I thought someone who knows so much more about football than everyone else who has every existed would know this.

When have I ever said that I know more about football than everyone else? I would suggest you know less than everyone else, and you using Southgates England selections as a mark of quality is pretty quick way to prove it.

Also in 19/20 (actually two seasons ago... as it is currently 21/22) he got three more goals and 1 more assist than the season before. So if by "on the wane" you mean "actually had improved from the previous year" then yeah you are right, but are an idiot who doesn't know what words mean.

Edited 13 December, 2021 by TWar

[Convict Colony]

I saw this thread trending and assumed some funny jokes were being made.

If our little Napoleon sized owner is expecting/hoping to sell I would expect he would be reading from the Mike Ashley playbook and not sanction any transfers unless the club are able to play for it themselves which i don't think we have the budget for.

Are there actually any stories about us currently or is this all hopium ? apologies not been looking in this thread.

[TWar]

2 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

I saw this thread trending and assumed some funny jokes were being made.

If our little Napoleon sized owner is expecting/hoping to sell I would expect he would be reading from the Mike Ashley playbook and not sanction any transfers unless the club are able to play for it themselves which i don't think we have the budget for.

Are there actually any stories about us currently or is this all hopium ? apologies not been looking in this thread.

No not really, you are right, no sale means probably no signings in January. If you want some hope, Ralph said that the striker and GK situation might prompt a January move I think somewhere, but I haven't seen a credible link in ages.

We are instead just discussing available players in general as it's all a bit boring and Turkish is keeping us entertained with his lack of knowledge of football, maths, and what the word "wane" means.

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, TWar said:

When have I ever said that I know more about football than everyone else? I would suggest you know less than everyone else, and you using Southgates England selections as a mark of quality is pretty quick way to prove it.

Also in 19/20 (actually two seasons ago... as it is currently 21/22) he got three more goals and 1 more assist than the season before. So if by "on the wane" you mean "actually had improved from the previous year" then yeah you are right, but are an idiot who doesn't know what words mean.

This'll be the Gareth Southgate that is the second most successful England manger of all time? So he was marginally better in 19/20 than 18/19 but still miles worse than 2 years before that when he was the rising star you're talking about. 

Too bad you had to resort to insults and name calling, but we know that's standard behaviour. I guess you're like a cornered rat biting out now your self styled football expert analyst mask has slipped.

Edited 13 December, 2021 by Turkish

[TWar]

Just now, Turkish said:

Too bad you had to resort to insults and name calling, but we know that's standard behaviour. I guess you're like a cornered rat biting out now your self styled football expert analyst mask has slipped.

I started off insulting you mate, my first post called you thick.

[Turkish]

Just now, TWar said:

I started off insulting you mate, my first post called you thick.

Yet you dont even know the difference between two years ago and 5 years ago

[TWar]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yet you dont even know the difference between two years ago and 5 years ago

Alli was amazing 5 years ago and was still very good 2 years ago, only deteriorating after a little while of being coached by Jose then being dropped. In fact Jose joined Spurs basically two years ago so saying he was good "a couple of years ago" is pretty accurate in pinpointing when he was last a quality player.

You were thick at the start of this conversation, and I pointed it out, you are still thick now and I'm still pointing it out.

Glad I can clear these two things up for you.

Edited 13 December, 2021 by TWar

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, TWar said:

Alli was amazing 5 years ago and was still very good 2 years ago, only deteriorating after a little while of being coached by Jose.

You were thick at the start of this conversation, and I pointed it out, you are still thick now and I'm still pointing it out.

Glad I can clear these two things up for you.

We all bow down to your superiority sir. Constantly on hand to point out Ralphs tactical genius, how Benitez is doing a great job despite them struggling at the bottom half of the table and of course your expert analysis of Delle Alis goal involvements from two years ago when he was a "phenomenal talent" despite getting dropped from the England squad. As i said, you know so much more than the rest of us.

[TWar]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We all bow down to your superiority sir. Constantly on hand to point out Ralphs tactical genius, how Benitez is doing a great job despite them struggling at the bottom half of the table and of course your expert analysis of Delle Alis goal involvements from two years ago when he was a "phenomenal talent" despite getting dropped from the England squad. As i said, you know so much more than the rest of us.

What's this "we all" business? I'm not talking to anyone else, I suspect basically everyone on this forum knows Deli Alli used to be atleast 4 times as good as Elyounoussi and Djenepo.

I think you are embarrassing yourself, bringing up Ralph and Benitez in a completely unrelated conversation because you know you are losing this argument so trying to pivot to a different one.

Also, you seriously use the england squad as a mark of quality? Grealish wasn't in the England squad that season either when Jesse Lingard was...

The England squad is meaningless, full of dreadful decisions. Mings and Coady better than White, Konsa and Tomori? It's a stupid argument. Not as stupid as "well you are probably wrong because we disagree on the quality of Benitez" but still pretty stupid.

Edited 13 December, 2021 by TWar

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, TWar said:

What's this "we all" business? I'm not talking to anyone else, I suspect basically everyone on this forum knows Deli Alli used to be atleast 4 times as good as Elyounoussi and Djenepo.

I think you are embarrassing yourself, bringing up Ralph and Benitez in a completely unrelated conversation because you know you are losing this argument so trying to pivot to a different one.

Also, you seriously use the england squad as a mark of quality? Grealish wasn't in the England squad that season either when Jesse Lingard was...

The England squad is meaningless, full of dreadful decisions. Mings and Coady better than White, Konsa and Tomori? It's a stupid argument. Not as stupid as "well you are probably wrong because we disagree on the quality of Benitez" but still pretty stupid.

What argument am i losing? You said Delle Ali was a "phenomenal talent" two years ago, you are wrong it's was 5-6 years ago. There is no argument to be be had hun.

[TWar]

Just now, Turkish said:

What argument am i losing? You said Delle Ali was a "phenomenal talent" two years ago, you are wrong it's was 5-6 years ago. There is no argument to be be had hun.

Oh excellent, glad you decided that.

The trying to pivot the conversation was an embarrassing move but this "I'm right, and there isn't even a discussion to have" is a bold move. I dunno mate, seems like beyond "But Southgate dropped him" you don't have much going for you at all in this argument, and if someone uses the "I'm right definitely because the infallible Southgate agrees with me" card then I tend to assume they are a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, TWar said:

Oh excellent, glad you decided that.

The trying to pivot the conversation was an embarrassing move but this "I'm right, and there isn't even a discussion to have" is a bold move. I dunno mate, seems like beyond "But Southgate dropped him" you don't have much going for you at all in this argument, and if someone uses the "I'm right definitely because the infallible Southgate agrees with me" card then I tend to assume they are a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Was this two years ago or was it longer?

Dele Alli to Real Madrid: Los Blancos plot incredible bid for Tottenham's star midfielder in third raid on White Hart Lane in recent years (thesun.co.uk)

[TWar]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Was this two years ago or was it longer?

Dele Alli to Real Madrid: Los Blancos plot incredible bid for Tottenham's star midfielder in third raid on White Hart Lane in recent years (thesun.co.uk)

Oh yeah, no european megaclubs would be in for him within the last two years... https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jan/26/dele-alli-psg-move-hinges-on-tottenham-finding-replacement

Give it up mate, you think showing he was good in 2017 means he wasn't in 2019? I don't even know what point your previous post is trying to make. Apart from that you read the sun, which given your mental capacity and socio-political views does make sense.

Edited 13 December, 2021 by TWar

[Matthew Le God]

1 hour ago, Teddeer said:

Do you think players make decisions on where to move to based on where their mates play? 

Not solely and it wouldn't be a highly weighted factor, but it would be one of many factors.

[Turkish]

Just now, TWar said:

Oh yeah, no european megaclubs would be in for him 2 years ago... https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jan/26/dele-alli-psg-move-hinges-on-tottenham-finding-replacement

Give it up mate, you think showing he was good in 2017 means he wasn't in 2019? I don't even know what point your previous post is trying to make.

Yeah he was smashing up at Spurs last year wasn't he

He was miles better in 2017 and lost his way a bit, everyone knows it. It's quite simple. You've come on here giving it the biggun about Delle Ali and you dont know your subject matter, no shame being wrong now and again.

 

[TWar]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yeah he was smashing up at Spurs last year wasn't he

He was miles better in 2017 and lost his way a bit, everyone knows it. It's quite simple. You've come on here giving it the biggun about Delle Ali and you dont know your subject matter, no shame being wrong now and again.

 

Where did I say he was smashing it up at spurs last year? Reading comprehension can be added to football, maths, and basic words like "wane" as things you struggle with (Also spelling, it's a little embarrassing that you say I don't "know my subject matter" when you can't even spell the subject matters name properly).

"Everyone knows that" I think this conversation has been done for a while and you are bringing out all the "I don't have a leg to stand on" lines. As you say "no shame in being wrong now and again". For you I'd change "now and again" to "again and again".

Either way, this has gotten embarrassing, you have steadily been getting less and less coherent so maybe a good time to end this.

Edited 13 December, 2021 by TWar

[Turkish]

Just now, TWar said:

Where did I say he was smashing it up at spurs last year? Reading comprehension can be added to Football, maths, and basic words like "wane" as things you struggle with (Also spelling, it's a little embarrassing that you say I don't "know my subject matter" when you can't even spell the subject matters name properly).

"Everyone knows that" I think this conversation has been done for a while and you are bringing out all the "I don't have a leg to stand on" lines. As you say "no shame in being wrong now and again". For you I'd change "now and again" to "again and again".

Either way, this has gotten embarrassing, you have steadily been getting less and less coherent so maybe a good time to end this.

You got it wrong mate, dont worry about it. Forget it and move on.

[TWar]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

You got it wrong mate, dont worry about it. Forget it and move on.

You're right, next time I'll come to you on all things Delli Ali 😉

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, TWar said:

You're right, next time I'll come to you on all things Delli Ali 😉

Probably for the best. Enjoy your afternoon.

[TWar]

Just now, Turkish said:

Probably for the best. Enjoy your afternoon.

You too

[HarvSFC]

Jack Cork is/was good mates with Ryan Bertrand at the time of signing Bertrand iirc. 

But, what's KWP going to say to Alli? Play a good season and Hasenhuttl will shove you out of position for the new toy.

[Killers Knee]

• Bednarek - out
• Wallcott - out
• Long - out
• McCarthy - out
• Elyounoussi - out
• Redmond - out
• JWP - out
• Caballero - out
• Lewis - out
• Valery - out

 

• GK - in
• CB - in
• ST - in

[Matthew Le God]

6 minutes ago, Killers Knee said:

• Bednarek - out
• Wallcott - out
• Long - out
• McCarthy - out
• Elyounoussi - out
• Redmond - out
• JWP - out
• Caballero - out
• Lewis - out
• Valery - out

 

• GK - in
• CB - in
• ST - in

You want to reduce the squad size by 7 players? That is a disastrous idea.

[East Kent Saint]

Harry Kane would struggle in our team let alone an off form D Ali .

Edited 13 December, 2021 by East Kent Saint

[Christophenburg]

15 minutes ago, Killers Knee said:

• JWP - out

Good grief - some of our fans have got to be careful or the JWP u-turn from the summer to now is going to cause a lot of whiplash! Can you imagine selling JWP in January of all transfer windows!

[nta786]

I don't even think Dele would fit into the 4222 formation.

We'd be shafting him out wide really.

Ever since we sold our soul to the 4222 it seems like our scouts don't try to look for a Tadic/No. 10 "in-the hole" position anymore, players who generally possess better passing abilities and can change the game with a defence splitting pass.  

[TWar]

12 minutes ago, nta786 said:

I don't even think Dele would fit into the 4222 formation.

We'd be shafting him out wide really.

Ever since we sold our soul to the 4222 it seems like our scouts don't try to look for a Tadic/No. 10 "in-the hole" position anymore, players who generally possess better passing abilities and can change the game with a defence splitting pass.  

In the 4222 the middle two often play very centrally, normally one in the "in the hole number 10" and one wider.

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, TWar said:

In the 4222 the middle two often play very centrally, normally one in the "in the hole number 10" and one wider.

The 4222 is a dreadful formation

[TWar]

24 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The 4222 is a dreadful formation

Works well for a number of sides, nothing is inherently wrong with it. It has worked well for us in the past, we are just in a lull at the moment.

Edited 13 December, 2021 by TWar

[Bob76]

22 minutes ago, TWar said:

Works well for a number of sides, nothing is inherently wrong with it. It has worked well for us in the past, we are just in a lull at the moment.

A lull😂😂😂😂😂

[TWar]

1 minute ago, Bob76 said:

A lull😂😂😂😂😂

Oh sorry, forgot the forum was overreacting at the moment. Let me try again:

We are just going through a permanent period of regression wherein relegation is inevitable, our manager is the worst we've ever had, and Gao is about to to sell us for asset stripping. Is that better?

[nta786]

59 minutes ago, TWar said:

In the 4222 the middle two often play very centrally, normally one in the "in the hole number 10" and one wider.

If I even try to imagine that it sounds incredibly silly. I get that football is a fluid game but if we have one in the number 10 and one wide, it means we are giving up one whole potential side to attack. Or equally, that's one whole side the opposition has space in. 

I don't think the 4222 works- Ralph doesn't have the players to make it work, or it's just not suited for the PL, or we've just been found out with it.

Perhaps it is a combination of all 3.

[Alanh]

9 minutes ago, nta786 said:

If I even try to imagine that it sounds incredibly silly. I get that football is a fluid game but if we have one in the number 10 and one wide, it means we are giving up one whole potential side to attack. Or equally, that's one whole side the opposition has space in. 

I don't think the 4222 works- Ralph doesn't have the players to make it work, or it's just not suited for the PL, or we've just been found out with it.

Perhaps it is a combination of all 3.

I'm going to disagree with the bit in bold.  Our wide attack has regularly come from our fullbacks rather than the 'middle' 2 so the concept of giving up one side is just not happening.  In the last few home games the amount of interchange of position between the 'front 4' has been higher than I can remember in Ralph's time here.  I guess that's a lot to do with the change in personnel in those positions this season.

Not sure about the blanket statement that 4-2-2-2 doesn't work in the PL.  I think our relative 'success' with it has depended on our players being on form, not suspended or injured and playing an opposition susceptible to our pressing game.

[DT]

Was one of our targets. Now Brighton sniffing: https://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/19780618.blackburn-manager-tony-mowbray-gives-update-brighton-target-ben-brereton-diaz/

[Dman]

1 hour ago, TWar said:

Oh sorry, forgot the forum was overreacting at the moment. Let me try again:

We are just going through a permanent period of regression wherein relegation is inevitable, our manager is the worst we've ever had, and Gao is about to to sell us for asset stripping. Is that better?

Overreacting…. LOL

[FarehamSaintJames]

I mean we are piss poor now compared to a few years ago.

Our model of buying young players and selling on for profit is starting to backfire as these players are no longer good enough and no one will want them unless it’s for bargain prices.

Who is going to pay £10m+ for Djenepo?

Who is going to pay more than £5m for Elyannoussi?

Who is going to pay £15m for Perraud? (down the line obviously).

There are only a handful of our players you would call desirable to other Premier League clubs. The rest simply aren’t good enough.

 

[TWar]

23 minutes ago, Dman said:

Overreacting…. LOL

I remember last time we had a bad swing you said our manager was worse than the that of san marino and that we were worse off than pompey. Of course YOU don't think people are overreacting 😂

[Sarisbury Saint]

11 minutes ago, TWar said:

I remember last time we had a bad swing you said our manager was worse than the that of san marino and that we were worse off than pompey. Of course YOU don't think people are overreacting 😂

How long would you define a lull ?

 

[TWar]

1 hour ago, nta786 said:

If I even try to imagine that it sounds incredibly silly. I get that football is a fluid game but if we have one in the number 10 and one wide, it means we are giving up one whole potential side to attack. Or equally, that's one whole side the opposition has space in. 

I don't think the 4222 works- Ralph doesn't have the players to make it work, or it's just not suited for the PL, or we've just been found out with it.

Perhaps it is a combination of all 3.

The idea is that the fullback height is not symmetric and the central midfielders push up asymmetrically. Also one striker will generally stay central and the other will run the channels in a freer role and drop back deeper. In the modern game very few formations are symmetric anymore, and most change heavily throughout. Here are the average positions for every club this week for context