January 2022 Transfer Window

[Roo1976]

Go for Henderson and Manure.................we need a keeper

[stevy777_x]

1 minute ago, Roo1976 said:

Go for Henderson and Manure.................we need a keeper

Agree on Henderson, a much better keeper than Johnsone

[sifter]

5 hours ago, igsey said:

We should have £15m or so kicking around from profit in the summer - we sold Ings, Vestergaard, Gunn, Lemina and Obafemi for around £55m and bought Armstrong, Perraud, Lyanco and Livramento for around £40m. Assuming we were being told the truth when told the £70m loan was for cashflow purposes, then we've got the capital to pick up a good deal or two without the new regime having to put their hands in their pockets.

Unless I am misunderstanding how we manage finances you need to include wages. Generally we sell players with less time on contracts vs the contracts we offer. So assuming wages in and out per week are the same (which they might not be) thr wages that need to be put aside for incoming player is likely to be more than player leaving due to length of contract. 

Alternatively, we might not be putting money for wages to one side and it is just about transfer fees but that doesn't seem prudent.

[The Cat]

8 hours ago, stevy777_x said:

Agree on Henderson, a much better keeper than Johnsone

I've seen the phrase statement signing mentioned a few times, well to me Henderson would be just that. I know he's not as exciting as an attacking midfielder but he is an excellent keeper who would be a fantastic addition in the position we are weakest in.

No idea what his wages are like though, can only presume they'd be too high seeing as he's at Man Utd.

[CB Fry]

7 hours ago, sifter said:

Unless I am misunderstanding how we manage finances you need to include wages. Generally we sell players with less time on contracts vs the contracts we offer. So assuming wages in and out per week are the same (which they might not be) thr wages that need to be put aside for incoming player is likely to be more than player leaving due to length of contract. 

Alternatively, we might not be putting money for wages to one side and it is just about transfer fees but that doesn't seem prudent.

Yes, but you have to remember we offered Ings huge money to stay - 4 years @ £100k = £20m, but didn't give him that, plus sold him for £30m, plus saved a years wages, plus signed Armstrong for less and paid him less.

Yes, we gave JWP some of that spare cash, but I think the fag-packet assumption that we have a bit of spare for January from the summer feels accurate.

I'd have hoped for some business anyway, now, definitely. Not a lot but something.

[MarkSFC]

17 minutes ago, The Cat said:

I've seen the phrase statement signing mentioned a few times, well to me Henderson would be just that. I know he's not as exciting as an attacking midfielder but he is an excellent keeper who would be a fantastic addition in the position we are weakest in.

No idea what his wages are like though, can only presume they'd be too high seeing as he's at Man Utd.

If he happens to be the only sighning we make this January it will be a great month

[SonicBoom]

14 hours ago, saint lard said:

Cantwell to Newcastle according to reports. 
coutinho to Villa looking more likely apparently. Although interest from Liverpool. But not so likely according to sky. 

Apparently Newcastle and one other PL club are interested. I wondered if it might be us as we are looking for a number 10. He looked a great prospect but doesn't seem to have trained on. He's had his own issues at Norwich with perceived lack of effort, being left out and some niggling injuries but there does seem to be a player in there. I'm not convinced he's the type of player Newcastle need right now, but then again they have the money to just buy whoever they want now and not worry about it. 

I could see him at Saints if he has the right attitude but I think he'd be a risk. Could be fantastic, could be another Djenepo. 

[Turkish]

9 hours ago, sifter said:

Unless I am misunderstanding how we manage finances you need to include wages. Generally we sell players with less time on contracts vs the contracts we offer. So assuming wages in and out per week are the same (which they might not be) thr wages that need to be put aside for incoming player is likely to be more than player leaving due to length of contract. 

Alternatively, we might not be putting money for wages to one side and it is just about transfer fees but that doesn't seem prudent.

Our wage bill has come down dramatically over the last few years. Big earners (some of them stealing a living) like Ings, Austin, Hojbjerg, Bertrand, Vestergaard, Lemina, Carillo, Soares etc gone replaced by players on smaller wages. This summer will hopefully see the back of two more in Forster and Long. Every other club seems to struggle on having to pay premier league level wages without having to use proceeds from transfer to cover it, so not sure why anyone thinks we're different

Edited 7 January, 2022 by Turkish

[Dusic]

Seeing as we have agreed a new deal for McCarthy, I don't see us going for Johnstone or any keeper of that seniority.

Would make no real sense to lose one big earning sub in Forster and then sign someone who would mean the same happens to either Johnstone or (more likely) McCarthy.

I would imagine we will sign a 20-23yr old keeper who we feel can challenge McCarthy, and who will be on modest money.

Its then easy to find an older keeper willing to be a no3 like Caballero and thats ideal because in the event they are needed to play they actually can, unlike when you have Harry Lewis who is a pointless 3rd keeper as they know he is essentially unselectable.

 

[skintsaint]

Will more than likely sign players we haven't heard of but have good xG. Need to find the tables of good up and coming xG rated keepers etc.

[DT]

4 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Seeing as we have agreed a new deal for McCarthy, I don't see us going for Johnstone or any keeper of that seniority.

Would make no real sense to lose one big earning sub in Forster and then sign someone who would mean the same happens to either Johnstone or (more likely) McCarthy.

I would imagine we will sign a 20-23yr old keeper who we feel can challenge McCarthy, and who will be on modest money.

Its then easy to find an older keeper willing to be a no3 like Caballero and thats ideal because in the event they are needed to play they actually can, unlike when you have Harry Lewis who is a pointless 3rd keeper as they know he is essentially unselectable.

 

We need to. McCarthy is our achilles' heel.

[Dusic]

12 minutes ago, DT said:

We need to. McCarthy is our achilles' heel.

Maybe so. But for us to go for someone like Johnstone then we should allow both Forster and McCarthy's contracts to expire, sign Johnstone and a younger keeper.

The fact we have seemingly agreed to extend McCarthy's deal suggests its unlikely we will sign a senior keeper for the reasons above.

[Saint Garrett]

Caballero has signed til the end of the season. I wouldn't expect any keeper to sign this month, unless Forster is out the door.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

I can absolutely see Henderson coming here in the summer window, although I think much would depend on De Gea if he stays at United. If he leaves, then possibly Henderson would be number 1 at Old Trafford. If he does become available we should be all over it, chance to really establish himself at a Premier League club, I would hope would maybe see him lower his wage expectations. 

Trouble is, I would say that he would be a target for a number of other clubs, probably including Newcastle.

[OldNick]

21 minutes ago, DT said:

We need to. McCarthy is our achilles' heel.

There's not a keeper in the world that will ever suit your expectations lol. Happy New Year 😀

[Smirking_Saint]

22 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Caballero has signed til the end of the season. I wouldn't expect any keeper to sign this month, unless Forster is out the door.

Exactly my point, we aren’t signing a keeper in Jan unless a spectacular deal comes up or we lose either Forster or McCarthy

They’re also, imo, not our immediate priority tbh

We need a No.10 and a CB more than we need a GK right now

[Dellman]

5 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Exactly my point, we aren’t signing a keeper in Jan unless a spectacular deal comes up or we lose either Forster or McCarthy

They’re also, imo, not our immediate priority tbh

We need a No.10 and a CB more than we need a GK right now

How many CBs do you want? No.10 yes.

[Saint_clark]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

There's not a keeper in the world that will ever suit your expectations lol. Happy New Year 😀

"Better than McCarthy" is every first choice keeper in the Prem, half the second choice keepers in the Prem and half the first choice keepers in the championship. It's not much of an expectation.

[Wimborne_saint]

Ralph sounding very positive about the potential for making signings in this window..

“We can go in the winter now for players that we would normally sign at the end of the summer window. We have the chance to jump earlier for them. The best examples are Broja & Livramento, this is the way we want to go.”

“Young players that cannot make it at the Chelsea or Manchester City's of this world are welcome here. We will give them the platform and want to create new stars."

"We can now, with our new owners, sign two new players."

[DT]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

There's not a keeper in the world that will ever suit your expectations lol. Happy New Year 😀

Would be happy with Johnstone or Henderson (Or Fraser). Thanks for your lovely sentiments

[DT]

Suspect the City boys are a real target, given Ralph's words. Youth the way to go. Suggests Bale/Eriksen is pure fantasy, too...

[Saint_clark]

3 minutes ago, Wimborne_saint said:

Ralph sounding very positive about the potential for making signings in this window..

“We can go in the winter now for players that we would normally sign at the end of the summer window. We have the chance to jump earlier for them. The best examples are Broja & Livramento, this is the way we want to go.”

“Young players that cannot make it at the Chelsea or Manchester City's of this world are welcome here. We will give them the platform and want to create new stars."

"We can now, with our new owners, sign two new players."

Where is that from? I am very surprised to hear the club actually come out and give a number on what we are looking to sign in this window. 

[Lighthouse]

Can't see the 'keeper situation changing now until summer, when I'd imagine FF, WC and possibly HL will all leave and we can go again from scratch. I think we're okay with the four CBs we have. If we do any business this window, I think there's a possibility of someone like Long or Moi going out on loan with another forward player coming in. 

[Saint_clark]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

Can't see the 'keeper situation changing now until summer, when I'd imagine FF, WC and possibly HL will all leave and we can go again from scratch. I think we're okay with the four CBs we have. If we do any business this window, I think there's a possibility of someone like Long or Moi going out on loan with another forward player coming in. 

Long only had the one year extension didn't he? I'd like him kept on in a coaching role, playing in the reserves similar to Lancashire's role.

[Nolan]

4 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Where is that from? I am very surprised to hear the club actually come out and give a number on what we are looking to sign in this window. 

just spoke at the Swansea Press conference.

Ive never heard him talk so positively about incomings.

When asked about Newcastle being able to play Trippier at the rearanged fixture Ralph essentially said (and I paraphrase) "doesnt matter as we'll have new signings too"

Edited 7 January, 2022 by Nolan

[Chez]

3 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Yes, but you have to remember we offered Ings huge money to stay - 4 years @ £100k = £20m, but didn't give him that, plus sold him for £30m, plus saved a years wages, plus signed Armstrong for less and paid him less.

Yes, we gave JWP some of that spare cash, but I think the fag-packet assumption that we have a bit of spare for January from the summer feels accurate.

I'd have hoped for some business anyway, now, definitely. Not a lot but something.

It felt like the Ings money may have been used to pay for the incoming players in the summer, although maybe staggered payments might provide extra capital now that we didn't have in the summer?

As last winter, a loan rather than transfer perhaps? Another Minamino (flair player in the hole) type perhaps to create a few more chances?

I'd of thought the only `paid for' transfer we'd make in this window would be for a keeper and we'd only be buying him now to prevent losing him to another side (such as Johnstone) - otherwise we'd make the move in the summer. Perhaps the `longish term' injury to McCarthy changes things a little, although if they are giving Willy an extension, then I really can't see us signing a keeper in this window at all. Has he signed a deal yet?

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Long only had the one year extension didn't he? I'd like him kept on in a coaching role, playing in the reserves similar to Lancashire's role.

To coach what? How to run around a lot?

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, Nolan said:

just spoke at the Swansea Press conference.

Ive never heard him talk so positively about incomings.

When asked about Newcastle being able to play Trippier at the rearanged fixture Ralph essentially said (and I paraphrase) "doesnt matter as we'll have new signings too"

Bit different from his previous stance in January that he doesn't like the transfer window and happy with his squad. Funny how those of us who said he was just playing the company line were shouted down with it being said Ralph wouldn't say he was happy when he wasn't! 

[Saint-Reece]

9 minutes ago, DT said:

Suspect the City boys are a real target, given Ralph's words. Youth the way to go. Suggests Bale/Eriksen is pure fantasy, too...

To be fair you'd have to be mental to expect them to be anything but pure fantasy after listening to the various interview since the takeover!

[Saint_clark]

Just now, Turkish said:

To coach what? How to run around a lot?

Timing of headers, how to get more power when leaping, how to position yourself when receiving the ball to win a freekick. 

The guy has a decade of experience playing in the Prem and the younger players have said how brilliant he is to have around in terms of morale and encouragement. There is a coaching role that would suit him, regardless of his finishing ability when playing.

[manji]

9 minutes ago, Saint-Reece said:

To be fair you'd have to be mental to expect them to be anything but pure fantasy after listening to the various interview since the takeover!

The various interview. What are you talking about?

[Uncle Albert]

22 minutes ago, Wimborne_saint said:

 

“Young players that cannot make it at the Chelsea or Manchester City's of this world are welcome here. We will give them the platform and want to create new stars."

 

Personally I find this in particular very exciting, ambitious young players with something to prove, the future is looking good.

[Chez]

26 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

"Better than McCarthy" is every first choice keeper in the Prem, half the second choice keepers in the Prem and half the first choice keepers in the championship. It's not much of an expectation.

Can you name 12 championship keepers without using google?

[S-Clarke]

I must admit, I've never heard Ralph as bullish as that either. He must know a hell of a lot more than any of us, so things are in the pipeline I guess.

I don't think we'll move from our plan though, we buy players for the future who we can develop - Tino was a bit of a freak in terms of his readiness. I think it'll probably be the likes of Delap or Macatee who just add to our bench and grow into this side, which is quite exciting.

It's either that or a 6 month loan for Coutinho at extreme expense which may not actually deliver anything.

Edited 7 January, 2022 by S-Clarke

[Chez]

20 minutes ago, Nolan said:

just spoke at the Swansea Press conference.

Ive never heard him talk so positively about incomings.

When asked about Newcastle being able to play Trippier at the rearanged fixture Ralph essentially said (and I paraphrase) "doesnt matter as we'll have new signings too"

That's exciting, but does Tella getting a new contract count as a new signing? Cynical, me? Never.

[S-Clarke]

Just now, Chez said:

That's exciting, but does Tella getting a new contract count as a new signing? Cynical, me? Never.

Not from how he worded it, it was more in relation to additions to what we currently have numbers wise.

Willy Cabellero could count as 1 though.

[Nolan]

12 minutes ago, Chez said:

That's exciting, but does Tella getting a new contract count as a new signing? Cynical, me? Never.

 

watch it back and judge for yourself

(1) Southampton FC on Twitter: "Time to hear from the boss 🗣 Ralph Hasenhüttl speaks to the media ahead of Saturday's #EmiratesFACup tie at Swansea: https://t.co/SeXEOcDV2q" / Twitter

 

Edit: The actual confrerence starts at  4min55 

 

Edited 7 January, 2022 by Nolan

[Saint_clark]

4 minutes ago, Chez said:

Can you name 12 championship keepers without using google?

Nope, it was an estimate. 

[Chez]

3 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

It's either that or a 6 month loan for Coutinho at extreme expense which may not actually deliver anything.

I wonder how winter signings/loan like Coutinho are justified/costed? I guess if you have obvious squad gaps then maybe you don't need to do any sort of cost analysis, but if the manager simply says we need him to make us better, then the paymasters are going to ask - what does that mean in terms of results and return on investment? With prize money at £2m+ a place, I guess if he wins you a game that you would  perhaps have lost, that may be enough to cover the investment.

 

[TWar]

Hope our new stat expert has looked at xG prevented last season. Might give a good push to replace McCarthy with Johnstone.

[Saint_clark]

Just now, TWar said:

Hope our new stat expert has looked at xG prevented last season. Might give a good push to replace McCarthy with Johnstone.

In a league of 20 teams McCarthy was the 21st worst keeper 😂

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

I wonder how winter signings/loan like Coutinho are justified/costed? I guess if you have obvious squad gaps then maybe you don't need to do any sort of cost analysis, but if the manager simply says we need him to make us better, then the paymasters are going to ask - what does that mean in terms of results and return on investment? With prize money at £2m+ a place, I guess if he wins you a game that you would  perhaps have lost, that may be enough to cover the investment.

 

Signings like that in the winter window never make sense, lots of expense for what is probably going to be 6 months. I doubt Villa will be able to sign him perm.

I also don't understand the priority - they've already got Emil Buendua who they spent £40m on in the summer, very similar player who operates in the same space. They've also got Leon Bailey to provide the winger type width. Really odd move for Villa, not sure they needed him. I don't think he's going to make much difference.

[Saint_clark]

7 minutes ago, Nolan said:

 

watch it back and judge for yourself

(1) Southampton FC on Twitter: "Time to hear from the boss 🗣 Ralph Hasenhüttl speaks to the media ahead of Saturday's #EmiratesFACup tie at Swansea: https://t.co/SeXEOcDV2q" / Twitter

How the hell do you skip ahead on this on mobile? 

[TWar]

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

I wonder how winter signings/loan like Coutinho are justified/costed? I guess if you have obvious squad gaps then maybe you don't need to do any sort of cost analysis, but if the manager simply says we need him to make us better, then the paymasters are going to ask - what does that mean in terms of results and return on investment? With prize money at £2m+ a place, I guess if he wins you a game that you would  perhaps have lost, that may be enough to cover the investment.

 

It depends on option to buy. I think if they got a low option to buy (about £20m or lower) then it could be a very smart signing. They risk ~£4m or so in wages and could end up with a bargain option in the summer, if it all backfires that sort of wage isn't going to hurt them too much over 6 months.

[Mattster]

12 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

It's either that or a 6 month loan for Coutinho at extreme expense which may not actually deliver anything.

Coutinho all but confirmed at Villa now, apparently, and flying in for medical this weekend..

[Chez]

3 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Signings like that in the winter window never make sense, lots of expense for what is probably going to be 6 months. I doubt Villa will be able to sign him perm.

I also don't understand the priority - they've already got Emil Buendua who they spent £40m on in the summer, very similar player who operates in the same space. They've also got Leon Bailey to provide the winger type width. Really odd move for Villa, not sure they needed him. I don't think he's going to make much difference.

Not sure I quite agree. They might sign him in the summer. They have an option. if he shines then they will certainly try. Can you have too many flair players? If he fit our budget, which is doubtful, I would have been very excited at his signing on the basis of how good he was for Liverpool.  

[Chez]

6 minutes ago, TWar said:

It depends on option to buy. I think if they got a low option to buy (about £20m or lower) then it could be a very smart signing. They risk ~£4m or so in wages and could end up with a bargain option in the summer, if it all backfires that sort of wage isn't going to hurt them too much over 6 months.

yeah, I agree. They might get him for even less. he'll only have a year left on his contract and Barca are absolutely desperate to get the players on high wages out the door to allow the to sign new stars.

[Christophenburg]

15 minutes ago, Mattster said:

Coutinho all but confirmed at Villa now, apparently, and flying in for medical this weekend..

He was confirmed about two and half hours ago

 

Edited 7 January, 2022 by Christophenburg

[Saint Charminster]

14 minutes ago, Christophenburg said:

He was confirmed about two and half hours ago

 

Still subje t to medical & work permit

[Chez]

38 minutes ago, Nolan said:

 

watch it back and judge for yourself

(1) Southampton FC on Twitter: "Time to hear from the boss 🗣 Ralph Hasenhüttl speaks to the media ahead of Saturday's #EmiratesFACup tie at Swansea: https://t.co/SeXEOcDV2q" / Twitter

 

Edit: The actual confrerence starts at  4min55 

 

he talks about signing players "earlier", and "not needing to sell first before buying" - basically have the necessary cash flow when they need it, so players they want don't go elsewhere before we are in a position to buy.

There was a hint there that a player we were going to sign in the summer, would be targeted now - perhaps Johnstone? And also that they would sign a player now (perhaps to prevent another club getting him) but allow him to stay until the summer - could also be Johnstone, as WBA will want to keep him for their promotion push.

The type and price of player will be same as before ("the Livramentos and Brojas of this world") - so still a relative shoestring budget, but just without the pain of having to wait until Ings is sold first before doing that transfer business. 

In short, we wont see much of a change in policy and type of player, but we will have more chance of getting our first choice as we will have the cash flow to do it when we need to - at the start of windows or dare I say it before the window opens - which we didn't before.

Edited 7 January, 2022 by Chez