Referees

[whelk]

Been so much better in every game I have watched this season. So refreshing playing on when expecting a foul for every slight brush.

Tierney good today I thought.

[Killers Knee]

Who was the VAR ref today?

[niceandfriendly]

It's like watching a new sport. Marvellous stuff.

 

[ErwinK1961]

  On 28/08/2021 at 16:52, Killers Knee said:

Who was the VAR ref today?

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Mike Dean

[whelk]

  On 28/08/2021 at 17:05, ErwinK1961 said:

Mike Dean

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I heard he was trying to pull the power on the monitor Tierney was looking at so he couldn’t award us the pen. He pulled the wrong switch though thankfully.

[niceandfriendly]

Red card for an accidental handball against Reece James 😩

[Paulwantsapint81]

Think lyanco found & scared Mike Dean today

[Roo1976]

  On 28/08/2021 at 17:21, niceandfriendly said:

Red card for an accidental handball against Reece James 😩

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this season would the penatly shout against Villa at home stood? the one against Villa wasnt given because it deflected upon himself, as it also did against James ?so whats changed?

[Chapel End]

  On 28/08/2021 at 18:11, Roo1976 said:

this season would the penatly shout against Villa at home stood? the one against Villa wasnt given because it deflected upon himself, as it also did against James ?so whats changed?

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Its at Anfield, enough said

[Fabrice29]

  On 28/08/2021 at 17:21, niceandfriendly said:

Red card for an accidental handball against Reece James 😩

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Denial of a goal scoring opportunity = red card. It's the clearest red card you'll see all season by the rules. 

[niceandfriendly]

  On 28/08/2021 at 18:39, Fabrice29 said:

Denial of a goal scoring opportunity = red card. It's the clearest red card you'll see all season by the rules. 

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Doesn't change the fact that I don't like to see a red card for an accidental handball. Totally disagree with that rule. They won a penalty, that's more than enough. No real football fan should want to see a red card for that.

Edited 28 August, 2021 by niceandfriendly

[Pamplemousse]

  On 28/08/2021 at 16:45, whelk said:

Been so much better in every game I have watched this season. So refreshing playing on when expecting a foul for every slight brush.

Tierney good today I thought.

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Yup, completely agree. It's a contact sport. Games have been so much better.

[John Boy Saint]

  On 28/08/2021 at 16:45, whelk said:

Been so much better in every game I have watched this season. So refreshing playing on when expecting a foul for every slight brush.

Tierney good today I thought.

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I only had the benefit of listening to Solent - but Blackmore was less than impressed with him, especially the way Tino was seemingly targeted to be kicked at every opportunity with the only sanction being the refs whistle. Yet KWPs yellow was a bit harsh.

[AlexLaw76]

  On 28/08/2021 at 20:54, John Boy Saint said:

I only had the benefit of listening to Solent - but Blackmore was less than impressed with him, especially the way Tino was seemingly targeted to be kicked at every opportunity with the only sanction being the refs whistle. Yet KWPs yellow was a bit harsh.

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Sounds like Klopp/OGS.  Want the ref to let the game flow bar yellows for fouls on our best player(s)

[Fan The Flames]

  On 28/08/2021 at 18:40, niceandfriendly said:

Doesn't change the fact that I don't like to see a red card for an accidental handball. Totally disagree with that rule. They won a penalty, that's more than enough. No real football fan should want to see a red card for that.

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It didn't look accidental, he pushed the ball away. Even Azpilicueta struggled to defend it when he saw the replay after the match.

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 29/08/2021 at 07:43, Fan The Flames said:

It didn't look accidental, he pushed the ball away. Even Azpilicueta struggled to defend it when he saw the replay after the match.

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If he had kept his arm still he might have got away with it but that secondary forward movement was just enough for it to have been a foul.

[badgerx16]

  On 28/08/2021 at 20:54, John Boy Saint said:

I only had the benefit of listening to Solent - but Blackmore was less than impressed with him, especially the way Tino was seemingly targeted to be kicked at every opportunity with the only sanction being the refs whistle. Yet KWPs yellow was a bit harsh.

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I thought I saw KWP, after he was yet again clattered near their penalty area, ask the ref why the Newcastle player hadn't been booked for the foul, yet he had been earlier.

[Nordic Saint]

  On 28/08/2021 at 17:34, Paulwantsapint81 said:

Think lyanco found & scared Mike Dean today

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The TV commentator said that Mike Dean had said it was an attempt to play the ball. It sounds like he was trying to influence the ref not to award a penalty. It's the first time I've heard a commentator repeat what the VAR official had said.  I didn't know that TV commentators could hear communications between officials.

[The Kraken]

  On 29/08/2021 at 09:18, Nordic Saint said:

The TV commentator said that Mike Dean had said it was an attempt to play the ball. It sounds like he was trying to influence the ref not to award a penalty.

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No, Dean said the ref should go and have a look at it on the monitor as he thought it was a foul, which he did and then overturned it. The comment about the player attempting to play the ball is the difference between yellow card, which was awarded, and red card which is given when there is deemed to be no genuine attempt to play the ball.

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 29/08/2021 at 07:43, Fan The Flames said:

It didn't look accidental, he pushed the ball away. Even Azpilicueta struggled to defend it when he saw the replay after the match.

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Bizarre that anyone could think it wasn’t a penalty, as you say he scooped it away. Once he’s given the penalty he has no option but to send him off. 

[John Boy Saint]

Popped along to the Women’s game at Totton - Ref has made some woeful decisions, 2 had all 20 outfield players standing looking at him - to a Woman “WTF?!”.

[LiberalCommunist]

Greame is tearing Mike Den a new one after that game. I've never seen them focus on one key moment for this long before. I think he might go down to his room and kick the door in when he's finished his rant. 

Funny as hell!

[Fan The Flames]

  On 29/08/2021 at 17:53, LiberalCommunist said:

Greame is tearing Mike Den a new one after that game. I've never seen them focus on one key moment for this long before. I think he might go down to his room and kick the door in when he's finished his rant. 

Funny as hell!

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Liverpool man pissed of at Man U getting an advantage, kind of took the edge of the rant for me.

It was a missed foul but not that outrageous that it was missed. However it might make OGS stfu moaning, but I doubt it.

[kelkel31]

  On 29/08/2021 at 10:15, Lord Duckhunter said:

Bizarre that anyone could think it wasn’t a penalty, as you say he scooped it away. Once he’s given the penalty he has no option but to send him off. 

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I thought the double jeopardy rule only got over ruled in the case of violent conduct personally and dont see any reason why that wouldnt be the case anyway

 

[Fan The Flames]

  On 30/08/2021 at 21:30, kelkel31 said:

I thought the double jeopardy rule only got over ruled in the case of violent conduct personally and dont see any reason why that wouldnt be the case anyway

 

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Double jeopardy, as in you don't get sent off as well, only counts for tackles where the player makes a genuine attempt to get the ball. Denying a goal scoring opportunity is an early bath.

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 30/08/2021 at 22:13, Fan The Flames said:

Double jeopardy, as in you don't get sent off as well, only counts for tackles where the player makes a genuine attempt to get the ball. Denying a goal scoring opportunity is an early bath.

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In this case it was denying a goal by handball and not just a DOGSO so once it is deemed to be handball then it has to be a red card.

“Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence, the player is sent off wherever the offence“

[benjii]

I think the rules in that situation should provide for the award of a penalty goal, and no red card (unless it’s violent conduct denying a goal). 

Goal plus red card completely changes the match in a way that the goal itself would not, so seems disproportionate.

Penalty and no red card is unfair on the attacking team as they go from certain goal to 75% chance of a goal.

So, penalty goal it should be. Plus, imagine the laughs when a penalty goal gets wrongly awarded.

Edited 31 August, 2021 by benjii

[skintsaint]

Surprised VAR didnt look at Leeds goal being offside, at the time I'm sure the striker was behind the keeper with only the defender on the line.

[AlexLaw76]

Absolutely atrocious from the Ref v Spurs.   

[cloggy saint]

  On 28/12/2021 at 17:12, AlexLaw76 said:

Absolutely atrocious from the Ref v Spurs.   

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He had his moments but I'm thanking him for the point after Forster's brain-fart was deemed a foul against him.

[saintadjg]

  On 28/12/2021 at 17:18, cloggy saint said:

He had his moments but I'm thanking him for the point after Forster's brain-fart was deemed a foul against him.

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It was a foul. They're always given.

[cloggy saint]

  On 28/12/2021 at 18:35, saintadjg said:

It was a foul. They're always given.

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I know that in today's soft as shite football it's usually considered a foul but had it been at the other end we'd all have been fuming. Clattenburg said it wasn't a foul and I tend to agree.

[niceandfriendly]

I hate how keepers are overprotected in the modern game but Doherty turned his back and jumped straight into Forster's hands after he caught the ball. Foul all day long 😂

[Chocolate Box]

  On 28/12/2021 at 18:38, cloggy saint said:

I know that in today's soft as shite football it's usually considered a foul but had it been at the other end we'd all have been fuming. Clattenburg said it wasn't a foul and I tend to agree.

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And we all know his judgement is flawless...........

[danjosaint]

  On 28/12/2021 at 18:38, cloggy saint said:

I know that in today's soft as shite football it's usually considered a foul but had it been at the other end we'd all have been fuming. Clattenburg said it wasn't a foul and I tend to agree.

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He also said Salisu's 1st yellow wasn't a booking 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

I thought Salisu was bang to rights but where the inconsistency lies is that Brighton and villa should both have had players sent off against us for double yellows

Edited 29 December, 2021 by Ex Lion Tamer

[Dark Munster]

  On 28/12/2021 at 18:47, niceandfriendly said:

I hate how keepers are overprotected in the modern game but Doherty turned his back and jumped straight into Forster's hands after he caught the ball. Foul all day long 😂

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This. I'm surprised so many here are slagging FF for it and saying it wasn't a foul and he was lucky to have it disallowed. He dropped the ball after their player clattered into him FFS.

On the other hand, Kane's goal looked onside to me.

[david in sweden]

  On 31/08/2021 at 02:48, benjii said:

I think the rules in that situation should provide for the award of a penalty goal, and no red card (unless it’s violent conduct denying a goal). 

Goal plus red card completely changes the match in a way that the goal itself would not, so seems disproportionate.

Penalty and no red card is unfair on the attacking team as they go from certain goal to 75% chance of a goal.

So, penalty goal it should be. Plus, imagine the laughs when a penalty goal gets wrongly awarded.

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Agree that the double punishment is very unfair.      IF ...VAR deems it to be a foul then a penalty should be awarded.

Let's face it  (except against world-class goalies) ... every penalty kick should be " a certain goal"  anyway.

Yellows should be restricted to bad fouls and obvious violent play,  and all red card decisions should be backed up by VAR. 

It's more difficult deciding what is .. " a reasonable chance of scoring " . FF made a great save from what looked to be " a certain goal ".

Just running on goal with the ball at your feet doesn't mean it's " a certain goal ".        Shane Long has proven that dozens of times. 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 29/12/2021 at 06:31, david in sweden said:

Agree that the double punishment is very unfair.      IF ...VAR deems it to be a foul then a penalty should be awarded.

 

Yellows should be restricted to bad fouls and obvious violent play,  and all red card decisions should be backed up by VAR. 

 

 

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What a load of pony. They’ve already got rid of the double jeopardy of a penalty and a red, hence why he got a yellow.  VAR look at every single red card and “back it up” already, that’s the rules. They don’t look at yellows. 
 

Your suggestion you shouldn’t get a yellow for persistently giving away free kicks, time wasting, kicking the ball away, showing dissent, blocking the taking of a quick free kick, is just laughable. 

[badgerx16]

  On 28/12/2021 at 23:46, danjosaint said:

He also said Salisu's 1st yellow wasn't a booking 

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The first booking was on "totting up", he had been warned about his persistent fouling a couple of minutes earlier.

[AlexLaw76]

Salisu was being rash from the first whistle. Not long before his 2nd yellow, he throw himself at an interception, which had the timing just been off, could have been a red on its own. 

He is a monster though 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 28/12/2021 at 23:46, danjosaint said:

He also said Salisu's 1st yellow wasn't a booking 

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The booking wasn’t for that one ‘foul’. It was for persistent misconduct and if Clattenburg couldn’t see that then he’s not fit to comment.

[Paulwantsapint81]

Do we want referees to be

CONSISTENT every ref gives same outcome 

OR

COMMON SENSE each decision judged on merit 

problem is often get neither

Dawson on Sunday could have received 2 yellows for foul in buildup to & conceding pen

 

 

[Kenilworthy]

What annoys me is that VAR has no jurisdiction over the award of yellow cards. Yet yellow cards can have significant influence on the outcome of a game, especially the first of two yellows, or can lead to players being banned for a subsequent game. Many times we have seen yellow cards that are clear and obvious errors, such as in the Brighton game, so why not use VAR then?