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Convict Colony

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43 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Usually you have some good insights but this worries me.

He is obviously awful, whatever Whoscored says.

If he isn't good enough to start every week in the Championship and be good, why the fuck did we sign him in the PL?

He is the most clear case of take the loss,(which is minimal) and get rid.

Wait can I get that in a DM 🙏

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1 hour ago, The Cat said:

The first point above is like winning the least scabby woman in Paulsgrove contest and the second is patently untrue unless defending means occasionally getting in the way of a shot and then fist pumping towards the crowd.

So your saying lyanco doesn't like defending? 

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16 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

I just think with how shit we have been for a long time we were shit before we signed lyanco, he's not the problem.

I agree that Lyanco is not the problem himself the problem is buying players like Lyanco who were not PL ready

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OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint

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3 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

I think some of you need to go and look at stats rather than subjective opinion lyanco was rated 15th best player out our squad of 30 according to whoscored.

Some players listed below him and Charly was only just in front.

Perraud

Onuachu

Bazunu

Walcott

S Armstrong

Mara

A Armstrong 

I think the above players get away with it more as they "hide" during games where as lyanco is more visible and emotional. 

I like lyanco, dont think he's starts every week but good to have on the bench, but he is the most competent CB with the ball at his feet and actually like defending.

This obsession with statistics is sterilising football. Players passing sideways to improve their 'stats'. Lyanco won't win stats contests but he can see a pass, he has control of the football and his chest thumping, crowd rousing isn't just an act. Yes, he can't hold a line defending free kicks (teach him, surely it can't be that difficult), yes he gets wrong-sided and there's always a mistake in him and yes he's actually not very good, but I've come to detest 'shirker' ABK and 'shirker' Salisu and I'd sell them and keep Lyanco for the Championship.

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1 hour ago, HarvSFC said:

The overriding memory is that "header" against Grimsby. Get rid, need dependable, safe players at the back in a promotion run. His erratic play could cost us a lot.

And my overriding memory is in the cup against Chelsea when someone must have told him he was Cafu because he was seriously good that game.

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Dusic

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Hooiveld was often clumsy but did the basics of a CB's job pretty reliably game after game: marking, positioning, winning headers etc. You knew what you would get from him and so did his teammates.

Lyanco doesn't consistently do the basics hence why his level is so up and down.

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I'd keep him because of his character and enthusiasm alone !

He brings a presence and I reckon that can brush off on some of the younger players !

Sure he is unpredictable and a yellow card always waiting to happen but I'd much rather have him than moody gits like Salisu 😃

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2 hours ago, eurosaint said:

I'd keep him because of his character and enthusiasm alone !

He brings a presence and I reckon that can brush off on some of the younger players !

Sure he is unpredictable and a yellow card always waiting to happen but I'd much rather have him than moody gits like Salisu 😃

I absolutely hate that first sentence, you may as well stick a fan in defence if you want that, the guy is useless. 

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5 hours ago, Appy said:

I absolutely hate that first sentence, you may as well stick a fan in defence if you want that, the guy is useless. 

Shame you feel that way but I do think there is value in character and enthusiasm ! Sadly he was one of the few last season who showed these attributes and if some of the others had a similar attitude I'm sure that we'd have done better !

As I said before, he's no world beater but he's also not useless, sadly I think that he'll be leaving anyway which will be a loss to the squad IMO 😦

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Lyanco is Marmite. Some people like him, some hate him and I guess we have to agree to disagree on this. My own feeling is, I think we should keep him. I think The Championship which has less finesse than the Prem, and is generally a more robust, direct league might be more to his liking. Players tend not to roll around feigning injury and conning the ref after every strong tackle. Having watched a fair bit of Championship football, there seems to be more "full blooded" tackles going in and I just have a hunch that it will suit Lyanco's game. Add to that, his obvious enthusiasm and attitude and I happen to think he will be an asset in this league. I may be wrong of course and there are no doubt those here that will tell me so. I'm not going to argue anyone else's considered opinion, but that's as I see it. Assuming he stays, time will no doubt tell who was right and who was wrong.

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Convict Colony

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Love them or hate them but the Lyancos, bednerak  and Stephens of this world are what centre backs used to do back in the day, vocal and passionate.

Shout out to ABK who I think leads by example and is world class at shepherding the ball out of play.

Less said about salisu the better.

DCC to be confirmed.

 

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9 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Love them or hate them but the Lyancos, bednerak  and Stephens of this world are what centre backs used to do back in the day, vocal and passionate.

Shout out to ABK who I think leads by example and is world class at shepherding the ball out of play.

Less said about salisu the better.

DCC to be confirmed.

 

ABK wants out, Villa looking likely to bid if Pau Torres joins PSG.

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19 hours ago, Dusic said:

Hooiveld was often clumsy but did the basics of a CB's job pretty reliably game after game: marking, positioning, winning headers etc. You knew what you would get from him and so did his teammates.

Lyanco doesn't consistently do the basics hence why his level is so up and down.

He couldn't do the basics of anything in the Prem which is my point. I can see Lyanco being an effective Championship CB.

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On 26/06/2023 at 02:57, Saint_clark said:

He couldn't do the basics of anything in the Prem which is my point. I can see Lyanco being an effective Championship CB.

The basics still apply in the Championship which is why we are actively trying to get rid of him.

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51 minutes ago, Dusic said:

The basics still apply in the Championship which is why we are actively trying to get rid of him.

They also applied for Hooiveld who was excellent in the championship and worse than Lyanco in the Prem. 

Don't think you're actually following what I'm saying here.

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A year playing regularly in a successful championship side might be the making of him to be fair. He's got the technical and physical ability as well as the passion, but he needs to learn a cooler head and improve his concentration - ultimately step up to become a defensive leader. There are plenty of players that have benefited by a step down and taking on a leading role at a lower level - even with saints. Look at the development of Morgan, Lallana, and Fonte as examples. ultimately, if we're going to get promoted with any of our current CB's, the reality is they are going to have to develop and mature this coming season.

We currently have 6 on paper good CB's for the champ - Stephens (29), Bednarek (27), Lyanco (26), DCC (26), Salisu (24), ABK (21). 

I fancy we'll keep Stephens as he's always had the ability to carry the ball, Lyanco similar, and then one of the others - DCC was much hyped for his passing. ABK is an absolute athlete that would do very well for a year of regular playing at this level.

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3 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

A year playing regularly in a successful championship side might be the making of him to be fair. He's got the technical and physical ability as well as the passion, but he needs to learn a cooler head and improve his concentration - ultimately step up to become a defensive leader. There are plenty of players that have benefited by a step down and taking on a leading role at a lower level - even with saints. Look at the development of Morgan, Lallana, and Fonte as examples. ultimately, if we're going to get promoted with any of our current CB's, the reality is they are going to have to develop and mature this coming season.

We currently have 6 on paper good CB's for the champ - Stephens (29), Bednarek (27), Lyanco (26), DCC (26), Salisu (24), ABK (21). 

I fancy we'll keep Stephens as he's always had the ability to carry the ball, Lyanco similar, and then one of the others - DCC was much hyped for his passing. ABK is an absolute athlete that would do very well for a year of regular playing at this level.

I dont really see how a guy who is so unreliable in passing a ball will adapt to a manager's tactics that involves passing a ball !!

If he stays expect plenty of Notts Forest at home moments to follow.......

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57 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

A year playing regularly in a successful championship side might be the making of him to be fair. He's got the technical and physical ability as well as the passion, but he needs to learn a cooler head and improve his concentration - ultimately step up to become a defensive leader. There are plenty of players that have benefited by a step down and taking on a leading role at a lower level - even with saints. Look at the development of Morgan, Lallana, and Fonte as examples. ultimately, if we're going to get promoted with any of our current CB's, the reality is they are going to have to develop and mature this coming season.

We currently have 6 on paper good CB's for the champ - Stephens (29), Bednarek (27), Lyanco (26), DCC (26), Salisu (24), ABK (21). 

I fancy we'll keep Stephens as he's always had the ability to carry the ball, Lyanco similar, and then one of the others - DCC was much hyped for his passing. ABK is an absolute athlete that would do very well for a year of regular playing at this level.

A player who went to the WC with Germany would do well playing at this level?

There's more chance of you being in the Saints squad come Sept 2nd than ABK.

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22 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

Cant believe anyone thinks we should keep him !

If we would already need to replace three (or more) CBs, there's no point in making it more. That said, even as a Lyanco fan, I've had about enough of him. I'm getting close with Bazunu too.

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I'm a fully paid up member of the Lyanco fan club, I like his commitment, he is a good ball player, quick for a CH and if given sufficient reign I reckon he'd score a few as well. Don't underestimate what a player like that does for team spirit or the crowd. When settled he reads the game well and we see good interceptions and calm shepherding of attackers away from the goal. He looks and acts like a player who should collect a load of yellows and reds. In reality he seems to walk the line quite well. Only 4 yellows last year. I suspect a fair bit of his chest thumping is an act.... some not!

However the moment he is exposed he panics, charges forward recklessly, or misplaces a rushed pass. If it was only occasionally then we'd have a great player on the books, but it happens every game far too frequently. He seems to be fine when he has a competent CH and FB next to him, he can do his job but he cannot cover others and that's when the problems start.

In the first two friendly games he seems to have regressed in even those aspects I like. Bottom line is he cannot be compared to the likes of Fonte or Lundekvam and that is what we need at the moment. I'd hoped that ABK would fulfil that role but so far we've only seen flashes of that, he'll be snapped up by a German side soon anyway.

I can't see Lyanco fitting into Martin's game plan at all, I think we can comfortably assume he will leave for a Turkish or Italian side pretty soon.

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30 minutes ago, macca155 said:

I'm a fully paid up member of the Lyanco fan club, I like his commitment, he is a good ball player, quick for a CH and if given sufficient reign I reckon he'd score a few as well. Don't underestimate what a player like that does for team spirit or the crowd. When settled he reads the game well and we see good interceptions and calm shepherding of attackers away from the goal. He looks and acts like a player who should collect a load of yellows and reds. In reality he seems to walk the line quite well. Only 4 yellows last year. I suspect a fair bit of his chest thumping is an act.... some not!

However the moment he is exposed he panics, charges forward recklessly, or misplaces a rushed pass. If it was only occasionally then we'd have a great player on the books, but it happens every game far too frequently. He seems to be fine when he has a competent CH and FB next to him, he can do his job but he cannot cover others and that's when the problems start.

In the first two friendly games he seems to have regressed in even those aspects I like. Bottom line is he cannot be compared to the likes of Fonte or Lundekvam and that is what we need at the moment. I'd hoped that ABK would fulfil that role but so far we've only seen flashes of that, he'll be snapped up by a German side soon anyway.

I can't see Lyanco fitting into Martin's game plan at all, I think we can comfortably assume he will leave for a Turkish or Italian side pretty soon.

I don't think he's ever been a particularly consistent ball player, he can do a random trick once in a blue moon but the most consistent attribute is him underhitting, overhitting or misplacing a pass and playing everyone into trouble.

You've described him perfectly there, and that's how he's always been. Too emotional, plays with his heart and not his head. And he's very limited ability wise. I really hope he goes as I think he will be a disaster in the Championship.

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I’m still of the opinion that our defence is not the most pressing problem and Lyanco is a good enough player for the Championship. With some focused training around the system Martin wants to play, there’s even an opportunity to improve further. We urgently need more of a goal threat to win games…no team wins games of football 0-0.

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Lyanco is honestly so poor. He’s lucky he gets pumped up otherwise he’d be playing for the likes of Pompey or Goztepe. Terrible on the ball, worst positioning i’ve ever seen in an outfield player. Going by the friendlies look forward to at least 3 Lyanco caused clear cut chances for the opposition per game. Rubbish. 

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1 hour ago, qwertyell said:

People are massively underrating the championship if they think a guy who cannot even do the basics of defending will be "fine" for this level. 

I think there are some who are massively overestimating the pull of Saints in the Championship to attract a backup CB better than Lyanco. As always with these scenarios, be very careful what you wish for.

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4 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

I think there are some who are massively overestimating the pull of Saints in the Championship to attract a backup CB better than Lyanco. As always with these scenarios, be very careful what you wish for.

We have 6 CBs, We have plenty of better options at CBs than Lyanco.

Providing We sign 1 CB that Russell wants, if we keep 2 of our 6 (Stephens/Bednarek) that is still better than keeping hold of Lyanco.

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3 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

We have 6 CBs, We have plenty of better options at CBs than Lyanco.

Providing We sign 1 CB that Russell wants, if we keep 2 of our 6 (Stephens/Bednarek) that is still better than keeping hold of Lyanco.

Bednarek and Stephens likely first choice, although my choice would be DCC instead of Stephens. Whatever, that’s one ‘spare’.

Salisu and ABK want out and are supposedly off (but no clear and firm interest yet).

That leaves Lyanco. As I say, I’m not confident we’ve got enough pulling power to get someone better than him. Interesting that he appears to have more suitors than the two alleged want-aways.

Dont get me wrong, if the money is there to attract a very good CB better than our current crop that would be preferable, but I don’t think that’s going to happen and it’s certainly not a section of the squad that needs extremely urgent attention (I.e. the strikers).

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9 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Bednarek and Stephens likely first choice, although my choice would be DCC instead of Stephens. Whatever, that’s one ‘spare’.

Salisu and ABK want out and are supposedly off (but no clear and firm interest yet).

That leaves Lyanco. As I say, I’m not confident we’ve got enough pulling power to get someone better than him. Interesting that he appears to have more suitors than the two alleged want-aways.

Dont get me wrong, if the money is there to attract a very good CB better than our current crop that would be preferable, but I don’t think that’s going to happen and it’s certainly not a section of the squad that needs extremely urgent attention (I.e. the strikers).

We are in talks now with a CB and he is definitely better than Lyanco, But for now we wait to shift some before we bring him in.

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