Lyanco

[Dellman]

  On 20/08/2021 at 16:23, danjosaint said:

No faith at all in the club or especially Ralph at the moment,  sad times,  on the plus side league1 and championship seasons were great

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Oh dear, you do sound depressed.It's been a good window so far, no reason to think we've suddenly gone back to the bad days. Just think how well we have done on our tiny budget to still be in the same league as teams who can spend hundreds of millions on copious players ans pay them accordingly. We can't but we're still in the same league. Does that make you smile and feel proud?

[RogtheDodge]

  On 20/08/2021 at 16:38, Shroppie said:

He was not making the starting lineup in a team that were very poor and finished 17th.

Unless we can see something that no-one else can, doesn't sound good.

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Seems more like someone who would agree to come to us rather than us being incredibly smart. I think our black box is broken!

 

[SaintTex]

this CB move better be in addition to and not the only.

[Baird of the land]

Doesn’t seem to offer the aerial ability we really crave with vestergaard gone. 

From the clips seems decent on the ball but i’m Struggling to see him as what’s neeðed.

[hypochondriac]

  On 20/08/2021 at 17:06, SaintTex said:

this CB move better be in addition to and not the only.

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Doesn't seem likely we'd spend 7 million on a backup does it. 

[hypochondriac]

  On 20/08/2021 at 16:59, Dellman said:

Oh dear, you do sound depressed.It's been a good window so far, no reason to think we've suddenly gone back to the bad days. Just think how well we have done on our tiny budget to still be in the same league as teams who can spend hundreds of millions on copious players ans pay them accordingly. We can't but we're still in the same league. Does that make you smile and feel proud?

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Well yes but that's largely because quite a few teams at the bottom have a similar budget to us. 

[SaintTex]

  On 20/08/2021 at 17:20, hypochondriac said:

Doesn't seem likely we'd spend 7 million on a backup does it. 

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7 million should be the going rate for a CB backup and not a starting CB...

....that is if the goal is to stay up.

Edited 20 August, 2021 by SaintTex

[egg]

  On 20/08/2021 at 15:07, Turkish said:

Doesnt every club have to pay these or is it just us?

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They do, but some clubs can absorb them, but skint clubs probably can't. If we've £45m of fees, £4.5m will probably go on loyalty payments, plus some on signing on fees, some on agents. In reality I suspect that £45m has turned into £35m. 

[East Kent Saint]

I predict he will turn out to be the new Socrates and we will win the Prem despite being lumbered with Ward -Prowse for 5 years .

[angelman]

Excellent - seems the forum is working properly and have written him off on the news he's flying in over the weekend to sign. 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

  On 20/08/2021 at 16:38, Shroppie said:

He was not making the starting lineup in a team that were very poor and finished 17th.

Unless we can see something that no-one else can, doesn't sound good.

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I have reservations too but Watford saw something in him as well

[Manuel]

  On 20/08/2021 at 16:38, Shroppie said:

He was not making the starting lineup in a team that were very poor and finished 17th.

Unless we can see something that no-one else can, doesn't sound good.

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Perhaps that was the problem.  Typical poor management, leaving the talent on the bench  

[AlexLaw76]

I do not care how much he costs or anything like that.

Just want him to be good enough to start almost immediately and be an obvious improvement.

 

[waylander]

  On 20/08/2021 at 17:20, Baird of the land said:

Doesn’t seem to offer the aerial ability we really crave with vestergaard gone. 

From the clips seems decent on the ball but i’m Struggling to see him as what’s neeðed.

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Vestergaard had aerial ability? I seem to have missed that watching his games for the past 2 seasons. He's tall, but he barely gets off the ground and is nowhere nar as dominant as he should be. Lyanco seems to have pace which is what we have really lacked at the back.

[Uncle Albert]

I’m sorry to say it but this worry’s me, it’s staring us in the face that he’s not great and is certainly not the best player we could have brought with the Vestergaard money, like I and others on here have already said we could and should of (in my opinion) have of reinvested the entirety of the Vestergaard money into a better and more experienced player, we cannot afford no scrimp and save in this position! Here’s hoping this lad proves me wrong and I’m not totally writing him off before he plays with us but he has a whiff of Hoedt about him. 

Edited 20 August, 2021 by Uncle Albert

[Turkish]

  On 20/08/2021 at 15:11, Matthew Le God said:

Yes they do, how is that relevant? Money from transfer incoming does not only go on new signing fees, it goes on everything else I listed.

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So everybody is in the same position then. So it’s totally relevant 

[Disco Stu]

Seems to be rapid, technically gifted, good range of passing, but questionable at defending. I can see why Ralph might like him because he's a good athlete. Enjoys dribbling the ball forward... A kamikaze defender for a kamikaze system. It looks like he probably should be a midfielder. Still, I wonder if he's the leader and organiser we need.

Edited 20 August, 2021 by Disco Stu

[Shroppie]

  On 20/08/2021 at 17:20, hypochondriac said:

Doesn't seem likely we'd spend 7 million on a backup does it. 

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They've said it's the last business

[Shroppie]

  On 20/08/2021 at 18:11, Disco Stu said:

Seems to be rapid, technically gifted, good range of passing, but questionable at defending. I can see why Ralph might like him because he's a good athlete. Enjoys dribbling the ball forward... A kamikaze defender for a kamikaze system. It looks like he probably should be a midfielder. Still, I wonder if he's the leader and organiser we need.

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I associate Brazilians with attacking flair, not solid defending.

[Shroppie]

  On 20/08/2021 at 17:46, Manuel said:

Perhaps that was the problem.  Typical poor management, leaving the talent on the bench  

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When he did start, they lost 7-0. At least it wasn't 9.

[SNSUN]

I know nothing of this fella, so have no comment. I guess we will have to hope Crocker etc know what they're doing. I hope we sign him AND one of Worrall or Adarabioyo, which would give us options and strength in depth. (And it would mean Salisu could fill in at left back if we don't bring in a back up.)

 

There are Carrillo style vibes around this one...

[Shroppie]

  On 20/08/2021 at 18:15, SNSUN said:

I know nothing of this fella, so have no comment. I guess we will have to hope Crocker etc know what they're doing. I hope we sign him AND one of Worrall or Adarabioyo, which would give us options and strength in depth. (And it would mean Salisu could fill in at left back if we don't bring in a back up.)

 

There are Carrillo style vibes around this one...

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As posted above, no more incoming after this.

[Matthew Le God]

  On 20/08/2021 at 18:15, SNSUN said:

There are Carrillo style vibes around this one...

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Why? 

- Carrillo is a former player of Pellegrino, Lyanco isn't a former player of Hasenhuttl's

- Carrillo cost a club record fee, Lycano is costing a relatively small £6m

[SNSUN]

  On 20/08/2021 at 18:23, Matthew Le God said:

Why? 

- Carrillo is a former player of Pellegrino, Lyanco isn't a former player of Hasenhuttl's

- Carrillo cost a club record fee, Lycano is costing a relatively small £6m

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I meant with the feeling amongst the forum users. Carrillo was almost universally panned on here and from what I've read, Lyanco seems to be going the same way!

 

Like I say I know nothing of him but from what it sounds like on here he's like a crap David Luiz. 😀 I look forward to seeing him prove us wrong. 

[Saint Matty 76]

  On 20/08/2021 at 18:23, Matthew Le God said:

Why? 

- Carrillo is a former player of Pellegrino, Lyanco isn't a former player of Hasenhuttl's

- Carrillo cost a club record fee, Lycano is costing a relatively small £6m

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Think he just means that there's nothing positive coming out of his existing clubs fans and he was a complete unknown to the rest of us, but you already knew that.

[Manuel]

  On 20/08/2021 at 18:15, Shroppie said:

When he did start, they lost 7-0. At least it wasn't 9.

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Yeah, I saw the vid.  As you say, hopefully we and Watford see something in him.  Clearly a gamble though.  

[Fan The Flames]

Maybe his dad has promised to sponsor the shirts.

[disconnect]

If he's 6 or 7 million and only a sub at his current (not very good) club, then I think the whole 'we're allowed to reinvest everything we bring in' is proven to be a load of rubbish. Unless this is a smokescreen for someone else coming in (clutching at straws)! The Croatian guy sounded like a much better bet, especially as it wouldnt have broken the bank... 

[Delmary]

Looks a waste of money. Hope this is not our main CB signing. If so, it’s going to be a long hard season.

[S-Clarke]

There are a lot of quick judgements on here. Let's be honest, hardly any one had heard of him this morning and all of a sudden we're all experts on his inability to add anything to us.

He may be great, he may be shit. No one actually knows. But he's a CB, we needed one of those. He's tall, we needed that. He's quick, we needed that too. He can play in CM if required or full back. We needed that too. He's cheap, we needed that too.

Not sure what everyone expected really, we were never spending 20m on a CB. Calata-Carr was the biggest non-event, we're not attractive to those levels of players at the moment.

This possibly leaves some funds for that highly rated left back to add even more squad depth. And we've also used some of our budget to renew JWP's contract too.

We don't have the experience we had last season, but we have a level of youthfulness in the squad that could either sink or swim. Impossible to say yet.

Edited 20 August, 2021 by S-Clarke

[Pamplemousse]

I trust the board on this one.

 

Welcome aboard Lyanco.

[badgerx16]

Vesty played in a far more leaky defence, yet Leicester saw enough in him to sign him. Hopefully our scouting has improved since the Hoedt/Lemina/Carillo days.

[Daft Kerplunk]

  On 20/08/2021 at 18:23, Shroppie said:

As posted above, no more incoming after this.

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I think there is going to be disappointment at this very likely reality

[AlexLaw76]

  On 20/08/2021 at 18:49, S-Clarke said:

 

This possibly leaves some funds for that highly rated left back to add even more squad depth. And we've also used some of our budget to renew JWP's contract too.

 

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No, this CB is the lot.

[davefizzy14]

  On 20/08/2021 at 18:49, S-Clarke said:

There are a lot of quick judgements on here. Let's be honest, hardly any one had heard of him this morning and all of a sudden we're all experts on his inability to add anything to us.

He may be great, he may be shit. No one actually knows. But he's a CB, we needed one of those. He's tall, we needed that. He's quick, we needed that too. He can play in CM if required or full back. We needed that too. He's cheap, we needed that too.

Not sure what everyone expected really, we were never spending 20m on a CB. Calata-Carr was the biggest non-event, we're not attractive to those levels of players at the moment.

This possibly leaves some funds for that highly rated left back to add even more squad depth. And we've also used some of our budget to renew JWP's contract too.

We don't have the experience we had last season, but we have a level of youthfulness in the squad that could either sink or swim. Impossible to say yet.

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Well Lequipe are reporting that Marseille would accept around 14m for Caleta-Car so that should be within our budget. 

[Trout-Tickler]

Does he have any international caps? Slightly surprised we would be able to get a work permit for him if he doesn't have any.

[whelk]

I have been waiting years for us to sign this fella. Brilliant news

[The Curse of St Mary's]

  On 20/08/2021 at 19:01, Trout-Tickler said:

Does he have any international caps? Slightly surprised we would be able to get a work permit for him if he doesn't have any.

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Club did indicate they would look at South American players due to change in rules since brexit 

[S-Clarke]

  On 20/08/2021 at 18:58, AlexLaw76 said:

No, this CB is the lot.

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There are still rumours of that young LB to come into the reserve team, I imagine some funds are being reserved for that.

People need to come round to the reality that we do not have a pot to piss in and we won't unless Gao sods off.

[Cartman]

  On 20/08/2021 at 18:27, Saint Matty 76 said:

Think he just means that there's nothing positive coming out of his existing clubs fans and he was a complete unknown to the rest of us, but you already knew that.

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To be fair signing Caleta-Car would be met with widespread approval on here but Marseille fans opinion of him is pretty negative, as was the opinion of Lyon fans when we signed Lovren and that worked out well despite him being a bellend.

Just wish us going cheap on this meant the club woke up and decided to spend the money on a GK after all. I'll be clutching that straw like my life depends on it until the end of the transfer window.

[Dellman]

  On 20/08/2021 at 18:51, Pamplemousse said:

I trust the board on this one.

 

Welcome aboard Lyanco.

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Glad to hear it! The Ralph-Crocker-Semmens combine has done us proud so far, without any owner support. They and the player deserve our support not criticism even before the guy has set foot in the country

[hypochondriac]

  On 20/08/2021 at 19:36, Dellman said:

Glad to hear it! The Ralph-Crocker-Semmens combine has done us proud so far, without any owner support. They and the player deserve our support not criticism even before the guy has set foot in the country

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But it is very annoying when people try to say that you can't make an initial judgement before you've seen a player play. The Livramento signing had universal support yet you can't express the opposite view whilst being open to change your mind once you've actually seen him for yourself? 

[stknowle]

Sorry, I work nights and have just got out of my lazy bed.  Is this Lyanco fella a definite signing then yeh yeh?  If so, how thoroughly fucking underwhelming.

[hypochondriac]

  On 20/08/2021 at 18:13, Shroppie said:

They've said it's the last business

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Where was that? 

[hypochondriac]

  On 20/08/2021 at 19:49, stknowle said:

Sorry, I work nights and have just got out of my lazy bed.  Is this Lyanco fella a definite signing then yeh yeh?  If so, how thoroughly fucking underwhelming.

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You aren't allowed to say that apparently. You were allowed to say the opposite for Armstrong and Livramento though. 

[ChrisPY]

Feels similar to Bednarek when he first signed in that it’s not a massive cost, probably won’t be expected to start straight away but a bit of raw talent that could be developed into a good Premier League player.

Had we not desperately needed a centre back, he’d have been considered a decent, low cost gamble. If we were to get an experienced CB on loan for this season as well then Lyanco would be worth the risk as an additional buy.

If we don’t sign another CB than we’re in a bit of trouble.

Edited 20 August, 2021 by ChrisPY

[ElTrinidad]

  On 20/08/2021 at 14:52, Turkish said:

Simple song for this one...

Lyanco, Lyanco, Lyanco, Lyanco etc etc etc

Tune of the old 'ere we go song famous on the terraces in the 70s, 80's and early 90s

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Give this man a Grammy 

[hypochondriac]

  On 20/08/2021 at 19:56, ChrisPY said:

Feels similar to Bednarek when he first signed in that it’s not a massive cost, probably won’t be expected to start straight away but a bit of raw talent that could be developed into a good Premier League player.

Had we not desperately needed a centre back, he’d have been considered a decent, low cost gamble. If we were to get an experienced CB on loan for this season as well then Lyanco would be worth the risk as an additional buy.

If we don’t sign another CB than we’re in a bit of trouble.

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Yep. This would have made sense if we had also got Cahill in on a short term contract. 

[hypochondriac]

  On 20/08/2021 at 18:23, Shroppie said:

As posted above, no more incoming after this.

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Where was this reported? 

[stknowle]

  On 20/08/2021 at 18:49, S-Clarke said:

There are a lot of quick judgements on here. Let's be honest, hardly any one had heard of him this morning and all of a sudden we're all experts on his inability to add anything to us.

He may be great, he may be shit. No one actually knows. But he's a CB, we needed one of those. He's tall, we needed that. He's quick, we needed that too. He can play in CM if required or full back. We needed that too. He's cheap, we needed that too.

Not sure what everyone expected really, we were never spending 20m on a CB. Calata-Carr was the biggest non-event, we're not attractive to those levels of players at the moment.

This possibly leaves some funds for that highly rated left back to add even more squad depth. And we've also used some of our budget to renew JWP's contract too.

We don't have the experience we had last season, but we have a level of youthfulness in the squad that could either sink or swim. Impossible to say yet.

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I wouldn't say I was expecting it, but I was HOPING we might actually pull off a signing that seemed impressive and made me think ok we're mixing it and we can compete to an extent, this Caleta-Car (sp) fella would have probably ticked that box. Anyway, let's see how we crack on with this Brazilian bloke that nobody has ever heard of.