tisspahars Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 Well, here we are folks - again. Will the people who have filled the last four editions of this with "we are 100% down" have learnt their lesson? Will those who assume that because we survived those we'll survive again be in for a nasty surprise? Opening salvo following the opening day defeat at Everton is 3/1 - the bedwetters will be astonished we're not odds-on already whilst those who see a team that topped the table last November and have added the Golden Boot winner elect and the greatest RB to ever play the game, will be surprised it doesn't have a nought after it. We shall see...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedantic Pete Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 One of the relegation spots has already been taken, according to the Arsenal fans I saw bedwetting on social media on Friday! At least we only have two places to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 7th most likely to be relegated as it stands, oddswise. We are still less likely than Watford, Brentford, Norwich, Palace, Newcastle and Burnley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisspahars Posted 22 August, 2021 Author Share Posted 22 August, 2021 Prices still settling after after the Man U game, but we have eased out to around 4/1...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 23 August, 2021 Share Posted 23 August, 2021 (edited) On 15/08/2021 at 12:18, TWar said: 7th most likely to be relegated as it stands, oddswise. We are still less likely than Watford, Brentford, Norwich, Palace, Newcastle and Burnley I would even stick my neck out and say that Wolves, Brighton, Villa and Leeds will not be that great this season, but not sure if we will be much better than them, but will not be far off each other. Edited 23 August, 2021 by Dr Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Corbyn Posted 23 August, 2021 Share Posted 23 August, 2021 If we can get our defence to play with any consistency then I think we should be fine. We have more about us than the 6 who have lower odds than us but we must be one of the most erratic teams in premier league history so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simster Posted 24 August, 2021 Share Posted 24 August, 2021 The only team I feel is nailed on to go down is Norwich and I fancy 2 from Watford, Burnley and Newcastle to join them. Watford are a bit naiive, Newcastle are crap, Burnley are surrounded by uncertainty after a recent takeover and have stalled for some time now. If they do get reinforcements I think they'll be OK, but it's a big if. Don't think Brentford will go down (I backed them to stay up at the start of the season and there is nothing to suggest that will change) - they are just too well run. You'll be fine too (even without strengthening I think you'll be 16th at worst), and we (Brighton) will be nowhere near the relegation places this season either IMO, although we need a left back and a goal scorer if we are to kick on significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 24 August, 2021 Share Posted 24 August, 2021 You've needed a goal scorer for a while now.. We know early season form can be deceptive but I think you'll be alright too. Perhaps Arsenal are this year's dark horse, although I don't see Arteta seeing the event.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simster Posted 24 August, 2021 Share Posted 24 August, 2021 2 minutes ago, suewhistle said: You've needed a goal scorer for a while now.. We know early season form can be deceptive but I think you'll be alright too. Perhaps Arsenal are this year's dark horse, although I don't see Arteta seeing the event.. Defensively we're as good as anyone in the bottom half, and we have Bissouma who is the best midfielder I've seen at the club - we won't keep hold of him for more than another year. Arsenal will be fine once they stiffen up their defence. They need a Bould/Adams type of player to take control of things at the back, playing alongside White. Even without that, they'll have far too much to get involved in a relegation fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 24 August, 2021 Share Posted 24 August, 2021 7 minutes ago, Simster said: Defensively we're as good as anyone in the bottom half, and we have Bissouma who is the best midfielder I've seen at the club - we won't keep hold of him for more than another year. Arsenal will be fine once they stiffen up their defence. They need a Bould/Adams type of player to take control of things at the back, playing alongside White. Even without that, they'll have far too much to get involved in a relegation fight. Didn’t you drop more points from winning positions than any other team last season? Would suggest if you sort that out, you don’t need a new goalscorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisspahars Posted 31 August, 2021 Author Share Posted 31 August, 2021 Eased a tiny bit to just north of 4/1 after throwing away two points/salvaging a point (delete as appropriate) at Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 August, 2021 Share Posted 31 August, 2021 I think we are strong enough this year tbh, added to the fact there should be enough below us to keep us safe; I think there’s plenty of potential candidates 👇 Norwich, Newcastle, Wolves, Saints, Brighton, Palace, Burnley, Watford, Brentford will all be there or there abouts and I think we have goals this year Norwich, Watford and Palace would be my picks with Burnley, Newcastle and maybe even Wolves if they continue their profligacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 31 August, 2021 Share Posted 31 August, 2021 1 minute ago, Smirking_Saint said: Norwich, Watford and Palace would be my picks with Burnley, Newcastle and maybe even Wolves if they continue their profligacy Well I just learnt a new word. I agree with your predictions though. I had Saints down as near-certain relegation fodder the minute Ings went, but the way we've played and gone about our business in the last couple of weeks has given me optimism. Keep the injuries at bay and I think we'll do ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 August, 2021 Share Posted 31 August, 2021 9 minutes ago, Manuel said: Well I just learnt a new word. I agree with your predictions though. I had Saints down as near-certain relegation fodder the minute Ings went, but the way we've played and gone about our business in the last couple of weeks has given me optimism. Keep the injuries at bay and I think we'll do ok. I was certainly worried but I think we have goals in us, especially if we can get S Armstrong back into the mix, we’ve been creative enough so far Our issue will be defensively and Im not convinced AT ALL that JS has turned any sort of consistent corner.. but we’ll see My ‘optimism’ is more to do with a lack of quality around us, I feel it could be another ‘we got away with it’ season and Ill take that !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singapore Saint Posted 31 August, 2021 Share Posted 31 August, 2021 On 15/08/2021 at 18:39, Pedantic Pete said: One of the relegation spots has already been taken, according to the Arsenal fans I saw bedwetting on social media on Friday! At least we only have two places to worry about. One does not bedwet when one is gone. It's when one has a glimmer of hope of survival that one bedwets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 31 August, 2021 Share Posted 31 August, 2021 1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said: I think we are strong enough this year tbh, added to the fact there should be enough below us to keep us safe; I think there’s plenty of potential candidates 👇 Norwich, Newcastle, Wolves, Saints, Brighton, Palace, Burnley, Watford, Brentford will all be there or there abouts and I think we have goals this year Norwich, Watford and Palace would be my picks with Burnley, Newcastle and maybe even Wolves if they continue their profligacy I think Wolves will be okay - their first three games were Leicester, Spurs and United. They should have got something at Leicester and certainly should have beaten United. I am expecting an 18th placed team to put up more of a fight this year though. Last seasons relegation battle was practically a foregone conclusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 31 August, 2021 Share Posted 31 August, 2021 Dave Stephens on Talksport gave the current betting on likely relegation candidates, and the 6 he named did NOT include Southampton. It must have irked him as a Pompey fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 31 August, 2021 Share Posted 31 August, 2021 I think we have a weaker team, but a stronger squad which I think will see us good as it gets to Christmas time. Last season when Inges was out we missed him big time. Also very early days but I think our new signings look pretty handy, but only time will tell. Another centre back would be nice. I think Norwich, Watford and Newcastle will go down, but the below will all finish below us. Wolves, Brentford, Brighton, Palace and Burnley. With Leeds and Villa on par and not much between us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 1 September, 2021 Share Posted 1 September, 2021 For what it's worth, All 3 of the NBC commentators here in America (Robbie Earle, Robbie Mustoe, and Tim Howard) predicted these 3 clubs to be relegated on the broadcast here yesterday: Norwich, Southampton, Watford unshockingly, they all picked Chelsea, Liverpool, City, United as final top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisspahars Posted 14 September, 2021 Author Share Posted 14 September, 2021 Out a little more to 5/1 after the point against West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 14 September, 2021 Share Posted 14 September, 2021 On 31/08/2021 at 15:43, adriansfc said: Hard to know how to view it. We have a better squad than a fair few teams. We haven't looked like going down since the Pellegrino/Hughes season. But McCarthy can't keep a clean sheet (He just did) and it's stopping us winning any games. It all depends how that goes. Is 2021 so far just a bad form/bad luck tale, or was the form before that the blip? Our first 5 fixtures this season's corresponding games last year brought us 1 point. So we're doing better than then with West Ham and City to come. For Saints, Goodison Park, St James and the Emirates is as bad as it gets really to start the away season. I think we'll be alright. We'll beat plenty of bottom half teams at home and give most of them a game away. Should pick up 40-45 points. But fans always seem to forget that 14th-17th are pretty rubbish and lose a lot of games each season. All the 'we're down' stuff gets pretty ridiculous. Norwich will go. Watford will struggle to stay up but have a couple of useful players. Burnley might finally run out of luck. Palace, Newcastle and Brighton will probably just about do enough but lose a lot of games. Brentford who knows, could well have a poor run at some point and be sucked into it. 7th favourites for the drop sounds about right for Saints. Norwich are a bit of an enigma, too good for the Championship yet falling at the first hurdle every time in the PL. They never seem able to kick on from their great performances of the previous seasons like Wolves, Leeds and others have done. You'd have to say on current form that they are dead certs for the drop. WBA are much in the same mould but that's for next year. Watford, I'm no so sure. At times they can play some brilliant stuff. I have a feeling that Wolves may struggle along with Newcastle & Leeds both of whom seem to have weak defences. Saints will finish 13th. Burnley as always will survive one place below us. Relegation? Norwich, Newcastle, Brighton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 14 September, 2021 Share Posted 14 September, 2021 44 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: Norwich are a bit of an enigma, too good for the Championship yet falling at the first hurdle every time in the PL. They never seem able to kick on from their great performances of the previous seasons like Wolves, Leeds and others have done. You'd have to say on current form that they are dead certs for the drop. WBA are much in the same mould but that's for next year. Watford, I'm no so sure. At times they can play some brilliant stuff. I have a feeling that Wolves may struggle along with Newcastle & Leeds both of whom seem to have weak defences. Saints will finish 13th. Burnley as always will survive one place below us. Relegation? Norwich, Newcastle, Brighton Brighton will not be relegated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Corbyn Posted 14 September, 2021 Share Posted 14 September, 2021 Norwich have had quite a difficult start (Liverpool, City, Leicester, Arsenal) so you never know they might do something when it eases. Interestingly, no relegated team has gotten over 34 points in the last 5 seasons, I assume because the big clubs are hoovering up ever more points, but it does suggest the threshold for safety has dropped and we're only 10(ish) wins away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted 14 September, 2021 Share Posted 14 September, 2021 31 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said: Interestingly, no relegated team has gotten over 34 points in the last 5 seasons, I assume because the big clubs are hoovering up ever more points, but it does suggest the threshold for safety has dropped and we're only 10(ish) wins away. Only 10 wins - how many league games have we won this year.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Corbyn Posted 14 September, 2021 Share Posted 14 September, 2021 5 minutes ago, IFHP said: Only 10 wins - how many league games have we won this year.................... Before or after our win at the Etihad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 14 September, 2021 Share Posted 14 September, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said: Norwich are a bit of an enigma, too good for the Championship yet falling at the first hurdle every time in the PL. They never seem able to kick on from their great performances of the previous seasons like Wolves, Leeds and others have done. You'd have to say on current form that they are dead certs for the drop. WBA are much in the same mould but that's for next year. Watford, I'm no so sure. At times they can play some brilliant stuff. I have a feeling that Wolves may struggle along with Newcastle & Leeds both of whom seem to have weak defences. Saints will finish 13th. Burnley as always will survive one place below us. Relegation? Norwich, Newcastle, Brighton Brighton are not getting relegated!! Not unless Potter is poached pronto. Saints aren't getting relegated. We've not been involved in and end of season/final game scrap with Ralph so far - and having us clear before the final game of the season that first season was a miracle tbh - i thought we were done under Hughes. Regardless, its certainly not going to happen this year. Edited 14 September, 2021 by Saint86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 September, 2021 Share Posted 14 September, 2021 10 wins is plenty for the last twenty years or so and absolutely plenty when you look at the last few years. I look forward to the annual shitting of pants around us needing 40 points but its been a long time since that was needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 14 September, 2021 Share Posted 14 September, 2021 38 minutes ago, IFHP said: Only 10 wins - how many league games have we won this year.................... The way this season is going we'll probably with 4 or 5 but get enough draws to stay up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 14 September, 2021 Share Posted 14 September, 2021 37 is the new 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 September, 2021 Share Posted 14 September, 2021 8 minutes ago, jamesfp1 said: 37 is the new 40 Does that apply to women too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 15 September, 2021 Share Posted 15 September, 2021 19 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: Does that apply to women too? Ooh! Ice is a bit thin there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 September, 2021 Share Posted 15 September, 2021 7 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: Ooh! Ice is a bit thin there. I was thinking more about size than age but the one advantage of getting old and being ignored is that you can say what you think 🤗 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 September, 2021 Share Posted 15 September, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, jamesfp1 said: 37 is the new 40 It is lower than that! 2020/21 you could stay up with 28 points 2019/20 you could stay up with 34 points 2018/19 you could stay up with 34 points 2017/18 you could stay up with 33 points 2016/17 you could stay up with 34 points Edited 15 September, 2021 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 15 September, 2021 Share Posted 15 September, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: It is lower than that! 2020/21 you could stay up with 28 points 2019/20 you could stay up with 34 points 2018/19 you could stay up with 34 points 2017/18 you could stay up with 33 points 2016/17 you could stay up with 34 points That was the points the 18th team had each season, you needed to better that to stay up ( which I know you'll now point out you could still stay up on those points as long as your goal difference was better but that's cutting too fine for a safety target) Personally setting a points target can be a dangerous game, it depends on other team's results. I'd prefer it if we aimed for safe by game 35 for the sake of our blood pressure.. Weird to think with hindsight we were actually safe in early January last year, we just didn't know it. Edited 15 September, 2021 by Wurzel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 15 September, 2021 Share Posted 15 September, 2021 8 minutes ago, Wurzel said: Personally setting a points target can be a dangerous game, it depends on other team's results. I'd prefer it if we aimed for safe by game 35 for the sake of our blood pressure. It’s all largely nonsense anyway. All you can realistically do is try and win each game, or maybe get a point against certain teams. You go into a season with 114 points to play for and you get what you get. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisspahars Posted 19 September, 2021 Author Share Posted 19 September, 2021 We continue to inch out - now 11/2 after the admirable point yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 21 September, 2021 Share Posted 21 September, 2021 If only we had 6 of the Burnley players in our team - the sort of footballing legends that Turkish, for one, is clear are far better than the current Saints players - I'm sure we'd be safe already.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisspahars Posted 27 September, 2021 Author Share Posted 27 September, 2021 Just north of 4/1 following the Wolves defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisspahars Posted 4 October, 2021 Author Share Posted 4 October, 2021 9/2 after losing at Stamford Bridge..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisspahars Posted 19 October, 2021 Author Share Posted 19 October, 2021 Out to a season-high 6/1 following the win against Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisspahars Posted 31 October, 2021 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2021 Out to a whopping 9/1 after the win at Watford. Worth remembering these prices imo as although I very much doubt anyone will come on and say that is unbelievable value on a team that was always going down, you can bet your life if we lose a couple in a row they will say they did.....😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisspahars Posted 7 November, 2021 Author Share Posted 7 November, 2021 14/1 after beating Villa......😵 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 7 November, 2021 Share Posted 7 November, 2021 I would be more optimistic this season. The defence is better and the Ings sale now looks like a very good bit of business. 14/1 does though offer some value when we have a bad run of fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Malvo Posted 8 November, 2021 Share Posted 8 November, 2021 13 hours ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said: I would be more optimistic this season. The defence is better and the Ings sale now looks like a very good bit of business. 14/1 does though offer some value when we have a bad run of fixtures. Would hold out until the win against Norwich then put your insurance bet on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 8 November, 2021 Share Posted 8 November, 2021 19 hours ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said: I would be more optimistic this season. The defence is better and the Ings sale now looks like a very good bit of business. 14/1 does though offer some value when we have a bad run of fixtures. I'm sure the likes of Lord Ducky, SKDman, AlexLaw, et al, would have doubled down at those odds, in the anticipation of a luxury holiday next summer. Madness for them not too, seeing how certain they are of our relegation this season. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisspahars Posted 1 December, 2021 Author Share Posted 1 December, 2021 Around 10/1 ahead of tonight's game following the loss at Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Corbyn Posted 1 December, 2021 Share Posted 1 December, 2021 2 hours ago, tisspahars said: Around 10/1 ahead of tonight's game following the loss at Liverpool. Seems a touch generous. I would put us in the "probably wont go down" bracket and no more than 5/1, but maybe I'm too pessimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted 1 December, 2021 Share Posted 1 December, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said: Seems a touch generous. I would put us in the "probably wont go down" bracket and no more than 5/1, but maybe I'm too pessimistic. Price relates to money laid not our chances. Just bookies making a book. Soon go down if people take that price. Bookies like an edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali-shorts Posted 1 December, 2021 Share Posted 1 December, 2021 This link a useful source to forecast finishing points/positions. Has us to finish 15th on 44 points. Investments can go up as well as down etc etc. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/premier-league/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Corbyn Posted 1 December, 2021 Share Posted 1 December, 2021 24 minutes ago, macca155 said: Price relates to money laid not our chances. Just bookies making a book. Soon go down if people take that price. Bookies like an edge. Ah, I thought gambling odds were randomly chosen using a tombola. Thanks for putting me right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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