Saints Rainbow Shirt

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, JRM said:

I think we must work with the same PR agency as Marcus Rashford. 

A service based diversity business is an absolute money spinner. Much like the health and safety paranoia that sets in with every company after a disaster means they’ll spend a fortune on these sort of things to appear to be doing the right thing. When I set up my diversity consultantancy business not only will be take full advantage of this gap in the market we would name and shame every company who we approach who refused to deal with us, claiming they are not interested in diversity. I reckon the sun or mail would be pay a fortune for a list of companies and individuals who declined to work with a company specialising in diversity and promotion of equal rights and pay for all groups. 

[Barsiem]

Mural looks amazing 😍 well done Saints & Hummel

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

15 hours ago, Turkish said:

Just in case anyone had forgotten we now have a permanent reminder 👏👏👏👏

That bridge has needed a new coat of paint for a long time, glad to see it has been done, and with such a positive message and design!

Good job Saints

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

That bridge has needed a new coat of paint for a long time, glad to see it has been done, and with such a positive message and design!

Good job Saints

Not sure it's a positive message, it's an anti negative message. A positive message would have been "Welcome in Southampton LGBT+" "Southampton embraces our LGBT+ Friends" Whilst well intentioned it sends out more of a negative spin in that it's saying what people shouldn't do, not what they should do. In truth it's entry level marketing, not punchy enough and doesn't really resonate with it's intended audience.

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Not sure it's a positive message, it's an anti negative message. A positive message would have been "Welcome in Southampton LGBT+" "Southampton embraces our LGBT+ Friends" Whilst well intentioned it sends out more of a negative spin in that it's saying what people shouldn't do, not what they should do. In truth it's entry level marketing, not punchy enough and doesn't really resonate with it's intended audience.

I understand what you mean about the possibility of using an outright positive message, but the club does that with its support of Pride and the Rainbow shirts (inclusivity based marketing). This seems to be aimed more at addressing the issue of homophobia, so needs to be anti-negative. It is seeking to directly confront the homophobia that does exist in football and society by addressing it directly.

Perhaps the club should take your advice and put a second mural in place, elsewhere in the city, where it is positively reinforces the inclusivity of the club and city. Shall I write to the club on our behalf and let them know?

As to whether the mural "resonates with the intended audience", I am glad to hear you've checked with the designer as to their intended audience, and then also polled those individuals to see how much it resonates with them. Perhaps you could enlighten us all as to how you've reached this conclusion. Having seen your discussions with other forum members on other posts you have asked for sources and factual basis for their opinions, so surely you have some here?

[Saint Troy]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

Not sure it's a positive message, it's an anti negative message. A positive message would have been "Welcome in Southampton LGBT+" "Southampton embraces our LGBT+ Friends" Whilst well intentioned it sends out more of a negative spin in that it's saying what people shouldn't do, not what they should do. In truth it's entry level marketing, not punchy enough and doesn't really resonate with it's intended audience.

So to be clear..... A sign that said "We welcome homophobes" would not be a negative message?

[Saints4Prem]

Sorry only had time to go back 4 pages on this "Saints Rainbow Shirt" thread did anyone ever manage to get any copies made? 

[whelk]

10 hours ago, Turkish said:

A service based diversity business is an absolute money spinner. Much like the health and safety paranoia that sets in with every company after a disaster means they’ll spend a fortune on these sort of things to appear to be doing the right thing. When I set up my diversity consultantancy business not only will be take full advantage of this gap in the market we would name and shame every company who we approach who refused to deal with us, claiming they are not interested in diversity. I reckon the sun or mail would be pay a fortune for a list of companies and individuals who declined to work with a company specialising in diversity and promotion of equal rights and pay for all groups. 

I’d pay top dollar for you to come and talk to my staff about diversity (now referred to as inclusion). Would need to be Turkish himself though.

[Turkish]

Introducing Rainbow Saints | Southampton FC

 

No BAMEs that are LGBT in Southampton?

[adrian lord]

"...how the supporter group...aim to create a safe space for LGBTQ+ supporters."

So currently there are unsafe spaces at St Mary's for LGBTQ+ supporters? Crikey. Where are they? What were the injuries? Where will this desperately-needed safe space be? Presumably some segregated bit, perhaps resplendent with rainbow seats? What about other oppressed minorities? Don't they also need safe spaces? We could have distinct, segregated areas for LGBTQ+, BAMEs. Oh but then there's the intersectionality matters to worry about. You'd need a BAME sub-area in the LGBTQ+ section. 

Given the cost of going to football dictates that it is now largely a middle class, degree-educated pastime, one of the most urgent - yet smallest - safe spaces required is the one for white working class youths. 

 

Edited 29 November, 2021 by adrian lord

[jawillwill]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

Introducing Rainbow Saints | Southampton FC

 

No BAMEs that are LGBT in Southampton?

Saw this on Facebook earlier. My first thought was "when will Turkish post about it on SWF?".

[SaintsLoyal]

Peak wokism, why do these people have to bring sexuality into it all ?

Ive watched football for what four decades and never thought or cared about the sexuality of who was standing next to me.

I note one of these so called founders only attended his first game a couple of weeks ago ! LOL

If you want to treat people the same be that sexuality or color of skin, you dont have these pr 'grouping' gimmicks that puts targets on them.

[WFTJM89]

36 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Peak wokism, why do these people have to bring sexuality into it all ?

Ive watched football for what four decades and never thought or cared about the sexuality of who was standing next to me.

I note one of these so called founders only attended his first game a couple of weeks ago ! LOL

If you want to treat people the same be that sexuality or color of skin, you dont have these pr 'grouping' gimmicks that puts targets on them.

Hey 'SaintsLoyal'.

You're right, I did only attend my first match at the beginning of November. I've been following Saints since 2009. I've been listening to or watching matches since 2014. I've wanted for so long to go to a match - especially when I lived down the road off Oxford Street. But I could never find anyone to go with. I think you'll agree it would have been a pretty naff experience to go alone. And in case you're not overly aware, it's surprisingly difficult to find straight mates outside of work when you're a gay like me. So all my attempts over the years to find anyone interested to go to a match with me (family members who do football are Spurs fans, boo) were unsuccessful. I'm sure you don't begrudge me finally making it - and loving it - even if it needed a visible group to allow me to do so.

 

3 hours ago, adrian lord said:

"...how the supporter group...aim to create a safe space for LGBTQ+ supporters."

So currently there are unsafe spaces at St Mary's for LGBTQ+ supporters? Crikey. Where are they? What were the injuries? Where will this desperately-needed safe space be? Presumably some segregated bit, perhaps resplendent with rainbow seats? What about other oppressed minorities? Don't they also need safe spaces? We could have distinct, segregated areas for LGBTQ+, BAMEs. Oh but then there's the intersectionality matters to worry about. You'd need a BAME sub-area in the LGBTQ+ section. 

Given the cost of going to football dictates that it is now largely a middle class, degree-educated pastime, one of the most urgent - yet smallest - safe spaces required is the one for white working class youths. 

 

And in response to the posts mocking the idea of safe-space. Today, when the club announced the partnership across social media, we have variously been called a lovely selection of things including 'disgusting', 'paedophiles', and my personal favourite, 'the sons of Satan and Horror of Creation'. It might not seem much to you, but it can be quite exhausting and disheartening - although sometimes they do make me chuckle (like that last one).

Fortunately, the Club have been absolutely wonderful and already banned several fans from attending matches. It's nice to know they are serious about wanting to cultivate a better, friendlier environment, even if some fans aren't.

 

PS we as a group are very aware that we have thus far fallen into the 'privileged white people' group; unfortunately it's really hard to find people when they'd have to go looking quite hard. But I can happily report that being announced by the club has seen our membership treble. I do hope we will soon be able to post pictures with BAME members. In the mean time, I encourage you to consider that there might be people in your family and friend circles who would be pleased to watch you grow into a better person, if you could only stop being such snowflakes and instead join with us to make St. Mary's a truly wonderful place.

God bless 💛

Edited 29 November, 2021 by WFTJM89

[hypochondriac]

9 hours ago, WFTJM89 said:

Hey 'SaintsLoyal'.

You're right, I did only attend my first match at the beginning of November. I've been following Saints since 2009. I've been listening to or watching matches since 2014. I've wanted for so long to go to a match - especially when I lived down the road off Oxford Street. But I could never find anyone to go with. I think you'll agree it would have been a pretty naff experience to go alone. And in case you're not overly aware, it's surprisingly difficult to find straight mates outside of work when you're a gay like me. So all my attempts over the years to find anyone interested to go to a match with me (family members who do football are Spurs fans, boo) were unsuccessful. I'm sure you don't begrudge me finally making it - and loving it - even if it needed a visible group to allow me to do so.

 

And in response to the posts mocking the idea of safe-space. Today, when the club announced the partnership across social media, we have variously been called a lovely selection of things including 'disgusting', 'paedophiles', and my personal favourite, 'the sons of Satan and Horror of Creation'. It might not seem much to you, but it can be quite exhausting and disheartening - although sometimes they do make me chuckle (like that last one).

Fortunately, the Club have been absolutely wonderful and already banned several fans from attending matches. It's nice to know they are serious about wanting to cultivate a better, friendlier environment, even if some fans aren't.

 

PS we as a group are very aware that we have thus far fallen into the 'privileged white people' group; unfortunately it's really hard to find people when they'd have to go looking quite hard. But I can happily report that being announced by the club has seen our membership treble. I do hope we will soon be able to post pictures with BAME members. In the mean time, I encourage you to consider that there might be people in your family and friend circles who would be pleased to watch you grow into a better person, if you could only stop being such snowflakes and instead join with us to make St. Mary's a truly wonderful place.

God bless 💛

Why would you need a group to allow you to attend? I've been on my own loads of times (I went to the Villa game on my own for example.) Very unfortunate that trolls on social media are calling you unkind things, sadly this is something that many people of all ethnicities and all walks of life have to suffer once they have a profile. Still not sure why you need a safe space, I'd suggest blocking the idiots and moving on. 

I hope you get to enjoy more games but I suspect a lot of people won't be interested in identity politics groups that seek to divide fellow fans. I'm happy for saints to be inclusive of all fans. 

[The Cat]

9 hours ago, WFTJM89 said:

Hey 'SaintsLoyal'.

You're right, I did only attend my first match at the beginning of November. I've been following Saints since 2009. I've been listening to or watching matches since 2014. I've wanted for so long to go to a match - especially when I lived down the road off Oxford Street. But I could never find anyone to go with. I think you'll agree it would have been a pretty naff experience to go alone. And in case you're not overly aware, it's surprisingly difficult to find straight mates outside of work when you're a gay like me. So all my attempts over the years to find anyone interested to go to a match with me (family members who do football are Spurs fans, boo) were unsuccessful. I'm sure you don't begrudge me finally making it - and loving it - even if it needed a visible group to allow me to do so.

 

And in response to the posts mocking the idea of safe-space. Today, when the club announced the partnership across social media, we have variously been called a lovely selection of things including 'disgusting', 'paedophiles', and my personal favourite, 'the sons of Satan and Horror of Creation'. It might not seem much to you, but it can be quite exhausting and disheartening - although sometimes they do make me chuckle (like that last one).

Fortunately, the Club have been absolutely wonderful and already banned several fans from attending matches. It's nice to know they are serious about wanting to cultivate a better, friendlier environment, even if some fans aren't.

 

PS we as a group are very aware that we have thus far fallen into the 'privileged white people' group; unfortunately it's really hard to find people when they'd have to go looking quite hard. But I can happily report that being announced by the club has seen our membership treble. I do hope we will soon be able to post pictures with BAME members. In the mean time, I encourage you to consider that there might be people in your family and friend circles who would be pleased to watch you grow into a better person, if you could only stop being such snowflakes and instead join with us to make St. Mary's a truly wonderful place.

God bless 💛

Pretty mad that people feel the need to abuse others in that way. I'd like to say I can't believe some of those comments but sadly I can. 

As for going to games on your own, I don't think there's anything out of the ordinary in that. I've done it, I remember the Championship relegation season when everyone sacked games off because we were awful and the club was in a mess. Reckon I went to about 6 by myself that season. I have even gone to the odd away game on my own when mates haven't been able to make it.

People moaning about the safe space is ridiculous. The club routinely give up areas to groups of supporters. It's not like we sell out most games anyway so no one is depriving anyone else of a ticket in that way. I agree ticket prices put games out of financial reach of some people but that's a different argument.

Good luck with everything. 

[CB Fry]

10 hours ago, WFTJM89 said:

Hey 'SaintsLoyal'.

You're right, I did only attend my first match at the beginning of November. I've been following Saints since 2009. I've been listening to or watching matches since 2014. I've wanted for so long to go to a match - especially when I lived down the road off Oxford Street. But I could never find anyone to go with. I think you'll agree it would have been a pretty naff experience to go alone. And in case you're not overly aware, it's surprisingly difficult to find straight mates outside of work when you're a gay like me. So all my attempts over the years to find anyone interested to go to a match with me (family members who do football are Spurs fans, boo) were unsuccessful. I'm sure you don't begrudge me finally making it - and loving it - even if it needed a visible group to allow me to do so.

 

And in response to the posts mocking the idea of safe-space. Today, when the club announced the partnership across social media, we have variously been called a lovely selection of things including 'disgusting', 'paedophiles', and my personal favourite, 'the sons of Satan and Horror of Creation'. It might not seem much to you, but it can be quite exhausting and disheartening - although sometimes they do make me chuckle (like that last one).

Fortunately, the Club have been absolutely wonderful and already banned several fans from attending matches. It's nice to know they are serious about wanting to cultivate a better, friendlier environment, even if some fans aren't.

 

PS we as a group are very aware that we have thus far fallen into the 'privileged white people' group; unfortunately it's really hard to find people when they'd have to go looking quite hard. But I can happily report that being announced by the club has seen our membership treble. I do hope we will soon be able to post pictures with BAME members. In the mean time, I encourage you to consider that there might be people in your family and friend circles who would be pleased to watch you grow into a better person, if you could only stop being such snowflakes and instead join with us to make St. Mary's a truly wonderful place.

God bless 💛

I've been to countless football matches alone, I don't think it is a particularly difficult thing to do (accept I am a 40 something white man).

I don't know your circumstances but I would say its pretty easy to turn up to a game, watch it and leave alone without anyone even noticing. Especially day time matches if you are worried about safety.

You might even meet someone new there.

I think you should give it a go - good luck to you.

 

Edited 30 November, 2021 by CB Fry

[JRM]

To be honest I don't think most people care what you get up to in the bedroom or what your skin colour is, for those 90 mins if you're in the ground supporting the team then you're just the same as everyone else, that's the only criteria, nothing else really matters, it's not compulsory to attend games with other people of the same sexual preferences. 

[Turkish]

Im another one in the been to games on my own camp. Especially when i first moved up north and didn't really know anyone. Often this included a long train journey on my own or driving, I even travelled to Milan on my own for the game there, admittedly met up with people out there but it was fine, got chatting to other saints fans at Manchester airport and sat next to a Saints fan on the flight back and we've stayed in touch via facebook. It really isn't that bad. 

As JRM says i'm yet to meet anyone who really cares or even notices if anyone near them is gay, black or whatever despite the massive hype about needing safe areas and groups to go to matches with isn't that just making an issue out of something that isn't really an issue? 

 

[TWar]

15 minutes ago, JRM said:

To be honest I don't think most people care what you get up to in the bedroom or what your skin colour is, for those 90 mins if you're in the ground supporting the team then you're just the same as everyone else, that's the only criteria, nothing else really matters, it's not compulsory to attend games with other people of the same sexual preferences. 

I'd agree most don't, but it only takes a couple to ruin your day.

I've been to a couple of matches alone too, it was fine and I had a good time. I don't blame someone for not wanting to though, especially if they had had bad experiences in the past.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Why would you need a group to allow you to attend? I've been on my own loads of times (I went to the Villa game on my own for example.) Very unfortunate that trolls on social media are calling you unkind things, sadly this is something that many people of all ethnicities and all walks of life have to suffer once they have a profile. Still not sure why you need a safe space, I'd suggest blocking the idiots and moving on. 

I hope you get to enjoy more games but I suspect a lot of people won't be interested in identity politics groups that seek to divide fellow fans. I'm happy for saints to be inclusive of all fans. 

To be honest though and whilst it's not the politically correct answer if you dont want to get a bit of grief off some anonymous bellend on social media probably best you dont go on there. For every 1m people on twitter there will always be one or two "comedians" who think it's hilarious to call someone a name from miles away.

[WFTJM89]

A 'safe space' is not necessarily a physical space 😂 It's not about getting a dedicated rainbow bit of St Mary's to segregate us at all.

It's just about having a space for a particular community that is part of the fan base to meet, talk, discuss things football as well as outside of that, bring issues to the club, get together for social events, and work with the club and the league to make the sport more friendly to those who are not the majority.

And in case no-one realises, Saints were the only top division team without this group. We're well behind the curve and late to the party on this.

I do genuinely hope that I might some day meet some of you and we'll have a laugh and a pint and shout at shit reffing together and rejoice when we score and be bitter and petty when we concede.

[The Left Back]

55 minutes ago, Turkish said:

To be honest though and whilst it's not the politically correct answer if you dont want to get a bit of grief off some anonymous bellend on social media probably best you dont go on there. For every 1m people on twitter there will always be one or two "comedians" who think it's hilarious to call someone a name from miles away.

I've pretty much given up on twitter.  I'm sure there's stuff worth reading on there but it's hard to find among the rabid, the vacuous and the advertorial.  

9 minutes ago, WFTJM89 said:

A 'safe space' is not necessarily a physical space 😂 It's not about getting a dedicated rainbow bit of St Mary's to segregate us at all.

It's just about having a space for a particular community that is part of the fan base to meet, talk, discuss things football as well as outside of that, bring issues to the club, get together for social events, and work with the club and the league to make the sport more friendly to those who are not the majority.

And in case no-one realises, Saints were the only top division team without this group. We're well behind the curve and late to the party on this.

I do genuinely hope that I might some day meet some of you and we'll have a laugh and a pint and shout at shit reffing together and rejoice when we score and be bitter and petty when we concede.

Glad you clarified that, I could sense some tension building up.  Good luck with the group.  I agree with others about attending football alone.  At various times I've gone to various games (not just Saints) alone and have always enjoyed the experience.  Has one bad experience in the early 80's going to Port Vale v Hull (don't ask) but the fact that I can only recall that says a lot.

[Millbrook Saint]

1 hour ago, WFTJM89 said:

A 'safe space' is not necessarily a physical space 😂 It's not about getting a dedicated rainbow bit of St Mary's to segregate us at all.

It's just about having a space for a particular community that is part of the fan base to meet, talk, discuss things football as well as outside of that, bring issues to the club, get together for social events, and work with the club and the league to make the sport more friendly to those who are not the majority.

And in case no-one realises, Saints were the only top division team without this group. We're well behind the curve and late to the party on this.

I do genuinely hope that I might some day meet some of you and we'll have a laugh and a pint and shout at shit reffing together and rejoice when we score and be bitter and petty when we concede.

Not really sure what you're expecting, most people don't care what you get up to in the bedroom and wouldn't treat you any differently from the next person, wanting and expecting the club to setup specific spaces for different communities to meet and talk is ridiculous, what do you want a space setup for asian people, one for gingers, one for fat people, one for caribbean people, one for africans, or shall we all just have a single community of saints fans regardless of colour or sexual preference, I know what I'd prefer.  What you want just causes division and more hatred.

If you're so adamant you want your own community set up a group on facebook, you can then invite who you like, but don't expect the club to pander to it.

 

Edited 30 November, 2021 by Millbrook Saint

[hypochondriac]

37 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

Not really sure what you're expecting, most people don't care what you get up to in the bedroom and wouldn't treat you any differently from the next person, wanting and expecting the club to setup specific spaces for different communities to meet and talk is ridiculous, what do you want a space setup for asian people, one for gingers, one for fat people, one for caribbean people, one for africans, or shall we all just have a single community of saints fans regardless of colour or sexual preference, I know what I'd prefer.  What you want just causes division and more hatred.

If you're so adamant you want your own community set up a group on facebook, you can then invite who you like, but don't expect the club to pander to it.

 

Indeed. My wife is half Arabic. She'd be a minority under that definition. Should we have safe spaces at the club for those who are of Arabic descent? Or should we just have no discrimination and everyone be welcomed together by the commonalities we share which is our support for the club? 

[Jeremy Corbyn]

56 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Indeed. My wife is half Arabic. She'd be a minority under that definition. Should we have safe spaces at the club for those who are of Arabic descent? Or should we just have no discrimination and everyone be welcomed together by the commonalities we share which is our support for the club? 

Fuckin' hell, I really don't think you're this dim.  You do realise saying "should we just have no discrimination" doesn't make it so?

There are still problems with homophobia in football, even if things are getting better, and if the club does things to support the LGBT community, be it through murals or safe spaces or whatever, then it's a good thing.  Not really sure what people are trying to achieve by objecting to it.

And as for the "I haven't seen anything" crowd, get yourselves back to school and understand the difference between "I haven't seen" and "It doesn't happen".

[hypochondriac]

4 hours ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Fuckin' hell, I really don't think you're this dim.  You do realise saying "should we just have no discrimination" doesn't make it so?

There are still problems with homophobia in football, even if things are getting better, and if the club does things to support the LGBT community, be it through murals or safe spaces or whatever, then it's a good thing.  Not really sure what people are trying to achieve by objecting to it.

And as for the "I haven't seen anything" crowd, get yourselves back to school and understand the difference between "I haven't seen" and "It doesn't happen".

Where did I ever say that discrimination doesn't happen? You've made that up. It doesn't follow that any initiative to supposedly combat discrimination is a good thing if it is counterproductive. Dividing fans up along the lines of race, gender or sex is not a good thing in my opinion and leads to more division. 

[jawillwill]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Where did I ever say that discrimination doesn't happen? You've made that up. It doesn't follow that any initiative to supposedly combat discrimination is a good thing if it is counterproductive. Dividing fans up along the lines of race, gender or sex is not a good thing in my opinion and leads to more division. 

Who has been divided up?

[whelk]

I reckon it should be split up more add to the tension and atmosphere. Statto nerds in one section, the anti BLM lot in another, university educated here, LGT one area but Bi-sexuals should have separate area. Reformed thugs in one sections and wannabe thugs in another.

 

[benjii]

6 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Indeed. My wife is half Arabic. She'd be a minority under that definition. Should we have safe spaces at the club for those who are of Arabic descent? Or should we just have no discrimination and everyone be welcomed together by the commonalities we share which is our support for the club? 

Half Arab, not half Arabic, FFS you dopey twat.

[Turkish]

47 minutes ago, whelk said:

I reckon it should be split up more add to the tension and atmosphere. Statto nerds in one section, the anti BLM lot in another, university educated here, LGT one area but Bi-sexuals should have separate area. Reformed thugs in one sections and wannabe thugs in another.

 

They could sing a song to identify themselves. “We’re the stattos we’re the stattos we’re the stattos over here” “we’re the LGBT we’re the LGBT we’re the LGBT over here” “we’re the vegans” etc etc 

[The Kraken]

11 minutes ago, Turkish said:

They could sing a song to identify themselves. “We’re the stattos we’re the stattos we’re the stattos over here” “we’re the LGBT we’re the LGBT we’re the LGBT over here” “we’re the vegans” etc etc 

Can you imagine the stattos all sat together? Christ, a bunch of MLG and TWar types all sat amongst a collection of like minded souls making each other’s heads explode by trying to outdo each other in who can be the most pompously correct and never wrong about anything. They’d be the first group to start with the fists flying IMO, recipe for disaster.

[The Cat]

What happens if you fall into more than one of the subgroups? Where do you sit then?

There must be a vegan statto bisexual somewhere in our fan base.

[whelk]

1 minute ago, The Cat said:

What happens if you fall into more than one of the subgroups? Where do you sit then?

There must be a vegan statto bisexual somewhere in our fan base.

You called?

[The Cat]

10 minutes ago, whelk said:

You called?

I straddle the bald, mid 40's and glasses wearing sections which is going to be a tough ask because they will all be rammed.

[Turkish]

26 minutes ago, The Cat said:

What happens if you fall into more than one of the subgroups? Where do you sit then?

There must be a vegan statto bisexual somewhere in our fan base.

Away fans could please them by chanting “tell us your pronouns tra la la la la” 

Edited 30 November, 2021 by Turkish

[TWar]

34 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Can you imagine the stattos all sat together? Christ, a bunch of MLG and TWar types all sat amongst a collection of like minded souls making each other’s heads explode by trying to outdo each other in who can be the most pompously correct and never wrong about anything. They’d be the first group to start with the fists flying IMO, recipe for disaster.

 I get on quite well with MLG to be fair. People who rely on objective fact tend to find it easier to come to a conclusion than those who just kind of reckon things...

[Streaky]

24 minutes ago, The Cat said:

I straddle the bald, mid 40's and glasses wearing sections which is going to be a tough ask because they will all be rammed.

See you there 👍 

[The Kraken]

15 minutes ago, TWar said:

 I get on quite well with MLG to be fair. People who rely on objective fact tend to find it easier to come to a conclusion than those who just kind of reckon things...

Objective facts like a manager saying “I got it wrong” but deciding that he didn’t…..

Yes, I “reckon” that’s easier.

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, The Kraken said:

Objective facts like a manager saying “I got it wrong” but deciding that he didn’t…..

Yes, I “reckon” that’s easier.

As the club is run by people like him then I expect everyone in the statto area will bow to his superiority 

[The Kraken]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

As the club is run by people like him then I expect everyone in the statto area will bow to his superiority 

‘Luckily’ run by people like him.

Edited 30 November, 2021 by The Kraken

[TWar]

40 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Objective facts like a manager saying “I got it wrong” but deciding that he didn’t…..

Yes, I “reckon” that’s easier.

I mean, you know you can disagree with the manager right?

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, jawillwill said:

Who has been divided up?

I think you can figure that out. 

[TWar]

41 minutes ago, Turkish said:

As the club is run by people like him then I expect everyone in the statto area will bow to his superiority 

Again, taken out of context...

[jawillwill]

6 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I think you can figure that out. 

No, I can't. Who has been divided up?

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, jawillwill said:

No, I can't. Who has been divided up?

People of the lgbtq community who want to do this sort of thing, "allies" and everyone else. Fair enough if it's just a supporters group to find someone to meet up and go to games with but its clearly not just that. 

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

People of the lgbtq community who want to do this sort of thing, "allies" and everyone else. Fair enough if it's just a supporters group to find someone to meet up and go to games with but its clearly not just that. 

What is it then? To me it looks exactly like a supporters group, for people who want to meet other LGBTQ+ Saints fans.

Really don't see the issue with this, a lot of the posts on here are scarily backwards

[Saint_Jonny]

7 minutes ago, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

What is it then? To me it looks exactly like a supporters group, for people who want to meet other LGBTQ+ Saints fans.

Really don't see the issue with this, a lot of the posts on here are scarily backwards

Agree - but don't act so surprised. The forum contrarians and trolls flock to threads like this to let everyone know they "have no problem" with a minority group, but "don't get" why a minority group might need protection or a light shone on their cause or the issues they face. It's a never ending avalanche of fact dodging, point scoring bullshit from the usual crowd. 

Fortunately with each generation comes (generally) a more tolerant and liberal attitude to life and it's glorious diversity. When the wrinkly old ballbags shuffle off into irrelevancy (if they are not there already) the world will be better off for it.

 

[hypochondriac]

34 minutes ago, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

What is it then? To me it looks exactly like a supporters group, for people who want to meet other LGBTQ+ Saints fans.

Really don't see the issue with this, a lot of the posts on here are scarily backwards

What's backwards about uniting all supporters of all different stripes because we all support the same team? Nothing backwards about that in the slightest. It would be difficult to be more inclusive to be honest. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Anything that brings more supporters to the game should be welcomed.
 

One of my best mates is homosexual and he’d hate this idea, he just wants to be treated as a normal bloke. That said, he’s a confident outgoing guy who doesn’t give a shiny shite what people think of him or the gay community. However, if somebody is uncomfortable going alone or needs to be part of a specific organised group, I’m not going to say they shouldn’t. There’s a lot of ridiculous woke pony coming out of the club, but this isn’t one of them. 

[Turkish]

On 30/11/2021 at 10:13, WFTJM89 said:

A 'safe space' is not necessarily a physical space 😂 It's not about getting a dedicated rainbow bit of St Mary's to segregate us at all.

It's just about having a space for a particular community that is part of the fan base to meet, talk, discuss things football as well as outside of that, bring issues to the club, get together for social events, and work with the club and the league to make the sport more friendly to those who are not the majority.

And in case no-one realises, Saints were the only top division team without this group. We're well behind the curve and late to the party on this.

I do genuinely hope that I might some day meet some of you and we'll have a laugh and a pint and shout at shit reffing together and rejoice when we score and be bitter and petty when we concede.

I dont believe Saints are behind the curve at all. 20 odd years ago a very prominent Saints fan came out as gay when he was on a TV program. He is a top bloke as big a saints fan as you can get and although before that it wasn't common knowledge he was gay when he came out no one cared. I couldn't tell you if he got any abuse or not, im not aware of any and it was before the days of twitter and facebook so it wouldnt have been online but what i do remember it was very much more of "didnt know that oh well" and then everyone got on with their lives and didn't treat him any differently. 

The current climate seems to be that we need these various fan groups to raise awareness and push that St Marys is not homophobic, when in reality you can do as many surveys and create as many fans groups as you like, i dont think the vast majority of people care about who you are attracted too. If it scares you (and this isn't aimed at you) that someone 30 yards away shouts abuse at someone else a hundred yards away then i would suggest that maybe you're a little too sensitive, it happens, people sometimes say nasty things.  If you expect to grow through life expecting it all to be 70 degrees and sunny with rainbows and dancing everyone telling each other how wonderful they are then you're going to be in for a disappointment.