Other Games 21/22

[whelk]

5 minutes ago, Bob76 said:

No attempt to play the ball and a foul that stopped a goal scoring chances, why no card?

He got a yellow

[trousers]

[Holmes_and_Watson]

26 minutes ago, hackedoff said:

Anyone else spot that banner on the kop last night saying " imagine being us " ?

Er,apart from supporting a more successful team,I think I will pass thank you.

Imagine not supporting my club...um...no...

27 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

If things stay as they are would anyone want Burnley to beat us and put Everton in the bottom 3??

I want us to win 10... make that 9 ... nil. *then* I want Everton relegated in the following games.

[SNSUN]

20 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

If things stay as they are would anyone want Burnley to beat us and put Everton in the bottom 3??

Hell no. 9th to 16th is anyones in this league this season and with, what, 2 million quid per place on offer that’s 14 million squid extra if we can string some late results together and finish 9th not to mention the extra cachet we’d have on players seeing us in the top half. 39 points is ok for now but I’m still hoping for 48-50 if we have turned our poor form around.

 

Burnley can still do it even if we beat them tomorrow but sadly I don’t think Everton will go down now, Burnley will.

[woodsaint1]

I know they've bèen in great form, but finishing below Newcastle after them not getting their first win until December would be pretty depressing

[Turkish]

14 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 

He’s bang on. Manchester United are one of the greatest clubs in the world, it should be an honour to play for them, ridiculous that they’ve collected a load of shite players who don’t want to be there. It isn’t the managers fault because every manager since Fergie left has struggled. Although the fans hate the glaziers they’ve won the league and champions league since they’ve been there and they’ve spent a lot of money. Whoever is signing the players is Doing an appalling job

[skintsaint]

4 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Capped by a truly absurd challenge from Azpilicueta for the pen.

Look at the other angle on this one Saka is clearly pulling Azpilicueta's arm. Shocking call.

[Billy the Kidd]

3 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Look at the other angle on this one Saka is clearly pulling Azpilicueta's arm. Shocking call.

Yep thought the same, dont think it should have been a penalty, Saka had his arm, too.

Of course, Alan Smith thought it was a penalty, what a shock.

[Dman]

8 hours ago, Turkish said:

He’s bang on. Manchester United are one of the greatest clubs in the world, it should be an honour to play for them, ridiculous that they’ve collected a load of shite players who don’t want to be there. It isn’t the managers fault because every manager since Fergie left has struggled. Although the fans hate the glaziers they’ve won the league and champions league since they’ve been there and they’ve spent a lot of money. Whoever is signing the players is Doing an appalling job

I heard from someone well placed in the club, that at the time of VVD being offered about to Liverpool / City etc. he was also offered to United and they turned their nose up. Didn’t think he was good enough. 
 

I think that sums up how poorly United have brought over the past few years. 

[Dman]

Another win for Newcastle. 

The turnaround since Howe came in has been staggering, not just in results but style as well. I think he’s won something like 35 point. 

When he came in, they genuinely looked like relegation fodder, now I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re top 10. 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Dman said:

Another win for Newcastle. 

The turnaround since Howe came in has been staggering, not just in results but style as well. I think he’s won something like 35 point. 

When he came in, they genuinely looked like relegation fodder, now I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re top 10. 

But but but he’s only done well because he spent money, even though he spent money at Bournemouth and got the relegated, if he didn’t have money Newcastle would still be struggling, money doesn’t guarantee success you need a good manager. he’s signed some top players, lol at Newcastle, thought they were getting Mbappe and got Chris Wood. Or something 

[TWar]

Newcastle's £35m midfielder assisting after scoring a brace on the weekend, wonder if their big spend helped...

Since the end of January  7 goals scored by their big money buys, 6 scored by the entire rest of the team. Wonder if it was that or if Eddie Howe just gave an especially good pep talk after being there for 3 months.

Edited 21 April, 2022 by TWar

[JRM]

9 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

I know they've bèen in great form, but finishing below Newcastle after them not getting their first win until December would be pretty depressing

I agree and It looks likely to happen, Newcastle are on such a fantastic run of form I think it will carry them to a top 10 place, I expected them to make lots of  changes in the summer, maybe they'll stick with what they've got,  Howe deserves a lot of credit. 

[TWar]

9 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

I know they've bèen in great form, but finishing below Newcastle after them not getting their first win until December would be pretty depressing

Wouldn't be super bothered, Newcastle opperate in a very different financial class to us now. Once they had a window they were always going to go past us, spending more in one January than our net spend since rejoining the league 10 years ago. Their new signings had a role in 62% of goals scored since coming in.

Not worth comparing ourselves to Newcastle anymore, they'll be on a level with Spurs and Arsenal before you know it.

Edited 21 April, 2022 by TWar

[egg]

2 minutes ago, TWar said:

Newcastle's £35m midfielder assisting after scoring a brace on the weekend, wonder if their big spend helped...

Since the end of January  7 goals scored by their big money buys, 6 scored by the entire rest of the team. Wonder if it was that or if Eddie Howe just gave an especially good pep talk after being there for 3 months.

Wood wouldn't get in most premier league teams, and people mocked them for buying Dan Burn. Bruno was only £35m because it was Newcastle paying with its blood money, and they were desperate. That said, he's a cracking player. 

Eddie Howe deserves enormous credit for getting them motivated, playing, and winning. 

[TWar]

14 minutes ago, egg said:

Wood wouldn't get in most premier league teams, and people mocked them for buying Dan Burn. Bruno was only £35m because it was Newcastle paying with its blood money, and they were desperate. That said, he's a cracking player. 

Eddie Howe deserves enormous credit for getting them motivated, playing, and winning. 

I disagree regarding the quality of Wood. A player with double digit goals 4 seasons on the bounce is always helpful. Bruno is easily worth £35m and is already showing it. He was linked with a bunch of top teams when Newcastle picked him up and has 3 goals and an assist already. Burn is underrated too, would walk into half the leagues side including ours. And Trippier has two goals too and is clearly a fantastic player.

The facts are this:

• Howe took over at the beginning of November 
• Newcastle barely improved at all, playing poorly all the way up to the middle of January before the signings had settled
• In January they spent the most money in europe
• Since January they look incredible
• Since January over half the goals they have scored have been scored by new signings, 62% a new signing either scored or assisted

You can try and list the players individually and say individually they can't have that much of an impact, downplay top talents like Bruno, and outright not mention Trippier, but those are the facts. Newcastle bought their current league position and will continue to buy higher and higher ones in coming seasons. You lot would be the first to notice this if there wasn't such a hard on for Eddie Howe.

Edited 21 April, 2022 by TWar

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, TWar said:

I disagree regarding the quality of Wood. A player with double digit goals 4 seasons on the bounce is always helpful. Bruno is easily worth £35m and is already showing it. He was linked with a bunch of top teams when Newcastle picked him up and has 3 goals an assist already. Burn is underrated too, would walk into half the leagues side including ours. And Trippier has two goals too and is clearly a fantastic player.

The facts are this:

• Howe took over at the beginning of November 
• Newcastle barely improved at all, playing poorly all the way up to the middle of January before the signings had settled
• In January they spent the most money in europe
• Since January they look incredible
• Since January over half the goals they have scored have been scored by new signings, 62% a new signing either scored or assisted

You can try and list the players individually, downplay top talents like Bruno and outright not mention Trippier, but those are the facts. Newcastle bought their current league position and will continue to buy higher and higher ones in coming seasons. You lot would be the first to notice this if there wasn't such a hard on for Eddie Howe.

😂😂😂

[Give it to Ron]

6 minutes ago, TWar said:

I disagree regarding the quality of Wood. A player with double digit goals 4 seasons on the bounce is always helpful. Bruno is easily worth £35m and is already showing it. He was linked with a bunch of top teams when Newcastle picked him up and has 3 goals an assist already. Burn is underrated too, would walk into half the leagues side including ours. And Trippier has two goals too and is clearly a fantastic player.

The facts are this:

• Howe took over at the beginning of November 
• Newcastle barely improved at all, playing poorly all the way up to the middle of January before the signings had settled
• In January they spent the most money in europe
• Since January they look incredible
• Since January over half the goals they have scored have been scored by new signings, 62% a new signing either scored or assisted

You can try and list the players individually, downplay top talents like Bruno and outright not mention Trippier, but those are the facts. Newcastle bought their current league position and will continue to buy higher and higher ones in coming seasons. You lot would be the first to notice this if there wasn't such a hard on for Eddie Howe.

What a crock of shite I am no Eddie Howe fan but I was wrong he deserves a lot of credit for turning them around.

If it’s that easy why are Everton down there they have spent a fortune?

I don’t believe you really think above it’s just about getting a reaction well done.

[egg]

9 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

😂😂😂

Thanks 👍

[TWar]

8 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

What a crock of shite I am no Eddie Howe fan but I was wrong he deserves a lot of credit for turning them around.

If it’s that easy why are Everton down there they have spent a fortune?

I don’t believe you really think above it’s just about getting a reaction well done.

Well Everton did get to around where Newcastle are likely to finish when spending big, they just stopped spending this summer (with a net spend of £1.5m) and plummetted. Also the higher ups at Everton spent incredibly poorly on the likes of Iwobi, Siggurdson, Keane, Gomes, etc. Newcastle have spent well, I don't think they made a bad signing in January.

Also, how is it unreasable to say they are only doing well due to money, they spent almost £100m and over half their goals since have been from players they bought? Shouldn't be controversial...

Edited 21 April, 2022 by TWar

[TWar]

11 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

😂😂😂

 

1 minute ago, egg said:

Thanks 👍

Shame neither of you bother to respond to the points made. Even the other guy brought up a single instance of a club underperforming after spending. It was a bad argument as money obviously directly correlates to success but it was atleast an argument.

[egg]

Just now, TWar said:

 

Shame neither of you bother to respond to the points made. Even the other guy brought up a single instance of a club underperforming after spending. It was a bad argument as money obviously directly correlates to success but it was atleast an argument.

Absolutely no point mate. You'll babble on about stats and other shit, but refuse to acknowledge the obvious namely that Howe has done a superb job getting an average centre forward, average CB, our former reserve LB and a decent midfielder playing and winning. I'll forget the other full back as he's largely been injured. As has been said, money alone does not buy success and Everton have been highlighted as an example. I'll engage no more with you as I have better things to do. Enjoy the sunshine. 

[TWar]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Absolutely no point mate. You'll babble on about stats and other shit, but refuse to acknowledge the obvious namely that Howe has done a superb job getting an average centre forward, average CB, our former reserve LB and a decent midfielder playing and winning. I'll forget the other full back as he's largely been injured. As has been said, money alone does not buy success and Everton have been highlighted as an example. I'll engage no more with you as I have better things to do. Enjoy the sunshine. 

That's because you massively underrate basically every player you listed. There is a reason why that group cost £100m.

You too, regarding enjoying the sunshine, going out to Brighton which should be nice. Daughters first day at the beach.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, TWar said:

That's because you massively underrate basically every player you listed. There is a reason why that group cost £100m.

You too, regarding enjoying the sunshine, going out to Brighton which should be nice. Daughters first day at the beach.

You call that pile of stones a beach???

[TWar]

1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You call that pile of stones a beach???

I wanted to go to Bournemouth but was outvoted...

[nta786]

Anyone know what Howe's points per game is since he took over?

If it is around the 1.6-1.7 mark then they may well be fighting for a European spot next summer, especially if they spend a bucket load more.

A great shame they didn't go down this year. 

[Whitey Grandad]

From The Times on Tuesday,
 

“Eddie Howe has identified Newcastle United’s mid-season break in Saudi Arabia as the turning point in their rise from relegation favourites to all but guaranteeing Premier League survival.

Newcastle were second-bottom after 20 matches, with only 12 points on the board, but have won eight of their past 12 games to climb to 14th — 12 points clear of the relegation zone.”

[TWar]

Just now, nta786 said:

Anyone know what Howe's points per game is since he took over?

If it is around the 1.6-1.7 mark then they may well be fighting for a European spot next summer, especially if they spend a bucket load more.

A great shame they didn't go down this year. 

Since he took over: 1.52

Since the end of jan though: 2.1

Given they have more money to spend in the summer they should really be aiming for Europe atleast.

Howes points per game before the end of Jan is 0.9, which is relegation form, but we don't talk about that!

*assuming all my maths is correct, feel free to correct me as I am on my phone and don't have a calculator!

[S-Clarke]

I think it's very simplistic to say Newcastle's improvement is down to their spending, it's a combination of things but you cannot overlook the job Howe has done I don't think.

Apart from Bruno I think most fans looked at their January business not being that bothered. 

What has happened in recent weeks, if you look at their fans reaction, is the up-turn in form fron their existing players. Fraser, Almiron, Dubravka, Schar, Shelvey, Joelinton etc.

Credit where it's due in my opinion.

Edited 21 April, 2022 by S-Clarke

[Sarisbury Saint]

2 hours ago, TWar said:

I disagree regarding the quality of Wood. A player with double digit goals 4 seasons on the bounce is always helpful. Bruno is easily worth £35m and is already showing it. He was linked with a bunch of top teams when Newcastle picked him up and has 3 goals and an assist already. Burn is underrated too, would walk into half the leagues side including ours. And Trippier has two goals too and is clearly a fantastic player.

The facts are this:

• Howe took over at the beginning of November 
• Newcastle barely improved at all, playing poorly all the way up to the middle of January before the signings had settled
• In January they spent the most money in europe
• Since January they look incredible
• Since January over half the goals they have scored have been scored by new signings, 62% a new signing either scored or assisted

You can try and list the players individually and say individually they can't have that much of an impact, downplay top talents like Bruno, and outright not mention Trippier, but those are the facts. Newcastle bought their current league position and will continue to buy higher and higher ones in coming seasons. You lot would be the first to notice this if there wasn't such a hard on for Eddie Howe.

😂😂😂

[Sarisbury Saint]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

But but but he’s only done well because he spent money, even though he spent money at Bournemouth and got the relegated, if he didn’t have money Newcastle would still be struggling, money doesn’t guarantee success you need a good manager. he’s signed some top players, lol at Newcastle, thought they were getting Mbappe and got Chris Wood. Or something 

That’s right, the world class , much sort after players like Woods and Burn who are so hugely underrated by everyone except Howe 😂

[Dman]

2 hours ago, TWar said:

I disagree regarding the quality of Wood. A player with double digit goals 4 seasons on the bounce is always helpful. Bruno is easily worth £35m and is already showing it. He was linked with a bunch of top teams when Newcastle picked him up and has 3 goals and an assist already. Burn is underrated too, would walk into half the leagues side including ours. And Trippier has two goals too and is clearly a fantastic player.

The facts are this:

• Howe took over at the beginning of November 
• Newcastle barely improved at all, playing poorly all the way up to the middle of January before the signings had settled
• In January they spent the most money in europe
• Since January they look incredible
• Since January over half the goals they have scored have been scored by new signings, 62% a new signing either scored or assisted

You can try and list the players individually and say individually they can't have that much of an impact, downplay top talents like Bruno, and outright not mention Trippier, but those are the facts. Newcastle bought their current league position and will continue to buy higher and higher ones in coming seasons. You lot would be the first to notice this if there wasn't such a hard on for Eddie Howe.

If we’re going to link player value to quality, you rated JWP at about £60m, almost double that of Bruno, yet we haven’t seen the dramatic improvement this season. 
 

Tripper has been injured for most of the time he’s been there, so I’ll ignore him, but had you been asked in December if you’d swap Wood for Adams or Salisu or Burn, then I almost certainly suspect you would say no. 
 

Everton have one of the most expensive squads outside the top 6, yet despite Rafa the great doing a brilliant job at the start of the season, they still find themselves in a relegation battle. 
 

Yes Newcastle have spent, massively overspent on some pretty average players imo, but Howe deserves credit for improving the style and picking up results in the process. 

[TWar]

Just now, Dman said:

If we’re going to link player value to quality, you rated JWP at about £60m, almost double that of Bruno, yet we haven’t seen the dramatic improvement this season. 
 

Tripper has been injured for most of the time he’s been there, so I’ll ignore him, but had you been asked in December if you’d swap Wood for Adams or Salisu or Burn, then I almost certainly suspect you would say no. 
 

Everton have one of the most expensive squads outside the top 6, yet despite Rafa the great doing a brilliant job at the start of the season, they still find themselves in a relegation battle. 
 

Yes Newcastle have spent, massively overspent on some pretty average players imo, but Howe deserves credit for improving the style and picking up results in the process. 

Why would we see dramatic improvement from JWP being rated £60m when we had him last season too? I don't understand your point. JWP is rated £60m so we should have improved dramatically? But we didn't sign him in the summer? What are you on about man?

The rest of this is points we've already done to death and as I have said I don't want to be baited into having the same old arguments with you but I needed to ask about that first point as I don't get it at all.

[Sarisbury Saint]

4 minutes ago, TWar said:

Why would we see dramatic improvement from JWP being rated £60m when we had him last season too? I don't understand your point. JWP is rated £60m so we should have improved dramatically? But we didn't sign him in the summer? What are you on about man?

The rest of this is points we've already done to death and as I have said I don't want to be baited into having the same old arguments with you but I needed to ask about that first point as I don't get it at all.

Bleeding obviously what he’s saying.

[TWar]

3 minutes ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

Bleeding obviously what he’s saying.

"If JWP is worth £60m and Bruno is worth £35m why is it that they have improved and we haven't since last season" at which point the answer is "because we didn't sign JWP between now and last season." It's such an obvious answer that I assumed he must have been trying to get at something else. If you know it, feel free to share it, will be more valuable than your normal response of emojis and reaction gifs.

Edited 21 April, 2022 by TWar

[Sarisbury Saint]

1 minute ago, TWar said:

"If JWP is worth £60m and Bruno is worth £35m why is it that they have improved and we haven't since last season" at which point the answer is "because we didn't sign JWP between now and last season. It's such an obvious answer that I assumed he must have been trying to get at something else. If you know it, feel free to share it, will be more valuable than your normal response of emojis and reaction gifs.

Making things up again. I’ve never used reaction gifs .

You base Newcastles success purely on how much money they’ve spent.( even though most of their signings are average and overpriced, hence why no one else was prepared to pay that much)

Newcastle could out perform us even though we had a massive head start and their player values are no better than ours,

Yet you won’t accept most of the credit must go to Howe.

[St. Neil]

[TWar]

1 minute ago, Sarisbury Saint said:

Making things up again. I’ve never used reaction gifs .

You base Newcastles success purely on how much money they’ve spent.( even though most of their signings are average and overpriced, hence why no one else was prepared to pay that much)

Newcastle could out perform us even though we had a massive head start and their player values are no better than ours,

Yet you won’t accept most of the credit must go to Howe.

Their player values are considerably better than ours their squad was purchased for £286m and ours was £136m. They literally have a squad twice as expensive as ours. You are chatting shite.

The fact we have a team that cost under half theres and are still vying for the same spots in the table is all credit to our coaching and management. The fact Newcastle 8th most expensive team in the league and people are excited about them getting top half is a testiment to how they are buying their league position.

[TWar]

1 minute ago, St. Neil said:

Damn, it happened again. Genuine apologies to all. See you after the game tonight.

[Sheaf Saint]

If you want a prime example of excessive spending not resulting in the expected success then look no further than Man Utd.

Newcastle spent a lot of money, yes, but Howe is undoubtedly a much better manager than Bruce and has managed to extract more out of the existing players as well. The new signings alone are quite obviously not the sole reason for their upturn in form.

 

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, egg said:

Absolutely no point mate. You'll babble on about stats and other shit, but refuse to acknowledge the obvious namely that Howe has done a superb job getting an average centre forward, average CB, our former reserve LB and a decent midfielder playing and winning. I'll forget the other full back as he's largely been injured. As has been said, money alone does not buy success and Everton have been highlighted as an example. I'll engage no more with you as I have better things to do. Enjoy the sunshine. 

Even he said the other day “money doesnt guarantee success you need a good manager too”

he seems rather confused once again. 

[Sarisbury Saint]

2 minutes ago, TWar said:

Their player values are considerably better than ours their squad was purchased for £286m and ours was £136m. They literally have a squad twice as expensive as ours. You are chatting shite.

The fact we have a team that cost under half theres and are still vying for the same spots in the table is all credit to our coaching and management. The fact Newcastle 8th most expensive team in the league and people are excited about them getting top half is a testiment to how they are buying their league position.

How much has Howe spent?

Was the price bumped up because it was Newcastle ?

Have those players bought in by Howe been the missing link that has turned them around ?

 

[Dman]

28 minutes ago, TWar said:

Why would we see dramatic improvement from JWP being rated £60m when we had him last season too? I don't understand your point. JWP is rated £60m so we should have improved dramatically? But we didn't sign him in the summer? What are you on about man?

 

The point I’m trying to make is, if Bruno, valued at £35m, is the reason they are now averaging 2.1 PPG, then why are we only averaging 1.2 PPG when we have a player who (plays in the same position), is apparently worth double that? 

I use Bruno as an example because the others are very comparable in terms of L4L quality and ones that I think 90% on here wouldn’t have been overly excited about if we’d signed (tripper aside who has been injured). 

[Sarisbury Saint]

10 minutes ago, TWar said:

Their player values are considerably better than ours their squad was purchased for £286m and ours was £136m. They literally have a squad twice as expensive as ours. You are chatting shite.

The fact we have a team that cost under half theres and are still vying for the same spots in the table is all credit to our coaching and management. The fact Newcastle 8th most expensive team in the league and people are excited about them getting top half is a testiment to how they are buying their league position.

You’ve used player values and players purchased in the same sentence to come up with your figures.

which is it ?

[nta786]

3 minutes ago, Dman said:

The point I’m trying to make is, if Bruno, valued at £35m, is the reason they are now averaging 2.1 PPG, then why are we only averaging 1.2 PPG when we have a player who (plays in the same position), is apparently worth double that? 

I use Bruno as an example because the others are very comparable in terms of L4L quality and ones that I think 90% on here wouldn’t have been overly excited about if we’d signed (tripper aside who has been injured). 

To be fair though, there are 11 players on the football pitch and then we have 20+ squads. Slightly simplistic to look at it that way,

They have a fair number of players who would improve our team and vice versa I suppose, but Howe is getting a great reaction from these players and are buying into his methods, so it's working out quite well. 

Not to discredit Howe either as I don't think Newcastle's surge is purely down to money, but sometimes new managers can come in and become more unpredictable in their play. I think next season will be the litmus test.

 

[Dman]

Twar clearly didn’t rate Tripper or Wood that highly, he was still tipping Newcastle to go down 10 days after Wood signed 😂

And we’ve got ‘mid table’ Perrud, ‘Incredible talent’ Salisu, ‘£60m rated’ JWP, + his known thoughts on Adams, Tino and KWP, better squad than villa etc., yet we’re orver achieving and lucky to stay up… 

Edited 21 April, 2022 by Dman

[Dman]

24 minutes ago, nta786 said:

To be fair though, there are 11 players on the football pitch and then we have 20+ squads. Slightly simplistic to look at it that way,

They have a fair number of players who would improve our team and vice versa I suppose, but Howe is getting a great reaction from these players and are buying into his methods, so it's working out quite well. 

Not to discredit Howe either as I don't think Newcastle's surge is purely down to money, but sometimes new managers can come in and become more unpredictable in their play. I think next season will be the litmus test.

 

Agreed, over 3/4 of the squad is the same as it was under Bruce who had about 5 points. 

Its Twar who’s basically saying that they’re only doing well because of money, so basically, 1 player. 

Personally, I think they’ve brought pretty well and he’s done a great job at transforming their style and gelling the team together. 

Huge Credit deserved. 

[cloggy saint]

[HarvSFC]

To be fair, Howe took charge of Newcastle on November 8th. He got one win in his first nine matches in charge with his second and third wins coming on 22nd January and 8th February. Their signings obviously did make an impact and to be fair they did sign well in hindsight, as I doubted a few of them at the time in my want for Newcastle to fail. Even Targett's playing well there, although, again like when he had Grealish in front of him, he now has Saint-Maximin, so his job is slightly simpler in that he doesn't need to get up and down the pitch. They're deploying the "dark arts" well now and to be fair they now have a "never say die" attitude, which showed in their match against Leicester at the weekend. I didn't see last night's.

We were in a very similar position when Hasenhuttl first joined. One win in 16 league games, in 19th place, a very unfit squad with Hughes' poor training regime. We beat Arsenal in Hasenhuttl's second game, which is becoming a bit of a habit and Huddersfield in his third. No January signings and we finished 16th. Yet, some won't credit that, as they do other sides... 🤷‍♂️

[Dman]

1 minute ago, HarvSFC said:

To be fair, Howe took charge of Newcastle on November 8th. He got one win in his first nine matches in charge with his second and third wins coming on 22nd January and 8th February. Their signings obviously did make an impact and to be fair they did sign well in hindsight, as I doubted a few of them at the time in my want for Newcastle to fail. Even Targett's playing well there, although, again like when he had Grealish in front of him, he now has Saint-Maximin, so his job is slightly simpler in that he doesn't need to get up and down the pitch. They're deploying the "dark arts" well now and to be fair they now have a "never say die" attitude, which showed in their match against Leicester at the weekend. I didn't see last night's.

We were in a very similar position when Hasenhuttl first joined. One win in 16 league games, in 19th place, a very unfit squad with Hughes' poor training regime. We beat Arsenal in Hasenhuttl's second game, which is becoming a bit of a habit and Huddersfield in his third. No January signings and we finished 16th. Yet, some won't credit that, as they do other sides... 🤷‍♂️

Who doesn’t credit that? You’re talking crap. 
 

as a side note, have we improved since that initial bounce? 3 years on, I don’t think so. We’re still massively inconsistent. Capable of being very good or total shite. We’ve taken a few pastings in that time as well.