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FarehamSaintJames

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1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Discipline? They were going down all over the pitch with fake injuries.

The rolling around I can’t condone, I’ve always hated it; but quite frankly the tackles, the hacks, the elbows that were being dished out towards City and the constant surrounding of the officials  - I was all for City time wasting in the end to see that game out.

Atletico deserved what they got.

Referee I thought was weak first half, tried to let the game run, but then the game ran away, glad he found his cards second half at least.

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56 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Forensic is a dirty little cheat though. He hardly got touched yet he managed to roll over a few times just so that he could end up on the pitch.

I hope UEFA investigate his behaviour 

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LiberalCommunist

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Is anyone else a little unsurprised by Savic's behaviour last night? When Foden did that lame roll back on to the pitch, I thought that triggered a pretty common reaction from him. We see it most weekends in our league, when the clock is being eaten up by antics. Athleti are masters of the dark arts, and some of the challengers were a little OTT, but I thought it was a bit of a storm in a tea cup. And Flippe got a red card for the challenge, so justice was served. But the media screaming;

'Nobody wants to see this!' While zooming in ten camera's for the chaos unfolding in front of us was frankly very amusing. Move along, nothing to see.......

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4 hours ago, LiberalCommunist said:

Is anyone else a little unsurprised by Savic's behaviour last night? When Foden did that lame roll back on to the pitch, I thought that triggered a pretty common reaction from him. We see it most weekends in our league, when the clock is being eaten up by antics. Athleti are masters of the dark arts, and some of the challengers were a little OTT, but I thought it was a bit of a storm in a tea cup. And Flippe got a red card for the challenge, so justice was served. But the media screaming;

'Nobody wants to see this!' While zooming in ten camera's for the chaos unfolding in front of us was frankly very amusing. Move along, nothing to see.......

Yes, great fun but nothing to do with real football. Neither side was blameless.

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Fucking hell, the pundits were annoying. “It’s disgraceful “ blah blah blah. Good old fashioned European tactics, a real examination of City’s bollocks and they came through with flying colours. Love to see Simeone take charge of a premier league club, someone like Everton whilst still at Goodison,would be ideal. Fucking hell, the Mersey derby would be fun. 

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21 hours ago, Dman said:

Go down your local park with 100 balls, see how many you could put right in perfect stride of the attacker from 30 yards, then come back and say how much of a ‘piece of piss’.
 

I’d be surprised if 5% even made it into the box. 

Agree. Nobody disputes that most pros can hit a ball with the outside of the foot but Modric could only put that ball in one exact spot for them to score. He did it by factoring in the pace and flight so that the ball dropped over the defender into the perfect spot where the forward could score. It certainly wasn't just a run-of-the-mill pass with the outside of his foot. He did it under pressure because Real were starting to run out of ideas and he unlocked Chelsea with one moment of brilliance.

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45 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fucking hell, the pundits were annoying. “It’s disgraceful “ blah blah blah. Good old fashioned European tactics, a real examination of City’s bollocks and they came through with flying colours. Love to see Simeone take charge of a premier league club, someone like Everton whilst still at Goodison,would be ideal. Fucking hell, the Mersey derby would be fun. 

i thought that to. I'd love to see Simeone in the premier league. Would be great fun, love to see a team going mental, it's brilliant viewing, think someone else said the commentators banging on "we dont want to see this" Yes we absolutely do.

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4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

i thought that to. I'd love to see Simeone in the premier league. Would be great fun, love to see a team going mental, it's brilliant viewing, think someone else said the commentators banging on "we dont want to see this" Yes we absolutely do.

He’s got Chelsea written all over him. Probably the only big 6 club who don’t care about ‘style’ and will do whatever it takes to win. 
 

It would be fantastic viewing. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Turkish said:

i thought that to. I'd love to see Simeone in the premier league. Would be great fun, love to see a team going mental, it's brilliant viewing, think someone else said the commentators banging on "we dont want to see this" Yes we absolutely do.

His side had zero xG at Etihad I heard. 

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2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fucking hell, the pundits were annoying. “It’s disgraceful “ blah blah blah. Good old fashioned European tactics, a real examination of City’s bollocks and they came through with flying colours. Love to see Simeone take charge of a premier league club, someone like Everton whilst still at Goodison,would be ideal. Fucking hell, the Mersey derby would be fun. 

The pearl clutching from the BT sports crew was just embarrassing, it was as if they were presenting on a national tragedy.

Then when it was suggested that Grealish wasn’t even playing and had come on the pitch to call Savic a c*nt, it was described by ‘Ri’ as just part of the game.

Fuck all this ”no one wants to see this” nonsense. I do! I thought it was great. And seeing the Atleti shithouses get a taste of their own medicine was brilliant, they looked like they wanted to cry at the end.

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Former saints target Ibrahim Sangare playing very well for PSV against Leicester. Looks a real player who would have been a good replacement for Romeu. Work permit issues stopped the deal dead with us I believe. Certainly a lot more physical than Diallo who we got instead 

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30 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Former saints target Ibrahim Sangare playing very well for PSV against Leicester. Looks a real player who would have been a good replacement for Romeu. Work permit issues stopped the deal dead with us I believe. Certainly a lot more physical than Diallo who we got instead 

That's our side of the story but the player said we were slow in our pursuit of him. 

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Rangers and West Ham have done brilliantly, looking at them and Leicester getting to European semi finals tonight it's hard not to feel a bit jealous, would love to do that with Saints 

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Dman

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14 minutes ago, TWar said:

It's certainly not a good thing...

Correct. It doesn’t make you a bad manager though, clearly as demonstrated in this case by moyes. Could be down to a number of factors. 

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5 minutes ago, Dman said:

Correct. It doesn’t make you a bad manager though, clearly as demonstrated in this case by moyes. Could be down to a number of factors. 

What about Rafa Benitez? Got a relegation on his CV too….

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33 minutes ago, Dman said:

Correct. It doesn’t make you a bad manager though, clearly as demonstrated in this case by moyes. Could be down to a number of factors. 

It doesn't, and when Howe achieves anything near what Moyes has then maybe the relegation will be overshadowed but a few midtable finishes with big budgets ain't doing it for me.

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17 minutes ago, TWar said:

It doesn't, and when Howe achieves anything near what Moyes has then maybe the relegation will be overshadowed but a few midtable finishes with big budgets ain't doing it for me.

Success is relative. I doubt you’ll understand as it takes critical thinking rather than what’s black and white on a spreadsheet. 

Taking a club like bournemouth from the bottom of L2 to the premier league and keeping them their for 5 seasons is a huge achievement. 

West Ham are a far larger club, with significantly more resources. To measure their success against Bournemouth is just stupid. 

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1 hour ago, JRM said:

Rangers and West Ham have done brilliantly, looking at them and Leicester getting to European semi finals tonight it's hard not to feel a bit jealous, would love to do that with Saints 

The Europa League has been the best competition to watch this season: more exciting than both the Champions League and Premier League. The West Ham and Rangers games, especially v Sevilla and Borussia Dortmund, have reminded me just how special those European nights can be.  I used to go to Eintracht Frankfurt games so this was good to see too:  (12) The Away Ends on Twitter: "30,000 Frankfurt fans at Barcelona tonight #Eintracht #SGE #SGEurope https://t.co/YYKWZA3WK3" / Twitter

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42 minutes ago, TWar said:

He also has a champions league. Give me a shout when either Moyes or Howe manage that.

But you ignore all Howes achievements and just focus on his relegation as evidence as to how bad he is, your hero also got relegated but you never mention that 

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8 hours ago, Dman said:

Success is relative. I doubt you’ll understand as it takes critical thinking rather than what’s black and white on a spreadsheet. 

Taking a club like bournemouth from the bottom of L2 to the premier league and keeping them their for 5 seasons is a huge achievement. 

West Ham are a far larger club, with significantly more resources. To measure their success against Bournemouth is just stupid. 

Bournemouth when they were in the prem were loaded. As you well know.

8 hours ago, Turkish said:

But you ignore all Howes achievements and just focus on his relegation as evidence as to how bad he is, your hero also got relegated but you never mention that 

We trying to compare getting promoted to the prem to winning the CL, such an achievement...

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11 minutes ago, TWar said:

Bournemouth when they were in the prem were loaded. As you well know.

We trying to compare getting promoted to the prem to winning the CL, such an achievement...

It’s all relative. He took a club the size of Bournemouth from a 17 point deficit at the bottom of league two into the premier league and kept them there for 5 seasons. That’s incredible but you only go on about his one bad season, funny how you never mention Rafas relegation, pretty crap performance and newcastle and make excuses for his failure at Everton 

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It’s all relative. He took a club the size of Bournemouth from a 17 point deficit at the bottom of league two into the premier league and kept them there for 5 seasons. That’s incredible but you only go on about his one bad season, funny how you never mention Rafas relegation, pretty crap performance and newcastle and make excuses for his failure at Everton 

This "the size of Bournemouth" thing is the problem, Bournemouth are not a small team anymore. They spent top 10 money when in the league.

Rafa did better than Bruce at Newcastle and Lampard at Everton. After he left both teams declined. Maybe it was the squad.

Howe had two teams with top 10 budgets performing to a mid table standard and got one of them relegated. Anyway, we've had this argument enough times. You can pretend Howe was leading some plucky league two side if you like and that the biggest spend in europe this January was just small change but it is pretty silly.

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2 hours ago, TWar said:

This "the size of Bournemouth" thing is the problem, Bournemouth are not a small team anymore. They spent top 10 money when in the league.

Rafa did better than Bruce at Newcastle and Lampard at Everton. After he left both teams declined. Maybe it was the squad.

Howe had two teams with top 10 budgets performing to a mid table standard and got one of them relegated. Anyway, we've had this argument enough times. You can pretend Howe was leading some plucky league two side if you like and that the biggest spend in europe this January was just small change but it is pretty silly.

So how is responsible for turning them from a small league 2 club to a bigger club able to spend big top 10 money then, all credit to him, surely. Fantastic achievement.
 

Rafa did better than Steve Bruce and Lampard, what an achievement!

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8 minutes ago, TWar said:

£££

But Howe got them into a position where they were investable. When he took over they were bottom of league 2 with a 17 point deduction, when he left they’d just spent 5 years in the premier league. But it was all inspite of useless Eddie, right?

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11 minutes ago, Turkish said:

But Howe got them into a position where they were investable. When he took over they were bottom of league 2 with a 17 point deduction, when he left they’d just spent 5 years in the premier league. But it was all inspite of useless Eddie, right?

And in the main, for the first few (more successful seasons) at least, he was using a core squad of players who he had in L1 and the championship. 

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2 minutes ago, Dman said:

And in the main, for the first few (more successful seasons) at least, he was using a core squad of players who he had in L1 and the championship. 

It’s very odd that a manager takes a team from bottom of league two to the premier league and some people find it impossible to say anything positive about them. I guess when people do it on FM fairly regularly then it dilutes how brilliant it actually is. 

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50 minutes ago, Turkish said:

But Howe got them into a position where they were investable. When he took over they were bottom of league 2 with a 17 point deduction, when he left they’d just spent 5 years in the premier league. But it was all inspite of useless Eddie, right?

Not inspite of Howe, definitely a decent lower league manager. Didn't do much at the top level considering the spending though.

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4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Define didn’t do much

Read my previous posts, this conversation has happened about a million times.

Compare money spent to league positions achieved. You'll get there on your own.

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29 minutes ago, TWar said:

Not inspite of Howe, definitely a decent lower league manager. Didn't do much at the top level considering the spending though.

Out of interest, what do or did you expect Bournemouth to Achieve in the PL? 

Also, I don’t get you obsession with spending and guaranteed success. We spent a shit ton of money in the season or 2 after Virgil left, we didn’t spent it wisely and we’re hampered until probably last season as a result. Similar happened at bournemouth they spent big money on bang average players. Ibe, Solanke, Lerma, Billing, for example. (Our Lemina, Carrillo, Hodet’s).

Who you sign is far more important than how much you spend. We’re living proof of that. 

Probably 99% of managers in this league do not pick the players who are signed, they have an input, but don’t pick them specifically. If player recruitment is poor, then how much you spend almost becomes redundant. 

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10 minutes ago, Dman said:

Also, I don’t get you obsession with spending and guaranteed success.

Money isn't guaranteed success. It depends how good the manager is (and quality of recruitment), one who overperforms spending is good, one who doesn't is bad.

Thats why Poch and Koeman ended up at PSG and Barca and Puel and MP ended up failing and dropping to much smaller teams than us.

Football is ruled by money, ignoring that is just silly.

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7 minutes ago, Dman said:

Out of interest, what do or did you expect Bournemouth to Achieve in the PL? 

Also, I don’t get you obsession with spending and guaranteed success. We spent a shit ton of money in the season or 2 after Virgil left, we didn’t spent it wisely and we’re hampered until probably last season as a result. Similar happened at bournemouth they spent big money on bang average players. Ibe, Solanke, Lerma, Billing, for example. (Our Lemina, Carrillo, Hodet’s).

Who you sign is far more important than how much you spend. We’re living proof of that. 

Probably 99% of managers in this league do not pick the players who are signed, they have an input, but don’t pick them specifically. If player recruitment is poor, then how much you spend almost becomes redundant. 

He has a weird obsession with Eddie Howe, Villa and Ralph. The first 2 can do nothing right, the last can do nothing wrong.

Anybody can pull out stats to support any argument they want to make. In reality Howe isn't as bad as TWar makes out and Ralph isn't as good.

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