Turkish Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The Kraken said: There’s your problem with Mark Hughes right there. Good point cant do much worse than Adams, he was hated by the players and totally incompetent. Bradford have the basis of a good squad. Edited 26 February, 2022 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 26 February, 2022 Share Posted 26 February, 2022 18 minutes ago, CB Fry said: That yank has got a CV that just screams next Saints manager. Red Bull Salzberg, links with Rangnick, bit of time with Leipzig. Probably does pressing or something. Also, critically, currently out of work. In another universe he's a candidate for SFC all day long. Oh when the Saints go Marsching in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalCommunist Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 Unpopular opinion alert. I was totally bewildered yesterday when Christian Erikison came on. Down to ten, being run ragged, and here's the good news story the football world has been waiting for. I'd be pretty unhappy with Thomas Frank if I were a Brentford fan. They are in free fall, and he looks a bit clueless. And pandering to this news story isn't going to help them. Eddie Howe even saying what a nice moment it was. Yeah, 2-0 up playing against a shit team down to ten, I bet you were in dreamland! I'm glad CE is well, and still has a football career, that is great news. But what a circus yesterday was. Tin pot team going down......... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 (edited) I think Brentford are in serious danger of going down! Noticed Ivan Toney on the bench - no idea if he has been injured. They can't defend/score goals, and the sending off yesterday was from a pretty nasty challenge. Their fixtures are a mixed bag - Norwich & Burnley in their next 2, with Leeds at home last game of the season (with Everton away just before that) Edited 27 February, 2022 by AlexLaw76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 Bielsa sacking now confirmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 3 minutes ago, Turkish said: Bielsa sacking now confirmed Adkins to save the day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Adkins to save the day? He could be their Alex Ferguson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 Newcastle unbeaten in 6 with 4 wins. Useless Howe proving a few people wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 17 minutes ago, Turkish said: Newcastle unbeaten in 6 with 4 wins. Useless Howe proving a few people wrong With how much money spent remind me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 4 minutes ago, stevy777_x said: With how much money spent remind me? Thought he was crap at spending money? Werent we told that's when it all started going wrong at Bournemouth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 22 minutes ago, Turkish said: Newcastle unbeaten in 6 with 4 wins. Useless Howe proving a few people wrong That's what happens when you sign almost £100m worth of players. Notice there was no upturn in form after Howe arrived until the Saudi money came flowing in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 1 minute ago, Turkish said: Thought he was crap at spending money? Werent we told that's when it all started going wrong at Bournemouth? Howe doesn't spend the money, they have a DoF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 23 minutes ago, Turkish said: Newcastle unbeaten in 6 with 4 wins. Useless Howe proving a few people wrong It’s amazing what an Arabian sword shaken in your face while on holiday can do! Motivation doesn’t even come into it 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 27 minutes ago, Turkish said: Newcastle unbeaten in 6 with 4 wins. Useless Howe proving a few people wrong They'll probably end up safe by a decent margin. Sadly. They couldn't have asked for a kinder run of games for the past six. West Ham aside they've played five of the shitless sides in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 1 minute ago, TWar said: Howe doesn't spend the money, they have a DoF So when he was at Bournemouth he was crap at spending money and all the players he brought in were nothing to do with anyone else it was all his fault. However now he's at Newcastle none of the players they signed are anything to do with him and were signed by someone else. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 6 minutes ago, TWar said: That's what happens when you sign almost £100m worth of players. Notice there was no upturn in form after Howe arrived until the Saudi money came flowing in... Ryan Frazer disagrees, but then i guess you'd know more than him Ryan Fraser feels Newcastle haven't looked back since Eddie Howe arrived (geordiebootboys.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 1 minute ago, Turkish said: So when he was at Bournemouth he was crap at spending money and all the players he brought in were nothing to do with anyone else it was all his fault. However now he's at Newcastle none of the players they signed are anything to do with him and were signed by someone else. Got it. I never said he was crap at spending money. If anything some of Bournemouths signings (Danjuma, Ramsdale, Solanke) have had a pretty big upturn in form after him. I said he had a lot of resources with a decent expensive squad and got it relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 2 minutes ago, GarrettIvo said: They'll probably end up safe by a decent margin. Sadly. They couldn't have asked for a kinder run of games for the past six. West Ham aside they've played five of the shitless sides in the division. Yep very annoying, we all wanted them relegated especially after the way they messed around with the fixtures, but useless Eddie seems to have turned it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Turkish said: Ryan Frazer disagrees, but then i guess you'd know more than him Ryan Fraser feels Newcastle haven't looked back since Eddie Howe arrived (geordiebootboys.com) Player sucks up to current manager in media puff piece, stop the presses... Edited 27 February, 2022 by TWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 2 minutes ago, TWar said: I never said he was crap at spending money. If anything some of Bournemouths signings (Danjuma, Ramsdale, Solanke) have had a pretty big upturn in form after him. I said he had a lot of resources with a decent expensive squad and got it relegated. Or the other way of looking at it is that he got them into the premier league for the first time in their history and kept a small club there for 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 3 minutes ago, TWar said: Player sucks up to current manager in media puff piece, stop the presses... PLayer praises manager for positive impact he's had on the club on and just as importantly off the pitch, something spreadsheets cant tell you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Turkish said: Or the other way of looking at it is that he got them into the premier league for the first time in their history and kept a small club there for 5 years. That small club spent an absolute fortune both getting up and in the prem. Which is more relevant than whether you think they are a big team or not. Also we've done the Howe conversation, it's not changing by the fact he can scrape a couple of wins together when he signs top players for big money, like most predicted he would. 4 minutes ago, Turkish said: PLayer praises manager for positive impact he's had on the club on and just as importantly off the pitch, something spreadsheets cant tell you. I reckon there isn't a single manager in prem history who has at no point had a player hail their impact in a club commissioned media puff piece. Maybe someone who managed like 5 games. Ralph was asked about Bednarek doing a similar thing the other day and basically said "ofcourse he gave a good answer, I'm his boss!" If you are genuinely impressed by the "player X hails impact of new manager, says he has been great" then I have a bridge to sell you. Edited 27 February, 2022 by TWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 Just now, TWar said: That small club spent an absolute fortune both getting up and in the prem. Which is more relevant than whether you think they are a big team or not. Also we've done the Howe conversation, it's not changing by the fact he can scrape a couple of wins together when he signs top players for big money, like most predicted he would. I reckon there isn't a single manager in prem history who has at no point had a player hail their impact. Maybe someone who managed like 5 games. If you are genuinely impressed by the "player X hails impact of new manager, says he has been great" then I have a bridge to sell you. Chris Wood, Burn, Targett top players 🤣🤣 I remember people laughing at Newcastle when they signed all of those mocking how they signed Villa reserve left back and how they got Chris Wood instead of Mbappe. Now they’ve got a few results they’re top players 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, TWar said: Howe doesn't spend the money, they have a DoF They don't have a DoF yet though, that will be Dan Ashworth once his gardening leave is over. Until then he is unable to have any influence over Newcastle. Their current signings have been overseen by the legacy scouting that spent £40m on Joelinton. There is no doubt that Howe had a significant involvement, probably the primary involvement, in every single addition they made in January. Edited 27 February, 2022 by S-Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Turkish said: Chris Wood, Burn, Targett top players 🤣🤣 I remember people laughing at Newcastle when they signed all of those mocking how they signed Villa reserve left back and how they got Chris Wood instead of Mbappe. Now they’ve got a few results they’re top players 🤣🤣🤣🤣 We forgetting about La Liga winner and England International Trippier? Also I thought you were saying Howe spent well, now you are saying they didn't get any quality from of the biggest January spend in europe. Make your mind up... Edited 27 February, 2022 by TWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: They don't have a DoF yet though, that will be Dan Ashworth once his gardening leave is over. Until then he is unable to have any influence over Newcastle. Their current signings have been overseen by the legacy scouting that spent £40m on Joelinton. There is no doubt that Howe had a significant involvement, probably the primary involvement, in every single addition they made in January. They brought in some fella who was the former DoF of celtic on a short term deal to do their Jan business I thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 28 minutes ago, Turkish said: Thought he was crap at spending money? Werent we told that's when it all started going wrong at Bournemouth? You really are a sanctimonious bugger aren’t you? It definitely started going wrong at Bournemouth when they/he started spending money. What you conveniently forget, or are ignorant enough not to know, is at Bournemouth Howe ran the show. At Newcastle he’s just the Head Coach. They’ve spent loads on new players, they’ve had an easy run of fixtures and they’ve picked up a bit yes. But it certainly didn’t start when Howe walked through the door, there was no new manager bounce, check the results as proof. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 2 minutes ago, TWar said: They brought in some fella who was the former DoF of celtic on a short term deal to do their Jan business I thought? They've got Nicky Hammond, if that's who you mean. More of a consultant and advisor than a DoF though, he wouldn't have had any major influence in their signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 5 minutes ago, TWar said: We forgetting about La Liga winner and England International Trippier? Also I thought you were saying Howe spent well, now you are saying they didn't get any quality from one of the biggest January spends in europe. Make your mind up... I didn’t give an opinion on Howes spending, other people claiming it’s all down to spending money i simply said that his critics point to being crap at spending money as a weakness. seems like his transformed a load of players people laughed at a few weeks back into “top players” so it seems it’s you that needs to make your mind up pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 Just now, S-Clarke said: They've got Nicky Hammond, if that's who you mean. More of a consultant and advisor than a DoF though, he wouldn't have had any major influence in their signings. If he had no major impact why would they bring him in? Tbh I reckon Ashworth knew he was off and was working with them on the sly as he is still under contract. Cant prove it but for me I don't think you bring in a new DoF months after spending that sort of money when he has clearly been lined up for a while and he gets no say. Seems unlikely to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 Just now, Turkish said: I didn’t give an opinion on Howes spending, other people claiming it’s all down to spending money i simply said that his critics point to being crap at spending money as a weakness. seems like his transformed a load of players people laughed at a few weeks back into “top players” so it seems it’s you that needs to make your mind up pal. They spent the most money in europe and are now doing better, they really weren't before then. It's pretty simple... Whoever did the signings (probably not Howe) it wasn't deft scouting to notice Trippier et al. were good assets, everyone knows that, they are just rich as fuck as they are owned by a state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 To be honest,I always thought Howe was a pretty decent manager,certainly for a mid table Premier outfit like us. I think too many people are blinkered because of his Bournemouth and Skate links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 12 minutes ago, beatlesaint said: It definitely started going wrong at Bournemouth when they/he started spending money. To be fair, the season they went down they got fucked by injuries and their best players wanting moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloggy saint Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 50 minutes ago, stevy777_x said: With how much money spent remind me? Not an awful lot. He's bought in 4(?) players, 2 of which everyone here said were crap, so he must be doing something right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 Just now, cloggy saint said: Not an awful lot. Literally the most in europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 4 minutes ago, TWar said: They spent the most money in europe and are now doing better, they really weren't before then. It's pretty simple... Whoever did the signings (probably not Howe) it wasn't deft scouting to notice Trippier et al. were good assets, everyone knows that, they are just rich as fuck as they are owned by a state. 12 minutes ago, beatlesaint said: You really are a sanctimonious bugger aren’t you? It definitely started going wrong at Bournemouth when they/he started spending money. What you conveniently forget, or are ignorant enough not to know, is at Bournemouth Howe ran the show. At Newcastle he’s just the Head Coach. They’ve spent loads on new players, they’ve had an easy run of fixtures and they’ve picked up a bit yes. But it certainly didn’t start when Howe walked through the door, there was no new manager bounce, check the results as proof. No mate I just point and laugh at the bullshit on here that’s all. Howe is a crap manager look how bad Bournemouth did when he had money. Now Howe is only doing well because he’s got money. 6 weeks ago all of there signings were being laughed at, now suddenly Targett and Burn are “top players”. He’s only doing well because they spent a fortune on top players. Matthew frigging Targett, it’s laughable. He gets praised for having a lot of positive impact at the club and that’s just a player sucking up to the manager. Some people so desperate to be right they make come out with some right old clap trap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 1 minute ago, cloggy saint said: Not an awful lot. He's bought in 4(?) players, 2 of which everyone here said were crap, so he must be doing something right. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Turkish said: No mate I just point and laugh at the bullshit on here that’s all. Howe is a crap manager look how bad Bournemouth did when he had money. Now Howe is only doing well because he’s got money. 6 weeks ago all of there signings were being laughed at, now suddenly Targett and Burn are “top players”. He’s only doing well because they spent a fortune on top players. Matthew frigging Targett, it’s laughable. He gets praised for having a lot of positive impact at the club and that’s just a player sucking up to the manager. Some people so desperate to be right they make come out with some right old clap trap They spent the most money europe. Chatting on and on about the two signings you don't think aren't great doesn't change that. And this was on top of an already very expensive team. Edited 27 February, 2022 by TWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloggy saint Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 2 minutes ago, TWar said: Literally the most in europe Maybe, but that's probably down to the rest of Europe not spending much. 100m by today's standards is not big money for 4 players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 Generally I think Howe is doing a decent job, if you looked at their squad prior to the season you'd say they're probably good enough to stay up as was and Bruce was having a disaster. Willock, Wilson, Fraser, Almiron, Saint-Maximin etc - decent mid-table and above players throughout their core. I even quite like Schar and he's decent to build something around. He didn't have a quick start but he somewhat steadied the ship I felt, he's had to wait to get certain players fit and up to the right level (Fraser in particular) and now he's reaping the rewards. He obviously knows how to get the best out of Fraser as Bruce never managed it. The additions in January aren't world beating, but they've added more experience and know-how which can only help. They'll still lose games between now and the end, but I can see them finishing in and around 40 pts which would be a job well done. The next step is seeing if Howe can take them to the next level, i.e pushing top half/top 6 as they're clearly going to spend like maniacs in the summer. I'll be interested to see what happens next year as the expectations will be on a whole new level. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 1 minute ago, cloggy saint said: Maybe, but that's probably down to the rest of Europe not spending much. 100m by today's standards is not big money for 4 players. It's pretty sizeable, for us we could use it to break our all time transfer record 4 times. £100m might be a sensible (although still on the high side) sum of money for teams like City or Juve but for a team competing where Newcastle are it is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 3 minutes ago, TWar said: They spent the most money europe. Chatting on and on about the two signings you don't think aren't great doesn't change that. And this was on top of an already very expensive team. On Villas reserve left back, the fourth best centre back at Brighton, a striker who hasn’t scored yet and aging right back, who is a good player but is now going to be injured for a while and Guimeres who hasn’t started a game yet. “Top players” indeed 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 1 minute ago, Turkish said: On Villas reserve left back, the fourth best centre back at Brighton, a striker who hasn’t scored yet and aging right back, who is a good player but is now going to be injured for a while and Guimeres who hasn’t started a game yet. “Top players” indeed 🤣 Calling Trippier an "aging right back" as your review after how good he's been... Either way, can I ask you, who made the signings and are they good signings? Seems Howe's biggest strength is spending a tonne of money to secure lower mid table prem finishes and getting wanked off by people who like to paint him as a plucky underdog. This time he's managing despite being backed by a literal state. Very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloggy saint Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 8 minutes ago, TWar said: It's pretty sizeable, for us we could use it to break our all time transfer record 4 times. £100m might be a sensible (although still on the high side) sum of money for teams like City or Juve but for a team competing where Newcastle are it is huge. Why compare their spending to ours? 100m would break Doncaster Rovers' record transfer 100 times, so what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 Just now, cloggy saint said: Why compare their spending to ours? 100m would break Doncaster Rovers' record transfer 100 times, so what? Well they beat Brentford, Villa, Everton and Leeds. To teams of that size a £100m window is big big money. If they routinely dispatching top sides then it would be impressive. But with that sort of investment on top of an already expensive squad you'd expect them to best a couple of relegation threatened to mid table cloggers all of which on dreadful form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 12 minutes ago, cloggy saint said: Why compare their spending to ours? 100m would break Doncaster Rovers' record transfer 100 times, so what? You do know that for a bottom 3 club spending 100 million to get out of it is a huge amount of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Kidd Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 Just now, stevy777_x said: You do know that for a bottom 3 club spending 100 million to get out of it is a huge amount of money. Agree with that, and also, Trippier didnt cost much as he was out of contract in 6 months, making most of the spend on 3 other players, unless i missed something with the finances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 16 minutes ago, cloggy saint said: Why compare their spending to ours? 100m would break Doncaster Rovers' record transfer 100 times, so what? Because people wanted him here instead of Hasenhuttl. He wouldn’t have the budget he had at Bournemouth here, forgetting the one he has at Newcastle and I don’t think people would take too kindly to us getting knocked out of the FA Cup by Cambridge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Billy the Kidd said: Agree with that, and also, Trippier didnt cost much as he was out of contract in 6 months, making most of the spend on 3 other players, unless i missed something with the finances. Trippier also will cost quite a lot more I heard somewhere. If Newcastle stay up I think they are due to pay another £20m or something for him. Edited 27 February, 2022 by TWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 27 February, 2022 Share Posted 27 February, 2022 On Newcastle, I think the stars have aligned for them. A few new faces gave them a boost on the training ground when they got the cash injection and it coincided with the best run of fixtures you could ask for. Their 4 wins: Leeds A 0-1 - Leeds have been dross for weeks Everton H 3-1 - we’ve seen Everton’s away form for ourselves, one of the easiest fixtures on the calendar. Set on their way by an awful wall for Tripper FK Villa H 1-0 - Villa in terrible form too, lucky deflected FK from Trippier Brentford A 0-2 - played 80 mins against 10 men, put on a plate for them And 1-1 draws with Watford H, and West Ham A amongst that. It’s a good run but it’s all gone their way. Amusingly, their shit £25m striker is still shit and hasn’t scored, their star man has got injured, Targett tbf has been 6-7/10 every week. Burn has given them some more presence at the back. I still think they’ll lose plenty of games but sadly they’ve done enough to stay up 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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