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Everton are so, so poor at the moment. The run they are on is on par with ours from last January - only 6 points from 36 (assuming they don't get anything from this game). Can't see Benitez lasting the season. If they don't buck their ideas up and get something from this game then I doubt he'll last til the end of January. 

And with that, Gordon makes it 1-2. He's been their only bright spark so far. 

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1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

Without JWPs bizarre cross field pass in the 97th minute, Brighton would have been level on points with us an hour ago. He’s a decent mid-table manager, like Ralph, Hodgson, Nuno and Smith. Nothing more.

Ralph and Potter are way ahead of Hodgson, Nuno and Smith imo.

I think the think about Nuno, in response to @CB Fry as well, is that his team was actually very very good. Because of interactions with Mendes he was signing absolutely class players like Jimenez, Patricio, Neves, Moutinho, Jota who were all a lot better than what Brighton were working with. Brighton have players who are comparable now but that is mainly due to Potter improving them.

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12 minutes ago, TWar said:

Mancini? As in the Italy manager?

I think he could replace Arteta, I think he could have replaced Jose at Spurs instead of Nuno, I think he could easily replace Rangnick, especially since he is only an interim manager and is going to be stepping aside at the end of the season. Moyes I think he's better than, Moyes is doing well right now but across his career has been pretty shocking at multiple points, I think if Potter had this West ham side he'd do similar. When Klopp and Guardiola leave (seemingly in the next 2 years by the looks) both City and Liverpool could do a lot worse.

You need to leave the dope alone. There is no way that Potter gets the Man City or Liverpool jobs. 

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4 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

You need to leave the dope alone. There is no way that Potter gets the Man City or Liverpool jobs. 

Not now, but in 2 years when Pep/Klopp retire if he keeps going the way he is I think he's a decent shout.

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I like potter, I think he’s got a big future ahead of him and has done a decent job with Brighton, specifically changing their whole style of play. 
 

However, talk of getting the city / Liverpool job is clearly nonsense, which doesn’t surprise me considering who’s touted it. His next job will be at a Everton, Leicester, West Ham type club who are competing with top 6 but not just there. 
 

My money is on Leicester when Brendan leaves. 

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3 minutes ago, Dman said:

I like potter, I think he’s got a big future ahead of him and has done a decent job with Brighton, specifically changing their whole style of play. 
 

However, talk of getting the city / Liverpool job is clearly nonsense, which doesn’t surprise me considering who’s touted it. His next job will be at a Everton, Leicester, West Ham type club who are competing with top 6 but not just there. 
 

My money is on Leicester when Brendan leaves. 

Yep if he’s lucky

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4 minutes ago, Dman said:

I like potter, I think he’s got a big future ahead of him and has done a decent job with Brighton, specifically changing their whole style of play. 
 

However, talk of getting the city / Liverpool job is clearly nonsense, which doesn’t surprise me considering who’s touted it. His next job will be at a Everton, Leicester, West Ham type club who are competing with top 6 but not just there. 
 

My money is on Leicester when Brendan leaves.

I didn't say it would be his next job. I agree, I think he'll get a spurs/arsenal/Leicester/everton/west ham job next if he's lucky and if he continues to impress he could end up going there in two years or so when Pep/Klopp move on.

What do you reckon the san marino manager will get though? Is the real question, it's been ages since he proved himself better than a prem manager, where is his prem job?

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6 minutes ago, Dman said:

I like potter, I think he’s got a big future ahead of him and has done a decent job with Brighton, specifically changing their whole style of play. 
 

However, talk of getting the city / Liverpool job is clearly nonsense, which doesn’t surprise me considering who’s touted it. His next job will be at a Everton, Leicester, West Ham type club who are competing with top 6 but not just there. 
 

My money is on Leicester when Brendan leaves. 

Yes, that is the type of career trajectory he's on.

You don't finish 15th and 16th and then suddenly get a top 6 Prem job.

Absolutely insane stuff from Twar yet again.

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9 minutes ago, Dman said:

I like potter, I think he’s got a big future ahead of him and has done a decent job with Brighton, specifically changing their whole style of play. 
 

However, talk of getting the city / Liverpool job is clearly nonsense, which doesn’t surprise me considering who’s touted it. His next job will be at a Everton, Leicester, West Ham type club who are competing with top 6 but not just there. 
 

My money is on Leicester when Brendan leaves. 

Yeah if Potter is really that good, he may get the Pompey or San Marino jobs, should they ever come free 😉

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9 minutes ago, Sunglasses Ron said:

The bottom four teams are seriously naff, at the current rate I think we only need about 4 more points to be safe!

Gap has built up between bottom 4 and the rest after Leeds beating Burnley. Leeds in trouble after Lowton hit by a drinks bottle on the full after Cornet scored. With the murderers about to embark on a spending spree I wouldn’t want to be Watford either. Aim to get at least 4 points from the two postponed home games this month and suspensions spent at Swansea.

Added to Saints Christmas results, the other results have gone well. Key is to get a takeover completed now, selling JWP to fund debt in the summer not sustainable and would ruin this season’s hard work so far. 

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4 minutes ago, TWar said:

I didn't say it would be his next job. I agree, I think he'll get a spurs/arsenal/Leicester/everton/west ham job next if he's lucky and if he continues to impress he could end up going there in two years or so when Pep/Klopp move on.

What do you reckon the san marino manager will get though? Is the real question, it's been ages since he proved himself better than a prem manager, where is his prem job?

Now I’m not a betting man but I’d bet that Potter does not rock up as manager of Man City or Liverpool when the current managers move in/retire. To get those jobs he will need to gain champions league experience. He might get that with Leicester but I doubt it. He will not get it with arsenal. Everton? Please. Spurs? West Ham……

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10 minutes ago, TWar said:

I didn't say it would be his next job. I agree, I think he'll get a spurs/arsenal/Leicester/everton/west ham job next if he's lucky and if he continues to impress he could end up going there in two years or so when Pep/Klopp move on.

What do you reckon the san marino manager will get though? Is the real question, it's been ages since he proved himself better than a prem manager, where is his prem job?

So when you said "top, top job" you meant West Ham and Leicester? 

But they have not had a vacancy, so not sure why you are so surprised Potter isn't managing there yet.

Potter basically needs a stand out season in the Prem first.

You know, finishing top eight once or twice.

You know, like Nuno.

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11 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

So when you said "top, top job" you meant West Ham and Leicester? 

But they have not had a vacancy, so not sure why you are so surprised Potter isn't managing there yet.

Potter basically needs a stand out season in the Prem first.

You know, finishing top eight once or twice.

You know, like Nuno.

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18 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

So when you said "top, top job" you meant West Ham and Leicester? 

But they have not had a vacancy, so not sure why you are so surprised Potter isn't managing there yet.

Potter basically needs a stand out season in the Prem first.

You know, finishing top eight once or twice.

You know, like Nuno.

The quality of your achievement as a manager is how well you do with the squad at your disposal. Considering the squad he has Potter has consistently been one of the best managers in the league in that regard, alongside Dyche and to a lesser extent Ralph.

Nuno finished above Brighton, yes, but the players joining Wolves even when they were in the championship are a different level of quality than those Brighton manage who, like us, focus more on developing young players and academy products because they are not a "drop £40m on a player" team.

For example, Brighton have needed a top striker for about 3 years, in that time Wolves have signed two strikers worth over £35m. Do you not think if Brighton had that sort of money they would do better? Brightons two starting forwards today (Maupay and Trossard) combined cost less than the back up striker wolves signed last season who has played 34 minutes all season.

Nuno signed a bunch of players who were doing well and played them in a adequate fashion, some improved slightly, some got worse. Potter takes random players who have never played in the big leagues of Europe and from his academy and makes them class. Not the same at all.

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1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Everton are so, so poor at the moment. The run they are on is on par with ours from last January - only 6 points from 36 (assuming they don't get anything from this game). Can't see Benitez lasting the season. If they don't buck their ideas up and get something from this game then I doubt he'll last til the end of January. 

And with that, Gordon makes it 1-2. He's been their only bright spark so far. 

Personally I’ve been very impressed with the job Benitez is doing there 

I’ll also put my cock on the block and predict Graham Potter won’t be replacing Kloop, Guardiola, Arteta and won’t ever manage Manchester United 

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1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Personally I’ve been very impressed with the job Benitez is doing there 

What was he supposed to do though? Like he's had his two best forwards out basically all season, the club backed him to the tune of about £2m to sign two starting attacking mids, and he's come into a team where the fanbase was already against him before he even got started. Benitez was set up to fail more than anyone else I've seen in recent times. He had a good start considering it all, it fell away after a while when even his back ups starting going down injured (Townsend), but Benitez is a class manager, he has shown that repeatedly throughout his career.

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1 minute ago, TWar said:

What was he supposed to do though? Like he's had his two best forwards out basically all season, the club backed him to the tune of about £2m to sign two starting attacking mids, and he's come into a team where the fanbase was already against him before he even got started. Benitez was set up to fail more than anyone else I've seen in recent times. He had a good start considering it all, it fell away after a while when even his back ups starting going down injured (Townsend), but Benitez is a class manager, he has shown that repeatedly throughout his career.

Correct. Which is why them in 15th place losing half their games is not the stuff to be impressed by. 

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6 minutes ago, TWar said:

What was he supposed to do though? Like he's had his two best forwards out basically all season, the club backed him to the tune of about £2m to sign two starting attacking mids, and he's come into a team where the fanbase was already against him before he even got started. Benitez was set up to fail more than anyone else I've seen in recent times. He had a good start considering it all, it fell away after a while when even his back ups starting going down injured (Townsend), but Benitez is a class manager, he has shown that repeatedly throughout his career.

Why would Everton set him up to fail? If he fails so do they?

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8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Correct. Which is why them in 15th place losing half their games is not the stuff to be impressed by. 

You can only manage the team you have. He also did well with Newcastle, and they were relegated. Yet any newcastle fan you talk to will love him. Same with Potter, same with Rafa, same with Ralph. A manager can only be properly judged if you have a good idea of squad quality.

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4 minutes ago, TWar said:

You can only manage the team you have. He also did well with Newcastle, and they were relegated. Yet any newcastle fan you talk to will love him. Same with Potter, same with Rafa, same with Ralph. A manager can only be properly judged if you have a good idea of squad quality.

So you think the Everton squad is currently one of the worst 6 in the premier league?

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16 minutes ago, Turkish said:

So you think the Everton squad is currently one of the worst 6 in the premier league?

Without DCL, Richarlison, and Digne who between them have played 2400 minutes out of a possible like 5400. Yeah, probably, I think they are in the bottom 6 squads.

They are a team with three very good players (DCL, Richarlison, Digne) a couple of pretty good players (Doucoure, Allan) and then a pretty weak team with very little depth. If their big hitters go out they are a bit fucked, we are seeing that this season.

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8 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

How many league matches do you reckon Liverpool are going to play without Mane and Salah? I’m going with 0.

“The premier league can confirm we have accepted Liverpools application to postpone all premier league games in January due to covid, injuries and international call ups”

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7 minutes ago, TWar said:

Without DCL, Richarlison, and Digne who between them have played 2400 minutes out of a possible like 5400. Yeah, probably, I think they are in the bottom 6 squads.

They are a team with three very good players (DCL, Richarlison, Digne) a couple of pretty good players (Doucoure, Allan) and then a pretty weak team with very little depth. If their big hitters go out they are a bit fucked, we are seeing that this season.

So where should they be then, given what you say about their squad and how well you think their manager is performing?

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