Saint86 Posted 8 June, 2022 Share Posted 8 June, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Saint_clark said: The defender clearly played the ball in a deliberate action. Not lucky at all, 100% a penalty. Kane is offside as the ball is played by Grealish, it comes off the defender within a second, and deflects towards Kane. No one even controls the ball before it leaving Grealish's foot and it reaching Kane - its all part of the same pass, albeit deflected. I'm not even sure there is significant contact on Kane for it to be a pen, looks like he slipped to me every time i watch it. All in all, that's a very lucky pen for England to have been given for me, and one I could easily see VAR not giving. Kane took the pen well though after a reasonable pause, so fair play for that. Edited 8 June, 2022 by Saint86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 June, 2022 Share Posted 8 June, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, maysie said: He deliberately played it in my opinion - he was stretching for it As was Fabhino vs Madrid...? Edited 8 June, 2022 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 June, 2022 Share Posted 8 June, 2022 3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: Although the performance from England was poor, at least they took the knee, Kane had a rainbow colour armband - like the colours of the stadium, and Ch4’s coverage was excellently diverse. A night to be proud of for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 8 June, 2022 Share Posted 8 June, 2022 Whether the defender's touch is deliberate is irrelevant in this case. When the ball is played to Kane he is offside, flag should go up, free kick. Had he had been onside when the ball is played to him, but in an offside position when the ball is deflected to him, then he is not offside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 8 June, 2022 Share Posted 8 June, 2022 ....... that is, "not offside" if the defender's touch is considered deliberate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 8 June, 2022 Share Posted 8 June, 2022 28 minutes ago, Victor said: Whether the defender's touch is deliberate is irrelevant in this case. When the ball is played to Kane he is offside, flag should go up, free kick. Had he had been onside when the ball is played to him, but in an offside position when the ball is deflected to him, then he is not offside. Agree he was definitely offside, not even mentioned on the commentary and ref surely saw that when looking at VAR, I must be missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 June, 2022 Share Posted 8 June, 2022 32 minutes ago, Victor said: Whether the defender's touch is deliberate is irrelevant in this case. When the ball is played to Kane he is offside, flag should go up, free kick. Had he had been onside when the ball is played to him, but in an offside position when the ball is deflected to him, then he is not offside. It is not an offence to be in an offside position. These officials know what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 8 June, 2022 Share Posted 8 June, 2022 35 minutes ago, Victor said: Whether the defender's touch is deliberate is irrelevant in this case. When the ball is played to Kane he is offside, flag should go up, free kick. Had he had been onside when the ball is played to him, but in an offside position when the ball is deflected to him, then he is not offside. The ball wasn’t played to Kane it was to Sterling -the defender then intercepted and it went to Kane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 June, 2022 Share Posted 8 June, 2022 2 hours ago, trousers said: As was Fabhino vs Madrid...? I agree, that goal should have stood by the letter of the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 8 June, 2022 Share Posted 8 June, 2022 Stuart Armstrong and Adams both playing well for Scotland who are 2-0 up against Armenia, nearly half time. Armstrong hit the post early on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Mulgrew Posted 8 June, 2022 Share Posted 8 June, 2022 Bedders hit for 6 by Belgium tonight. Poland playing like Saints, it would seem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 8 June, 2022 Share Posted 8 June, 2022 12 hours ago, maysie said: The ball wasn’t played to Kane it was to Sterling -the defender then intercepted and it went to Kane Ooops! Sorry, I missed him saying "Here you are, Raheem, this one's for you not for Harry because he's in an offside position, Okay, ref, did you get that?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted 8 June, 2022 Share Posted 8 June, 2022 10 minutes ago, Victor said: Ooops! Sorry, I missed him saying "Here you are, Raheem, this one's for you not for Harry because he's in an offside position, Okay, ref, did you get that?" The play is reset by the deliberate play from the German player. https://t.co/6p2Oi4ynF4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 10 June, 2022 Share Posted 10 June, 2022 Is that right about the latest round of premier league awards? 6 Liverpool players in the team of the year. Salah wins player of the year and Klopp Manager of the year. And some media pundits do not agree with Guardiola’s view on Liverpool bias! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan Posted 10 June, 2022 Share Posted 10 June, 2022 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Is that right about the latest round of premier league awards? 6 Liverpool players in the team of the year. Salah wins player of the year and Klopp Manager of the year. And some media pundits do not agree with Guardiola’s view on Liverpool bias! Insanity! I appreciate Man City rotate more so have less stand out players but there are some odd choices there. How Son doesn't get included is beyond me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 June, 2022 Share Posted 10 June, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Is that right about the latest round of premier league awards? 6 Liverpool players in the team of the year. Salah wins player of the year and Klopp Manager of the year. And some media pundits do not agree with Guardiola’s view on Liverpool bias! They didn't even win anything ffs. They certainly didn't do it on a 'budget' either. I hate the way the media paint them, the plucky underdogs going about it the right way. Edited 10 June, 2022 by S-Clarke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 June, 2022 Share Posted 10 June, 2022 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Is that right about the latest round of premier league awards? 6 Liverpool players in the team of the year. Salah wins player of the year and Klopp Manager of the year. And some media pundits do not agree with Guardiola’s view on Liverpool bias! Yep, they've even included "Trent" in the team of the year FFS Man City only had 3 included. Rudiger and Ronaldo the other two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 June, 2022 Share Posted 10 June, 2022 5 minutes ago, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said: Insanity! I appreciate Man City rotate more so have less stand out players but there are some odd choices there. How Son doesn't get included is beyond me Mane and Ronaldo included over Son, ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 June, 2022 Share Posted 10 June, 2022 This is the team. I'd go Son over Ronaldo every day, Declan Rice over Thaigo. Surely you have to go Ederson in goal and Walker right back? There is an outside shout for Kane over Salah based on the second half of the season. Spurs kind aof went under the radar, but their form second half of the season was Top 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 10 June, 2022 Share Posted 10 June, 2022 Remember this is voted for by their fellow professionals though. That includes people down in league 2 who might not even watch much premier league football. Plus if they support a team, it's far more likely to be Liverpool than City so there may be some bias there. To add to that, they vote quite early in the season (so before Salah's form dropped off). Basically it's just a team of famous players that people have heard of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 10 June, 2022 Share Posted 10 June, 2022 (edited) . Edited 10 June, 2022 by qwertyell wrong thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 Annoying how good Obafemi is looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 1 minute ago, Baird of the land said: Annoying how good Obafemi is looking He always had pace and an eye for goal. He looks a class above any of our current strikers. He's going to be worth a lot of money in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 Feel sorry for Tomori having to line up alongside slabhead, not ideal when you’re cutting your teeth at international level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 32 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: Annoying how good Obafemi is looking Against Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 Just now, BotleySaint said: Against Scotland. He scored for us against Man United, Chelsea and West Ham. I'd rather see him coming on in the final 10 minutes of a game than Shane Long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said: He scored for us against Man United, Chelsea and West Ham. I'd rather see him coming on in the final 10 minutes of a game than Shane Long. He’s a substandard player at this level, with a questionable attitude to boot. He’s found his level in the Championship, there’s no remorse from me on this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPY Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 27 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: He’s a substandard player at this level, with a questionable attitude to boot. He’s found his level in the Championship, there’s no remorse from me on this. If he played 30/35 Premier League games a season, how many goals do you reckon he’d score? Got to be around 8-12 which is what you’d expect from a £20m player at current rates. Potentially the right decision to let go re attitude but definitely too cheap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 7 minutes ago, ChrisPY said: If he played 30/35 Premier League games a season, how many goals do you reckon he’d score? Got to be around 8-12 which is what you’d expect from a £20m player at current rates. Potentially the right decision to let go re attitude but definitely too cheap. It does seem like being released has had a positive effect on him. Whether that’s more due to also stepping down a league, time will tell. But he’s still only 21 years old so he’s doing well. As it stands now, I’d much rather him in reserve than Shane Long. But he clearly wasn’t to get game time under Ralph so, for him, he needed to leave. It may well turn out to be the wrong decision, it may turn out that he’s a Championship level striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 22 minutes ago, ChrisPY said: If he played 30/35 Premier League games a season, how many goals do you reckon he’d score? Got to be around 8-12 which is what you’d expect from a £20m player at current rates. Potentially the right decision to let go re attitude but definitely too cheap. He's only just managed 12 in the Championship, so no I don't think he's worth £20m or that he'd replicate his form if he made the step back up. It's not definitely too cheap either, Swansea incurred the risk of investing in him they might also stand to profit if he improves and they sell him. That's just football, you can't just sell every player at the maximum price of what they might be worth, otherwise Hoedt would have set us back £80m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 Shock, Prowseys corners look infinitely better with more intelligent/quality players in the box on the end of them. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 A very dour first half. Italy looking the more threatening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 Absolute zero balance here no left footers in midfield or full back too narrow and no decent crosses from left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 Stirling misses an open goal from 4 yards 🤦 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 7 minutes ago, Turkish said: Stirling misses an open goal from 4 yards 🤦 The racist abuse starting early I see. Shame on you. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 4 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: The racist abuse starting early I see. Shame on you. Well I can even that up by saying how Shit I think Mason Mount is. Great against crap premier league teams, offers little against decent opposition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 17 minutes ago, Turkish said: Stirling misses an open goal from 4 yards 🤦 8 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: The racist abuse starting early I see. Shame on you. Why is Turkish picking on a Scottish city? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said: Why is Turkish picking on a Scottish city? In that context it's like a cryptic crossword clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalCommunist Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 I want to say I'm enjoying this. But its so boring, Its better than watching adverts on ch4, but only just. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 What a snoozefest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 C4 must be over the moon they paid out for coverage of this shitty nations league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 No thrust or drive from JWP just his usual backwards and sideways safety first passes. Disappointing performance. Risk averse midfield tonight left the strikers with nothing to work on. This generation of players may have peaked last year and now look match weary and bereft of ideas. Easy night for Italy who just sat back and played for a point. Ramsdale the best England player and looks decent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 (edited) Southgate picking out JWP for praise in his post match interview Edited 11 June, 2022 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 2 hours ago, ChrisPY said: If he played 30/35 Premier League games a season, how many goals do you reckon he’d score? Got to be around 8-12 which is what you’d expect from a £20m player at current rates. Potentially the right decision to let go re attitude but definitely too cheap. Well now, let's see based on the available evidence............... He played 32 games for us in total in the Premier League. He scored 4 goals in those games. Based on that I reckon he'd score about 4 goals a season if he played 30/35 games a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 Think I’d be inclined to take a mega money offer for JWP based on that performance. Compared to Declan Rice he was way away from the level of quality. Didn’t play bad, but if someone is offering silly money it may be worth taking it. It would mean putting immense faith in the scouting and recruitment team though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 Well the last 3 years have been fun. But I think we are on the decline again! We are so boring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 Just now, Dr Who? said: Well the last 3 years have been fun. But I think we are on the decline again! We are so boring! Tbf England under Southgate have very often been more functional than entertaining. We really don’t seem to have anyone close to providing competition for Kane though. Abraham is not it and there’s not many else pushing a claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, stknowle said: Well now, let's see based on the available evidence............... He played 32 games for us in total in the Premier League. He scored 4 goals in those games. Based on that I reckon he'd score about 4 goals a season if he played 30/35 games a season. Somewhat false/unfair equivalence IMO. He was on the field for 857 minutes during those 32 games, so an average of c.26 minutes per game; roughly a quarter of each game. That's equivalent to 9.5 full games. In other words, give him more minutes on the pitch in the premier League and he *might* score more goals per game / per season... Edited 11 June, 2022 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 11 June, 2022 Share Posted 11 June, 2022 11 minutes ago, The Kraken said: Think I’d be inclined to take a mega money offer for JWP based on that performance. Compared to Declan Rice he was way away from the level of quality. Didn’t play bad, but if someone is offering silly money it may be worth taking it. It would mean putting immense faith in the scouting and recruitment team though. Pretty much how I saw it. You could see he’s not quite top level - absolutely no shame in that (and might mean we get to keep him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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