Turkish Posted 28 May, 2022 Share Posted 28 May, 2022 3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Unsure if this Liverpool team are the greatest ever(tm), it not. I’m really not sure how Owen was arguing they’re still the best team in Europe when they didn’t win the champions league to their own domestic league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 28 May, 2022 Share Posted 28 May, 2022 Just now, Turkish said: I’m really not sure how Owen was arguing they’re still the best team in Europe when they didn’t win the champions league to their own domestic league. Because they're the bestestest ever. Because they are. Calm down our kid. Eh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sfcphilc Posted 28 May, 2022 Share Posted 28 May, 2022 What a beautiful way to end the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 28 May, 2022 Share Posted 28 May, 2022 Not a goal scored in open play in their 3x cup finals. They win domestic cups on penalties, miss out on the rest. Still a good season for them, however! Klopp still wins LMA and Premier League Manager of the year, and some still claim they are the best in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 28 May, 2022 Share Posted 28 May, 2022 3 minutes ago, Turkish said: I’m really not sure how Owen was arguing they’re still the best team in Europe when they didn’t win the champions league to their own domestic league. Aah, but according to him they didn't lose tonight, they missed an opportunity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 May, 2022 Share Posted 28 May, 2022 Well despite everything, lockdowns, partygate, Boris the incompetent, wagatha Christie, cost of living crisis, fuel prices rocketing and the usual mongboard feuds it’s great to see we are all United in our pleasure at Liverpool losing tonight love you all really 😍 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 28 May, 2022 Share Posted 28 May, 2022 13 minutes ago, Turkish said: Well despite everything, lockdowns, partygate, Boris the incompetent, wagatha Christie, cost of living crisis, fuel prices rocketing and the usual mongboard feuds it’s great to see we are all United in our pleasure at Liverpool losing tonight love you all really 😍 You been drinking 😳 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 28 May, 2022 Share Posted 28 May, 2022 We are just so lucky we have these as fans in our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted 28 May, 2022 Share Posted 28 May, 2022 5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: We are just so lucky we have these as fans in our country. The pepper spray and nightstick treatment is starting to make sense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 28 May, 2022 Share Posted 28 May, 2022 (edited) They barely beat anyone of any substance all season. Drew a blank in all three cup finals; lost the league because they didn't win a single game against the other teams in the top 4; had perhaps the weakest run of opponents in the CL knockout stages anyone has ever faced to reach a final. I suppose they did beat Man City reserves in the FA Cup semi. As you might expect the greatest team since sliced bread to do... Edited 28 May, 2022 by qwertyell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 (edited) Wonder if we will see a bit of decline from them now, lots of players entering the last year of their contract, looks likely Mane is leaving, could lose Salah and few others. Also wonder how many in the media will notice that TAA was culpable defensively for Real's winner proving yet again that the guy is poor defensively and that is why Southgate doesn't pick him. Edited 29 May, 2022 by tajjuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 Klopp seemed confident, telling fans to book rooms in Istanbul now for next year's final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 8 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: We are just so lucky we have these as fans in our country. What brilliant scouse wit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 8 hours ago, Turkish said: Well despite everything, lockdowns, partygate, Boris the incompetent, wagatha Christie, cost of living crisis, fuel prices rocketing and the usual mongboard feuds it’s great to see we are all United in our pleasure at Liverpool losing tonight love you all really 😍 Please don't use a capital letter in that. 🤢 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 Well at least they’ll be able to play victims again, they’ll enjoy that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: Klopp seemed confident, telling fans to book rooms in Istanbul now for next year's final. It is there? Good god. Lets hope they stuff it early, as the 'narrative' will be unbearable. Anyway, we need to do our bit and ensure we have sufficient number of candles available. We MUST show our solidarity with LFC over the coming days. Edited 29 May, 2022 by AlexLaw76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPY Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 Open top bus parade for the Scousers this afternoon. Was wondering when ours will be after a season where we also didn’t win the Premier League, didn’t win the Champions League and didn’t score in the League Cup or FA Cup final? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 24 minutes ago, iansums said: Well at least they’ll be able to play victims again, they’ll enjoy that. Expect a lot of public wailing, and the Scouse Republic to make a big thing of boycotting anything French. Don’t be surprised if this escalates into a major diplomatic incident. Nothing less than a personal apology from Macron and his resignation will be good enough. In about 30 years time the UN will be forced to agree to the Scouse Republic’s demands for an International Investigation to vindicate them, and Macron, his family, and Head of Police will be imprisoned on the Isle of Elba. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 8 minutes ago, ChrisPY said: Open top bus parade for the Scousers this afternoon. Was wondering when ours will be after a season where we also didn’t win the Premier League, didn’t win the Champions League and didn’t score in the League Cup or FA Cup final? Not sure we can take the piss too much. Glad they loss last night but they’ve still won more trophies this season than we have in our history. Sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 23 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: It is there? Good god. Lets hope they stuff it early, as the 'narrative' will be unbearable. Anyway, we need to do our bit and ensure we have sufficient number of candles available. We MUST show our solidarity with LFC over the coming days. Book your fake ticket and start building up your sense of entitlement, despite public safety, now. Plenty of time to work on conceited flags with dreadful rhyming too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 10 minutes ago, Badger said: Not sure we can take the piss too much. Glad they loss last night but they’ve still won more trophies this season than we have in our history. Sad but true. I'm off to look at our pics of our women's team and their 3 trophies, to get me over the heartbreak of the world conspiring against Liverpool men's destiny of the quadruple. 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 29 May, 2022 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2022 Quite amusing reading some of the uninformed shit on here. Every club takes fans without tickets to the city hosting the final. Were you all pissing yourselves over 100,000 Rangers fans descending on Seville? also nicely compliant Saints fans having more faith in the French police than deserved from anything I have witnessed first hand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 Isn't it strange how it is always Liverpool fans have trouble getting into grounds. Man City fans, Chelsea fans, Arsenal fans or any other fans never seem to have any issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 The fake ticket story that is the football authorities excuse was put in perspective by the Liverpool player Robertson who gave an official ticket to his mate . His mate was told at the turnstile it was a fake ! It’s possible after Heysel that they are very wary of Liverpool fans ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 10 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: We are just so lucky we have these as fans in our country. They've forgotten the large '39'. But then, they always do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 Or maybe it should be '14' for the innocent Liverpool fans found guilty of manslaughter and jailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 For those alive at the time of Heysel, was there a lot of anger towards Liverpool in this country for the subsequent ban on English clubs? Or was the anger more directed towards UEFA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, ChrisPY said: Open top bus parade for the Scousers this afternoon On the anniversary of the Heysel disaster then... Edited 29 May, 2022 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 (edited) There were similar scenes at the Euro Final a year ago at Wembley, it was all about the fans then and the dreadful behaviour of them. The videos I've seen from last night show exactly the same. Groups of fans jumping over railings, busting through barriers, knocking over fences - yet the fans are being absolved of any blame? Of course innocent fans are going to be caught up in the carnage which is never nice to see, but that's the only people they're interviewing so they're going to get skewed views. It looked clear to me that somehow Liverpool got more fans into their end than they should have. Real Madrid, one of the most successful clubs in the world, seem to have got through last night without many problems with their fans quite comfortably filling their end and looking more organised. But of course, it's not Liverpool's fault. Edited 29 May, 2022 by S-Clarke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 Here's another take on it. Long thread btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 13 minutes ago, The Cat said: Here's another take on it. Long thread btw. The obvious question is why the Real Madrid fans didn’t experience the same problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: The obvious question is why the Real Madrid fans didn’t experience the same problems. Because they didnt take 20,000 fans who didnt have tickets to the game ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 Just now, Whitey Grandad said: The obvious question is why the Real Madrid fans didn’t experience the same problems. Perhaps because the Spanish haven't gone through Brexit ? 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 5 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: The obvious question is why the Real Madrid fans didn’t experience the same problems. Not sure. I guess we need to read the police report if they release one. Looks like they shut some of the gates but wonder why? Was it because people had jumped fences? Was it because there was loads of people getting turned away with fake tickets? It was undoubtedly shit for the people who turned up early with legit tickets and then didn't get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 23 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said: For those alive at the time of Heysel, was there a lot of anger towards Liverpool in this country for the subsequent ban on English clubs? Or was the anger more directed towards UEFA? I was watching that game , it went on and on with no real explanation . The players were allegedly not told of any deaths . The excuse was that to abandon the game would lead to worse violence. Although the Liverpool fans were guilty of unnecessary violence which caused 39 deaths the fact that Heysel , a dilapidated small stadium was chosen to host a final was a major factor . The 5 year ban was their answer to blame the fans and not take any responsibility. Hillsborough was a culmination of having no safety certificates , ignoring previous crush incidents and a Police Chief in charge of his first big match . The usual press backed up the Police lies to blame the supporters and to this day no one has paid the price apart from the 96 and their families. I think the die was cast by Heysel for the Liverpool fans. I still find them irritating . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 1 hour ago, whelk said: Quite amusing reading some of the uninformed shit on here. Every club takes fans without tickets to the city hosting the final. Were you all pissing yourselves over 100,000 Rangers fans descending on Seville? also nicely compliant Saints fans having more faith in the French police than deserved from anything I have witnessed first hand I have never had anything but extreme courteousness and help from the French police that I have encountered. Maybe it’s you? 😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 1 hour ago, whelk said: Quite amusing reading some of the uninformed shit on here. Every club takes fans without tickets to the city hosting the final. Were you all pissing yourselves over 100,000 Rangers fans descending on Seville? also nicely compliant Saints fans having more faith in the French police than deserved from anything I have witnessed first hand Did the 100,000 Rangers fans get in the queue for the stadium? Spanish police are no saints either. It’s very much a case of the boy who cried wolf as far as Liverpool are concerned. Must have been the French police stood on the stairs in the Liverpool end because it was overfilled. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 29 May, 2022 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2022 25 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: I have never had anything but extreme courteousness and help from the French police that I have encountered. Maybe it’s you? 😉 Assume you have never followed England abroad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 29 May, 2022 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2022 1 minute ago, RedArmy said: Did the 100,000 Rangers fans get in the queue for the stadium? Spanish police are no saints either. It’s very much a case of the boy who cried wolf as far as Liverpool are concerned. Must have been the French police stood on the stairs in the Liverpool end because it was overfilled. Maybe find out how brilliant the Spanish policing was too. Seville notoriously bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 29 May, 2022 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2022 Lots of journalists reporting how it happened but seems many here are the same saps Kelvin Mackenzie speaks to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said: I was watching that game , it went on and on with no real explanation . The players were allegedly not told of any deaths . The excuse was that to abandon the game would lead to worse violence. Although the Liverpool fans were guilty of unnecessary violence which caused 39 deaths the fact that Heysel , a dilapidated small stadium was chosen to host a final was a major factor . The 5 year ban was their answer to blame the fans and not take any responsibility. Hillsborough was a culmination of having no safety certificates , ignoring previous crush incidents and a Police Chief in charge of his first big match . The usual press backed up the Police lies to blame the supporters and to this day no one has paid the price apart from the 96 and their families. I think the die was cast by Heysel for the Liverpool fans. I still find them irritating . Pretty decent summary. I was quite young when Heysel happened but I remember the scenes - game didn’t actually start until much later and was a subdued affair. What I do have a memory is of is whole bits of wall being ripped off and thrown by both sides so it wasn’t a surprise it gave way. Pamplemousse probably only remembers post-Taylor stadiums in the main but in the early and mid-80s grounds were often a safety issue waiting to happen. Around the same time you had a kid being killed where a wall collapsed at Birmingham v Leeds where fans surged at each other, St Andrew’s was another very decaying stadium. And of course this came just after the Bradford fire disaster, which wasn’t due to trouble but sheer neglect and disregard for human life. Rangers were the only British club at the time to have a modern spec major stadium after they’d rebuilt Ibrox, again after a disaster. Liverpool fans were badly behaved that evening and bar one banner at Liverpool v Juventus in the mid 2000s they’ve not really addressed that. It doesn’t mean however that their grievances about Hillsborough, the police, tabloids and government about the long-running cover up aren’t real because Duckenfield should be behind bars. Teenagers and other fans not involved in any trouble should be coming back from FA Cup Semi Finals alive. Klopp encouraging ticketless fans to travel was irresponsible IMHO. The five year ban was to cover UEFA’s arse a bit for selecting Heysel, and the domestic fan narrative and media identified this at the time. However, it did reflect about 15 years of dreadful behaviour by not only England club sides but also the national team, who they’d really like to have banned after appalling violence including Luxembourg who were hardly a rival ‘’firm’. Saints had qualified for the UEFA Cup 1984/5 and it was the end of our halycon days bar the revival under Markus and Cortese. People were angry at Liverpool fans but recognition that behaviour had been terrible for years. Things didn’t improve either, hence Thatcher proposing ID cards, Luton wouldn’t allow away fans after the Millwall riot etc live on BBC1, the West Ham v Man Utd ferry riot with both sides have continental friendlies the summer afterwards. It took Hillsborough to really tackle the state of stadia. I remember the Bert Milichip quote to the Prime Minister ‘please keep your thugs away from our football’ or words to that effect. Edited 29 May, 2022 by saint1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, saint1977 said: Pretty decent summary. I was quite young when Heysel happened but I remember the scenes - game didn’t actually start until much later and was a subdued affair. What I do have a memory is of is whole bits of wall being ripped off and thrown by both sides so it wasn’t a surprise it gave way. Pamplemousse probably only remembers post-Taylor stadiums in the main but in the early and mid-80s grounds were often a safety issue waiting to happen. Around the same time you had a kid being killed where a wall collapsed at Birmingham v Leeds where fans surged at each other, St Andrew’s was another very decaying stadium. And of course this came just after the Bradford fire disaster, which wasn’t due to trouble but sheer neglect and disregard for human life. Rangers were the only British club at the time to have a modern spec major stadium after they’d rebuilt Ibrox, again after a disaster. Liverpool fans were badly behaved that evening and bar one banner at Liverpool v Juventus in the mid 2000s they’ve not really addressed that. It doesn’t mean however that their grievances about Hillsborough, the police, tabloids and government about the long-running cover up aren’t real because Duckenfield should be behind bars. Teenagers and other fans not involved in any trouble should be coming back from FA Cup Semi Finals alive. Klopp encouraging ticketless fans to travel was irresponsible IMHO. The five year ban was to cover UEFA’s arse a bit for selecting Heysel, and the domestic fan narrative and media identified this at the time. However, it did reflect about 15 years of dreadful behaviour by not only England club sides but also the national team, who they’d really like to have banned after appalling violence including Luxembourg who were hardly a rival ‘’firm’. Saints had qualified for the UEFA Cup 1984/5 and it was the end of our halycon days bar the revival under Markus and Cortese. People were angry at Liverpool fans but recognition that behaviour had been terrible for years. Things didn’t improve either, hence Thatcher proposing ID cards, Luton wouldn’t allow away fans after the Millwall riot etc live on BBC1, the West Ham v Man Utd ferry riot with both sides have continental friendlies the summer afterwards. It took Hillsborough to really tackle the state of stadia. I remember the Bert Milichip quote to the Prime Minister ‘please keep your thugs away from our football’ or words to that effect. I don’t think Duckenfield should have been the fall guy at all . The club , local council , football authorities , should have shouldered the blame . No safety certificate , previous episodes , crap stadium with no crowd control people could just keep coming in to the stadium . No appreciation of fans being jammed against the fence and refusing to open the escape doors were the fault of the Police but in those days containment was the default response , so last night still had the same issues in a way re the Football authorities and the police responce. Edited 29 May, 2022 by East Kent Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 1 hour ago, Pamplemousse said: For those alive at the time of Heysel, was there a lot of anger towards Liverpool in this country for the subsequent ban on English clubs? Or was the anger more directed towards UEFA? It was a different era, we’d had a decade of English “supporters” causing trouble or getting involved and clashing with local muppets. We weren’t solely to blame, but there was always an undercurrent of trouble whenever English blokes travelled In numbers. Personally, I felt that the majority of decent people thought enough is enough and I don’t recall too much anger over the ban. That incident together with Hillsborough, Bradford & Sky , dragged the game into the modern era. Attending football is light years away from where it was back then, for people too young to remember it is pretty hard to describe quite how bad it could be. The gentrification of football has led to a loss of atmosphere, and some right Nod’s attending games, but change needed to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 1 hour ago, whelk said: Assume you have never followed England abroad? I’ve never been able to get a ticket. That is reserved for a select few. You have to have bought tickets in order to buy tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 Liverpool fans in their thousands now making their way to a parade without tickets, these people will never learn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 2 hours ago, The Cat said: Not sure. I guess we need to read the police report if they release one. Looks like they shut some of the gates but wonder why? Was it because people had jumped fences? Was it because there was loads of people getting turned away with fake tickets? It was undoubtedly shit for the people who turned up early with legit tickets and then didn't get in. Didn’t the same thing happen when they played a cup final, 2007 was is? A load of ticketless fans turned up and meant that a lot of them got in and fans who had tickets were locked out. Yes it’s shit for those that had tickets but why not blame their own fans Rather the authorities who have to deal with thousands of selfish people who couldn’t give two shits about their own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, East Kent Saint said: I don’t think Duckenfield should have been the fall guy at all . The club , local council , football authorities , should have shouldered the blame . No safety certificate , previous episodes , crap stadium with no crowd control people could just keep coming in to the stadium . No appreciation of fans being jammed against the fence and refusing to open the escape doors were the fault of the Police but in those days containment was the default response , so last night still had the same issues in a way re the Football authorities and the police responce. You make some valid points, there was a near miss earlier in the decade, I think when Spurs were there for their 81 semi possibly at the Leppings Lane end. It’s where the recent concerns about pitch invasions and violence come from, the fences in the 1980s were very dangerous. It wasn’t just a English issue - the Dutch, Belgians and Italians had major issues eg Anderlecht, Den Haag, Feyernoord, but England was the worst pre-Iron Curtain falling. The link to last night is the mistrust and fear of English supporters in large numbers and to a lesser extent Liverpool which may come out in the wash-up as to why gates were closed earlier, turnstiles restricted. It’s understandable given the historical context but annoying if you are law-abiding Liverpool fan with a valid ticket locked out an hour or more beforehand. For greater social context, Heysel came in the start of a run of large scale disasters - Bradford, Manchester airport, Kings Cross, Herald of Free Enterprise, Clapham Junction, Piper Alpha, Marchioness, Hillsborough - in very short order. Football was but one theatre where the health and well-being of people simply didn’t matter. Some wallies complain about ‘Elf and Safety’ (which is more about insurance anyway and public liability cover premiums) but they forget all of the above events and lives lost. At least from Manchester and Hillsborough key lessons were learned and innovations made in safety and design and understanding human behaviour in crisis situationd, although it shouldn’t have taken that. Ironically although the Dell was never the biggest ground of the era it was one of the most tidy. If you encountered the old Stamford Bridge, Ewood Park, Manor Ground, Plough Lane, Molineux etc you’ll know what I mean. Heysel was every bit as bad as those and never suitable for a European Cup Final. Edited 29 May, 2022 by saint1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/24/championsleague20062007.championsleague 2007 final. Exactly the same thing happened. Must have been the Greek police fault this time 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exeter Saint Posted 29 May, 2022 Share Posted 29 May, 2022 16 hours ago, John Boy Saint said: You been drinking 😳 😁 I love you I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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