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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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35 minutes ago, Dman said:

Twar clearly didn’t rate Tripper or Wood that highly, he was still tipping Newcastle to go down 10 days after Wood signed 😂


And we’ve got ‘mid table’ Perrud, ‘Incredible talent’ Salisu, ‘£60m rated’ JWP, + his known thoughts on Adams, Tino and KWP, better squad than villa etc., yet we’re orver achieving and lucky to stay up… 

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The Left Back

The Left Back

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Surely this is a simple case where it's both Howe's work and the quality and quantity of spending in January that have contributed to their massive shift in form, not one or the other?  Howe himself has credited the winter break, and there's also new owners and the 'feel good factor' to consider.  So all these factors (and probably some other behind the scenes ones we don't even know about) have probably played a part.

The same old debate between the same old characters makes for fascinating car-crash viewing but what else is it achieving?

For my 50p's worth, Howe has done better than I expected in what was a tough assignment and the signings were a good mix of solid trusted pros with a sprinkle of stardust. It will be interesting to see what happens over the summer with them.  If they are serious about top 6 they are going to have to make some tough decisions about whether to stick with Howe and also how many of the current squad are good enough for first 11 places.

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Sarisbury Saint

Sarisbury Saint

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1 hour ago, Dman said:

Twar clearly didn’t rate Tripper or Wood that highly, he was still tipping Newcastle to go down 10 days after Wood signed 😂


And we’ve got ‘mid table’ Perrud, ‘Incredible talent’ Salisu, ‘£60m rated’ JWP, + his known thoughts on Adams, Tino and KWP, better squad than villa etc., yet we’re orver achieving and lucky to stay up… 

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Personally I thought Wood and Burn were poor signings for a club with such financial clout. Seemed desperate at the time because no one else would sign for them.

Although I’m not a big fan of Howe, he has to take credit for turning a totally demoralised, unorganised team and turning them around with a few ok-ish signings.

 Like a lot of people, I was praying he would fail.

goodymatt

goodymatt

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31 minutes ago, The Left Back said:

Surely this is a simple case where it's both Howe's work and the quality and quantity of spending in January that have contributed to their massive shift in form, not one or the other?  Howe himself has credited the winter break, and there's also new owners and the 'feel good factor' to consider.  So all these factors (and probably some other behind the scenes ones we don't even know about) have probably played a part.

The same old debate between the same old characters makes for fascinating car-crash viewing but what else is it achieving?

For my 50p's worth, Howe has done better than I expected in what was a tough assignment and the signings were a good mix of solid trusted pros with a sprinkle of stardust. It will be interesting to see what happens over the summer with them.  If they are serious about top 6 they are going to have to make some tough decisions about whether to stick with Howe and also how many of the current squad are good enough for first 11 places.

I’d agree with this. Howe has done better than expected but the money cannot be ignored. TWar has rightly pointed out how new signings in particular have contributed significantly to their upturn and goal contributions.

The feel good factor is 100% valid too, they now have positivity and are looking up, almost playing to stay in the team as it climbs. It’s an exciting journey now that players will want to be part of.

Howe’s poor start shows either the money was essential or it took him 10 games to get his methods across. Either way they will likely finish above us and given the gap we had, I don’t personally find that acceptable.

Dman

Dman

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26 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

I’d agree with this. Howe has done better than expected but the money cannot be ignored. TWar has rightly pointed out how new signings in particular have contributed significantly to their upturn and goal contributions.

The feel good factor is 100% valid too, they now have positivity and are looking up, almost playing to stay in the team as it climbs. It’s an exciting journey now that players will want to be part of.

Howe’s poor start shows either the money was essential or it took him 10 games to get his methods across. Either way they will likely finish above us and given the gap we had, I don’t personally find that acceptable.

I think it was a huge job. He basically has changed the full playing style and had a group of players who’s confidence was lower than a snakes belly. 
 

The money they’ve spent cannot be ignored, clearly. However, he’s done a great job there. Spunking money doesn’t guarantee success, just look at United & Everton. 

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GarrettIvo

GarrettIvo

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1 hour ago, Dman said:

We’re still massively inconsistent. Capable of being very good or total shite. We’ve taken a few pastings in that time as well. 

Could probably apply this all the way back to 1885.

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Wurzel

Wurzel

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I've admittedly only seen highlights of Everton's recent games but every commentary seems to consist of "Richarlison.........Richarlison.........Richarlison.........". Can't stand the guy but he appears to be trying to keep them up on his own.

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Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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Fucking hell, if Howe signs Broja next season Twar is going to have a right hate fest. 
 

The simple truth is Eddie Howe was on a hiding to nothing, if they didn’t improve  he’d be criticised for being out of his depth, if they did improve substantially, it’s down to the money. He can’t win. He’s done a decent job, certainly better than some claimed he would. Early days, whether he can go to the next level is debatable, whether he’s done well so far, isn’t. 

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Nordic Saint

Nordic Saint

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Sideways passes in front of your own goal. It doesn't matter how good your goalkeeper is, it doesn't work. Even a good midfielder stopping and playing short passes is going to give the ball away at least once every game but it's not in a danger area. But a goalkeeper doing it a few yards in front of his own goal is stupid, and the manager is even more stupid for telling him to do it. So many goals are being given away that way. 

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HarvSFC

HarvSFC

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28 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

were we once linked with Tavares? Looks terrible defensively. 

We were. Whenever I've seen Arsenal he's been the weak link. I remember him getting subbed off tactically after 35 minutes against Nottingham Forest in the cup because he wasn't up to it against a Championship side.

Same as Firpo at Leeds, Perraud was the best of the bunch that we were linked with last summer.

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JRM

JRM

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42 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Newcastle winning..........again.

Going to finish comfortably above us, unbelievable really 

egg

egg

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4 minutes ago, JRM said:

Going to finish comfortably above us, unbelievable really 

To be fair, we've been shocking recently and they've been very good. 180 degrees turnaround at both clubs, albeit in opposite directions. They've done well, sadly. 

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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4 minutes ago, JRM said:

Going to finish comfortably above us, unbelievable really 

Why? Since the middle of the January transfer window they’ve P14, W10, D1, L3. That form over a full season would give them 84 points, title winning results for over 1/3 of a season.

hackedoff

hackedoff

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7 minutes ago, JRM said:

Going to finish comfortably above us, unbelievable really 

Made the most of the Jan transfer window an event Saints like to not participate in.

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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1 minute ago, hackedoff said:

Made the most of the Jan transfer window an event Saints like to not participate in.

Hardly anyone does any serious business, it’s usually terrible value for money.

woodsaint1

woodsaint1

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37 minutes ago, JRM said:

Going to finish comfortably above us, unbelievable really 

Not conclusive yet. Their remaining games are Liverpool, City, Arsenal and Burnley away who could have their survival on the line

hackedoff

hackedoff

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27 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Hardly anyone does any serious business, it’s usually terrible value for money.

Potentially it,s been very,very good value for Newcastle apparently.

Saint_Tony

Saint_Tony

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it has worked out very well for them. Of course the likes of Eddie Howe, Chris Wood and Matt Targett wont be of any use to them in 2 seasons time but they are doing a job for now. 

JRM

JRM

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42 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Why? Since the middle of the January transfer window they’ve P14, W10, D1, L3. That form over a full season would give them 84 points, title winning results for over 1/3 of a season.

Why because if you told me at Christmas we'd get to 40 points and Newcastle would be ahead of us by then having only won a single game at that point it would seem unbelievable 

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Bad Wolf

Bad Wolf

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Pep spends silly money on players and achieves: "HE'S A FRAUD, HE'S JUST A CHECKBOOK MAN, HE CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT MONEY, HE'S OVERRATED"
Howe spends silly money on players and achieves: "OMG WHAT AN AMAZING JOB HE'S DOING, HE'S THE MESSIAH, ALL HAIL EDDIE!"

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JRM

JRM

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Bournemouth getting a 90+8 equaliser, looking shaky with Huddersfield and Forest on their tails. 

Still possible for Luton or Millwall in the play offs 

egg

egg

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12 minutes ago, Instant Classic said:

Pep spends silly money on players and achieves: "HE'S A FRAUD, HE'S JUST A CHECKBOOK MAN, HE CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT MONEY, HE'S OVERRATED"
Howe spends silly money on players and achieves: "OMG WHAT AN AMAZING JOB HE'S DOING, HE'S THE MESSIAH, ALL HAIL EDDIE!"

Err...ok mate. I'm not sure I've heard anyone say Pep is a fraud. Of those Newcastle signings, Targett, Wood, and Burn wouldn't get near a top 4 side. They were the best Newcastle could get in those positions and all credit must go to Howe for getting results with them and the rest of his squad. Don't get me wrong, Bruno is some player, but don't be trying to convince anyone that Howe has been gifted elite signings because he hasn't. 

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