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3 minutes ago, whelk said:

But Chelsea haven’t dropped Alonso as as result. De Kock it woudl appear has been told do this or don’t play. Which makes it a farce as any executive at a club could pass something down to do or don’t get picked and we’d be told the players are all behind it which is the point of it surely.

No one has said they want it to be compulsory, the SA cricket authorities appeared to have handled it very badly. I guess given their history they are keen to make a statement.

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27 minutes ago, aintforever said:

No one has said they want it to be compulsory, the SA cricket authorities appeared to have handled it very badly. I guess given their history they are keen to make a statement.

You’ve been screaming since it started that everyone wants to do it, it’s the players choice and it isn’t compulsory. Evidently you are wrong, as usual. 

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13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You’ve been screaming since it started that everyone wants to do it, it’s the players choice and it isn’t compulsory. Evidently you are wrong, as usual. 

Eh! It’s not compulsory in the Prem you bell-end, it’s always been an initiative driven by the players which is what I have said all along.

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51 minutes ago, whelk said:

But Chelsea haven’t dropped Alonso as as result. De Kock it woudl appear has been told do this or don’t play. Which makes it a farce as any executive at a club could pass something down to do or don’t get picked and we’d be told the players are all behind it which is the point of it surely.

I was answering a question to name a white player...

Regarding QdK, we don't know if he was dropped. All we know is he was asked to do it and then he didn't play. We don't know any of the details of the request, the reasoning behind it, why he didn't want to do it, why he didn't play etc.

But what we do know is that the QdK incident isn't a precursor for some woke dystopia that some are trying to imply.

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15 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Eh! It’s not compulsory in the Prem you bell-end, it’s always been an initiative driven by the players which is what I have said all along.

Brentford stopped taking the knee in the championship yet the same players suddenly started doing it again this season in the premier league. Plenty of championship clubs don’t do it including Bournemouth who did it in the premier league. yet all premier league ones do. I guess as soon as a player gets into the premier league they are overcome with the urge to take the knee which goes when they drop out.
 

Yeah it’s all driven by the players wanting to do it and nothing to do with a premier league narrative. You’re so naive  🤣

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11 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Brentford stopped taking the knee in the championship yet the same players suddenly started doing it again this season in the premier league. Plenty of championship clubs don’t do it including Bournemouth who did it in the premier league. yet all premier league ones do. I guess as soon as a player gets into the premier league they are overcome with the urge to take the knee which goes when they drop out.
 

Yeah it’s all driven by the players wanting to do it and nothing to do with a premier league narrative. You’re so naive  🤣

It’s all about showing a united front with their colleagues. You have been way off the mark from day one over this, during the pandemic I remember you lot saying there was no way they would take the knee when fans were in the stadium - now they do it to applause every week. :lol:

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8 minutes ago, aintforever said:

It’s all about showing a united front with their colleagues. You have been way off the mark from day one over this, during the pandemic I remember you lot saying there was no way they would take the knee when fans were in the stadium - now they do it to applause every week. :lol:

You keep believing that sunshine, it’s quite cute how gullible and naive you are. 

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38 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You keep believing that sunshine, it’s quite cute how gullible and naive you are. 

Yeah of course. Looks like it was one of our own who came up with the idea, doesn’t mention it being forced in him by the Marxists at the PL anywhere. :lol:

https://extra.ie/2020/12/28/sport/soccernews/mcgoldrick-taking-the-knee

 

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1 hour ago, aintforever said:

Yeah of course. Looks like it was one of our own who came up with the idea, doesn’t mention it being forced in him by the Marxists at the PL anywhere. :lol:

https://extra.ie/2020/12/28/sport/soccernews/mcgoldrick-taking-the-knee

 

Opps, this article is from December 2020. Remind me what division Sheffield United were in during 2020/21 season. 
 

and you keep believing David Mcgoldrick came up with the It all himself. Surely a knighthood awaits if it was all his idea

bit of an own goal here hun. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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11 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

 

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Yes and look why he had to do when he decided not to. Basically a press conference and extensive articles written insinuating that he should have been talking to his team mates before reaching the decision and his manager was questioned on it extensively. So it wasn't the case at all that no one cared. 

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Just now, hypochondriac said:

Yes and look why he had to do when he decided not to. Basically a press conference and extensive articles written insinuating that he should have been talking to his team mates before reaching the decision and his manager was questioned on it extensively. So it wasn't the case at all that no one cared. 

No one has been able to explain why Brentford didn’t take the knee last season but do now they’re in the premier league. Why some clubs who did in the premier league no longer do now they’re out of it. why premier league players didn’t do it in the euros yet do for their clubs. Given it all their own choice to do to show a United front you’d think they’d do it at every available opportunity given they are so much behind it.

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12 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

People were interested, that's all. He wasn't hounded or booed. Things aren't as bad as you would like to believe.

Except that’s not how it was. He had to explain his decision and was asked many questions, plus he was also criticised for it by some. 

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1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Except that’s not how it was. He had to explain his decision and was asked many questions, plus he was also criticised for it by some. 

You're just reiterating what I said, people/papers/media were interested in his reasons, so he/his club were asked questions about it. This is football, everything is over discussed. I'm sure people did criticise, they always do about everything. But he hasn't been dropped, booed or hounded for it, I didn't even notice on Tuesday.

Just google Brentford and you will find out.

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13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Except that’s not how it was. He had to explain his decision and was asked many questions, plus he was also criticised for it by some. 

Yes but you bell-ends tried to make out any player not doing it would be hounded out the game. The vast majority of fans either respected his decision, didn’t give a shite or probably even notice.

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1 minute ago, aintforever said:

Yes but you bell-ends tried to make out any player not doing it would be hounded out the game. The vast majority of fans either respected his decision, didn’t give a shite or probably even notice.

Yet another post by you with name calling and abuse, too bad you seem unable to do this. 
 

Why should he have to explain himself? If it’s entirely up to the player then there shouldn’t be any need. Why was he criticised?

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1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Yet another post by you with name calling and abuse, too bad you seem unable to do this. 
 

Why should he have to explain himself? If it’s entirely up to the player then there shouldn’t be any need. Why was he criticised?

He probably wanted to explain himself.

Do you think the PL should force players not to take the knee then?

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7 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

You're just reiterating what I said, people/papers/media were interested in his reasons, so he/his club were asked questions about it. This is football, everything is over discussed. I'm sure people did criticise, they always do about everything. But he hasn't been dropped, booed or hounded for it, I didn't even notice on Tuesday.

Just google Brentford and you will find out.

Yep. The Brentford squad believed they were ”being used at puppets” when they were in the championship. They don’t think that’s the case anymore it seems. Why is that? 

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1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Can’t explain why the Brentford squad no longer feel like they’re being used as puppets then?

They stopped taking the knee in the Championship because they felt it was losing its impact, not because they were scared of some Marxist takeover. They obviously feel that showing a united front in the Prem would have more effect.

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5 hours ago, aintforever said:

They stopped taking the knee in the Championship because they felt it was losing its impact, not because they were scared of some Marxist takeover. They obviously feel that showing a united front in the Prem would have more effect.

So they stopped doing it because it was losing impact, a Brentford player was quoted as saying they were being used a puppets.  suddenly changed their mind when they got promoted promoted though. 

what about Bournemouth? They did it in the premier league then stopped doing it when they got relegated. Why did they stop?

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6 hours ago, aintforever said:

They stopped taking the knee in the Championship because they felt it was losing its impact, not because they were scared of some Marxist takeover. They obviously feel that showing a united front in the Prem would have more effect.

You've made that up, or just assumed. They stopped because they thought it was nonsense and they were being used as puppets. They started this season because they had to - no Marxist issue, no principle pricking at them, but very simply because premier league clubs had to. 

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32 minutes ago, egg said:

You've made that up, or just assumed. They stopped because they thought it was nonsense and they were being used as puppets. They started this season because they had to - no Marxist issue, no principle pricking at them, but very simply because premier league clubs had to. 

He won’t accept it though. It’s so bleeding obvious but he keeps his fingers in his ears. Promoted teams start doing it, relegated teams stop, players do it in the premier league but not for their countries yet he keeps insisting it’s in the premier league players are desperate to do it to show how much they care. 🤣🤣

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https://www.brentfordfc.com/news/2021/august/brentford-fc-statement---club-confirms-position-on-taking-the-knee-before-matches/

But hey they are forced to do it by the Premier League and free not to elsewhere, despite this joint statement in the summmer 

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/august/efl-commits-support-for-knee-and-league-wide-anti-discrimination-activity/

All clubs and players can choose to do it or not.

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24 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

https://www.brentfordfc.com/news/2021/august/brentford-fc-statement---club-confirms-position-on-taking-the-knee-before-matches/

But hey they are forced to do it by the Premier League and free not to elsewhere, despite this joint statement in the summmer 

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/august/efl-commits-support-for-knee-and-league-wide-anti-discrimination-activity/

All clubs and players can choose to do it or not.

Have you actually read that? Read between the obvious lines in that Brentford statement. 

"We believe that in the upcoming season the collective cause of tackling discrimination and racism will be best served by acting in unison and solidarity with all our fellow Premier League teams, as was outlined in a statement from the Premier League yesterday"

Basically, doing as they're told so they're not the odd one out. 

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1 hour ago, egg said:

Have you actually read that? Read between the obvious lines in that Brentford statement. 

"We believe that in the upcoming season the collective cause of tackling discrimination and racism will be best served by acting in unison and solidarity with all our fellow Premier League teams, as was outlined in a statement from the Premier League yesterday"

Basically, doing as they're told so they're not the odd one out. 

 "We believe that in the upcoming season the collective cause of tackling discrimination and racism will be best served by acting in unison and solidarity with all our fellow Premier League teams".

You obviously fail to understand the "we believe" part.

 

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Here's Brentford's full statement, weirdly, no mention of being ordered to do anything by the Marxists at the PL:

 

Brentford FC can confirm that our players will take the knee before all First Team matches in the coming season. Our players and staff held meetings to discuss whether or not to take the knee at kick-off, having not done so since February. We believe that in the upcoming season the collective cause of tackling discrimination and racism will be best served by acting in unison and solidarity with all our fellow Premier League teams, as was outlined in a statement from the Premier League yesterday, which can be seen here. A joint statement from the football authorities followed this morning.

Taking the knee will not on its own solve the problem of racism but it will continue to draw attention to the discrimination that exists within football, as well as society generally. We all saw the support that the act of taking the knee received from fans before matches during Euro 2020. With fans now back at stadiums for the upcoming season we want to play our part in keeping the fight against discrimination at the forefront of the agenda.

 

As well as taking the knee, we will continue to invest our time and energy into taking concrete steps towards making football more respectful, fair and equal for everyone. We will continue to be at the forefront of the fight against abuse and hate on social media platforms. Our actions as a club will also demonstrate our commitment to equality.

The Club respects the rights of all individuals to show their opposition to discrimination and racism in whichever way they feel is most appropriate to them. During our meetings to discuss these issues, Ivan Toney told us that he would prefer not to take the knee and will continue to make his own personal statement before matches this season. Brentford FC stands fully behind Ivan’s decision and will continue to support him in any way we can.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Wow. The same people still getting upset about the same other people making a stand against racism. I wonder if you guys can keep it up until the end of the season?

Still pretending you have us on ignore whilst reacting to all of our posts with smiley faces? 

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4 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Here's Brentford's full statement, weirdly, no mention of being ordered to do anything by the Marxists at the PL:

 

Brentford FC can confirm that our players will take the knee before all First Team matches in the coming season. Our players and staff held meetings to discuss whether or not to take the knee at kick-off, having not done so since February. We believe that in the upcoming season the collective cause of tackling discrimination and racism will be best served by acting in unison and solidarity with all our fellow Premier League teams, as was outlined in a statement from the Premier League yesterday, which can be seen here. A joint statement from the football authorities followed this morning.

Taking the knee will not on its own solve the problem of racism but it will continue to draw attention to the discrimination that exists within football, as well as society generally. We all saw the support that the act of taking the knee received from fans before matches during Euro 2020. With fans now back at stadiums for the upcoming season we want to play our part in keeping the fight against discrimination at the forefront of the agenda.

 

As well as taking the knee, we will continue to invest our time and energy into taking concrete steps towards making football more respectful, fair and equal for everyone. We will continue to be at the forefront of the fight against abuse and hate on social media platforms. Our actions as a club will also demonstrate our commitment to equality.

The Club respects the rights of all individuals to show their opposition to discrimination and racism in whichever way they feel is most appropriate to them. During our meetings to discuss these issues, Ivan Toney told us that he would prefer not to take the knee and will continue to make his own personal statement before matches this season. Brentford FC stands fully behind Ivan’s decision and will continue to support him in any way we can.

 

 

Why do you keep mentioning Marxists? I haven't seen anyone else using that word. It's odd. 

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27 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Here's Brentford's full statement, weirdly, no mention of being ordered to do anything by the Marxists at the PL:

 

Brentford FC can confirm that our players will take the knee before all First Team matches in the coming season. Our players and staff held meetings to discuss whether or not to take the knee at kick-off, having not done so since February. We believe that in the upcoming season the collective cause of tackling discrimination and racism will be best served by acting in unison and solidarity with all our fellow Premier League teams, as was outlined in a statement from the Premier League yesterday, which can be seen here. A joint statement from the football authorities followed this morning.

Taking the knee will not on its own solve the problem of racism but it will continue to draw attention to the discrimination that exists within football, as well as society generally. We all saw the support that the act of taking the knee received from fans before matches during Euro 2020. With fans now back at stadiums for the upcoming season we want to play our part in keeping the fight against discrimination at the forefront of the agenda.

 

As well as taking the knee, we will continue to invest our time and energy into taking concrete steps towards making football more respectful, fair and equal for everyone. We will continue to be at the forefront of the fight against abuse and hate on social media platforms. Our actions as a club will also demonstrate our commitment to equality.

The Club respects the rights of all individuals to show their opposition to discrimination and racism in whichever way they feel is most appropriate to them. During our meetings to discuss these issues, Ivan Toney told us that he would prefer not to take the knee and will continue to make his own personal statement before matches this season. Brentford FC stands fully behind Ivan’s decision and will continue to support him in any way we can.

 

 

The day after the premier league release a statement saying all club will take the knee newly promoted Brentford release a statement confirming their compliance. Wow, you keep believing it was because they are fully behind it doing it because they want too 🤣🤣👏

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34 minutes ago, aintforever said:

 "We believe that in the upcoming season the collective cause of tackling discrimination and racism will be best served by acting in unison and solidarity with all our fellow Premier League teams".

You obviously fail to understand the "we believe" part.

 

What I'm getting from the 'we believe' part is that they believe the PL can and will withold PL money for not doing as they are told.

Not really a surprise that they didn't include that bit in their 'official' statement is it?

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24 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Why do you keep mentioning Marxists? I haven't seen anyone else using that word. It's odd. 

Because he’s not very bright and unless a team comes out and said they are absolutely opposed to the knee, which they will never do, he wont accept anything else. Evening though it blindingly obvious to most other people 

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36 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Wow. The same people still getting upset about the same other people making a stand against racism. I wonder if you guys can keep it up until the end of the season?

One thing is for certain that at the end of the season you’ll still be one of the biggest bellends with an Internet connection 

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5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

The day after the premier league release a statement saying all club will take the knee newly promoted Brentford release a statement confirming their compliance. Wow, you keep believing it was because they are fully behind it doing it because they want too 🤣🤣👏

Yeah brilliant, just ignore every word they said and make up your own interpretation in your little gammon head.

So the PL forced them to take the knee, except for Ivan Toney - he's alright he can do whatever he wants. :lol:

 

 

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2 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Yeah brilliant, just ignore every word they said and make up your own interpretation in your little gammon head.

So the PL forced them to take the knee, except for Ivan Toney - he's alright he can do whatever he wants. :lol:

 

 

You’re nativity is so cute. Do you still believe there is another world in the back of your wardrobe after reading a C S Lewis book?

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1 hour ago, aintforever said:

 "We believe that in the upcoming season the collective cause of tackling discrimination and racism will be best served by acting in unison and solidarity with all our fellow Premier League teams".

You obviously fail to understand the "we believe" part.

 

I fail to believe that they believe, and that you don't believe that it's PR bollox.

Unbelievable. 

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1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Wow. The same people still getting upset about the same other people making a stand against racism. I wonder if you guys can keep it up until the end of the season?

Who's upset SOG? I'm merely highlighting the link between the change of stance at Brentford after their promotion, and the telling words in their own press release. Its you that seems upset poppet. 

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26 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You’re nativity is so cute. Do you still believe there is another world in the back of your wardrobe after reading a C S Lewis book?

You're the naive one if you think the PL are ordering the players to take the knee, it would be leaked out and be a PR disaster. The Daily Mail and other gammon rags would have a field day.

The fact that some players are choosing not to do it make your whole theory complete bollocks.

 

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2 minutes ago, aintforever said:

You're the naive one if you think the PL are ordering the players to take the knee, it would be leaked out and be a PR disaster. The Daily Mail and other gammon rags would have a field day.

The fact that some players are choosing not to do it make your whole theory complete bollocks.

 

Jesus wept. 

What do you think happened to suddenly make Brentford change their mind? 

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53 minutes ago, egg said:

Jesus wept. 

What do you think happened to suddenly make Brentford change their mind? 

Promotion to a league which is viewed around the World, and seeing that as all the other clubs were doing it, a united approach would be most effective.

If the Brentford players were so against it what would stop 2, 3 or more players doing exactly what Toney does?

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1 minute ago, aintforever said:

Promotion to a league which is viewed around the World, and seeing that as all the other clubs were doing it, a united approach would be most effective.

So you're saying it was for the clubs image? 

 

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8 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Promotion to a league which is viewed around the World, and seeing that as all the other clubs were doing it, a united approach would be most effective.

If the Brentford players were so against it what would stop 2, 3 or more players doing exactly what Toney does?

 

6 minutes ago, egg said:

So you're saying it was for the clubs image? 

 

 

1 minute ago, aintforever said:

no

The PL's image?

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