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19 hours ago, whelk said:

Refereeing at the Euros showing it can be done properly. Hardly noticed VAR. 
Richest league in world should look at getting a few of these in

Just shows that the technology is sound, it's just the idiots who use it over here that make it so unbearable. It's so refreshing not having some anal-retentive dick head drawing lines from players arm pits after every goal. Just have a quick look at the replay, if the player looks in line let it go.

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1 hour ago, aintforever said:

Just shows that the technology is sound, it's just the idiots who use it over here that make it so unbearable. It's so refreshing not having some anal-retentive dick head drawing lines from players arm pits after every goal. Just have a quick look at the replay, if the player looks in line let it go.

This isn't how it's done fwiw. There's not that much difference between the process, slightly thicker lines aside, but the big difference is UEFA don't allow broadcasters to show the process being done and just allow a final image to be released which is then up to the broadcaster whether they show or not. Decisions are still made more often than not with lines, but like I said, slightly thicker ones, you just get to watch the referee waiting for the decision rather than watching the lines doing the calculation. It's the same with European competitions and most other leagues. The PL felt that showing the process was required for transparency and instead it's just caused more trouble. The PL have decided to take on the Uefa approach in regards to the slightly thicker lines next year but I don't know if they have scrapped showing the process yet.

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Saint Keef

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1 hour ago, Mystic Force said:

From the games I have seen the referees have not been very interested in giving out fouls to every contact that players make with each other. It has been quite refreshing.

That's going to ruin Jack Grealish's game plan then. 

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6 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

Really enjoying Hungary. Putting in a great shift, hope they can get Portugal with a sucker punch.

Actually played some really good stuff, put them in another group they'd probably qualify, will be a big ask in this one though even if they get a win tonight.

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3 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Going to try and avoid the post match garbage about how wonderful portugal are.

Played awfully in the 2nd half and got a completely jammy late opener from a double defelction, after which hungary went to pieces.

This. Incredible amounts of diving and whining. Got a lucky break that broke Hungary’s resolve. Was gutted for them

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16 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

I dont think I have seen anyone actually hit the target from a free kick in any game yet. Starts to show just how good JWP is at free kicks. Still can’t help thinking Southgate may regret not having a specialist in the side.

He wouldn't get in the team, so how good he is at free kicks is irrelevant. Rice and Phillips showed the other day that they're better than JWP.

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50 minutes ago, Turkish said:

None of the premier league players in the France v Germany game taking the knee, despite choosing to for every premier league game in 18 months 

How about giving the feeble culture wars garbage a rest and watch the football?

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1 hour ago, Turkish said:

None of the premier league players in the France v Germany game taking the knee, despite choosing to for every premier league game in 18 months 

What part of “give it a rest” don’t you understand??? You should be happy you’ve got your own woke TV news channel to watch all day with Priti Patel to agree with .

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3 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

What part of “give it a rest” don’t you understand??? You should be happy you’ve got your own woke TV news channel to watch all day with Priti Patel to agree with .

Give it a rest because you don’t like the fact they’re not doing it then. Funny how no one wanted to give it a rest when they were desperately applauding because they thought it was all the players own choice. Maybe those who said it wasn’t were right, is that the reason to give it a rest?

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51 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

I dont think I have seen anyone actually hit the target from a free kick in any game yet. Starts to show just how good JWP is at free kicks. Still can’t help thinking Southgate may regret not having a specialist in the side.

Germany have failed to get a shot on target so far 0 out of 8 !

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37 minutes ago, egg said:

He wouldn't get in the team, so how good he is at free kicks is irrelevant. Rice and Phillips showed the other day that they're better than JWP.

It’s all subjective though isn’t. Yes Phillips had a great game but up to that gane he had been pretty average for England. Obviously he wouldn’t get a game as because he clearly rates Phillips ahead of him. Another manager may have thought differently and you know what there would have been a different outcome maybe better maybe worse. Great Football is about teams, partnerships  and balance not often about individuals. 

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3 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

It’s all subjective though isn’t. Yes Phillips had a great game but up to that gane he had been pretty average for England. Obviously he wouldn’t get a game as because he clearly rates Phillips ahead of him. Another manager may have thought differently and you know what there would have been a different outcome maybe better maybe worse. Great Football is about teams, partnerships  and balance not often about individuals. 

JWP is neat, tidy and busy, and decent on set pieces. His problem is that he takes too long to use the ball. Rice and Phillips use the ball much quicker. We'd be a worse team with JWP in it. 

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1 hour ago, wild-saint said:

I dont think I have seen anyone actually hit the target from a free kick in any game yet. Starts to show just how good JWP is at free kicks. Still can’t help thinking Southgate may regret not having a specialist in the side.

If this supposed "specialist" played for Burnley or Crystal Palace you wouldn't give two shits whether he was in the squad or not.

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I know Whelk mentioned this previously. I think McCoist is a really good co-commentator. I was never a fan of his in years gone by, but he talks a lot of sense and puts it across in an entertaining way. Sky would do well to give him a contract and replace Mr "Depressing" Hinchcliffe and Mr "Jabbermouth" Carragher.

Not sure about the woman co-commenting on ITV the other night though. I don't know who she was but she had the most boring voice and seemed to have all the personality of a multi-story car park.

And I think another Whelk comment I have to agree with (sorry, I can't find the quotes). The referees in this tournament have been a breath of fresh air and are really showing up the clowns that we have in the Premier League. They are allowing games to flow, not stopping the game every time a player touches an opponent, by and large they are confident in their decisions and stick with them. VAR is all but invisible, but has certainly been used correctly for a couple of correct offside decisions.

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I have to laugh at Man U's forum. Topic this morning is why Pogba can play world class football for France but can't manage it for United. Lots of disgruntled fans questioning his commitment to them. It wonder if it's more than that. When Pogba plays for France he is partnered by Kante, a little powerhouse of a midfielder. When he plays for United he is partnered by Fred, enough said. When Pogba plays for France he has Mbappe in front of him but when he plays for United he sees Martial, mooching about with a face like a slapped arse and wearing a pair of wooly gloves. I rest my case.

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12 hours ago, CB Fry said:

If this supposed "specialist" played for Burnley or Crystal Palace you wouldn't give two shits whether he was in the squad or not.

Exactly. I doubted Phillips but understood why he was included as cover for rice. However, from memory (I’m sure I’ll be corrected) I’ve never seen JWP dictate a game like Phillips did and that was against an old, but very, very good midfield. 

As Egg said, we’d (England) be a worse team with JWP in it. 

His free kicks are good, but they’re no good if he’s sat on the bench. 

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13 hours ago, egg said:

JWP is neat, tidy and busy, and decent on set pieces. His problem is that he takes too long to use the ball. Rice and Phillips use the ball much quicker. We'd be a worse team with JWP in it. 

I'd have him in if we played a 3 man midfield. Agree that he doesn't get in over Rice or Phillips in the 4231 we played against Croatia though.

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13 hours ago, egg said:

JWP is neat, tidy and busy, and decent on set pieces. His problem is that he takes too long to use the ball. Rice and Phillips use the ball much quicker. We'd be a worse team with JWP in it. 

I'm not sure he does, in his final England game he was moving it on really quickly,  the opportunity to do this is  created by having players taking up intelligent positions and making good runs, he doesn't get that opportunity at Saints, whether its wholly the calibre of players, Rigid Ralphs automatonisms (or whatever they are called) or players like Redmond always making sure there is an opposition player between him and the ball. I think he would have done really well. His potential won't be realised until he moves to a better team.

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35 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

I'm not sure he does, in his final England game he was moving it on really quickly,  the opportunity to do this is  created by having players taking up intelligent positions and making good runs, he doesn't get that opportunity at Saints, whether its wholly the calibre of players, Rigid Ralphs automatonisms (or whatever they are called) or players like Redmond always making sure there is an opposition player between him and the ball. I think he would have done really well. His potential won't be realised until he moves to a better team.

You could be right, but having watched him hundreds of times, he doesn't know what he's doing with the ball until he gets it, whereas better players are always a step ahead. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, but we have better and on this issue I agree with Southgate who's seen him in training side by side Phillips, Rice, and others but prefers them.

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21 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

This isn't how it's done fwiw. There's not that much difference between the process, slightly thicker lines aside, but the big difference is UEFA don't allow broadcasters to show the process being done and just allow a final image to be released which is then up to the broadcaster whether they show or not. Decisions are still made more often than not with lines, but like I said, slightly thicker ones, you just get to watch the referee waiting for the decision rather than watching the lines doing the calculation. It's the same with European competitions and most other leagues. The PL felt that showing the process was required for transparency and instead it's just caused more trouble. The PL have decided to take on the Uefa approach in regards to the slightly thicker lines next year but I don't know if they have scrapped showing the process yet.

One difference is it seems to take much less time to reach a decision. I have also to agree with others, the refereeing does seem far superior to what we have had to endure.   

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Regarding refereeing, there’s an interesting article in The Mail from Clattenberg. He claims that UEFA have specifically told referees not to blow for cheap free kicks, the thinking being that a high % of goals are scored from them and therefore they have a massive impact on the game. As a result the free kick count is the lowest since the 80’s when they started gathering statistics. You might think this would translate into the domestic game, but maybe not. The second lowest count was the last Euros, and nothing subsequently changed domestically. Watching referees wave play on when someone falls down like they’ve been hit by a truck is a breath of fresh air. 

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8 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Regarding refereeing, there’s an interesting article in The Mail from Clattenberg. He claims that UEFA have specifically told referees not to blow for cheap free kicks, the thinking being that a high % of goals are scored from them and therefore they have a massive impact on the game. As a result the free kick count is the lowest since the 80’s when they started gathering statistics. You might think this would translate into the domestic game, but maybe not. The second lowest count was the last Euros, and nothing subsequently changed domestically. Watching referees wave play on when someone falls down like they’ve been hit by a truck is a breath of fresh air. 

Indeed it is. What I see as a backwards step is that players are very rarely punished for diving these days. It used to be a yellow card but I can’t remember seeing that in ages.

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3 hours ago, SKD said:

Exactly. I doubted Phillips but understood why he was included as cover for rice. However, from memory (I’m sure I’ll be corrected) I’ve never seen JWP dictate a game like Phillips did and that was against an old, but very, very good midfield. 

As Egg said, we’d (England) be a worse team with JWP in it. 

His free kicks are good, but they’re no good if he’s sat on the bench. 

He played well, but equally he was quite terrible at St Mary's and got subbed at half time after barely having a kick. As soon as he went off Leeds improved and went on to win. I wonder which English midfielder was playing up against him that day?

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10 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Indeed it is. What I see as a backwards step is that players are very rarely punished for diving these days. It used to be a yellow card but I can’t remember seeing that in ages.

That's the one thing I'd love to see brought in retrospectively. It's sometimes hard for the ref to make a judgement on the field in normal time because players have got so good at diving but if they started to chuck yellows at them afterwards it might at least go some way to stamping it out.

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15 minutes ago, The Cat said:

That's the one thing I'd love to see brought in retrospectively. It's sometimes hard for the ref to make a judgement on the field in normal time because players have got so good at diving but if they started to chuck yellows at them afterwards it might at least go some way to stamping it out.

I agree. They are bringing the game into disrepute, as is feigning an injury. UEFA doesn't want anything to do with it though. The Pires dive against Celtic (I think) was the opportunity to set a benchmark and they bottled it.

Good to see the refs are giving a lot of players short shrift when going down for little reason. 

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19 hours ago, Turkish said:

Give it a rest because you don’t like the fact they’re not doing it then. Funny how no one wanted to give it a rest when they were desperately applauding because they thought it was all the players own choice. Maybe those who said it wasn’t were right, is that the reason to give it a rest?

No , give it a rest means the subject has been played out and 3 threads have already been locked . Who takes the knee or doesn’t is no issue to me but in European countries esp the old eastern bloc they are racist so it makes sense to not take a knee in those circumstances. You are taking over from Glasgow as the most annoying poster , are you sure you are not Glasgow ?

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4 hours ago, The Cat said:

He played well, but equally he was quite terrible at St Mary's and got subbed at half time after barely having a kick. As soon as he went off Leeds improved and went on to win. I wonder which English midfielder was playing up against him that day?

exactly, yes he had a really decent game against Croatia (who have a really poor record over the last 9-10 games) but other than that every time ive seen him play he has been average.  I don't recall many people  saying he was a shoe in for England before that. 

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