Toussaint Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 Just now, TWar said: We were so close. I'm proud of the lads, we played quality and its coming home. Bad luck on the pens but we did ourselves proud, love the lads, and we will get this. World Cup we are back on Did we? First half maybe. This was our chance, forget the World Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said: It might have been that Southgate decided what the order should be. Given his history with penalty shootouts, you really think he would deliberately put that pressure on the shoulders of the youngest player on the pitch? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 Might be a few Bella Italia windows put through tonight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said: Meh, it’s only a game. Even before the match I was like, well, but it's not the World cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Cat said: Might be a few Bella Italia windows put through tonight. I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 (edited) Southgate has got us to a level which no other manager has achieved in my (and lots of peoples) lifetime. He's done an excellent job. Italy were the better team across the entire tournament, and the better team tonight. Edited 11 July, 2021 by CB Fry 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 2 minutes ago, Toussaint said: Did we? First half maybe. This was our chance, forget the World Cup Nah fuck that, their goal was lucky scrappy bollockz, and we almost took em, I'm hopeful mwte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 1 minute ago, TWar said: Nah fuck that, their goal was lucky scrappy bollockz, and we almost took em, I'm hopeful mwte We had one shot on goal! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 To be fair, if we'd won that we'd have robbed them. One shot on target and outplayed. We lost to the best team of the tournament, and in the night. That said, why two kids were put up after the Rashford clusterfuck I have no idea. Sterling, Stones, Shaw, Phillips or Grealish should have stepped up to the plate. Meh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangelyBrown Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 14 minutes ago, danjosaint said: But earlier thought u implied Southgate was doing great job!!! We looked clueless and toothless with some of the best youngsters around Europe, this shows somethings not working, Foden should've been on instead of Saka, Henderson was dreadful and shouldn't of been there, Saka shouldn't have been on 5th pen, to take Walker off when facing corner in last minute, we just don't create anything, we rely on keeping clean sheet then struggle like hell if we concede, we created the fewest chances in world Cup bar Morocco, I'm sorry I'm sure Southgate is very good man manager but come on something isn't working Southgate is a good leader but a poor tactician. He should have put grealish on much earlier and mount has consistently proven to be nothing but a hard worker - not exactly worthy of a starting place in a euro final. Southgate was too cautious and then failed to react to the problems that happened in the first half until way later in the game. Fundamentally he needs help from a better team - hopefully he will reflect, but I suspect he'll keep ploughing the same furrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 Fuck knows why Southgate sent up a kid to take the last pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 Scored too early again. Same as against Croatia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 3 minutes ago, Toussaint said: We had one shot on goal! Yeah, after our early goal, we really didn't do that much. It was a disappointing performance given the players at our disposal and the importance of the occasion. I thought we looked knackered after 60 minutes but didn't make a sub until the 70th by which point Italy had already equalised and taken the initiative. You could tell Mancini had managed major finals before by keeping his team fresh throughout the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 11 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Given his history with penalty shootouts, you really think he would deliberately put that pressure on the shoulders of the youngest player on the pitch? Then what was the point of those two last minute substitutes? They can only have been thrown on in order to take penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 2 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said: Southgate is a good leader but a poor tactician. He should have put grealish on much earlier and mount has consistently proven to be nothing but a hard worker - not exactly worthy of a starting place in a euro final. Southgate was too cautious and then failed to react to the problems that happened in the first half until way later in the game. Fundamentally he needs help from a better team - hopefully he will reflect, but I suspect he'll keep ploughing the same furrow. Or, heaven forbid, he might learn from his experiences and improve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 30 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said: Hell of a tournament for England. Hopefully we can carry this into the World Cup. Carry on having zero quality on the ball in midfield but getting piss easy draws? Need to build a team with more ability and less reliance on pace. Although we're on on right track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 I think I'd argue Southgate has hit par overall. I know it sounds ridiculous as an England fan, after a WC semi and a Euro final but I think we're just so used to under performing and failure. Colombia on pens, Sweden, Ukraine, Denmark and a substandard Germany who only made the knockouts after scraping a late draw with Hungary. Does this team get through Spain, France or Belgium on the other side of the draw? I'm not too sure. Anyway, fair play to the team, they gave their all tonight. Italy have looked a class above from day one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 Really not sure how those ****s kept eleven players on the pitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said: Then what was the point of those two last minute substitutes? They can only have been thrown on in order to take penalties. Yes of course. And it backfired on him. What's that got to do with Saka taking the 5th penalty though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 12 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: Got to assume Southgate expected sterling to volunteer, otherwise surely he would have been one of those taken off I would assume and hope that the days of volunteers is well over. And that the whole squad had practiced and was prepared, with the order more or less set ahead of time (with maybe minimal variation depending on how things had gone in the game). Look at the Utd vs Villarreal final, 21 players putting away perfect penalties. If we'd lost that way, or for example 6 to 7 with a brilliant save, fair enough. Missing 3 out of 5 is unforgivable. I feel for Pickford who did his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangelyBrown Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Or, heaven forbid, he might learn from his experiences and improve? I hope you are right, but he continued to play mason mount in every game.... Despite him being shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 Keane just made the obvious point. Why would Sterling or Grealish stand there and leave Saka to walk up and take that. I'd add Shaw and the other senior players to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 Just now, egg said: Keane just made the obvious point. Why would Sterling or Grealish stand there and leave Saka to walk up and take that. I'd add Shaw and the other senior players to that. I think the order is set and given to the ref before they start. No changes after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 1 minute ago, egg said: Keane just made the obvious point. Why would Sterling or Grealish stand there and leave Saka to walk up and take that. I'd add Shaw and the other senior players to that. Owen scored one against Argentina in '98. If he's been good in training and wants to take one then let him have it. Mentality trumps age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 Just now, Dark Munster said: I think the order is set and given to the ref before they start. No changes after that. Not sure about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 14 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Southgate has got us to a level which no other manager has achieved in my (and lots of peoples) lifetime. He's done an excellent job. Italy were the better team across the entire tournament, and the better team tonight. Have to agree. England players, Manager and staff were full of class throughout though. Cruel way to fall short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Yes of course. And it backfired on him. What's that got to do with Saka taking the 5th penalty though? 2 minutes ago, Dark Munster said: I would assume and hope that the days of volunteers is well over. And that the whole squad had practiced and was prepared, with the order more or less set ahead of time (with maybe minimal variation depending on how things had gone in the game). Look at the Utd vs Villarreal final, 21 players putting away perfect penalties. If we'd lost that way, or for example 6 to 7 with a brilliant save, fair enough. Missing 3 out of 5 is unforgivable. I feel for Pickford who did his best. 1 minute ago, egg said: Keane just made the obvious point. Why would Sterling or Grealish stand there and leave Saka to walk up and take that. I'd add Shaw and the other senior players to that. Southgate on the BBC just now said that the penalty takers were down to him. They had been practising them in training and he decided who should take them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 Southgate says that he chose the penalty takers based on what they've shown in practice. At least it's nice to hear a leader take responsibility. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 19 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Given his history with penalty shootouts, you really think he would deliberately put that pressure on the shoulders of the youngest player on the pitch? Ok fair enough, he's just confirmed it was his call and takes full responsibility for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 Just now, Dark Munster said: I think the order is set and given to the ref before they start. No changes after that. Really? I find it surprising that it can't be changed. The kid Saka was always missing that. Poor. Kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 We drew. Any team can win a pen shootout contrary to the geniuses on here who can tell the determining factor. Good tournament but could have done better today. Hey fucking ho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_shoot-out_(association_football) 5. Each team is responsible for selecting from the eligible players the order in which they will take the kicks. I think this means the order is set at the beginning (but I may be wrong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 1 minute ago, Lighthouse said: Owen scored one against Argentina in '98. If he's been good in training and wants to take one then let him have it. Mentality trumps age. Of course, but that kid was always missing that. Absolutely shitting himself. How he is in training is irrelevant, on the night everyone could see he didn't want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 5 minutes ago, benjii said: Carry on having zero quality on the ball in midfield but getting piss easy draws? Need to build a team with more ability and less reliance on pace. Although we're on on right track. Tend to agree, never did we have a better chance to win the last WC after the draw we got, and this Euros was almost set up for us with the group we got and the home advantage, but we blew both. Personally I doubt I will ever see us in another final in my lifetime. Not convinced that Southgate or some of the players are the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 So many twats want a scapegoat. Fuck off you just have to deal with this shit. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunglasses Ron Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 Well I guess it’s times like this where being a Saints supporter under the age of 45 is a good thing. The disappointment shouldn’t last long before blind faith once again manifests itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Owen scored one against Argentina in '98. If he's been good in training and wants to take one then let him have it. Mentality trumps age. Didn't Michael Owen score of the most memorable goals in England history that night? It's not quite comparable to Sako's contribution tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 6 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Southgate has got us to a level which no other manager has achieved in my (and lots of peoples) lifetime. He's done an excellent job. Italy were the better team across the entire tournament, and the better team tonight. Agree Southgate has done well and Italy have been good, but not sure they were the better team tonight. Yes they won and so technically they are better than us, but I think where we failed was the second half of normal time. Italy were behind and so were going to up their game attacking wise. We retreated and became defensive and invited pressure which eventually came to pass. We should have brought on Grealish and attacked as they were struggling against our forward play. But heyo, it's football and things don't always workout. If you had told me at the start of the Euro's that we would be narrowly (and it was very narrow) knocked out in the finals, I would have asked for some of what you were drinking of! Good effort lads - think we need to improve on our "shit housary" I think they call it. Italy won it through their game management and not footballing skills - nothing wrong with that, just that we are no good at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 Oh and Guy Mowbray is a cunt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 Sorry but Sako should not be hung out to dry for that - he hit the ball no effin about - Rashford is the one to be rinsed his was bloody appalling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 1 minute ago, whelk said: So many twats want a scapegoat. Fuck off you just have to deal with this shit. My scapegoat is Cafe Guisseppe just down the road from me. I've just come back from posting a fresh turd through his letterbox. It's the least he deserves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 Best team won. Fair play to Italy, they were battered first 20 but after that outplayed and out thought us. Our young players and manager did the nation proud and we’ll be a threat at the next World Cup. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 1 minute ago, John Boy Saint said: Sorry but Sako should not be hung out to dry for that - he hit the ball no effin about - Rashford is the one to be rinsed his was bloody appalling They tried the best you twat. Rinse away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 5 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Not sure about that. It didn’t happen in my day but that was a long while ago and at a much lower level. I have just looked up the procedure “Each team is responsible for selecting from the eligible players the order in which they will take the kicks. The referee is not informed of the order.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 1 minute ago, John Boy Saint said: Sorry but Sako should not be hung out to dry for that - he hit the ball no effin about - Rashford is the one to be rinsed his was bloody appalling thought it was harsh on both of them to make them take a pen, made to sit on their arse for three hours then get sent on to to a job half the team havn’t got the bollocks to do. Southgate fucked it again IMO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 1 minute ago, CB Fry said: My scapegoat is Cafe Guisseppe just down the road from me. I've just come back from posting a fresh turd through his letterbox. It's the least he deserves. I pity the poor fuckers in the pub singing anti pizza songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 12 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Southgate has got us to a level which no other manager has achieved in my (and lots of peoples) lifetime. He's done an excellent job. Italy were the better team across the entire tournament, and the better team tonight. Summarises it overall. England superb first 20 and then dropped deep too early and were hanging on a bit at times. Grealish should have been on much earlier for either Sterling or Mount, drew fouls and as well as getting us back in the front foot would have broken up Italian momentum. Rashford didn’t learn from the Kane and Maguire pens- decide where it’s going and commit fully. If Donnarumma pulls off a worldie so be it. Hesitation but treat it like you are taking it as you would normally for Man U. Hard though when only on the pitch 3 minutes as an emergency RB. Chiesa - what a player. Rice superb, Phillips very good as well. Sterling an off night after a great tournament. After the SFC shit show of the last 5 years I’d forgotten what work rate, team spirit, organisation, resilience and caring were in a football context so well done England for that. The referees are the big learning - need a top to bottom out clear out of the current PGMOL group over the next 2 years and VAR only used for the clear and obvious error. Ref tonight better than I’ve seen in the PL for 10-15 years and been a high quality bar Michael Oliver’s shitshow. English footballers 9/10 English referees 0/10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 Just now, Whitey Grandad said: It didn’t happen in my day but that was a long while ago and at a much lower level. I have just looked up the procedure “Each team is responsible for selecting from the eligible players the order in which they will take the kicks. The referee is not informed of the order.” Interesting. If the referee isn't informed that may mean that Southgate could've changed his mind and told someone like Shaw to step up for the 5th. But certainly it would be up to him, not Shaw or any of the other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 4 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Didn't Michael Owen score of the most memorable goals in England history that night? It's not quite comparable to Sako's contribution tonight. I guess that may have given him a bit of extra confidence but he was still an 18 year old, taking a penalty in a shoot out against Argentina. I can only assume Saka said he wanted to take one and I applaud Southgate for having faith in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 July, 2021 Share Posted 11 July, 2021 2 minutes ago, saint1977 said: The referees are the big learning - need a top to bottom out clear out of the current PGMOL group over the next 2 years and VAR only used for the clear and obvious error. Ref tonight better than I’ve seen in the PL for 10-15 years and been a high quality bar Michael Oliver’s shitshow. English footballers 9/10 English referees 0/10 No mention of VAR tonight. How refreshing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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