John B Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 9 hours ago, stevy777_x said: Just shows VaR is not the problem but it is the rules of PL and the standard of PL referees which are diabolical. I seriously think we should look into employing foreign referees. If we recruit the best foreign players why not do the same with referees? I m tired of seeing Moss, Friend, Dean... week in week out make the same atrocious decisions. I find it strange that we have crap football referees but excellent Rugby ones and cricket umpires 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 12 minutes ago, Roo1976 said: So kneeling at the beginning isnt political? No it isn’t. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrimsaint Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 25 minutes ago, Roo1976 said: So kneeling at the beginning isnt political?......... and we are still one of the only countries to still do it. I said politicians, they tend to jump on the bandwagon of anything good, of all shades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 38 minutes ago, John B said: I find it strange that we have crap football referees but excellent Rugby ones and cricket umpires Both sports where the onfield official isn't afraid to be overruled by the "VAR" system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 44 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Both sports where the onfield official isn't afraid to be overruled by the "VAR" system. That maybe true but they were better even before VAR probably due to the culture and acceptance of the odd bad decision by the players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 2 hours ago, Sarnia Cherie said: No way. It is a test of skill and strength of mind. A lottery would be picking the winner out of a hat. Yes but if Eastleigh Town took on Brazil at penalties they would stand a decent chance. Of course it isn’t completely random. But going into a penalty shoot no one can ever confidently declare who is favourite to win hence the term ‘lottery’ The strength of mind is key but that isn’t proportionate to the skill of player. And not like these players when get to level can kick to bottom corner, give the eyes to keeper etc and others of a lesser skill can’t pick out bottom corner as don’t yet have the skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 3 minutes ago, whelk said: Yes but if Eastleigh Town took on Brazil at penalties they would stand a decent chance. Of course it isn’t completely random. But going into a penalty shoot no one can ever confidently declare who is favourite to win hence the term ‘lottery’ The strength of mind is key but that isn’t proportionate to the skill of player. And not like these players when get to level can kick to bottom corner, give the eyes to keeper etc and others of a lesser skill can’t pick out bottom corner as don’t yet have the skill No they wouldn’t. Brazil would still be far, far better in all the key areas, including mental conditioning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 In cricket the Umpires decision was final but there were plenty of examples where they were wrong or homers etc . Internationals then introduced neutral umpires and dissent was clamped down on , then came technology . I have no idea how accurate it actually is but it seems to be widely accepted as OK by the teams . Snicko shows how wrong you can be and the ball tracking seems to be a good guide . When it was introduced it was thought the Umpires were reluctant to take the decision and refered it to the third umpire too often . It has settled down well now and only area of issue tend to be catches where it may have touched the ground and run outs where it is very close but generally works OK compared to the old days. Rugby has more issues as it is difficult to see sometimes if a try has been touched down and the same issues with say a foot touching the white line by millimetres so given as in touch and no try . Refs do tend to have their reputations for whistle blowing or letting the game flow and dissent has been clamped down on as well. So football needs to up it's game on VAR and how it's used and Refs need better oversight , too many have reps for cards or getting it wrong but are still given matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 1 hour ago, whelk said: Yes but if Eastleigh Town took on Brazil at penalties they would stand a decent chance. Of course it isn’t completely random. But going into a penalty shoot no one can ever confidently declare who is favourite to win hence the term ‘lottery’ The strength of mind is key but that isn’t proportionate to the skill of player. And not like these players when get to level can kick to bottom corner, give the eyes to keeper etc and others of a lesser skill can’t pick out bottom corner as don’t yet have the skill Henderson is the perfect example of a top player who cant score from, the spot, how many misses he had now? 5? in a row? LOL. I agree pens is lotto, but you would expect better players ( Not including Henderson ) to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 2 hours ago, Lighthouse said: No they wouldn’t. Brazil would still be far, far better in all the key areas, including mental conditioning. So in 50 penalty shootouts you’d confidently predict Brazil woudl win all 50 as it is all to do with skill? Strong mental conditioning on display here. From 45 seconds in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 13 hours ago, stevy777_x said: Just shows VaR is not the problem but it is the rules of PL and the standard of PL referees which are diabolical. I seriously think we should look into employing foreign referees. If we recruit the best foreign players why not do the same with referees? I m tired of seeing Moss, Friend, Dean... week in week out make the same atrocious decisions. ...but no doubt you are happy seeing Hasenhüttl week in week out making the same atrocious decisions? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalCommunist Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 But Ralph doing a bad job does not influence Mike Dean. But Mike Dean doing a bad job very much effects Ralph. That just isn't fair. We need better from the refs and the guys at the top running the show. They are all far too comfortable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 3 hours ago, whelk said: Yes but if Eastleigh Town took on Brazil at penalties they would stand a decent chance. Of course it isn’t completely random. But going into a penalty shoot no one can ever confidently declare who is favourite to win hence the term ‘lottery’ The strength of mind is key but that isn’t proportionate to the skill of player. And not like these players when get to level can kick to bottom corner, give the eyes to keeper etc and others of a lesser skill can’t pick out bottom corner as don’t yet have the skill Eastleigh would stand a better chance against Brazil on penalties than over a 90-120 minute match, for sure. But they'd still be a huge underdog. A single slip on a penalty shoot out can be decisive, whereas these can be recovered from in normal play (see Croatia's first goal yesterday...). I think I'd make Brazil 98%-99% to win a match v Eastleigh and about 90%+ to win an penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChrisPY Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Southgate obviously thinks that lineup is the best way to win tonight but it’s not the only way and so negative and uninspiring that if we lose, it has to be his last game. If we win the tournament like this then brilliant and he’ll rightfully receive the plaudits but with the attacking talent we have, there was an opportunity to try and do it in style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Nerves starting to kick in now. This tournament just seems like such a huge opportunity now, with that draw. Really hope the team doesn’t waste it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Back 3 for this game then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 We’ll piss it 3 or 4-1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 14 minutes ago, trousers said: That’s nice but what is the Eastleigh line up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: We’ll piss it 3 or 4-1 Can't see us having 3 or 4 shots on target with that line up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 (edited) Why not start Grealish? Edited 29 June, 2021 by Uncle Albert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Sterling & Saka will run the legs off them, they’ll play too high and we’ll get in behind them time & time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Looks too negative to me, 5 defenders and two central midfielders that offer nothing going forward. Hopefully Southgate has a cunning plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Do your buttons up Seaman😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Terrible lineup, our bench is stronger then the team on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 It will all depend on the full backs, if they're allowed to go forward then we stand a chance, if they're instructed to stay back like vs Scotland then we're playing for penalties or a lucky goal from a set piece (or Neuer brain fart). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Damn, they missed a trick there. JWP would have sung GSTQ harder than that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Just now, OttawaSaint said: Damn, they missed a trick there. JWP would have sung GSTQ harder than that... Fucking Henderson has a sore throat as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectraman Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 38 minutes ago, aintforever said: Looks too negative to me, 5 defenders and two central midfielders that offer nothing going forward. Hopefully Southgate has a cunning plan. I agree, but hope we are both wrong. Surely we aren’t playing for penalties…….😮😬 My god football fans are retards - why boo the German national anthem 🤦♂️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Shite free kick klaxon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrimsaint Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Nice response to the knee👏Spot on England fans 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 2 minutes ago, trousers said: Shite free kick klaxon It’s quite the mathematical conundrum. JWP would clearly score the winning penalty but if he’s on the pitch then he’d have already bagged 2 or 3 free kick goals so does it even go to penalties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Could have been a red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Crap start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 That's the seed sown for the red card later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 He bought that, Goretzka steeped across him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Just now, Toussaint said: Could have been a red I think Walker being so close made it only a yellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 German was the one doing the tripping there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 This is what happens with 7 defensive players on the pitch. Rice and Phillips are just not good enu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Just now, northam soul said: This is what happens with 7 defensive players on the pitch. Rice and Phillips are just not good enu What was it all about Rice putting his hands behind his back and turning side on when Goretzka shot!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Just now, Toussaint said: What was it all about Rice putting his hands behind his back and turning side on when Goretzka shot!! You do not see the top sides play like this. All this talk of 3 at the back is bollox as it’s 5 at the back. Need to stop these 2 Kante wannabes and play someone more creative in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrimsaint Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Sideways, backwards. 🥱 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Turning an offensivefree kick into a pass back to the keeper at a speed that would make Ralph proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Just now, Antrimsaint said: Sideways, backwards. 🥱 Yep. Just as things start coming forward one player stops, lacks courage to try and passes it backwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Good effort sterling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Good effort by Sterling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Has Kane touched the ball yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, trousers said: Has Kane touched the ball yet? Not sure if he's just so closely marshalled he can't break free of marking. Or he's just massively overrrated Edited 29 June, 2021 by BotleySaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrimsaint Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Am getting a feeling about this ref…… Going to make a name for himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 June, 2021 Share Posted 29 June, 2021 Twenty minutes in and I can safely declare that this has got 0-0 written all over it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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