The Euro2020 Thread

[Cabrone]

Germans have had an odd tournament. Pretty pedestrian against the French, sparked back to life against the Portugese and then back to plodders against Hungary. They made chances last night but couldn't convert. Seems to me they lack an out and out striker, instead they have a bunch of attacking players.

Still think they have too much for England though.

[JustinSFC]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

In fairness, someone saying "we always get Germany every time" is like something your Mum would say. It deserved the treatment it got.

Shut up you tit.

[JustinSFC]

8 hours ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

Everyone moans when a certain poster does pedantry, but clearly all you need is some loose hyperbole, and suddenly all the forum experts crawl out of their caves to smugly point out that the day before Wednesday was Tuesday.

It's a forum.
 

Nobody on here would say half the shit they do to someone's face and definitely not the cricket man so all good here. 😅

[Ex Lion Tamer]

We're a better team than Germany and I think we'll do them

[CB Fry]

9 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

Shut up you tit.

It's a forum.

[Badger]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

In fairness, someone saying "we always get Germany every time" is like something your Mum would say. It deserved the treatment it got.

True to a point. Although as Saint Garret pointed out in a later post the fixture (and losing to them) does have a feeling of familiarity about it depending on how old you are of course. 

Not sure of another opponent we have a a track record of going out to, Argentina (twice as I recall), and more recently (well this century) Portugal were our undoing at a couple of tournaments. 

MLG disclaimer added - to save him the trouble - previous results have no bearing on the outcome of the next fixture...

Edited 24 June, 2021 by Badger

[CB Fry]

22 minutes ago, Badger said:

True to a point. Although as Saint Garret pointed out in a later post the fixture (and losing to them) does have a feeling of familiarity about it depending on how old you are of course. 

Not sure of another opponent we have a a track record of going out to, Argentina (twice as I recall), and more recently (well this century) Portugal were our undoing at a couple of tournaments. 

MLG disclaimer added - to save him the trouble - previous results have no bearing on the outcome of the next fixture...

I don't think anyone is contesting that we have played and lost to Germany in tournament football few times. I've been following England since 86 world cup, I get it. But saying stuff like "for once, can't we play someone else" is just dopey.

Anyway, who gives a shit.

[egg]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

You missed out 1970 lost 3-2 (after being 2-0 up) in the Mexico WC. Think this was a QF, certainly the most painful of the lot as I recall although may be because I was much younger and we had hopes/expectations of playing Brazil again in the final.

Wasn't 1972 a qualifying game ? If so thought we lost one leg (at home),2-0 or 3-1.

 

It's 2021. I couldn't give a monkeys what happened nearly 50 years ago. 

[badgerx16]

9 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

 

Shite Germany > Golden generation England.

When was that ?

[Roo1976]

4 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I don't think anyone is contesting that we have played and lost to Germany in tournament football few times. I've been following England since 86 world cup, I get it. But saying stuff like "for once, can't we play someone else" is just dopey.

Anyway, who gives a shit.

I remember we were stuck in traffic coming of Hayling Island when we played Germany in 1970............cried my eyes out when we lost...only 9 at the time so yes it

does seem that we always seem to play them at the latter stages or at least hope to get to the latter stages.

[TWar]

I think Germany are going to smash us, to be honest. Obviously hope we pull something out the bag but we have looked very average this euros. Either way, fingers crossed.

As for the prediction as that does sound fun

R16 - Wales, Italy, NL, Belgium, Spain, France, Germany, Sweden

QF - France, Belgium, NL, Germany

SF - Germany, Belgium

Winners - Belgium

I will say Italy Belgium is pretty 50/50 as is France Belgium and if either beat them they will probably go on to be winners.

[SKD]

4 minutes ago, TWar said:

I think Germany are going to smash us, to be honest. Obviously hope we pull something out the bag but we have looked very average this euros. Either way, fingers crossed.

As for the prediction as that does sound fun

R16 - Wales, Italy, NL, Belgium, Spain, France, Germany, Sweden

QF - France, Belgium, NL, Germany

SF - Germany, Belgium

Winners - Belgium

I will say Italy Belgium is pretty 50/50 as is France Belgium and if either beat them they will probably go on to be winners.

We have, but we still finished top of the group and haven’t conceded a goal. Not great, but done enough. Portugal won the thing buy drawing 3 games, in a really weak group). Winners of tournaments tend to build up their performances. 

Southgate is right in that we have more to come, Kane has looked way out of his depth and is due a good game and I think Grealish will really grow into the tournament now. 

Germany aren’t the team they used to be. I think if we were in their shoes, we wouldn’t be confident. Especially after just scrapping a draw against Hungry. 

This issue is we’re used to heart ache and getting stung and have a history of that from Germany as well. However as MLG likes to say, what does something that happened 20 years ago have any impact on what happens today. 

I have faith, Maguire and Henderson back will give us a bit more solidity and experience and I think going forward, when on form, we’re as good as anyone. 

It’ll be a 50/50 game, if we can pull through, I think we could go the whole way. 

[TWar]

1 minute ago, SKD said:

We have, but we still finished top of the group and haven’t conceded a goal. Not great, but done enough. Portugal won the thing buy drawing 3 games, in a really weak group). Winners of tournaments tend to build up their performances. 

Southgate is right in that we have more to come, Kane has looked way out of his depth and is due a good game and I think Grealish will really grow into the tournament now. 

Germany aren’t the team they used to be. I think if we were in their shoes, we wouldn’t be confident. Especially after just scrapping a draw against Hungry. 

This issue is we’re used to heart ache and getting stung and have a history of that from Germany as well. However as MLG likes to say, what does something that happened 20 years ago have any impact on what happens today. 

I have faith, Maguire and Henderson back will give us a bit more solidity and experience and I think going forward, when on form, we’re as good as anyone. 

It’ll be a 50/50 game, if we can pull through, I think we could go the whole way. 

Hope you are right, and I definitely agree we have another gear with Kane, Grealish et al. Just got to hope we find it soon.

[nta786]

I said it before, this game is like our semi-final, I'm bloody excited for it though but the timing of the game is an absolute killer.

Expect laptops around the country to shut down at 4:30pm!!!

It's a 50/50 game in my opinion, I'd like to see us English fans and media alike to be slightly more confident than what I have read, I can imagine Germany will be more than up for it [it helps having 4 WCs and 3 ECs I guess] and given the way the draw has played out can see them begrudgingly reach the final if they were to do us over.

 

 

Edited 24 June, 2021 by nta786

[igsey]

34 minutes ago, TWar said:

I think Germany are going to smash us, to be honest. Obviously hope we pull something out the bag but we have looked very average this euros. Either way, fingers crossed.

As for the prediction as that does sound fun

R16 - Wales, Italy, NL, Belgium, Spain, France, Germany, Sweden

QF - France, Belgium, NL, Germany

SF - Germany, Belgium

Winners - Belgium

I will say Italy Belgium is pretty 50/50 as is France Belgium and if either beat them they will probably go on to be winners.

It would be a huge achievement if Belgium win, they have the hardest path possible! Won all their group games and get rewarded with a game against Portugal, then (likely) Italy, France, then whoever the other finalist is (Germany?).

[CB Fry]

I can't see Belgium doing it. They seem destined to be one of those golden generation teams packed with stars that don't win shit. At some point one of the big boys like France, Italy or Germany will crush them.

Euros do throw us more shock winners than World Cups but I suppose Belgium wouldn't be a shock like Greece or Denmark because they are too good on paper.

[Cabrone]

8 minutes ago, nta786 said:

I said it before, this game is like our semi-final, I'm bloody excited for it though but the timing of the game is an absolute killer.

Expect laptops around the country to shut down at 4:30pm!!!

It's a 50/50 game in my opinion, I'd like to see us English fans and media alike to be slightly more confident than what I have read, I can imagine Germany will be more than up for it [it helps having 4 WCs and 3 ECs I guess] and given the way the draw has played out can see them begrudgingly reach the final if they were to do us over.

 

 

If you have seen the Germans as long as I have you know to never ever back against them. I've seen bang average German sides still get to the final (2002 springs to mind and I think the 82\86 sides were no great shakes).

They have a mental resilience that England can only dream of and you cannot ever write them off. I remember the 86 team were 2-0 down and looked dead and buried. They pulled it back before the Argies smashed a late winner. Germany plays the kind of football England would play if they had confidence, it seems to be in their psyche (and ours sadly).

If England play the Portugal Germany then we'll get done, if England play the France\Hungary Germany we *might* just get past them but I wouldn't bet on it.

[Sweet dee]

The way they came back and finished second, the fact they have England next, at Wembley, the then perceived easier route, then the final also at Wembley, already been written off, I think Germany are winning this tournament 😂

I'd be feeling more confident if we were playing them in Germany to be honest 

[skintsaint]

48 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Euros do throw us more shock winners than World Cups but I suppose Belgium wouldn't be a shock like Greece or Denmark because they are too good on paper.

And they are ranked no1 in the world right now according to FIFA. Still think France will win, they will play the winners of us v Germany in the final.

[Jeremy Corbyn]

We look solid but Germany have scored 6 goals and we've scored 2.  Clearly we have a better defence but if we don't pull our finger out offensively this is only going one way.

[SKD]

9 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

We look solid but Germany have scored 6 goals and we've scored 2.  Clearly we have a better defence but if we don't pull our finger out offensively this is only going one way.

Hungry stuck 2 and could have been more in against them. They’ll have to come out and attack us which will suit us on the counter attack. 
 

 

[alehouseboys]

12 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

Shite Germany > Golden generation England.

 

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

When was that ?

1966 to.........um...........1966.

Although I'm quite fond of 2001.

 

[Jeremy Corbyn]

Just now, SKD said:

Hungry stuck 2 and could have been more in against them. They’ll have to come out and attack us which will suit us on the counter attack. 
 

 

I hope you're right and I can definitely see us having chance but we just look very blunt.  

[Ex Lion Tamer]

33 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

I hope you're right and I can definitely see us having chance but we just look very blunt.  

I think we'll make mincemeat out of Hummels, he's way past it

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

I think we'll make mincemeat out of Hummels, he's way past it

had to laugh at when he got absolutely rinsed by Mbappe in the game v France and the commentator said he looked like someone who'd turned up to a dads race and ended up in the wrong race

[SKD]

8 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

I think we'll make mincemeat out of Hummels, he's way past it

Yep. Pace out wide is a must, especially if they’re going to play with wing backs. 
 

personally, I’d play with Grealish in the 10 Sterling (he’s gonna start regardless) on the left and either Sancho or Saka on the right. 

[ErwinK1961]

Wouldn't be surprised if we go 3/5 at the back, to match up with them. 

[Chapel End]

Maguire training on his own is a bit strange with him being fully fit and all .....

[East Kent Saint]

4 hours ago, egg said:

It's 2021. I couldn't give a monkeys what happened nearly 50 years ago. 

That game affected how I felt about watching England to this day , always remember a pass for Bobby Charlton to run onto but he was exhausted by the heat and was 30 secs too late arriving !

[SKD]

23 minutes ago, Chapel End said:

Maguire training on his own is a bit strange with him being fully fit and all .....

Are you still mumbling on about this 😂😂

Nearly a week out until the game, after coming back from such an injury he’ll obviously have a different schedule to those who are at peak of fitness. 

For all you know, he could be working harder than his team mates to catch up on lost time.

[Lord Duckhunter]

We’ll piss it. 

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Chapel End said:

Maguire training on his own is a bit strange with him being fully fit and all .....

So the idea of not having a pop at our players didn't last long, did it.

It was only yesterday when you were supporting that approach.

Dry your eyes and get behind the team.

[Jeremy Corbyn]

2 hours ago, SKD said:

Yep. Pace out wide is a must, especially if they’re going to play with wing backs. 
 

personally, I’d play with Grealish in the 10 Sterling (he’s gonna start regardless) on the left and either Sancho or Saka on the right. 

Would you drop Sterling?  The only player to have scored a goal for us so far.

[egg]

2 hours ago, SKD said:

Yep. Pace out wide is a must, especially if they’re going to play with wing backs. 
 

personally, I’d play with Grealish in the 10 Sterling (he’s gonna start regardless) on the left and either Sancho or Saka on the right. 

Yep, he'll start Sterling for sure. I'd have Grealish 10 and Saka right who deserves it after the other night. Wouldn't surprise me though if Southgate drops him and throws Sancho in. 

[ErwinK1961]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep, he'll start Sterling for sure. I'd have Grealish 10 and Saka right who deserves it after the other night. Wouldn't surprise me though if Southgate drops him and throws Sancho in. 

Can't see him starting Sancho, when he's played 7 minutes the whole tournament.

He's more likely to bring in Foden and drop Grealish or Saka. He may even bring in Mount as well and drop both.

[Mystic Force]

No Foden please, is hair annoys me, plus I don't think he is as good as he believes he is. I Blame him for lack of service to Kane in the first two games because he was more interested in passing between him and Philips on the right hand side than actually creating a chance for others.

For once I am not too concerned about playing Germany, they are no way as good as in past years and there defense looks vulnerable to a a bit of pace.

[Saint_clark]

15 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Can't see him starting Sancho, when he's played 7 minutes the whole tournament.

He's more likely to bring in Foden and drop Grealish or Saka. He may even bring in Mount as well and drop both.

This is the worry for me. Saka and Grealish are the only players who have actually got at the defense with the ball. They need to start this game...should give Foden a kick up the ass as well, he didn't look interested in carrying in his City form in the slightest.

[egg]

22 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Can't see him starting Sancho, when he's played 7 minutes the whole tournament.

He's more likely to bring in Foden and drop Grealish or Saka. He may even bring in Mount as well and drop both.

Logic says he won't play Sancho which is why I think he might. Dropping Grealish and Saka would make no sense, so that's a distinct possibility too. 

[Chapel End]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

So the idea of not having a pop at our players didn't last long, did it.

It was only yesterday when you were supporting that approach.

Dry your eyes and get behind the team.

Do shut up Fry, i am not having a pop at anyone, just asking why he is training alone if he is fully fit as his claimed?

Dry my eyes 🤣, its you that is getting all worked up...

[Sarnia Cherie]

7 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

When was that ?

1966.

[CB Fry]

43 minutes ago, Chapel End said:

Do shut up Fry, i am not having a pop at anyone, just asking why he is training alone if he is fully fit as his claimed?

Dry my eyes 🤣, its you that is getting all worked up...

Maybe trust the manager, get behind the players and support the team instead of questioning their integrity.

Remind us again of that terrible "risk" you were blubbering about when we took two players you didn't want to go....unbeaten, top of the group and no goals conceded. And, would you believe it, we didn't need all 26 players to achieve it. Great decisions Gareth, well done.

Dry your eyes.

Edited 24 June, 2021 by CB Fry

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

I think we'll beat Germany and then Sweden or The Ukraine pose about as much of a threat as Croatia and the Czech Republic did.

It's a bit of a joke really. How can you be the best side in Europe when all of the best teams are on the opposite side of the draw and you can't face them until the final? If we were on the other side of the draw and facing the likes, of Italy, Portugal, France, Spain or Belgium it would be a very different story.
The fact is, we stand a good chance of making the semi-final or the final without playing a really decent team. 

[Chapel End]

51 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Maybe trust the manager, get behind the players and support the team instead of questioning their integrity.

Remind us again of that terrible "risk" you were blubbering about when we took two players you didn't want to go....unbeaten, top of the group and no goals conceded. And, would you believe it, we didn't need all 26 players to achieve it. Great decisions Gareth, well done.

Dry your eyes.

The question was valid, if you don't like it ignore it and go and attempt your belittling elsewhere. 

Your school boy bullying attempts just makes me laugh.....pathetic but funny🤣

Here is the question again but shortened to help you understand it easier as you struggle.

Why is Maguire training alone?

[egg]

4 minutes ago, Chapel End said:

 

Why is Maguire training alone?

Daft question. What makes you think anyone on here would know. 

We could all speculate, and we get it that you think it's cos he's injured. 

[Chapel End]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Daft question. What makes you think anyone on here would know. 

We could all speculate, and we get it that you think it's cos he's injured. 

He was injured and now is clearly far from match fit.

I saw the headline on SSN earlier but it didn’t have a reason, hence the question, i'm sorry you dont like me asking.

[whelk]

5 hours ago, Turkish said:

had to laugh at when he got absolutely rinsed by Mbappe in the game v France and the commentator said he looked like someone who'd turned up to a dads race and ended up in the wrong race

Rinsed but recovered and made an excellent tackle if I recall

[Manuel]

Just now, whelk said:

Rinsed but recovered and made an excellent tackle if I recall

Was a penalty IMO

[egg]

2 minutes ago, Chapel End said:

He was injured and now is clearly far from match fit.

I saw the headline on SSN earlier but it didn’t have a reason, hence the question, i'm sorry you dont like me asking.

It's not that I don't like, I don't see the point. Nobody knows. He might be injured. He might not. As an England fan, I hope he's not. 

[Manuel]

 

[whelk]

11 minutes ago, egg said:

Daft question. What makes you think anyone on here would know. 

We could all speculate, and we get it that you think it's cos he's injured. 

Loads on here  know loads about loads of things. Foden didn’t play well cos he is a big head clearly as I read it above.