CB Fry Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Chapel End said: A squad is designed to give available options for as many situations as possible so having some unfit players in the group reduces those options and an unnecessary risk..... IMO Picking a middling, average bottom-six midfielder to just pad the squad out with fit players is also an unnecessary risk. You need to reconcile yourself with the simple fact that a nearly fit Jordan Henderson is a far, far, far, far better selection for England in this tournament than the fittest possible version of JWP there could ever be. Edited 20 June, 2021 by CB Fry 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 Fuck me. Wales beat Turkey the most woeful team in the competition, drew with Switzerland, and lost to Italy reserves and the commentators are wetting their pants. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 Forget the name of one of the Welsh pundits but talking up Wales pathetically. Also ‘no one was talking about Italy before the tournament’. Seriously the blokes who froth up at sight of a female pundit but that ITV panel was shocking. Talking about Ramsey like he is equivalent to Messi. Hartson ‘an incredible result’ yeah you lost mate. Anyway pleased they are through but don’t over do it lads. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 4 minutes ago, whelk said: Forget the name of one of the Welsh pundits but talking up Wales pathetically. Also ‘no one was talking about Italy before the tournament’. Seriously the blokes who froth up at sight of a female pundit but that ITV panel was shocking. Talking about Ramsey like he is equivalent to Messi. Hartson ‘an incredible result’ yeah you lost mate. Anyway pleased they are through but don’t over do it lads. I'm not. I hope they get thrashed in the next round. https://youtu.be/sOHgwMA18UI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapel End Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 34 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Picking a middling, average bottom-six midfielder to just pad the squad out with fit players is also an unnecessary risk. You need to reconcile yourself with the simple fact that a nearly fit Jordan Henderson is a far, far, far, far better selection for England in this tournament than the fittest possible version of JWP there could ever be. Do shut up you idiot and try and understand what was actually written before going of on one of your ridiculous rants. Now I will try again as you seem to be a bit hard of thinking, i said nothing about JWP being picked, ok! with me so far? I said picking unfit players reduces options, is that clear for you now? 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chapel End said: Do shut up you idiot and try and understand what was actually written before going of on one of your ridiculous rants. Now I will try again as you seem to be a bit hard of thinking, i said nothing about JWP being picked, ok! with me so far? I said picking unfit players reduces options, is that clear for you now? 🙄 Okay, so you you're okay with JWP not being picked in the squad. Fair enough, thanks for clearing that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalCommunist Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 I'm pleased James is getting a much needed rest. Looking forward to him breaking a load of long standing Saints records next season. And some all time EPL ones as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 19 minutes ago, LiberalCommunist said: I'm pleased James is getting a much needed rest. Looking forward to him breaking a load of long standing Saints records next season. And some all time EPL ones as well. By my limited maths, he’s 35 games away from tying Wayne Bridge’s record for 112 consecutive games played and 90 minutes completed per game, and 36 games from tying 113 consecutive games (Bridge went off injured in game 113). Quite an ask but, given his past two seasons and having the summer off, not out of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedantic Pete Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 56 minutes ago, whelk said: Forget the name of one of the Welsh pundits but talking up Wales pathetically. Also ‘no one was talking about Italy before the tournament’. Seriously the blokes who froth up at sight of a female pundit but that ITV panel was shocking. Talking about Ramsey like he is equivalent to Messi. Hartson ‘an incredible result’ yeah you lost mate. Anyway pleased they are through but don’t over do it lads. TBF it's easier to go through than go out..Only 8 teams leave at this stage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 20 minutes ago, Pedantic Pete said: TBF it's easier to go through than go out..Only 8 teams leave at this stage! Exactly but don’t let that stop it being the lead story on the news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 29 minutes ago, The Kraken said: By my limited maths, he’s 35 games away from tying Wayne Bridge’s record for 112 consecutive games played and 90 minutes completed per game, and 36 games from tying 113 consecutive games (Bridge went off injured in game 113). Quite an ask but, given his past two seasons and having the summer off, not out of the question. And we know far more about ice baths these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 For all the talk about Turkey, they're a young team I know, but they are shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrimsaint Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 4 hours ago, Saint_clark said: Are all the Italian team racist for trying to kick off when Wales took the knee, or just the half that didn't reluctantly join in once they realised what was going on? Grow up ffs. Watch the footie and have your culture war later 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 England need someone to connect the defensive midfield and the attack. I thought that was going to be Mount, but on the basis of the first two games, Mount, Foden and Sterling all seem to want to drift wide, leaving an enormous gap where the central attacking midfielder should be in this formation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 25 minutes ago, Antrimsaint said: Grow up ffs. Watch the footie and have your culture war later Indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 2 minutes ago, verlaine1979 said: England need someone to connect the defensive midfield and the attack. I thought that was going to be Mount, but on the basis of the first two games, Mount, Foden and Sterling all seem to want to drift wide, leaving an enormous gap where the central attacking midfielder should be in this formation. Agreed. England need a Steven Davis type midfielder to link defence to attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Agreed. England need a Steven Davis type midfielder to link defence to attack. No need to talk in code. You can just say they should've taken JWP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 I’d be interested in hearing what people think of JWP’s exclusion? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedantic Pete Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 16 minutes ago, verlaine1979 said: England need someone to connect the defensive midfield and the attack. I thought that was going to be Mount, but on the basis of the first two games, Mount, Foden and Sterling all seem to want to drift wide, leaving an enormous gap where the central attacking midfielder should be in this formation. Did you watch Italy? They passed the ball forwards. Wales had the whole team behind the ball but they continued to push forward, England would have just passed the ball around the centre circle for 90 minutes in that game. England need to stop the sideways possession based rubbish and actually try to create something. I honestly don't think the personnel will make any difference.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 20 June, 2021 Share Posted 20 June, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pedantic Pete said: Did you watch Italy? They passed the ball forwards. Wales had the whole team behind the ball but they continued to push forward, England would have just passed the ball around the centre circle for 90 minutes in that game. England need to stop the sideways possession based rubbish and actually try to create something. I honestly don't think the personnel will make any difference.. You might be right, but I feel much the same way watching England as I do when watching Saints. Because there's no one occupying the central attacking spaces, nearly every move defaults to trying to get the ball wide. Not to disparage the importance of wing play, but if it's the only attacking move you ever make you can't be surprised when defenses find you easy to play against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrimsaint Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 13 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Fuck me. Wales beat Turkey the most woeful team in the competition, drew with Switzerland, and lost to Italy reserves and the commentators are wetting their pants. Your point is pony. Grealish is the new Messi and we have been watching Gazza score the same goal for the last week constantly over the last week with the commentators “wetting” themselves. It’s the media ffs it’s what they do. Anything to get upset eh? Give yourself a break 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrimsaint Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 10 hours ago, Lighthouse said: Agreed. England need a Steven Davis type midfielder to link defence to attack. Lol, this was just for Verlaines benefit. I know it lol. Well played sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 Peter Crouch: "I’ve been there with England. You try to act as if everything is going to be straightforward but, deep down, the history and the pressure and expectation leads you to stiffen up and make decisions that you wouldn’t normally consider." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 12 hours ago, verlaine1979 said: No need to talk in code. You can just say they should've taken JWP... I think you need to send my post back to Bletchley Park and ask them to try again. Anyway, today’s games could be interesting. You’d imagine Austria and Ukraine would both take a draw and go through in second/third with four points. If the Danes beat Russia, there will be a three way tie for second in the other group. As it happens I don’t think they will but it could all come down to GD and last minute goals. Anyone remember the Sweden, Denmark and Italy group from Euro 2004? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsidetrap Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57551368 Guessing both saints will start then against croatia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 3 minutes ago, offsidetrap said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57551368 Guessing both saints will start then against croatia Big blow that, he looked quality against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 52 minutes ago, offsidetrap said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57551368 Guessing both saints will start then against croatia Adams has to start anyway regardless of Gilmour. He's the best striker they have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 June, 2021 Author Share Posted 21 June, 2021 Baffling that both Armstrong and Adams aren't first choice picks for that side anyway. They're a much better side when they are playing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 18 hours ago, whelk said: I’d be interested in hearing what people think of JWP’s exclusion? In tournaments like this, you need "game-changers " to come on and DAJFU, and not just a row of subs. on the bench who need a run-out. Excluding Ings and JWP may cost England before the show is over. It isn't a case of if " they are better than .....so and so. ", but for Southgate to leave out two successful players in favour of two who are totally unfit .... is plain stupidity. If their presence is so important to the squad, they might just as well sit in the dressing room wearing their England blazers and give their support. As it is, GS gave over two places to men who are clearly unfit to play, and neglected two who (on stats) might clearly have made a difference. In the Croatia match, England had two free kicks that didn't even clear the wall, whereas JWP would have had meaningful efforts on goal. Danny Ings' skill in the box is legend, but no-one in the current squad shows anything near his ability to finish decisively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 1 hour ago, david in sweden said: In the Croatia match, England had two free kicks that didn't even clear the wall, whereas JWP would have had meaningful efforts on goal. This isn’t NFL. We can’t just bring a kicker onto the pitch every time we want to kick for a field goal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrimsaint Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 Seriously Tlydsley and McCoist easily best commentary team for me, better than anything the BBC can throw. ITV definitely the best fir me this year. very good on this Dutch/North Macedonia game too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 (edited) I have never understood the idea of putting people in a squad who are "great for the locker room" but wont play. You can bring them along anyway if they were that useful just to hang out, join in practice, pump up the spirits without them using up space. And if they become moaning twats for not being picked I am not sure how useful their "locker room" contribution was anyway. Same goes for giving exposure to younger players for a future tournament who you are not going to pick. Breaking News https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57560206 Mount and Chilwell have to isolate. Edited 21 June, 2021 by Mystic Force 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 16 minutes ago, Mystic Force said: I have never understood the idea of putting people in a squad who are "great for the locker room" but wont play. You can bring them along anyway if they were that useful just to hang out, join in practice, pump up the spirits without them using up space. And if they become moaning twats for not being picked I am not sure how useful their "locker room" contribution was anyway. Same goes for giving exposure to younger players for a future tournament who you are not going to pick. Breaking News https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57560206 Mount and Chilwell have to isolate. Oh no! If only we had picked a “middling” versatile midfield player who was useful at dead ball kicks! Still, at least we have an unfit Henderson along who will be especially useful for the penalties. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 Frank De Boer doing well here. I reckon he could attract some interest for a Premier League job this summer. Like, say, Crystal Palace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapel End Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 12 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Frank De Boer doing well here. I reckon he could attract some interest for a Premier League job this summer. Like, say, Crystal Palace. Brilliant!! You crack me up 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Oh no! If only we had picked a “middling” versatile midfield player who was useful at dead ball kicks! Still, at least we have an unfit Henderson along who will be especially useful for the penalties. Just think of all those killer free kicks he'd be whipping in from his out wide position sat down next to Aaron Ramsdale. Edited 21 June, 2021 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 5 Live this morning made me think I had missed a late 2-goal flourish from the Taffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 1 hour ago, Mystic Force said: I have never understood the idea of putting people in a squad who are "great for the locker room" but wont play. You can bring them along anyway if they were that useful just to hang out, join in practice, pump up the spirits without them using up space. And if they become moaning twats for not being picked I am not sure how useful their "locker room" contribution was anyway. Same goes for giving exposure to younger players for a future tournament who you are not going to pick. Breaking News https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57560206 Mount and Chilwell have to isolate. We'll miss Mount. I'd hope that he'll play Foden in that role, and bring Sancho in on the right. Chilwell won't be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 13 minutes ago, adrian lord said: 5 Live this morning made me think I had missed a late 2-goal flourish from the Taffs. To be fair it is some achievement for a small country to smash a powerhouse like Italy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 June, 2021 Author Share Posted 21 June, 2021 8 minutes ago, egg said: We'll miss Mount. I'd hope that he'll play Foden in that role, and bring Sancho in on the right. Chilwell won't be missed. Mount has done absolutely nothing so far, I’d like to see either Foden or Grealish in for him, especially if he’s going to stick with 2 DMs. Need 4 attacking players, Atleast 1 of which who is quick, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 9 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said: Mount has done absolutely nothing so far, I’d like to see either Foden or Grealish in for him, especially if he’s going to stick with 2 DMs. Need 4 attacking players, Atleast 1 of which who is quick, He was the only player other than Foden against Scotland who was positive. Good shout re Grealish though. On reflection, he's the logical change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 This format is shite, too many Noddy teams. The Euros used to be a top quality from start to finish, now it’s too easy to get out of the groups and too easy to qualify in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: This format is shite, too many Noddy teams. The Euros used to be a top quality from start to finish, now it’s too easy to get out of the groups and too easy to qualify in the first place. Special 60th anniversary edition. Edited 21 June, 2021 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 I like the bigger format, though would prefer one host rather than this all over the shop approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 Vlad will be sending his team to the salt mines of Siberia at this rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 Jonathon Pearce is a cockwomble 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrimsaint Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Jonathon Pearce is a cockwomble Takes one ☝️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 Looks like we missed a trick with Maehle from Denmark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapel End Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Jonathon Pearce is a cockwomble Why? Did he say something you don't agree with? Perhaps he mentioned Ward Prowse! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteleySaint30 Posted 21 June, 2021 Share Posted 21 June, 2021 12 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Looks like we missed a trick with Maehle from Denmark Yep, looks class - hangling over pennies when we have wasted so much over the 5 years or so....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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