Minsk Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 Some very dire performances there. Phillips as bad tonight as he was good against Croatia, everything backwards. Foden played well and was rewarded with being the first to be subbed off. Oh well, another 0-0 draw (or any draw) against the Czechs and we go through in 2nd place - leaving the Czechs to face Germany, Portugal or France in the next round. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yozzman Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 The Yorkshire Pirlo not so good tonight. Reverted to type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunglasses Ron Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 Absolute pish, Sterling drives me f’ing bonkers when he plays for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 1 hour ago, SW5 SAINT said: Taters saying Adam’s has been the best player on the pitch……! Thought Ally McCoist did a great job in talking Che's value up for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 Two teams,both without a cat in hells chance of winning this competition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 Same old England. Not smart enough to get past an organised team like Scotland. The draw was fair. They will get through and then be booted out the first time they meet a heavyweight. Looks like they are on course to play Portugal\Germany in the first knockout game, that's the end of their tournament. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 12 minutes ago, Minsk said: Some very dire performances there. Phillips as bad tonight as he was good against Croatia, everything backwards. Foden played well and was rewarded with being the first to be subbed off. Oh well, another 0-0 draw (or any draw) against the Czechs and we go through in 2nd place - leaving the Czechs to face Germany, Portugal or France in the next round. Who would we then face by finishing second ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 Just now, Badger said: Who would we then face by finishing second ? Sweden, Slovakia maybe Spain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 20 minutes ago, Roo1976 said: What you were in Glasgow in 1880 something for the first 0-0...................... LOL In this tournament… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 Draw was a good result, the last thing we want to do is win the group. We will get dumped out by the first decent team we meet as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 If we have any ambition then we need to win the group. If we finish second then we end up with France in the quarters. Finish first then we get the beatable Portugal/Germany and then the beatable Spain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 1 minute ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: If we have any ambition then we need to win the group. If we finish second then we end up with France in the quarters. Finish first then we get the beatable Portugal/Germany and then the beatable Spain Can’t see that shite beating Portugal, Germany or Spain, best we can hope for is the quarters IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnia Cherie Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: If we have any ambition then we need to win the group. If we finish second then we end up with France in the quarters. Finish first then we get the beatable Portugal/Germany and then the beatable Spain Did you watch England tonight? On that form they won't beat any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: If we have any ambition then we need to win the group. If we finish second then we end up with France in the quarters. Finish first then we get the beatable Portugal/Germany and then the beatable Spain We'll do well to beat the Czechs tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 England are the Southampton of international teams. We are all fuckin cursed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 Just now, Sarnia Cherie said: Did you watch England tonight? On that form they won't beat any of them. No matter how bad we were, I'd still be aiming to win rather than settling for second so we can say we got the quarters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: No matter how bad we were, I'd still be aiming to win rather than settling for second so we can say we got the quarters. Better than saying we got to the last 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 35 minutes ago, Yozzman said: The Yorkshire Pirlo not so good tonight. Reverted to type. Exactly this. Two defensive midfield players expected to provide the creative link through midfield. Negative dull football. I’d sack Southgate right now before we ruin yet another generation of top talent. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny R Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 Both Saints players were fantastic, Che in particular, the work rate and coming deep.. so good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 Just now, Danny R said: Both Saints players were fantastic, Che in particular, the work rate and coming deep.. so good. The guardian ratings somehow had Adams as Scotland's worst player. Not sure what game their correspondent was watching. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 1 hour ago, egg said: If he takes Mount or Foden off rather than Sterling, my TV is going out of the window. I went to watch this game round aged mum - that wan't really an option for me, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny R Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 2 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: The guardian ratings somehow had Adams as Scotland's worst player. Not sure what game their correspondent was watching. Seriously? Clearly by someone who has never played the game to any kind of standard. His link up play and tracking back was superb. Was MoM in my opinion and I think Scotland lost their way a little when he was subbed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 5 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: The guardian ratings somehow had Adams as Scotland's worst player. Not sure what game their correspondent was watching. It is the guardian. What do you expect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 7 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: The guardian ratings somehow had Adams as Scotland's worst player. Not sure what game their correspondent was watching. So he did.. He made a valid point about his finishing, but really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 (edited) Supporting a team that is expected to win really isn't all that. Lucky, being a Saints fan. Admirable performance by Scotland who left it all out there... Adams overall game much improved vs when we signed him. Edited 18 June, 2021 by Dusic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 19 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: The guardian ratings somehow had Adams as Scotland's worst player. Not sure what game their correspondent was watching. He did, which was nonsense. Although quite rightly, he gave no England player a higher score than Adams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 35 minutes ago, aintforever said: Better than saying we got to the last 16. We got to the semis in 2018 by beating a tough-ish team early (Colombia) then having the draw open up. We were crap tonight but there's a good team in there somewhere. I'm not writing this tournament off yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintquin Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 Say's it all when for me Pickford was probably England's MOTM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny R Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 1 hour ago, Turkish said: It is the guardian. What do you expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 Is Sancho injured? He's been one of the most creative players in Europe for two seasons, but hasn't had a minute yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambsaint Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 England were so poor and lacklustre to be almost unbelievable. Scotland played their hearts out and by the end for the first time in my life I didn't want England to thrash the Scots (in any sport) and was hoping it would end a draw. On thes last two performances Levy won't be able to give Kane away. Is he completely unsettled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 I was at Wembley. Utterly dire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 18 June, 2021 Share Posted 18 June, 2021 This is a game in isolation Ingerland could have been on a 1000 game imperious winning streak - and Scotland would be the fly in the ointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 Sterling playing the worst football of his career and stays on the pitch = Southgate is a cunt of a manager. We are going no further than R16 no matter who we play. Fucking league 1 standard by both teams, France et al must have been laughing watching that, what a shambles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 (edited) Are people going to stop calling Phillips by his first name now as if they are mates with him? Edited 19 June, 2021 by Jonnyboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 Southgate has fallen into the failed processes that ends all other England managers Pick players based on past efforts, pick injured players and generally remain way too safe we have an array of attacking talent, yet he is failing miserably. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 7 hours ago, verlaine1979 said: Is Sancho injured? He's been one of the most creative players in Europe for two seasons, but hasn't had a minute yet. Southgate decided to bring Rashford on instead yesterday. Can't get my head around that one either.. he's out of form and struggling for goals. Sancho the opposite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 8 hours ago, Baird of the land said: The guardian ratings somehow had Adams as Scotland's worst player. Not sure what game their correspondent was watching. Perhaps they found out he voted Conservative? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Southgate has fallen into the failed processes that ends all other England managers Nah, he's just garbage, always has been. No serious club in England would hire him as a manager; he lucked into the u21 gig - where he did nothing of worth - and has since lucked into the senior job. Not because of footballing merit, but because the FA needed a nodding dog to tow the party line and not make waves. He sticks steadfastly to the script - which can also be said of his tactical approach. The easiest ever run in a world cup, where he lost three times and only beat Tunisia, Panama and Sweden somehow elevated him to "elite" manager status - whereas he's still the guy who's only meaningful contribution to football management is getting Middlesbrough relegated. Watching a keeper, two centre backs and two holding midfielders slowly pass the ball backwards between themselves while an array of attacking talent stands in a line 70 yards away alongside opposition defenders who can't believe how easy a night they're having isn't a new development. He's been playing this way - no matter the formation - since day one. He's one of those basic managers that saw Spain dominate the 2010s with possession football and concluded that keeping the ball was all that's required to ensure success. No nuance to it. Just keep passing back and the wins will follow. Propaganda-ball. And he's not helped himself by picking a squad of injured players. By my reckoning, Henderson, Maguire, Rashford, Kane, Grealish and Saka (he's been managing a hip problem for months) are way short of optimum condition. More poor management. I mean, even Spurs haven't tried to hire him. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 Roy Keane commented on the poor set pieces, Where was our boy JWP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 8 hours ago, Baird of the land said: The guardian ratings somehow had Adams as Scotland's worst player. Not sure what game their correspondent was watching. He's a striker and completely fluffed their two best chances. Maybe that worked against him - he didn't do his job. Gilmour was their best player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LenPa Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 5 minutes ago, qwertyell said: He's a striker and completely fluffed their two best chances. Maybe that worked against him - he didn't do his job. Gilmour was their best player. Could be a point but he still played well (especially as if you think about the differences in strength between these to teams (which should normally be present). But yes, Gilmour played really well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 With far less individual ability (they are the 3rd lowest ranked team in the competition), Scotland had a much better game plan and with a slice of luck / quality finishing would have won it ! England will need to improve dramatically if they are to compete with the likes of France, Germany, Belgium, Italy and Portugal ! Home advantage so far has counted for very little but may come into play later on ! The group stages don't tell you everything as some teams peak early and some late but given the perceived lack of fitness of some key players (Kane, Henderson, McGuire etc..) something has to change fairly quickly ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 23 minutes ago, rooney said: Roy Keane commented on the poor set pieces, Where was our boy JWP? That performance was stultifying, lifeless and without inspiration. I can't believe that anyone can be seriously thinking that the solution was for JWP to be in the team knocking around his tepid little sideways passes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 Scotland's back 5 nullified England's attack plus Scotland's players played their hearts out while out of form England players passed the ball between themselves allowing Scotland to all get behind the ball . At the end the goal mouth scramble showed Scotland throwing themselves at the ball to keep it out while several England players stood waving their arms !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 2 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said: Scotland's back 5 nullified England's attack plus Scotland's players played their hearts out while out of form England players passed the ball between themselves allowing Scotland to all get behind the ball . At the end the goal mouth scramble showed Scotland throwing themselves at the ball to keep it out while several England players stood waving their arms !!! I thought it was Scotland's discipline throughout the whole team which nullified England. They were constantly cutting off passing angles and kept their shape really well. After the first 20 minutes England ran out of ideas and had no plan to try and break down the defence. Where was Sancho? Seems very strange that he's not getting on the pitch. That scramble was hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 3 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said: Scotland's back 5 nullified England's attack plus Scotland's players played their hearts out while out of form England players passed the ball between themselves allowing Scotland to all get behind the ball . At the end the goal mouth scramble showed Scotland throwing themselves at the ball to keep it out while several England players stood waving their arms !!! Mings said himself in the post match interview that England "lacked intensity " without giving any reason why. Seemed to me the players just couldn't match Scotland's commitment and effort, no excuses for that. Pleased to see Adams receive so many compliments during the game, been great experience for him, just a shame he's not a better finisher. Certainly on the basis of that one game if you offered me the choice between Kane and Adams i know who I would pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnia Cherie Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 9 hours ago, wild-saint said: Exactly this. Two defensive midfield players expected to provide the creative link through midfield. Negative dull football. I’d sack Southgate right now before we ruin yet another generation of top talent. Good post. According to the FA, Southgate is safe until after the next World Cup. No pressure or reason for him to stop playing cautious, boring football, then. He has some talented, young players at his disposal. I want to see them given the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 10 hours ago, aintforever said: Southgate is just a shite manager. He's the main problem. Simply cannot imagine us winning anything with him in charge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted 19 June, 2021 Share Posted 19 June, 2021 34 minutes ago, CB Fry said: That performance was stultifying, lifeless and without inspiration. I can't believe that anyone can be seriously thinking that the solution was for JWP to be in the team knocking around his tepid little sideways passes. Would have been no worse than the backwards and sideways passing that was on display last night and the piece deliveries were dire - he would certainly have improved on those. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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