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John B

John B

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  On 28/06/2021 at 22:26, stevy777_x said:

Just shows VaR is not the problem but it is the rules of PL and the standard of PL referees which are diabolical.

I seriously think we should look into employing foreign referees. If we recruit the best foreign players why not do the same with referees?

I m tired of seeing Moss, Friend, Dean... week in week out make the same atrocious  decisions.

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I find it strange that we have crap football referees but excellent Rugby ones and cricket umpires

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badgerx16

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  On 29/06/2021 at 07:36, John B said:

I find it strange that we have crap football referees but excellent Rugby ones and cricket umpires

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Both sports where the onfield official isn't afraid to be overruled by the "VAR" system.

John B

John B

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  On 29/06/2021 at 08:16, badgerx16 said:

Both sports where the onfield official isn't afraid to be overruled by the "VAR" system.

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That maybe true but they were better even before VAR probably due to the culture and acceptance of the odd bad decision by the players

whelk

whelk

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  On 29/06/2021 at 06:45, Sarnia Cherie said:

No way. It is a test of skill and strength of mind. A lottery would be picking the winner out of a hat.

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Yes but if Eastleigh Town took on Brazil at penalties they would stand a decent chance. Of course it isn’t completely random. But going into a penalty shoot no one can ever confidently declare who is favourite to win hence the term ‘lottery’

The strength of mind is key but that isn’t proportionate to the skill of player.  And not like these players when get to level can kick to bottom corner, give the eyes to keeper etc and others of a lesser skill can’t pick out bottom corner as don’t yet have the skill

 

Lighthouse

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  On 29/06/2021 at 09:04, whelk said:

Yes but if Eastleigh Town took on Brazil at penalties they would stand a decent chance. Of course it isn’t completely random. But going into a penalty shoot no one can ever confidently declare who is favourite to win hence the term ‘lottery’

The strength of mind is key but that isn’t proportionate to the skill of player.  And not like these players when get to level can kick to bottom corner, give the eyes to keeper etc and others of a lesser skill can’t pick out bottom corner as don’t yet have the skill

 

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No they wouldn’t. Brazil would still be far, far better in all the key areas, including mental conditioning.

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East Kent Saint

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In cricket the Umpires decision was final but there were plenty of examples where they were wrong or homers etc . Internationals then introduced neutral umpires and dissent was clamped down on , then came technology . I have no idea how accurate it actually is but it seems to be widely accepted as OK by the teams . Snicko shows how wrong you can be and the ball tracking seems to be a good guide . When it was introduced it was thought the Umpires were reluctant to take the decision and refered it to the third umpire too often . It has settled down well now and only area of issue tend to be catches where it may have touched the ground and run outs where it is very close but generally works OK compared to the old days.

Rugby has more issues as it is difficult to see sometimes if a try has been touched down and the same issues with say a foot touching the white line by millimetres so given as in touch and no try . Refs do tend to have their reputations for whistle blowing or letting the game flow and dissent has been clamped down on as well.

So football needs to up it's game on VAR and how it's used and Refs need better oversight , too many have reps for cards or getting it wrong but are still given matches.

Mosin

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  On 29/06/2021 at 09:04, whelk said:

Yes but if Eastleigh Town took on Brazil at penalties they would stand a decent chance. Of course it isn’t completely random. But going into a penalty shoot no one can ever confidently declare who is favourite to win hence the term ‘lottery’

The strength of mind is key but that isn’t proportionate to the skill of player.  And not like these players when get to level can kick to bottom corner, give the eyes to keeper etc and others of a lesser skill can’t pick out bottom corner as don’t yet have the skill

 

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Henderson is the perfect example of a top player who cant score from, the spot, how many misses he had now? 5? in a row? LOL.

I agree pens is lotto, but you would expect better players ( Not including Henderson ) to score.

whelk

whelk

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  On 29/06/2021 at 09:10, Lighthouse said:

No they wouldn’t. Brazil would still be far, far better in all the key areas, including mental conditioning.

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So in 50 penalty shootouts you’d confidently predict Brazil woudl win all 50 as it is all to do with skill?

Strong mental conditioning on display here. From 45 seconds in

 

 

Charlie Wayman

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  On 28/06/2021 at 22:26, stevy777_x said:

Just shows VaR is not the problem but it is the rules of PL and the standard of PL referees which are diabolical.

I seriously think we should look into employing foreign referees. If we recruit the best foreign players why not do the same with referees?

I m tired of seeing Moss, Friend, Dean... week in week out make the same atrocious  decisions.

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...but no doubt you are happy seeing Hasenhüttl week in week out making the same atrocious decisions?

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LiberalCommunist

LiberalCommunist

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But Ralph doing a bad job does not influence Mike Dean. But Mike Dean doing a bad job very much effects Ralph.

That just isn't fair. 

We need better from the refs and the guys at the top running the show. They are all far too comfortable. 

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SaintBobby

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  On 29/06/2021 at 09:04, whelk said:

Yes but if Eastleigh Town took on Brazil at penalties they would stand a decent chance. Of course it isn’t completely random. But going into a penalty shoot no one can ever confidently declare who is favourite to win hence the term ‘lottery’

The strength of mind is key but that isn’t proportionate to the skill of player.  And not like these players when get to level can kick to bottom corner, give the eyes to keeper etc and others of a lesser skill can’t pick out bottom corner as don’t yet have the skill

 

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Eastleigh would stand a better chance against Brazil on penalties than over a 90-120 minute match, for sure. But they'd still be a huge underdog. A single slip on a penalty shoot out can be decisive, whereas these can be recovered from in normal play (see Croatia's first goal yesterday...).

I think I'd make Brazil 98%-99% to win a match v Eastleigh and about 90%+ to win an penalties.

ChrisPY

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Southgate obviously thinks that lineup is the best way to win tonight but it’s not the only way and so negative and uninspiring that if we lose, it has to be his last game. 
 

If we win the tournament like this then brilliant and he’ll rightfully receive the plaudits but with the attacking talent we have, there was an opportunity to try and do it in style.

Jimmy_D

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Nerves starting to kick in now.

This tournament just seems like such a huge opportunity now, with that draw. Really hope the team doesn’t waste it.

igsey

igsey

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It will all depend on the full backs, if they're allowed to go forward then we stand a chance, if they're instructed to stay back like vs Scotland then we're playing for penalties or a lucky goal from a set piece (or Neuer brain fart).

vectraman

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  On 29/06/2021 at 15:20, aintforever said:

Looks too negative to me, 5 defenders and two central midfielders that offer nothing going forward. Hopefully Southgate has a cunning plan.

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I agree, but hope we are both wrong. Surely we aren’t playing for penalties…….😮😬

 

My god football fans are retards - why boo the German national anthem 🤦‍♂️

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OttawaSaint

OttawaSaint

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  On 29/06/2021 at 16:02, trousers said:

Shite free kick klaxon

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It’s quite the mathematical conundrum. JWP would clearly score the winning penalty but if he’s on the pitch then he’d have already bagged 2 or 3 free kick goals so does it even go to penalties?

northam soul

northam soul

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  On 29/06/2021 at 16:11, Toussaint said:

What was it all about Rice putting his hands behind his back and turning side on when Goretzka shot!!

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You do not see the top sides play like this.

All this talk of 3 at the back is bollox as it’s 5 at the back.

Need to stop these 2 Kante wannabes and play someone more creative in the middle.

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