Supporting the players in taking the knee

[East Kent Saint]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2021/jun/08/david-squires-on-the-unlikely-marxist-takeover-of-english-football

Ha Ha !

[Antrimsaint]

4 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2021/jun/08/david-squires-on-the-unlikely-marxist-takeover-of-english-football

Ha Ha !

Put better than I ever could, haha !

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Antrimsaint said:

I can’t agree Hypo. Express your dislike in other ways. Booing your own team   Is rubbish. Can’t you see that because of the reaction. How must those England players have felt, Christ.  Are you going to boo Saints players when you get a chance because of this? I will never boo my team. I might boo  Redmond because he’s s*** but not because of his politics.

I haven't booed anyone but I think the fans that do are perfectly entitled to. They are booing the act of taking the knee because of the political baggage attached to it not whatever the teams claim it represents. 

[Antrimsaint]

9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I haven't booed anyone but I think the fans that do are perfectly entitled to. They are booing the act of taking the knee because of the political baggage attached to it not whatever the teams claim it represents. 

I agree with you. They are perfectly entitled to and I totally agree with the right to protest.

where we disagree is the reason they are doing it. You choose to believe it is because of political baggage because we all know that football fans, of which I am one, are aware of the nuances of Marxist ideology and the overthrow of the state.

 I believe there was a more sinister reason which I perceive to be on the rise in this country.

we will have to agree to disagree. After all isn’t that what a democracy is?

Edited 9 June, 2021 by Antrimsaint

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Antrimsaint said:

I agree with you. They are perfectly entitled to and I totally agree with the right to protest.

where we disagree is the reason they are doing it. You choose to believe it is because of political baggage because we all know that football fans, of which I am one, are aware of the nuances of Marxist ideology and the overthrow of the state.

 I believe there was a more sinister reason which I perceive to be on the rise in this country.

we will have to agree to disagree. After all isn’t that what a democracy is?

Why are you bringing up Marxist ideology and the overthrow of the state? I didn't mention any of that and it's not the baggage I am referring to. 

Why did Millwall fans boo the taking of the knee and then applaud a different gesture the very next game? 

Edited 9 June, 2021 by hypochondriac

[Antrimsaint]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Why are you bringing up Marxist ideology and the overthrow of the state? I didn't mention any of that and it's not the baggage I am referring to. 

It is one of the arguments put up by the booing apologists and right wing press or am I incorrect that BLM are a left leaning  Marxist group intent on the overthrow of the state. 

I forgot that it was BLM that was on the Wembley pitch. What do the England players who support BLM stand for if not for the overthrow of the white state?

What is it that the England players are kneeling for? 

I thought it was about them supporting their teammates and racial equality.

[Nemi]

I’m not really sure why people even think this so-called “organisation” Black Lives Matter solely invented taking the knee and its their symbol/gesture.

 

Colon Kaepernick invented taking the knee - a gesture that had be used by Martin Luther King before. This is why he chose taking the knee:  "After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former NFL player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, ... during the anthem, as a peaceful protest," said Reid. "We chose to kneel because it's a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy."

 

Not sure what the political baggage is here?

 

Just because some people then used that symbol at Black Lives Matter protests doesn’t mean that this gesture belongs to Black Lives Matter - it isn’t even really an organisation, it’s a network - they never invented it, and can’t even own it as it isn’t even a trademarked gesture. It was just a symbol people copied from Colin Kaepernick whilst at protests.

 

So why there is this idea that kneeling belongs to Black Lives Matter, I really don’t know? It was just something copied by a few protestors and had now been copied by footballers.

[hypochondriac]

14 minutes ago, Antrimsaint said:

It is one of the arguments put up by the booing apologists and right wing press or am I incorrect that BLM are a left leaning  Marxist group intent on the overthrow of the state. 

I forgot that it was BLM that was on the Wembley pitch. What do the England players who support BLM stand for if not for the overthrow of the white state?

What is it that the England players are kneeling for? 

I thought it was about them supporting their teammates and racial equality.

Why have you ignored what I wrote? I said already that people are booing the act of taking the knee because of the negative associations attached to it. The political BLM movement has some members who are admitted Marxists and some of their policies and actions have been incredibly dodgy but none of that matters when discussing why people aren't happy with the gesture. Why the players say they are kneeling isn't relevant to the booing of the act. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Antrimsaint said:

Are you even Turkish? Have you been to Ankara, Ephesus, Bodrum? You seem to be living in England and been following Saints for years. I thought you would have followed Fenerbace or Galatasaray

 

I have actually been to all three of those places. Ephesus is very interesting, you should visit. pamukkale is also a glorious place to visit.

My name is Turkish, Funny name for an Englishman i know. My parents were on the same plane when it crashed. that's how they met. They named me after the the name of the plane. not many people are named after a plane crash

 

 

[Antrimsaint]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Why have you ignored what I wrote? I said already that people are booing the act of taking the knee because of the negative associations attached to it. The political BLM movement has some members who are admitted Marxists and some of their policies and actions have been incredibly dodgy but none of that matters when discussing why people aren't happy with the gesture. Why the players say they are kneeling isn't relevant to the booing of the act. 

I haven’t ignored it. You are saying people are booing the political baggage. I disagree. 

[Antrimsaint]

Hi Turkish, I have visited Ephesus and Bodrum and Pammukele for that matter. We went to the Roman necropolis nearby too. We also stopped off at the Persian rug factory. We didn’t buy anything. I feel international travel let’s us see other cultures, empathise with their lives and ultimately let’s us see that other peoples are nothing to fear and that we can all live together equally without having to denigrate others to raise ourselves up. I guess what I’m saying is that travel broadens the mind and promotes equality.

or is that too woke?

and yes that is a rather original way to get a forum board name.

[SKD]

26 minutes ago, Nemi said:

I’m not really sure why people even think this so-called “organisation” Black Lives Matter solely invented taking the knee and its their symbol/gesture.

 

Colon Kaepernick invented taking the knee - a gesture that had be used by Martin Luther King before. This is why he chose taking the knee:  "After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former NFL player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, ... during the anthem, as a peaceful protest," said Reid. "We chose to kneel because it's a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy."

 

Not sure what the political baggage is here?

 

Just because some people then used that symbol at Black Lives Matter protests doesn’t mean that this gesture belongs to Black Lives Matter - it isn’t even really an organisation, it’s a network - they never invented it, and can’t even own it as it isn’t even a trademarked gesture. It was just a symbol people copied from Colin Kaepernick whilst at protests.

 

So why there is this idea that kneeling belongs to Black Lives Matter, I really don’t know? It was just something copied by a few protestors and had now been copied by footballers.

People don’t think that BLM invented the knee. Of course they didn’t, but they have adopted it as a symbol. 
 

Just like the Nazi didn’t invent the Swastika... doesn’t stop people associating the two though, does it. 
 

Even disregarding that, I’ve no idea why people would associate the two. None at all. 

 

Edited 9 June, 2021 by SKD

[BERMUDASAINT]

1 hour ago, SKD said:

The only one who’s been racist here is you buddy. 

Hahaha, are you seriously stating that! You are so blind to the things you stated? Just because they removed the last thread on this topic, it won't take away the statements you posted. Did you click your heals and salute yourself in the mirror this morning?

I have written to the FA to change it from BLM to LBM, LOVE BLACK MEN!  will that help you! Could you embrace loving backs like you love your own? Nothing political,  it is more pure, more to the point, love a race you have problems fully accepting,  FULLY accepting is the hard part  we can all have mates even friends who are black, but are they truly accepted, LOVED ? 

Studies have shown white men anxiety rises when a back man enter the room. It seems an unconscious reaction. So it is not easy for the full acceptance of different races to accept each other. We have to challenge ourselves to accept all races as equal. It is not easy when you are surrounded by your own kind! This is not just a white person problem , all races have racist people in them! I have seen it on all sides. I have been a victim of it and learned to forgive and move on, I am not at the end of my journey to full acceptance of all races, but I am on the right path. 

SKD, you think BLM is not the way to go, fair enough, instead of supporting the boo boys, how about singing "Saints kick it out!" If the fans can get behind it it will clearly show we are behind the anti racism  and reduce the connection with the blm. This is what is needed, not booing! 

IF you or anyone is truly trying to improve oneself in the advancement of a more racially fair world, then booing is not it. But boo if ya like, it will show your are stuck in the past and not willing to move forward with addressing the racist. 

[Antrimsaint]

Great post Bermuda. A little introspection is required by all. Racism is not born it is learned.

I have had to challenge my own prejudice. I was brought up to hate Catholic’s and have done things I’m ashamed of. I have seen the big picture and try to walk in the other persons shoe. I often fail but I try.

This is what was funny about Muckie calling me a Mick. 

I was brought up in a loyalist home with a father in the UDR and the RUC. My grandfather was in the B specials and other members of my family have fought in Wars for the United Kingdom.

Muckie saw Irishman and equated Mick. There’s your prejudice.

we forget though that the majority drowned out the boos in the stadium because those fans knew what the booing was about. The vast majority in this country are not racist but the boo boys who are need to be challenged and drowned out.

[aintforever]

21 minutes ago, SKD said:

People don’t think that BLM invented the knee. Of course they didn’t, but they have adopted it as a symbol. 
 

Just like the Nazi didn’t invent the Swastika... doesn’t stop people associating the two though, does it. 
 

Even disregarding that, I’ve no idea why people would associate the two. None at all. 

 

The players have explained that there is nothing political in their gesture, we all know it is nothing political - why are you still pissing your pants over the marxism thing when you already know it is not political.

You are just inventing reasons to get angry about something, it's bonkers.

[LuckyNumber7]

2 hours ago, Antrimsaint said:

 

If you disagree with BLM protest at BLM rallies not at football matches. To me and many others it was reminiscent of bananas being thrown at Black players.

The players wore BLM on their shirts, it's constantly displayed on Sky and in stadiums etc. They started taking the knee around the same time BLM were going on marches and taking the knee, whilst causing chaos in English and US cities. The players and football in general are the ones who associated themselves with BLM and are now confused how people think there is a link?! For as long as they continue (intentionally or not) to show support for BLM then fans have every right to protest that at football matches.

[Nemi]

23 minutes ago, SKD said:

People don’t think that BLM invented the knee. Of course they didn’t, but they have adopted it as a symbol. 
 

Just like the Nazi didn’t invent the Swastika... doesn’t stop people associating the two though, does it. 
 

Even disregarding that, I’ve no idea why people would associate the two. None at all. 

 

Nobody leads Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter is the name of a movement and a network. You’re acting as if there is some sort of leader of a binary/formal group, when Black Lives Matter is network/movement of hundreds if not thousands of worldwide groups and organisations.

Protesters adopted it as a symbol, but there is literally no-one who can unilaterally or formally declare this is a symbol of Black Lives Matter because there isn’t a leader, there isn’t a hierarchy and Black Lives Matter isn’t even trademarked.

[Antrimsaint]

5 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

The players wore BLM on their shirts, it's constantly displayed on Sky and in stadiums etc. They started taking the knee around the same time BLM were going on marches and taking the knee, whilst causing chaos in English and US cities. The players and football in general are the ones who associated themselves with BLM and are now confused how people think there is a link?! For as long as they continue (intentionally or not) to show support for BLM then fans have every right to protest that at football matches.

The players at Wembley did not wear BLM shirts. They wore England shirts. They booed their own team for standing for racial equality which they have articulated numerous times.

others in the ground drowned out the boos because they knew it wasn’t about BLM. 

You are saying that those who booed the teams have no racist intent. Am I reading you correctly? You are stating that all those Booing fans had no racist intent.

Denial..longest river in Egypt 

[Nemi]

21 minutes ago, Antrimsaint said:

Great post Bermuda. A little introspection is required by all. Racism is not born it is learned.

I have had to challenge my own prejudice. I was brought up to hate Catholic’s and have done things I’m ashamed of. I have seen the big picture and try to walk in the other persons shoe. I often fail but I try.

This is what was funny about Muckie calling me a Mick. 

I was brought up in a loyalist home with a father in the UDR and the RUC. My grandfather was in the B specials and other members of my family have fought in Wars for the United Kingdom.

Muckie saw Irishman and equated Mick. There’s your prejudice.

we forget though that the majority drowned out the boos in the stadium because those fans knew what the booing was about. The vast majority in this country are not racist but the boo boys who are need to be challenged and drowned out.

People don’t like the knee because it makes them uncomfortable. But that is the whole point. And it’s not going to be solved until there are uncomfortable discussions and conversations. Unfortunately it’s pie in the sky thinking of someone thinks that racism can be solved without something that’s highlights the issue - and taking the knee has been very successful at getting people to at least talk about the problem, though clearly people (as evidenced here) are still uncomfortable.

 

I grew up in SE London from a pretty young age which was an incredibly uneasy place to grow up in during the early 90s. There were marches and demonstrations all the time and inevitably, as a result, violence too. Short term it was a mess but thank God it happened because we went from black kids being murdered for just walking down the wrong street to now a very multicultural area where people can interact rather peacefully. But there is still a long way to go even here, and that’s why these uncomfortable discussions still have to happen and will continue to happen as long as people feel uncomfortable about something like taking the knee.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Antrimsaint said:

Hi Turkish, I have visited Ephesus and Bodrum and Pammukele for that matter. We went to the Roman necropolis nearby too. We also stopped off at the Persian rug factory. We didn’t buy anything. I feel international travel let’s us see other cultures, empathise with their lives and ultimately let’s us see that other peoples are nothing to fear and that we can all live together equally without having to denigrate others to raise ourselves up. I guess what I’m saying is that travel broadens the mind and promotes equality.

or is that too woke?

and yes that is a rather original way to get a forum board name.

Agreed. When i'm booking a holiday top of the agenda is so that i can prove to myself that there is nothing to fear from people who live in different countries. Always ask the agent that as the first question "Star (they are non binary) where can I go this year to embrace myself in the rich tapastory of local culture to empathise with their lives to try to convince myself that the local inhabitants are not inferior beings and we have nothing to fear from them?" No that's not patronising/boardline racist at all.

Edited 9 June, 2021 by Turkish

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, Antrimsaint said:

The players at Wembley did not wear BLM shirts. They wore England shirts. They booed their own team for standing for racial equality which they have articulated numerous times.

others in the ground drowned out the boos because they knew it wasn’t about BLM. 

You are saying that those who booed the teams have no racist intent. Am I reading you correctly? You are stating that all those Booing fans had no racist intent.

Denial..longest river in Egypt 

As an Irishman/woman/none specific it's interesting that you are getting yourself very upset about what went on at and England game. What's been happening at Northern Ireland games?

[Antrimsaint]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Agreed. When i'm booking a holiday top of the agenda is so that i can prove to myself that there is nothing to fear from people who live in different countries. Always ask the agent that as the first question "Star (they are non binary) where can I go this year to embrace myself in the rich tapastory of local culture to try to convince myself that the local inhabitants are not inferior beings and we have nothing to fear from them?" No that's not patronising/boardline racist at all.

Lol, I agree it’s hard for you to understand the point of my post and yes it was patronising.

[wadesmith]

I posted a couple of days ago that what I like about ‘Taking The Knee’ is that it does cause division..in a way that ‘Kick It Out’ doesn’t . It’s in peoples faces..it stops al this ‘Woke’ symbolic bullshit the Kick It Out brings.. People are uncomftable with it. Lots on here on here hate it..but it gets them talking. I’ve read the nine pages on here, read some of the comments & think, ‘Yeah I know you mate..I’ve heard this stuff all my life..& & you ain’t ever going away’..but at least you know where you stand.It’s like lifting a paving slab & seeing what’s underneath..& I genuinely find that healthy. A huge amount of people in England dislike other races..but at least being able to talk about it’s a start.

[Antrimsaint]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

As an Irishman/woman/none specific it's interesting that you are getting yourself very upset about what went on at and England game. What's been happening at Northern Ireland games?

I self identify as a man/he. Thank you for the opportunity to clarify so you will not feel awkward not knowing how to address me. It is very sensitive of you.

 I was upset yes, were you not? The country you profess to support were harangued from the stands. Wonderfully motivated to win the Euros for the booers.

 I care because I am an immigrant to your country and I try and integrate myself with the the best intentions of England’s customs. I don’t believe Racism is one of them and I ally myself with the vast majority in this endeavour.

Do you agree that racism is one of England’s customs or should it be challenged? Should I go home if I disagree with you.

P.s. Not a lot, we have our own issues with sectarianism at the Norn Iron games. You should join me on the NI forums so we can call it out together.

Again, is that patronising enough?

[Antrimsaint]

8 minutes ago, wadesmith said:

I posted a couple of days ago that what I like about ‘Taking The Knee’ is that it does cause division..in a way that ‘Kick It Out’ doesn’t . It’s in peoples faces..it stops al this ‘Woke’ symbolic bullshit the Kick It Out brings.. People are uncomftable with it. Lots on here on here hate it..but it gets them talking. I’ve read the nine pages on here, read some of the comments & think, ‘Yeah I know you mate..I’ve heard this stuff all my life..& & you ain’t ever going away’..but at least you know where you stand.It’s like lifting a paving slab & seeing what’s underneath..& I genuinely find that healthy. A huge amount of people in England dislike other races..but at least being able to talk about it’s a start.

👏

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Antrimsaint said:

I haven’t ignored it. You are saying people are booing the political baggage. I disagree. 

Well lots of them have stated that it is their belief that the political movement that has seen cities burnt, cenotaph disrespected and a political agenda being pushed that is disagreeable is linked to the act of taking the knee. If you disagree are you saying they are lying? Why did Millwall fans clap the anti racism gesture at their game and boo the taking of the knee if it wasn't the gesture that they objected to? 

What do you think the reaction from the fans would be if a different and less divisive gesture was chosen? 

Edited 9 June, 2021 by hypochondriac

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, wadesmith said:

I posted a couple of days ago that what I like about ‘Taking The Knee’ is that it does cause division..in a way that ‘Kick It Out’ doesn’t . It’s in peoples faces..it stops al this ‘Woke’ symbolic bullshit the Kick It Out brings.. People are uncomftable with it. Lots on here on here hate it..but it gets them talking. I’ve read the nine pages on here, read some of the comments & think, ‘Yeah I know you mate..I’ve heard this stuff all my life..& & you ain’t ever going away’..but at least you know where you stand.It’s like lifting a paving slab & seeing what’s underneath..& I genuinely find that healthy. A huge amount of people in England dislike other races..but at least being able to talk about it’s a start.

Where is an example of this thread of people disliking other races? It's comments like yours that make assumptions about people because they disagree with the act of taking a knee which is disgusting and which causes further division. I agree that taking the knee is divisive but any conversations it has sparked haven't been positive at all. In my opinion it's left more divisions and you're less likely to bring about any sort of positive change as a consequence. 

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, Antrimsaint said:

I self identify as a man/he. Thank you for the opportunity to clarify so you will not feel awkward not knowing how to address me. It is very sensitive of you.

 I was upset yes, were you not? The country you profess to support were harangued from the stands. Wonderfully motivated to win the Euros for the booers.

 I care because I am an immigrant to your country and I try and integrate myself with the the best intentions of England’s customs. I don’t believe Racism is one of them and I ally myself with the vast majority in this endeavour.

Do you agree that racism is one of England’s customs or should it be challenged? Should I go home if I disagree with you.

P.s. Not a lot, we have our own issues with sectarianism at the Norn Iron games. You should join me on the NI forums so we can call it out together.

Again, is that patronising enough?

It's not my country pal. You (claim) to be from Northern Ireland, you're hardly a Somalian that doesn't speak any English. "Integrate myself with the best intentions of English customs" Brilliant! 

 

Its a great character this one chap, best one for a while, quiet day in the Surverying world?

Edited 9 June, 2021 by Turkish

[wadesmith]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Where is an example of this thread of people disliking other races? It's comments like yours that make assumptions about people because they disagree with the act of taking a knee which is disgusting and which causes further division. I agree that taking the knee is divisive but any conversations it has sparked haven't been positive at all. In my opinion it's left more divisions and you're less likely to bring about any sort of positive change as a consequence. 

Can you copy & paste the part where I said people On this thread dislike other races? & I disagree, I actually find your comments quite positive.

 

Edited 9 June, 2021 by wadesmith

[Antrimsaint]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Well lots of them have stated that it is their belief that the political movement that has seen cities burnt, cenotaph disrespected and a political agenda being pushed that is disagreeable is linked to the act of taking the knee. If you disagree are you saying they are lying? 

I agree with Gareth Southgate and the team what their intentions are. How the ones who booed now want to flip the narrative is for themselves to juggle. I’ve never heard such nonsense that there now includes an anti BLM movement amongst England fans and this is the mountain they want to die on.

when is the next anti BLM march for the booers?

[Adman]

Perhaps booing an anti racism gesture isn’t the best way to protest a political ideology or movement. It doesn’t give people a lot to go on and it makes the people booing look racist, whatever their disagreement. Perhaps giving more constructive feedback would help like “down with maxismim, up with capitalism”, “laissez Faire”,  “we hate violence”. 

Edited 9 June, 2021 by Adman

[Antrimsaint]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It's not my country pal. You (claim) to be from Northern Ireland, you're hardly a Somalian that doesn't speak any English. "Integrate myself with the best intentions of English customs" Brilliant! 

 

Its a great character this one chap, best one for a while, quiet day in the Surverying world?

I’m enjoying it too. I like a good barney. Gets the old grey matter going.

Its very busy in the surveying world but I am going to tell you the truth. I have been self isolating for the last two weeks away from my family for the last two weeks. We have a static in Wales and I haven’t seen anyone for a while.

A month ago I was diagnosed with Kidney Cancer and I am going into hospital at The Royal tomorrow to have a Kidney removed. The op is complicated because of the position of the tumour. There is a 25% chance I don’t get off the table because it is next to the venal artery I think they call it.

 I am 47 and have a 9 year old son I am frightened of leaving. 

This has been a great distraction since yesterday so I thank you all for entertaining me. 

It doesn’t mean I don’t mean everything I say but it’s all really meaningless in the grand scheme of things. My opinion isn’t going to change yours and yours isn’t going to change mine.

 I think it’s good to have the argument that’s all and hope better understanding comes from it.

[Lord Duckhunter]

[Antrimsaint]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Sorry is that England at Wembley Muckie?

[Antrimsaint]

Just now, Antrimsaint said:

Sorry is that England at Wembley Muckie?

Your reply should now be No, that’s Aston Villa Mick!

[Lord Duckhunter]

It’s that well known anti racist John Terry taking the knee. 

[Antrimsaint]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s that well known anti racist John Terry taking the knee. 

I’ll play. Always a few bad apples innit mate?

[Antrimsaint]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s that well known anti racist John Terry taking the knee. 

Known for your anti racism aren’t you Muckie?

[SKD]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

The players have explained that there is nothing political in their gesture, we all know it is nothing political - why are you still pissing your pants over the marxism thing when you already know it is not political.

You are just inventing reasons to get angry about something, it's bonkers.

It’s actually really fucking painful getting into debates about this with you idiots. 

To make it clear, I very much doubt anyone thinks the players are doing this in support of Marxism, burning cities etc. Of course they’re not. In all honesty, I suspect there are a share that are only doing it because of pressure to be on the ‘right side of history’ and fear of consequences not to. 

However, the knee and BLM previously (see  above photos) are a symbol and associated to Marxism, and burning cities and vandalising structures in the BLM movement. As previously stated, if you walk round with a swastika on, despite what you say (I.e I’m not a nazi), you’ll be accused of being a nazi. 

There’s a lot to dislike and disagree about the BLM movement. 

If they want to distance themselves from it, why not take up another anti racism gesture that has 0 links to BLM? 
 

You’re the only one inventing things. I don’t think anyone has suggest the players are supporting Marxism in taking the knee. 

[Antrimsaint]

If Aston Villa are sporting the Swaztika why boo England?

[Antrimsaint]

16 minutes ago, SKD said:

It’s actually really fucking painful getting into debates about this with you idiots. 

Losing the argument aren’t you. What colour is your face going?

[aintforever]

18 minutes ago, SKD said:

if you walk round with a swastika on, despite what you say (I.e I’m not a nazi), you’ll be accused of being a nazi.  

Comparing taking the knee to the swastika is just retarded, the Swastika is a logo linked to the murder of millions of people so rightly carries a stigma with it. Anyhow if you actually KNEW the person was wearing it for some other reason, accusing them of being a Nazi or booing them would be just as daft.

Taking the knee could be associated with a specific BLM movement but you have already been told that is not the reasoning behind it, so you already know that it is a generic anti racism gesture when you boo. 

What you are doing is like booing the England Rugby team because they have a rose on their kit and you hate the Labour Party.

Dumb as fuck.

 

Edited 9 June, 2021 by aintforever

[Antrimsaint]

1 minute ago, aintforever said:

Comparing taking the knee to the swastika is just retarded, the Swastika is a logo linked to the murder of millions of people so rightly carries a stigma with it. Anyhow if you actually KNEW the person was wearing it for some other reason, accusing them of being a Nazi or booing them would be just as daft.

Taking the knee could be associated with a specific BLM movement but you have already been told that is not the reasoning behind it, so you already know that it is a generic anti racism gesture when you boo. 

What you are doing is like booing the England Rugby team because they have a Rose on their kit and you hate the Labour Party.

Dumb as fuck.

 

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[SKD]

1 minute ago, Antrimsaint said:

 

Losing the argument aren’t you. What colour is your face going?

No one and I repeat no one could ever lose an argument to you after your Foolish display in this thread. I’m amazed you’re even still going to be honest. 

[SKD]

5 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Comparing taking the knee to the swastika is just retarded, the Swastika is a logo linked to the murder of millions of people so rightly carries a stigma with it. Anyhow if you actually KNEW the person was wearing it for some other reason, accusing them of being a Nazi or booing them would be just as daft.

Taking the knee could be associated with a specific BLM movement but you have already been told that is not the reasoning behind it, so you already know that it is a generic anti racism gesture when you boo. 

What you are doing is like booing the England Rugby team because they have a Rose on their kit and you hate the Labour Party.

Dumb as fuck.

 

How many have been killed in the name of Communism.....

If the England Rugby team worse t-shirts supporting Labour and adapted the badge for that, then yes, they’d be boo’d as well. 

England cricket team managed to show their support of anti racism, no knee. no boo’s. no backlash. 

Edited 9 June, 2021 by SKD

[Antrimsaint]

1 minute ago, SKD said:

No one and I repeat no one could ever lose an argument to you after your Foolish display in this thread. I’m amazed you’re even still going to be honest. 

Just killing time. Would you stand on the terraces and Boo England. Just so we know where we are?

[SKD]

2 minutes ago, Antrimsaint said:

Just killing time. Would you stand on the terraces and Boo England. Just so we know where we are?

Given your DM to a mod was exposed mid I’m Surprised you aren’t wasting time on the phone to the old bill, crying about a big racist forum bully. But don’t worry you can take the insults, as you continue to tell us. 

It’s funny how you changed your tune after being called out for being the only Racist on here. Keep those salty tears coming. 

[Antrimsaint]

3 minutes ago, SKD said:

 

Comparing taking the knee to the swastika is just retarded, the Swastika is a logo linked to the murder of millions of people so rightly carries a stigma with it.

 

To be fair, I would have booed the England team for this but but Im sure some people would have argued against me for doing it. The point is you are free to boo but you have to expect comeback.

[Antrimsaint]

3 minutes ago, SKD said:

But don’t worry you can take the insults, as you continue to tell us.

Not insults, Racism/xenophobia. Hence why it was removed. I haven’t asked for anything else to be removed. Clear?

Edited 9 June, 2021 by Antrimsaint

[Antrimsaint]

3 minutes ago, SKD said:

Given your DM to a mod was exposed mid I’m Surprised you aren’t wasting time on the phone to the old bill, crying about a big racist forum bully. But don’t worry you can take the insults, as you continue to tell us. 

It’s funny how you changed your tune after being called out for being the only Racist on here. Keep those salty tears coming. 

Keep going redder!