Supporting the players in taking the knee

[tajjuk]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You’re saying everyone who doesn’t agree with taking the knee is one of those three? 

Yes broadly. I presume you are suggesting there are actually legitimate reasons for booing player's taking the knee, but there are not. 

[adrian lord]

Interesting to observe that the abusive language, intolerance and name-calling on this thread comes almost exclusively from the #bekind,  pro-BLM and kneeling types. 

[benjii]

4 minutes ago, adrian lord said:

Interesting to observe that the abusive language, intolerance and name-calling on this thread comes almost exclusively from the #bekind,  pro-BLM and kneeling types. 

Well most of the booers are at least intelligent enough to realise that they have to tread very carefully.

As with most things, the reality is that there will be a few people who think this is great and needs to be rapturously supported (to the point of "reporting" anyone visibly disagreeing - fucking hell!), a few people who get wound up by complicated thoughts but know they can't just say "I've had enough of these blacks" so need to try various sub-GCSE attempts at rationalising their own impotent anger, and the vast majority who probably think the spirit is laudable but the execution has become somewhat ineffective but really aren't going to get worked up one way or the other.

Edited 6 June, 2021 by benjii

[Red]

Good god what is the issue here? If you agree with taking the knee great - if you don't it's fine too and your choice. No one is forcing the players, clubs, fans etc. It may or may not change things for the better but at least is causing an awareness and debate. Taking the knee is NOT the same as supporting the Black Life Matters politic organisation - listen to the ads by the PL players.

If you think racism doesn't exist in life today, then you are sadly mistaken. I see it everyday, in all forms of life. For example, I have been on business calls where people are asked where they are from (as they have an unusual name) and when they say, "I'm from London", the response is no, where are you really from as your name is not British? OK this is not your physical racial thuggery but why would people think that way? Good friend of mine was turned down for a job because hiring company said "his name would not look right on a business card" - really in this day and age?? 

[Turkish]

 

Always the way mate 

10 minutes ago, adrian lord said:

Interesting to observe that the abusive language, intolerance and name-calling on this thread comes almost exclusively from the #bekind,  pro-BLM and kneeling types. 

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

Yes broadly. I presume you are suggesting there are actually legitimate reasons for booing player's taking the knee, but there are not. 

Given you condemn anyone with a different opinion to you as ignorant, racist or stupid then it appears you’re unwilling to listen to anyone’s legitimacy for not supporting it

[Pedantic Pete]

 

2 minutes ago, Red said:

Good god what is the issue here? If you agree with taking the knee great - if you don't it's fine too and your choice. No one is forcing the players, clubs, fans etc. It may or may not change things for the better but at least is causing an awareness and debate. Taking the knee is NOT the same as supporting the Black Life Matters politic organisation - listen to the ads by the PL players.

If you think racism doesn't exist in life today, then you are sadly mistaken. I see it everyday, in all forms of life. For example, I have been on business calls where people are asked where they are from (as they have an unusual name) and when they say, "I'm from London", the response is no, where are you really from as your name is not British? OK this is not your physical racial thuggery but why would people think that way? Good friend of mine was turned down for a job because hiring company said "his name would not look right on a business card" - really in this day and age?? 

I don't think I have seen one person say racism doesn't exist?

 

[bpsaint]

3 hours ago, Antrimsaint said:

 

 

Tw*t

Congratulations on your fantastic display of reasoned debate, I won’t stoop to your level of intelligence but stand by my original view - taking the knee is no longer making any difference to the situation in this country, and the so called “minorities” need to sort their own shit out instead of blaming us. 
 

The recent shooting of the BLM activist by some random black drug dealers, as well as the gangs of blacks attacking police in Brixton aren’t helping their cause.

[tajjuk]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Given you condemn anyone with a different opinion to you as ignorant, racist or stupid then it appears you’re unwilling to listen to anyone’s legitimacy for not supporting it

Because there is no legitimacy for booing players taking a knee because they want to continue highlighting a racism problem that is clearly still there in football and society at large and literally impacting their colleagues daily. Literally none. 

It's like booing someone who says the Nazis were bad. There is no good or legitimate reason to do that and there is no good or legitimate reason to boo the players taking a knee, so yes they will fit into those three categories. 

Edited 6 June, 2021 by tajjuk

[adrian lord]

When they started, the footballers clearly thought it seemed like a good thing to do and I am sure, like many, they were ignorant of the associations with BLM and their radical   and racist political agenda. 

A week of the kneeling  would have got the message across in a powerful, dignified manner. 

But it persisted  and moved through stages, including being an empty performative ritual, losing all effect through repetition, through to now where it has become decidedly gratuitous in an antagonistic manner, and seen as hectoring by many in the audience. The kneelers and their supporters are dug in to a position and don't want to be seen to blink, or "cave in" and stop. Players who don't want to do it are clearly intimidated and fear that breaking ranks with the practice will see them thrown to the lions. It will be interesting to see how and when it eventually does stop. 

[tajjuk]

2 minutes ago, adrian lord said:

When they started, the footballers clearly thought it seemed like a good thing to do and I am sure, like many, they were ignorant of the associations with BLM and their radical   and racist political agenda. 

A week of the kneeling  would have got the message across in a powerful, dignified manner. 

But it persisted  and moved through stages, including being an empty performative ritual, losing all effect through repetition, through to now where it has become decidedly gratuitous in an antagonistic manner, and seen as hectoring by many in the audience. The kneelers and their supporters are dug in to a position and don't want to be seen to blink, or "cave in" and stop. Players who don't want to do it are clearly intimidated and fear that breaking ranks with the practice will see them thrown to the lions. It will be interesting to see how and when it eventually does stop. 

What a load of tosh. The players are literally telling you on a daily basis why they are doing it and what it means to them. You now have the absolute farcical arrogance to tell them they are doing it for something else and even say with ZERO evidence that they are being forced to do it. 

The ignorance clearly sits with you. 

 

Edited 6 June, 2021 by tajjuk

[BERMUDASAINT]

4 minutes ago, benjii said:

Well most of the booers are at least intelligent enough to realise that they have to tread very carefully.

Intelligence has nothing to do with compassion.  The phrase " if you have nothing good to say,  don't say nothing at all!" Is one many of us can use! But the self indulged don't care, it is their opinion and everyone must know about it! Thus some are booing and verbally abusing our own players, why? To inspire your player to do better? Destroy his confidence is a help? It like booing you army that is dying on the field of battle trying to defend you? WTF? You do this to other teams players to upset them, why do it to your own? Because of lack of compassion!

Why boo the knee, you have nothing good to say, so shut up! It takes a few seconds and the people on the field feel it is important. Why put your negativity on show for a cause that has a positive message.

[Sir Ralph]

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Edited 6 June, 2021 by Sir Ralph

[Sir Ralph]

8 minutes ago, BERMUDASAINT said:

Intelligence has nothing to do with compassion.  The phrase " if you have nothing good to say,  don't say nothing at all!" Is one many of us can use! But the self indulged don't care, it is their opinion and everyone must know about it! Thus some are booing and verbally abusing our own players, why? To inspire your player to do better? Destroy his confidence is a help? It like booing you army that is dying on the field of battle trying to defend you? WTF? You do this to other teams players to upset them, why do it to your own? Because of lack of compassion!

Why boo the knee, you have nothing good to say, so shut up! It takes a few seconds and the people on the field feel it is important. Why put your negativity on show for a cause that has a positive message.

This post thread is evidence as to why kneeling should be dropped. It’s divisive because of its BLM links. Campaigns such as kick it out were previously supported by fans. Why did people not boo previous anti racism campaigns but boo this one - there is one key difference. It’s obvious

[egg]

26 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

Because there is no legitimacy for booing players taking a knee because they want to continue highlighting a racism problem that is clearly still there in football and society at large and literally impacting their colleagues daily. Literally none. 

It's like booing someone who says the Nazis were bad. There is no good or legitimate reason to do that and there is no good or legitimate reason to boo the players taking a knee, so yes they will fit into those three categories. 

Simple yes or no questions for you:

1. do you acknowledge that the knee is symbolic of BLM? 

2.do you acknowledge that BLM is a political movement that stands for something other than racial equality? 

When you've answered yes to both, we'll address the other points you raise. 

[supersonic]

Are people still genuinely still using the socialist excuse for not supporting? 

[BERMUDASAINT]

18 minutes ago, adrian lord said:

When they started, the footballers clearly thought it seemed like a good thing to do and I am sure, like many, they were ignorant of the associations with BLM and their radical   and racist political agenda. 

A week of the kneeling  would have got the message across in a powerful, dignified manner. 

But it persisted  and moved through stages, including being an empty performative ritual, losing all effect through repetition, through to now where it has become decidedly gratuitous in an antagonistic manner, and seen as hectoring by many in the audience. The kneelers and their supporters are dug in to a position and don't want to be seen to blink, or "cave in" and stop. Players who don't want to do it are clearly intimidated and fear that breaking ranks with the practice will see them thrown to the lions. It will be interesting to see how and when it eventually does stop. 

My opinion on what you wrote tells me you are like most, so long as they do it for a little while, you can TOLORATE it, but don't bang your drum too long as it will ANNOY me  and I will have to display my true feelings and lack of compassion toward your long standing suffering.  

You and your fellowship are showing your true inner feelings on race. Please continue,  always nice for the " I am not racist " pretenders to show their true colors. 

I have friends like this,  can't change them, but I know where they stand and just hope their children become more compassionate and caring of other races. 

I am writing this on one knee.....

Peace to all Saints fans! Can we just get behind our rainbow nation of a team and give them encouragement and positively! Remember what mum used to say......."IF YOU HAVE NOTHING GOOD TO SAY, THEN SAY NOTHIG AT ALL"

Take a knee then March on my fellow Saints!

[egg]

18 minutes ago, supersonic said:

Are people still genuinely still using the socialist excuse for not supporting? 

What's socialism got to do with it? BLM is a stand alone political organisation that stands for its own beliefs. 

[egg]

2 hours ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

Taking the Knee has not had the desired outcome. The likes of Sterling, Rashford etc still get racist comments and monkey emojis after a poor performance. No matter what is put into practice to try to stop racism, there will always be those out there who are racist.

That's correct. Racists are out there, it's a sad part of society. Taking the knee won't end it though, and black players will unfortunately continue to cop it from the minority element.

I don't pretend to know the answer, but it seems to me that the more the racists are hearing and reading in the media that their words are having a negative impact, the more they're doing it. I'm not saying that ignoring it will make it go away because it won't, but highlighting appears to be making it worse. 

[simo]

Imo "Taking a knee" is tainted , a year of doing it has changed nothing and when you have black players refusing to do it it tells you it isn't racist to disagree with it ! A better show of unity would be both teams standing together arm in arm or something. 

Edited 6 June, 2021 by simo

[hypochondriac]

I realise this is invoking Godwin's law but I think using an analogy makes the issue quite clear. 

Let's suppose I created a group with a message that everyone broadly supports like "down with paedos." I then decided to unfurl a giant swastika at every dwp demonstration and I persuaded a load of anti paedo activists to wave little dwp flags with swastikas on. I even managed to get the Premier league on board with my message and soon players were waving these little flags before every game. Before every match I set out precisely what my protest was for. When people voiced their displeasure or booed my demonstration I just assumed they were pro paedophile or didn't really care about child abuse. Some people tried to point out the negative connotations of my swastika flags but I just called them ignorant because the swastika was perfectly innocent and had just been coopted by a group that I have nothing to do with and that isn't linked to me in any way. Ignorant people just need to educate themselves about what the swastika was really about before some other groups tried to use it in a negative way. Some people even tried to suggest that I supported fascism which is just an insane leap of logic and I can't see why anyone would ever think that because I've told everyone what my group stands for multiple times. I know that there's been numerous fundraisers for "down with paedos" that wasn't me as that was a different group in America that did support fascists. I know they have the exact same name as my organisation and they wave little swastika flags as well but I still can't see why the difference isn't crystal clear to everyone. I know that loads of corporations leapt on their fundraiser and they raised millions and I heard that the person who started that fundraiser has run off with a load of the cash and even some people who wanted to support my "down with paedos" organisation donated to their cause because they thought they were backing me but I still don't understand why all these pro nonce people have a problem with what I'm doing. There's just so many football supporters who are pro paedophilia booing these poor players making a stand against paedophiles it's just disgusting. 

Edited 6 June, 2021 by hypochondriac

[SKD]

6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I realise this is invoking Godwin's law but I think using an analogy makes the issue quite clear. 

Let's suppose I created a group with a message that everyone broadly supports like "down with paedos." I then decided to unfurl a giant swastika at every dwp demonstration and I persuaded a load of anti paedo activists to wave little dwp flags with swastikas on. I even managed to get the Premier league on board with my message and soon players were waving these little flags before every game. Before every match I set out precisely what my protest was for. When people voiced their displeasure or booed my demonstration I just assumed they were pro paedophile or didn't really care about child abuse. Some people tried to point out the negative connotations of my swastika flags but I just called them ignorant because the swastika was perfectly innocent and had just been coopted by a group that I have nothing to do with and that isn't linked to me in any way. Some people even tried to suggest that I supported fascism which is just an insane leap of logic and I can't see why anyone would ever think that plbecause I've told everyone what my group stands for multiple times. I know that there's been numerous fundraisers for "down with paedos" that wasn't me as that was a different group in America that did support fascists. I know that loads of corporations leapt on their fundraiser and they raised millions and I heard that the person who started that fundraiser has run off with a load of the cash and even some people who wanted to support my "down with paedos" organisation donated to their cause because they thought they were backing me but I still don't understand why all these pro nonce people have a problem with what I'm doing. 

Exactly the point I’ve made before. 

[SKD]

The fact there is confusion and debate around the meaning of the act and it’s political undertones, should in itself, show taking the knee / BLM isn’t fit for purpose. 

[wadesmith]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I realise this is invoking Godwin's law but I think using an analogy makes the issue quite clear. 

Let's suppose I created a group with a message that everyone broadly supports like "down with paedos." I then decided to unfurl a giant swastika at every dwp demonstration and I persuaded a load of anti paedo activists to wave little dwp flags with swastikas on. I even managed to get the Premier league on board with my message and soon players were waving these little flags before every game. Before every match I set out precisely what my protest was for. When people voiced their displeasure or booed my demonstration I just assumed they were pro paedophile or didn't really care about child abuse. Some people tried to point out the negative connotations of my swastika flags but I just called them ignorant because the swastika was perfectly innocent and had just been coopted by a group that I have nothing to do with and that isn't linked to me in any way. Ignorant people just need to educate themselves about what the swastika was really about before some other groups tried to use it in a negative way. Some people even tried to suggest that I supported fascism which is just an insane leap of logic and I can't see why anyone would ever think that because I've told everyone what my group stands for multiple times. I know that there's been numerous fundraisers for "down with paedos" that wasn't me as that was a different group in America that did support fascists. I know that loads of corporations leapt on their fundraiser and they raised millions and I heard that the person who started that fundraiser has run off with a load of the cash and even some people who wanted to support my "down with paedos" organisation donated to their cause because they thought they were backing me but I still don't understand why all these pro nonce people have a problem with what I'm doing. There's just so many football supporters who are pro paedophilia booing these poor players making a stand against paedophiles it's just disgusting. 

This has to be the worst analogy in the history of the human race. So you’re presenting a scenario where there’s a ‘down with Peados group’ ..ok so far so good..then you’ve turned the analogy up a notch by adding a ‘and we’re all waving swastikas’ element. You’re whole analogy is so brutally flawed I don’t even know where to begin..

[ChrisPY]

56 minutes ago, BERMUDASAINT said:

My opinion on what you wrote tells me you are like most, so long as they do it for a little while, you can TOLORATE it, but don't bang your drum too long as it will ANNOY me  and I will have to display my true feelings and lack of compassion toward your long standing suffering.  

You and your fellowship are showing your true inner feelings on race. Please continue,  always nice for the " I am not racist " pretenders to show their true colors. 

I have friends like this,  can't change them, but I know where they stand and just hope their children become more compassionate and caring of other races. 

I am writing this on one knee.....

Peace to all Saints fans! Can we just get behind our rainbow nation of a team and give them encouragement and positively! Remember what mum used to say......."IF YOU HAVE NOTHING GOOD TO SAY, THEN SAY NOTHIG AT ALL"

Take a knee then March on my fellow Saints!

Issue for me is what is it actually achieving?

After a few weeks of doing it, there was an opportunity to seize on where real change could have happened.

Now it seems like it is just done to raise awareness of racism, as if a racist will notice and think ‘shit, I didn’t realise I was offending anyone with my views’.

Agree that booing it is a bit odd because of the intention the players have when taking the knee is clearly not in support of BLM the organisation but I also think that for the majority, booing it (whilst misjudged) does not have racism behind it.

For most, racism is abhorrent but it will take a lot more than a few millionaires kneeling to eradicate it from society (not just football), the gesture is no longer achieving anything and almost feels like an implication that football and its supporters are a bigger problem to the issue than society as a whole. 

We live in a predominantly white country so of course there will be unconscious bias against other races and of course measure should be put in place to allow people of all colours to live a life without prejudice but I can’t understand how continuing to kneel down is now anything more than tokenism.
 

 

[JustinSFC]

7 hours ago, bpsaint said:

Virtue signalling that has lost all meaning, it should have been retired at the end of last season.

Theres still serious amounts of black on black crime happening in this country, stabbings and shootings, it’s about time they look inward rather than blaming “white privilege” for their behaviour. Black lives do seem to matter to us, but not to themselves.

Fuck me.

[Smirking_Saint]

12 minutes ago, SKD said:

The fact there is confusion and debate around the meaning of the act and it’s political undertones, should in itself, show taking the knee / BLM isn’t fit for purpose. 

Im not convinced that there is a huge amount of confusion about it, unfortunately I think the majority of people see kneeling as a 'them and us' movement, in a similar way to the fact that we have a vocal minority on social media arguing about the merits of the LGBT month or MOBO's

Personally, Im not convinced that taking the knee is having any more affect for the issues at large, it now just feels like an empty symbol. But the 'it has links to the BLM political group' is just nonsense that has debunked over and over and is used as an excuse to ignore the greater message at play, if there was not a BLM link.. there would be another reason to ignore the message too

Nothing will change as long as the governing body see any racial events within the sport as arbitrary compared to many other problems such as financial fair play and ESL challenges etc

At the end of the day, if the players still accept that what they are doing is a worthwhile symbolic gesture then I will support that right, if you don't support it, thats fine, ignore it... but to boo it shows a lack of respect both to the players as well as the issues at large

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, tajjuk said:

What a load of tosh. The players are literally telling you on a daily basis why they are doing it and what it means to them.

 

What will have the bigger impact. Boycotting the World Cup in Qatar or taking the knee before a game of football. 
 

What matters to them isn’t racial equality or the lives of unfortunate persecuted people in the world, all that matters to them is that mugs like you believe these lives matter to them. 
 

 

 

[Smirking_Saint]

37 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What will have the bigger impact. Boycotting the World Cup in Qatar or taking the knee before a game of football. 
 

What matters to them isn’t racial equality or the lives of unfortunate persecuted people in the world, all that matters to them is that mugs like you believe these lives matter to them. 
 

 

 

Whilst I agree... the fact that the greater footballing community isn't boycotting Qatar, or actually tackling racial incidents is pretty depressing that doesn't really correlate with booing players taking the knee

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, wadesmith said:

This has to be the worst analogy in the history of the human race. So you’re presenting a scenario where there’s a ‘down with Peados group’ ..ok so far so good..then you’ve turned the analogy up a notch by adding a ‘and we’re all waving swastikas’ element. You’re whole analogy is so brutally flawed I don’t even know where to begin..

How so? The point clearly being made is that there's an unsavoury group called black lives matter in America that some other group in the UK also called black lives matter wants to say they have nothing to do with except that they use the same gestures and the same branding etc. I didn't think I had to explain it to you and my analogy is clearly exaggerated to make the point obvious but you can remove the swastika and replace it with other controversial gestures if one springs to mind. 

If you want people to support a supposed anti racist movement that's now part of things before the football then the obvious thing to do is to choose gestures and branding that isn't associated with a divisive organisation in America that many people have a problem with. You can shout that it has nothing to do with the 'other' black lives matter until you're blue in the face but it doesn't remove the association or the problem that many will have with it as a result. 

The fact that people then say that anyone booing is actually a racist is just absurd but typical of similar users of twitter who assume that everyone they disagree with is a racist. 

Edited 6 June, 2021 by hypochondriac

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, JustinSFC said:

Fuck me.

Great contribution. 

[JustinSFC]

10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Great contribution. 

Well since when the fuck has BLM ever been about white privilege.

Actually don't answer.

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

Well since when the fuck has BLM ever been about white privilege.

Actually don't answer.

Are you talking about Black lives matter the organisation in America that wants to defund the police, promotes autonomous zones in America with staggering levels of murder and crime and whose founders have described themselves as Marxist? 

Or are you talking about the unrelated black lives matter movement that wants to do kneeling at the football? 

[whelk]

I don’t think there is anything as depressing reading a Saintsweb thread on taking the knee. Can predict    the ones that get a hard on at the booing. Damn those damn Marxists eh

[RedArmy]

If they picked a new gesture, dropped the Black Lives Matter and went back to something like the kick it out campaign then they would have full support from the stands. 
 

 

[JustinSFC]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Are you talking about Black lives matter the organisation in America that wants to defund the police, promotes autonomous zones in America with staggering levels of murder and crime and whose founders have described themselves as Marxist? 

Or are you talking about the unrelated black lives matter movement that wants to do kneeling at the football? 

Jesus Christ.

Have you got a fucking clue what you're talking about... At all?

Neither have ever been about Marxism or white privilege mate, other than a few extreme nutters.

That's it from me.

Carry on.

 

Edited 6 June, 2021 by JustinSFC

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

Jesus Christ.

Have you got a fucking clue what you're talking about... At all?

Neither have ever been about Marxism or white privilege mate, other than a few extreme nutters.

That's it from me.

Carry on.

 

Why do you keep mentioning white privilege? Go and educate yourself about the highly divisive movement in America, some of the things their founders have claimed and some of the acts that supposed supporters of theirs have done. Many more than some extreme nutters as you put it. 

 

Anyway I thought the two were entirely separate things so why are you talking about them as if they are the same thing? 

[Saint_clark]

3 hours ago, supersonic said:

Are people still genuinely still using the socialist excuse for not supporting? 

Are people genuinely still using the racist rebuttal to those not supporting, despite the fact they fully support other anti-racism campaigns like Kick it Out? 

[JustinSFC]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Why do you keep mentioning white privilege? Go and educate yourself about the highly divisive movement in America, some of the things their founders have claimed and some of the acts that supposed supporters of theirs have done. Many more than some extreme nutters as you put it. 

 

Anyway I thought the two were entirely separate things so why are you talking about them as if they are the same thing? 

Because you dug me out (of all the comments you could you have picked) you dug me out for 2 words.

I'm telling you why I said them.

That's it. 

 

[Saint_clark]

21 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

If they picked a new gesture, dropped the Black Lives Matter and went back to something like the kick it out campaign then they would have full support from the stands. 
 

 

100%. They just said on the ITV coverage of the England game that those who boo "don't want to understand what it's about". Ironic given that the people booing have all said it's not about racism but are constantly called racists anyway. Sounds like it's the ones who support taking the knee that don't want to understand. 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, JustinSFC said:

Because you dug me out (of all the comments you could you have picked) you dug me out for 2 words.

I'm telling you why I said them.

That's it. 

 

I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. You said:

"since when has BLM been about white privilege?" I don't know where that came from. You're the only one who has mentioned it. 

[hypochondriac]

23 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

If they picked a new gesture, dropped the Black Lives Matter and went back to something like the kick it out campaign then they would have full support from the stands. 
 

 

100% which is why the claims of racism and all the opposing arguments are idiotic. 

[JustinSFC]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. You said:

"since when has BLM been about white privilege?" I don't know where that came from. You're the only one who has mentioned it. 

The bloke I quoted mentioned it.

I didn't even reply to you. 

You just involved yourself talking shit.

[Lord Duckhunter]

59 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Whilst I agree... the fact that the greater footballing community isn't boycotting Qatar, or actually tackling racial incidents is pretty depressing that doesn't really correlate with booing players taking the knee

If all these woke players from across the world refused to play, FIFA would have 2 choices. Play one with substandard players or change the venue.

The players have a fantastic opportunity to make the most radical gesture in sporting history. To make a gesture that could well ostracise certain nations and stop them from hosting events and could make a real difference. Of course it takes courage and real belief. Far far easier to just make a pointless gesture and then to show your moral superiority by picking a pointless argument with booing half wits.   

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, JustinSFC said:

The bloke I quoted mentioned it.

I didn't even reply to you. 

You just involved yourself talking shit.

Genuinely I apologise. I was scrolling on my phone and I mistakenly thought you were replying to me. Sorry about that. 

[JustinSFC]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Genuinely I apologise. I was scrolling on my phone and I mistakenly thought you were replying to me. Sorry about that. 

I don't expect apologies from anyone on here.

It's a Football forum.

Being bluntly honest, I do agree with certain posters that the whole thing has made it far worse.

It's awkward. And I'm a black guy.

[Nemi]

48 minutes ago, whelk said:

I don’t think there is anything as depressing reading a Saintsweb thread on taking the knee. Can predict    the ones that get a hard on at the booing. Damn those damn Marxists eh

Quite hysterical that apparently a fews  blokes kneeling before a match is going to lead to the downfall of capitalism

[bpsaint]

10 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

The bloke I quoted mentioned it.

I didn't even reply to you. 

You just involved yourself talking shit.

I mentioned it, and who said I’m a bloke, typical assuming sexist privileged male.

That’s a joke btw.

The reason I’m fed up with the whole taking the knee thing is because I believe it’s become an empty gesture now, at first it was quite a powerful thing to see and it really felt like maybe we were on the cusp on seeing some real change. However the phrase BLM whilst intended to be a force for good has been linked to the political party/ideology of BLM that stand for some very dangerous things, and it’s those links that have if anything created a bigger divide then ever.

I genuinely don’t believe the UK to be a racist place, I believe we’re very tolerable of different beliefs and ethnicities, if anything a little too much at times whereby we protect the minorities at the expense of the majority creating divides and tension.  
 

There is a serious issue with black on black crime in this country however, and I’m fed up of reading online - social media etc that it’s all the fault of the white privileged male, that we’re somehow holding them back, causing them to behave in this way. I had the misfortune of seeing the video of that kid getting stabbed by a black guy in Hyde park last week, knifed in the belly as if it was nothing, and somehow there will be a victim mentality to the suspect I’m sure.

Antrimsaint called me a gammon twat because he hasn’t got more than a single brain cell for a reasoned debate, but he is indicative of the problem online now, whereby if you don’t toe the snowflake party line they respond with insults and assume you to be some kind of sexist, racist, EDL pig. I’m none of those things, I will treat my fellow man with the politeness and respect that I would like to be treated with myself, regardless of ethnicity, gender or race. In an ideal world we would all share that view but as we know it’s not an ideal world.

As stated earlier some people need to look inward before blaming others for their actions. Im fed up of hearing that because I just happen to be a white male, that I’m by default a racist, and somehow it’s because of me that black teens in London are walking about carrying guns and machetes, and fucking people up as if their own lives don’t matter.

Stop taking the knee, stop creating divides, treat each other with respect, and actually clamp down on real racists and maybe we’ll get somewhere.

[Pedantic Pete]

2 hours ago, wadesmith said:

This has to be the worst analogy in the history of the human race. So you’re presenting a scenario where there’s a ‘down with Peados group’ ..ok so far so good..then you’ve turned the analogy up a notch by adding a ‘and we’re all waving swastikas’ element. You’re whole analogy is so brutally flawed I don’t even know where to begin..

I don't know, someone earlier compared booing at a football match with standing in a field whilst a battle was going on booing the fallen soldiers..That's gotta be up there with this one?

[bpsaint]

18 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

That'll get him to agree with you for sure. So tolerant, so kind.

I know right, he probably has “be kind” on the bio of his social media account that he uses to anonymously abuse anyone that holds a view different to his.

Voted Remain by the way Antrim, just didn’t cry about it when the democratic vote went the other way. Keep sending me your salty tears though, they taste too good.