Saints at Euro 2020

[Fan The Flames]

It's not a question of caring about England over Southampton but caring that one of our guys gets to fulfill his ambitions.

[Saint Garrett]

Pickford, Walker, Stones, Rice, Mount, Kane are shoe ins to play every game I think (form depending)

Then you have either Shaw or Chilwell at LB, the other CB which until Maguire is fit could be anyone. all the options aren't great

One of Henderson, Phillips or Bellingham to partner Rice, and then 1 of Grealish/Foden, and 1 of Sancho/Sterling/Rashford for a bit of pace

I'd probably go with the following for Croatia game

Pickford; Walker Stones White Shaw; Rice Bellingham; Grealish Mount Rashford; Kane

But tough decision whether he goes Grealish or Foden. Could see Mount being dropped and play both of these, but can't see that atm unless Mount has a poor first game or 2.

Mings is shit, and Coady doesn't play in a 2.

[Saint Garrett]

5 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Not sure why everyone is so bothered, it's great news for us.

We have 4 players at the Euro's - Adams, Armstrong. Let's be honest, they'll be lucky to still be in it after the first 2 weeks.

Vestergaard - isn't a starter for Denmark

Bednarek - starter for Poland.

So, most of our squad is going to get the chance to build their fitness again for next season. That's all I care about really, selfish....maybe, but I don't really care about England in the same way as I do about Southampton.

I think it says to me that it increases the chance of Prowsey wanting to leave. He doesn't really need a rest and he deserves to be there based on what he offers.

[Chapel End]

3 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

It's not a question of caring about England over Southampton but caring that one of our guys gets to fulfill his ambitions.

Definitely this

[CB Fry]

2 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

I think it says to me that it increases the chance of Prowsey wanting to leave. He doesn't really need a rest and he deserves to be there based on what he offers.

If he was going people would be talking about the time he spending with big club players, getting a taste for it and his head being turned and all that bollocks.

If he wants to go/someone offers huge money then he'll go. Being in this squad or not it a completely irrelevant variable.

Let's see if Grealish going means he won't leave Villa.

[S-Clarke]

Just now, CB Fry said:

If he was going people would be talking about the time he spending with big club players, getting a taste for it and his head being turned and all that bollocks.

If he wants to go/someone offers huge money then he'll go. Being in this squad or not it a completely irrelevant variable.

Let's see if Grealish going means he won't leave Villa.

I agree, it doesn't mean anything. It didn't stop Lambert, Shaw and Lallana leaving.

If his head his turned it doesn't matter what his international status is.

Plus, I don't see him as the sort who is going to chase this move.

[John Boy Saint]

Just as an aside, I thought it was noticeable that the Portuguese referee was not buying Jack Grealishs falling over at the merest waft of air from an opposition player being in his vicinity - like what happens in the Premier League every week and the ref leaves the pitch from a Villa game with a pocket full of receipts.  Be funny if the international referees committee have found him out.

[East Kent Saint]

21 minutes ago, John Boy Saint said:

Just as an aside, I thought it was noticeable that the Portuguese referee was not buying Jack Grealishs falling over at the merest waft of air from an opposition player being in his vicinity - like what happens in the Premier League every week and the ref leaves the pitch from a Villa game with a pocket full of receipts.  Be funny if the international referees committee have found him out.

They are used to players falling over and rolling around while screaming so cuts no ice !

[OldNick]

23 minutes ago, John Boy Saint said:

Just as an aside, I thought it was noticeable that the Portuguese referee was not buying Jack Grealishs falling over at the merest waft of air from an opposition player being in his vicinity - like what happens in the Premier League every week and the ref leaves the pitch from a Villa game with a pocket full of receipts.  Be funny if the international referees committee have found him out.

He gave the penalty though

[Pilchards]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

Not sure why everyone is so bothered, it's great news for us.

We have 4 players at the Euro's - Adams, Armstrong. Let's be honest, they'll be lucky to still be in it after the first 2 weeks.

Vestergaard - isn't a starter for Denmark

Bednarek - starter for Poland.

So, most of our squad is going to get the chance to build their fitness again for next season. That's all I care about really, selfish....maybe, but I don't really care about England in the same way as I do about Southampton.

I would of thought that having players in the team would raise the profile and the price.

If Vestergaard or Bednarek had a good tournament we could of got an extra 15m on the price.

[david in sweden]

3 hours ago, egg said:

White plays for Brighton. He hasn't been picked because he plays for a bigger team. 

For all round ability, JWP should have been in the group to start with, and not scrapping for a sub. spot in the 26. 

If there is a better free kick specialist (than JWP) in the 26 squad,  I can't really see who they are?.  

TAA took one free kick in the first friendly game which was in a prefect position for JWP  (had he been playing),

but Trent didn't even manage to clear the wall in front of him, let alone going for a shot goal. 

I'll be counting the free kicks England get in the group stages and see how they manage without either JWP or TAA. 

[david in sweden]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

He gave the penalty though

If Jack G. doesn't win a medal with England, he can try out for the Diving team in the Olympics ....

 

[Saint Keef]

Grealish is undoubtedly a very talented player but I genuinely find his diving an embarrassment (when in an England shirt). I hope when the Euros start there isn't a gentle breeze, or he'll spend all his time on the ground. I'm sure he'd get knocked over by a sudden gust of pollen! If for any reason he pulls out of the squad, get Tom Daley in as a replacement. I wouldn't care if he were to score the winner in a Euros final (fat chance of us being there anyway), in my eyes he would still be a grade one wanker.

If he did move to City, I have a feeling Pep would put a stop to it.

(Just to keep it "on Saints" topic) He was diving 2 years ago when playing Saints at St Mary's and his diving was the main topic of conversation on the concourse at half-time.

I do hope the Euro refs find him out.....and if so, lets see if he stays on his feet more.

[Chapel End]

11 minutes ago, Saint Keef said:

Grealish is undoubtedly a very talented player but I genuinely find his diving an embarrassment (when in an England shirt). I hope when the Euros start there isn't a gentle breeze, or he'll spend all his time on the ground. I'm sure he'd get knocked over by a sudden gust of pollen! If for any reason he pulls out of the squad, get Tom Daley in as a replacement. I wouldn't care if he were to score the winner in a Euros final (fat chance of us being there anyway), in my eyes he would still be a grade one wanker.

If he did move to City, I have a feeling Pep would put a stop to it.

(Just to keep it "on Saints" topic) He was diving 2 years ago when playing Saints at St Mary's and his diving was the main topic of conversation on the concourse at half-time.

I do hope the Euro refs find him out.....and if so, lets see if he stays on his feet more.

Yep, him and that twat Zaha are both cheats 

[SKD]

12 minutes ago, Chapel End said:

Yep, him and that twat Zaha are both cheats 

26 minutes ago, Saint Keef said:

Grealish is undoubtedly a very talented player but I genuinely find his diving an embarrassment (when in an England shirt). I hope when the Euros start there isn't a gentle breeze, or he'll spend all his time on the ground. I'm sure he'd get knocked over by a sudden gust of pollen! If for any reason he pulls out of the squad, get Tom Daley in as a replacement. I wouldn't care if he were to score the winner in a Euros final (fat chance of us being there anyway), in my eyes he would still be a grade one wanker.

If he did move to City, I have a feeling Pep would put a stop to it.

(Just to keep it "on Saints" topic) He was diving 2 years ago when playing Saints at St Mary's and his diving was the main topic of conversation on the concourse at half-time.

I do hope the Euro refs find him out.....and if so, lets see if he stays on his feet more.

The trouble is, how many times have we seen this season where a player has been honest, stayed on their feet and not been given a penalty as a result? I remember it happening twice against us alone (Foden and Bamford). Then there is martial, where it was clearly a dive but the smallest (if any)  contact was given as a penalty. 

PGMOL are simply encouraging players to dive and ‘cheat’. 

Having seen it first hand against us, I don’t blame players for ‘cheating’ if I’m honest. 

[Smirking_Saint]

5 hours ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

As an England fan, this is more frustrating than leaving JWP at home.  JL was the in-form England player of the second half of the season, alongside Kane and offers something a bit different.  Would have been a really useful option.

I like Lingard, he has had a great season, but out of interest who does he replace ?

He doesn't replace Mount/Grealish/Foden for me and although he is in form Rashford/Sterling/Sancho offer pace which is something different

Lingard would have been one of the last of the options for me, as he is unnecessary

[offsidetrap]

As the owner of one more grandparent than Che for me its always been a 50/50 choice.

As the thread says.. Saints at euros... which until there is one in the England squad is what it should be. Recently relocated to Scotland from Hampshire and I'm fully into how Armstong and Adams get on. Following Scotland is kind of like being Saints but on the international stage. Underdog, a bit of siege mentality, an obvious bogey opponent and the ability to accept the inevitable.. every game is a bonus. Even BBC Scotland shows England matches live and the Scotland matches are radio-live only (just like solent if you aren't a multi subscription owner). It's the perfect oppression led national bonding process.

One thing I'm not getting is how the pundits and papers up here are so into Armstrong, who put in a great shift on the Netherlands game but Steve Clarke just doesn't play him enough. Adams needs to learn the words to the Anthem. Tierney and Gilmour are class acts.

Edited 7 June, 2021 by offsidetrap

[le_tiss]

11 minutes ago, offsidetrap said:

As the owner of one more grandparent than Che for me its always been a 50/50 choice.

As the thread says.. Saints at euros... which until there is one in the England squad is what it should be. Recently relocated to Scotland from Hampshire and I'm fully into how Armstong and Adams get on. Following Scotland is kind of like being Saints but on the international stage. Underdog, a bit of siege mentality and an obvious bogey opponent and the ability to accept the inevitable.. every game is a bonus. Even BBC Scotland shows England matches live and the Scotland matches are radio-live only (just like solent if you aren't a multi subscription owner). It's the perfect oppression led national bonding process.

One thing I'm not getting is how the pundits and papers up here are so into Armstrong, who put in a great shift on the Netherlands game but Steve Clarke just doesn't play him enough. Adams needs to learn the words to the Anthem. Tierney and Gilmour are class acts.

 

Would love Gilmour to come to Saints but I think bigger things await

[offsidetrap]

5 minutes ago, le_tiss said:

 

Would love Gilmour to come to Saints but I think bigger things await

To quote Steve Clarke.. "Agent Armstrong" should get on with some recruiting. Maybe a loan ? Gilmour clearly doesnt get enough game time right now.

[Jeremy Corbyn]

1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said:

I like Lingard, he has had a great season, but out of interest who does he replace ?

He doesn't replace Mount/Grealish/Foden for me and although he is in form Rashford/Sterling/Sancho offer pace which is something different

Lingard would have been one of the last of the options for me, as he is unnecessary

[le_tiss]

 

 

 

 

[Smirking_Saint]

39 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

What exactly is your point ?

Sancho is both skilful and pacey, as is Rashford and Sterling

Lingard doesn't have the pace of those three.... all four of who I just mentioned are black...

Your comment is very odd

[Barsiem]

7 hours ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

As an England fan, this is more frustrating than leaving JWP at home.  JL was the in-form England player of the second half of the season, alongside Kane and offers something a bit different.  Would have been a really useful option.

Lingard had a great 8 weeks... but he tailed off quite badly by the end of the season. I really don’t see what he offers England that others don’t personally 

[Saint Troy]

9 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Mings is garbage though.  Shouldn’t even be in the squad.  We have better alternatives in that position.

Totally agree. It’s just the previous shit decisions have forced this one a bit. 

[SKD]

27 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

What exactly is your point ?

Sancho is both skilful and pacey, as is Rashford and Sterling

Lingard doesn't have the pace of those three.... all four of who I just mentioned are black...

Your comment is very odd

Ignore him, just another weird wokeist it seems. The user name certainly checks out. 
 

Absolutely nothing wrong with your comment and your 100% correct. 

[JRM]

2 hours ago, offsidetrap said:

As the owner of one more grandparent than Che for me its always been a 50/50 choice.

As the thread says.. Saints at euros... which until there is one in the England squad is what it should be. Recently relocated to Scotland from Hampshire and I'm fully into how Armstong and Adams get on. Following Scotland is kind of like being Saints but on the international stage. Underdog, a bit of siege mentality, an obvious bogey opponent and the ability to accept the inevitable.. every game is a bonus. Even BBC Scotland shows England matches live and the Scotland matches are radio-live only (just like solent if you aren't a multi subscription owner). It's the perfect oppression led national bonding process.

One thing I'm not getting is how the pundits and papers up here are so into Armstrong, who put in a great shift on the Netherlands game but Steve Clarke just doesn't play him enough. Adams needs to learn the words to the Anthem. Tierney and Gilmour are class acts.

I'll be hoping Scotland do well despite the rivalry, used to love going to England v Scotland games, best atmosphere, will be interesting to see how many tartan army still travel down. 

Adams and Armstrong will both do well I reckon, Che is going to be the main man up front?

[offsidetrap]

1 minute ago, JRM said:

I'll be hoping Scotland do well despite the rivalry, used to love going to England v Scotland games, best atmosphere, will be interesting to see how many tartan army still travel down. 

Adams and Armstrong will both do well I reckon, Che is going to be the main man up front?

Adams got man of the match against a 10 man luxembourg. A dubious honour in the circumstances and he missed a couple later. His partnership with Dykes is developing nicely (Dykes gives you charlie adams flashbacks) and I reckon will get Che a starting place. Plus he's scoring ..  although covid put paid to having both Saints on the pitch together as the isolating players needed a day in the sun and the Lux game was just a training ground excercise after the sending off. More ardent Armstrong watchers will say if he fits better in a 3 man or 5 man midfield.

[Jonnyboy]

3 hours ago, SKD said:

Ignore him, just another weird wokeist it seems. The user name certainly checks out. 
 

Absolutely nothing wrong with your comment and your 100% correct. 

"trained Marxists" 😋

[John Boy Saint]

22 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Mings is garbage though.  Shouldn’t even be in the squad.  We have better alternatives in that position.

.......even Jack Stephens is better alternative.

[JustinSFC]

22 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Mings is garbage though.  Shouldn’t even be in the squad.  We have better alternatives in that position.

Southgate must have been having doubts after that clusterfuck v Romania.

[Totton Saint]

18 hours ago, offsidetrap said:

As the owner of one more grandparent than Che for me its always been a 50/50 choice.

As the thread says.. Saints at euros... which until there is one in the England squad is what it should be. Recently relocated to Scotland from Hampshire and I'm fully into how Armstong and Adams get on. Following Scotland is kind of like being Saints but on the international stage. Underdog, a bit of siege mentality, an obvious bogey opponent and the ability to accept the inevitable.. every game is a bonus. Even BBC Scotland shows England matches live and the Scotland matches are radio-live only (just like solent if you aren't a multi subscription owner). It's the perfect oppression led national bonding process.

One thing I'm not getting is how the pundits and papers up here are so into Armstrong, who put in a great shift on the Netherlands game but Steve Clarke just doesn't play him enough. Adams needs to learn the words to the Anthem. Tierney and Gilmour are class acts.

I relocated to Scotland 3 years ago from Bedford albeit  I spent my youth in Totton.  JWP is potentially  worth a goal as soon as he stepson the pitch. Southgate has made a big mistake.

[Smirking_Saint]

5 hours ago, John Boy Saint said:

.......even Jack Stephens is better alternative.

Steady on

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Totton Saint said:

  JWP is potentially  worth a goal as soon as he stepson the pitch.

Dear god. 

[le_tiss]

On 07/06/2021 at 18:10, offsidetrap said:

To quote Steve Clarke.. "Agent Armstrong" should get on with some recruiting. Maybe a loan ? Gilmour clearly doesnt get enough game time right now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9667219/Billy-Gilmour-seeking-loan-away-Chelsea-summer.html

 

[simo]

I can easily see myself cheering if Armstrong or Adam's score against England. 

[SKD]

3 hours ago, simo said:

I can easily see myself cheering if Armstrong or Adam's score against England. 

Proper odd behaviour that (assuming you’re English)

[Manuel]

I'm the same to be honest.  It's a club-before-country thing.  

[igsey]

Any ex-Saints to keep an eye out for at the Euros? I can think of Lovren (Croatia), Hojbjerg (Denmark), Stekelenburg (Netherlands), and obviously Shaw for England.

I see Pelle is no longer part of the Italy squad though which must bring their overall handsomeness down significantly. Also this is the first time I've noticed Serbia didn't qualify so no Tadic.

[Turkish]

I’m sure as it’s Adams and Armstrongs choice to do it they will continue.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/scotland-will-not-take-the-knee-before-matches-at-euro-2021-instead-opting-to-stand-up-to-racism/ar-AAKSf8U

 

as Croatia have already said they won’t and Czech saying they want to remain politically neutral (odd seeing as how our racism expects have said it isn’t a political stance) looks like England will be the only team in the group doing it 🤣🤣🤣 

Edited 10 June, 2021 by Turkish

[Dimond Geezer]

19 minutes ago, igsey said:

Any ex-Saints to keep an eye out for at the Euros? I can think of Lovren (Croatia), Hojbjerg (Denmark), Stekelenburg (Netherlands), and obviously Shaw for England.

Fonte and Alderweireld are also there, if van Dyke wasn't injured there could've been 6 past and present centreback in my fantasy team 😄.

[East Kent Saint]

43 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I’m sure as it’s Adams and Armstrongs choice to do it they will continue.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/scotland-will-not-take-the-knee-before-matches-at-euro-2021-instead-opting-to-stand-up-to-racism/ar-AAKSf8U

 

as Croatia have already said they won’t and Czech saying they want to remain politically neutral (odd seeing as how our racism expects have said it isn’t a political stance) looks like England will be the only team in the group doing it 🤣🤣🤣 

It's not odd because they are racist in the old east european states , the political angle is their excuse . Remember the hard core hard right survives in the old East Germany !

Do you want even this thread locked ??

Edited 10 June, 2021 by East Kent Saint

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

It's not odd because they are racist in the old east european states , the political angle is their excuse . Remember the hard core hard right survives in the old East Germany !

Do you want even this thread locked ??

Guess the Scottish must be racist as well then. 

[East Kent Saint]

No you cannot deduce that but they could hate the English which could be racist but I would not be offended as that's their problem . Hopefully they will get independance so we can stop paying for their social problems Ha Ha (do give it a rest).

[offsidetrap]

59 minutes ago, igsey said:

I see Pelle is no longer part of the Italy squad though which must bring their overall handsomeness down significantly.

it's a close run thing between pelle hair and armstrong hair for sure...

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, East Kent Saint said:

No you cannot deduce that but they could hate the English which could be racist but I would not be offended as that's their problem . Hopefully they will get independance so we can stop paying for their social problems Ha Ha (do give it a rest).

Well we will see won’t we. If it genuinely is the players choice as part of their stance then those doing it week in week out in the premier league will do it during the championship whilst playing for their countries. 

[Vancouver Saint]

So here it is. Kane gets injured in the first 20 minutes of the first game and is out for the rest of the tournament. Maguire never steps on the pitch. Henderson pulls up lame halfway through the second game. Rashford continues on his downward form as does Sterling. England, short of attacking flair and actual CB's in need of a goal in the third game to stay in the competition...have no striker option and no dead ball specialist (from which what percentage of goals are scored?...gotta be high). Southgate has got it wrong to leave JWP out - and, I believe, Danny Ings too who seems to have been forgotten in the debate.

Scotland to beat England 1-0. Che McAdams.

England to fail to get past the group stage.

[The Kraken]

1 hour ago, Vancouver Saint said:

So here it is. Kane gets injured in the first 20 minutes of the first game and is out for the rest of the tournament. Maguire never steps on the pitch. Henderson pulls up lame halfway through the second game. Rashford continues on his downward form as does Sterling. England, short of attacking flair and actual CB's in need of a goal in the third game to stay in the competition...have no striker option and no dead ball specialist (from which what percentage of goals are scored?...gotta be high). Southgate has got it wrong to leave JWP out - and, I believe, Danny Ings too who seems to have been forgotten in the debate.

Scotland to beat England 1-0. Che McAdams.

England to fail to get past the group stage.

It’s a flawless prediction. Other than that Henderson is doubtful to start, Rashford will do well to start, so will Sterling (arguably England best team has Rice, Grealish and Foden in those positions). A shortage of genuine strikers is an issue, and I think the idea of playing a set piece specialist because he’s good at set pieces is flawed. Foden, Grealish and Trippier are fairly useful,at set pieces too.

But Scotland beating us is a definite potential, even with a full strength team out.

[Smirking_Saint]

18 hours ago, Manuel said:

I'm the same to be honest.  It's a club-before-country thing.  

I mean.... I am club before country, but I still don't want Che or Armstrong scoring against us... it adds nothing to us as a club.

If they do well over the overall tournament than great... but no I don't want Che to knock us out just because he wears the red and white

[Smirking_Saint]

14 hours ago, Vancouver Saint said:

So here it is. Kane gets injured in the first 20 minutes of the first game and is out for the rest of the tournament. Maguire never steps on the pitch. Henderson pulls up lame halfway through the second game. Rashford continues on his downward form as does Sterling. England, short of attacking flair and actual CB's in need of a goal in the third game to stay in the competition...have no striker option and no dead ball specialist (from which what percentage of goals are scored?...gotta be high). Southgate has got it wrong to leave JWP out - and, I believe, Danny Ings too who seems to have been forgotten in the debate.

Scotland to beat England 1-0. Che McAdams.

England to fail to get past the group stage.

Danny didn't do enough this year and we're carrying enough fitness concerns to overlook another in Danny (say what you want but his fitness isn't reliable) so I think the next options would be Watkins or Bamford despite Danny being a better striker than both.

Prowse again I think is a symptom of the issue Southgate has taking too many fitness risks, once Henderson decided he was fit then it put the coffin nail into JWP's chances.

I don't think your prediction is wrong though, Kane is our leading light and if we find ourselves without him I think we're in trouble.

[offsidetrap]

clearly an english dilemma .. the 2006 Christiano Ronaldo "wink" springs to mind.