Saints at Euro 2020

[TWar]

23 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Why is JWP the logical option? His best attribute is his set plays but he isn't going to start games so thats pretty much negated.

Surely Ben White is a better shout? He covers CB, RB and CM and as whoever gets the nod likely won't play a minute anyway why not pick a guy who will be in the squad for the next 5 or 6 tournaments?

Wonder who made the decision to release him at 16?

Because he is a box to box midfielder and with Henderson injured, Phillips maybe injured and worse than Prowsey anyway, and Bellingham being 17, JWP is probably our best choice there.

[Dusic]

7 minutes ago, TWar said:

Because he is a box to box midfielder and with Henderson injured, Phillips maybe injured and worse than Prowsey anyway, and Bellingham being 17, JWP is probably our best choice there.

Henderson is training, Phillips is training (and GS clearly thinks he is better than JWP anyway) and Bellingham is class. Rice will obviously start every game so there is only one midfield starting spot available.

Add in Mount who could play deeper if needed and its unlikely England would need JWP, which is why he didnt get picked initially. An injury to a right back makes no difference to that.

Besides, White can play there too.

I would be happy if JWP gets picked and its well deserved for a great pro and consistent performances at Saints but if he doesn't get picked its not some kind of ludicrous decision and either way its fairly irrelevant as whoever it is will likely not play a single minute.

Edited 3 June, 2021 by Dusic

[Saint Troy]

56 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Why is JWP the logical option? His best attribute is his set plays but he isn't going to start games so thats pretty much negated.

Surely Ben White is a better shout? He covers CB, RB and CM and as whoever gets the nod likely won't play a minute anyway why not pick a guy who will be in the squad for the next 5 or 6 tournaments?

Wonder who made the decision to release him at 16?

Anyone who doesn’t start’s best attribute is negated by not playing - not just JWP surely?! 

[saintwbu]

I think Lingard may get in, but I do think based on logic/areas of weakness in the squad it should be JWP or a striker (Watkins)

Edited 3 June, 2021 by saintwbu

[Saint Garrett]

Despite Lingard having a decent few months, there is little point in taking him given we have Sterling, Rashford, Grealish, Mount, Foden, Sancho and Saka already all competing for 3 spots. 

Given the lack of proper midfielders, and he replaces TAA’s set piece talents, it makes sense for it to be Prowsey. 

Does anyone know when we should find out who is called up to replace him? 

[Wurzel]

9 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Despite Lingard having a decent few months, there is little point in taking him given we have Sterling, Rashford, Grealish, Mount, Foden, Sancho and Saka already all competing for 3 spots. 

Given the lack of proper midfielders, and he replaces TAA’s set piece talents, it makes sense for it to be Prowsey. 

Does anyone know when we should find out who is called up to replace him? 

After the Romania friendly on Sunday

[SaintBobby]

I think he should call up KWP rather than JWP. I'm worried England are now desperately short of right backs.

[CB Fry]

7 hours ago, saintwbu said:

I think Lingard may get in, but I do think based on logic/areas of weakness in the squad it should be JWP or a striker (Watkins)

But if Southgate thought we were weak up front then Watkins would have already been picked. I don't get why anyone thinks an injury to a full back would lead to a striker being called up to replace. Or JWP for that matter. Can't see it.

[Barsiem]

A lot may depend on how fit Henderson & Philips are by the weekend.  If they aren’t recovering well then we need a CM.  Rice has a knock as well apparently.  That said Lingard is better further forward and we have a wealth of talent there so would have to be jwp I would think 

[saintwbu]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

But if Southgate thought we were weak up front then Watkins would have already been picked. I don't get why anyone thinks an injury to a full back would lead to a striker being called up to replace. Or JWP for that matter. Can't see it.

Then what would Lingard being in there be for? I mention Watkins because he’s only picked 2 actual strikers, which seems a bit weird, but as I say i’m basing it on logic/weakness of the squad. Southgate picked 4 right backs, so i’m not sure he operates with the same approach.

[austsaint]

7 hours ago, SaintBobby said:

I think he should call up KWP rather than JWP. I'm worried England are now desperately short of right backs.

Seems like a no brainer to me...replace an injured RB with (arguably) the best performed RB of the season just finished, Kyle Walker-Peters.

[alehouseboys]

5 minutes ago, austsaint said:

Seems like a no brainer to me...replace an injured RB with (arguably) the best performed RB of the season just finished, Kyle Walker-Peters.

Agree. But on the plus side of him being ignored, if he made the Euros and had the opportunity to shine, he'd probably not be a Saints player after next January.

[LeBizzier69]

Hate to say it, but i'll be hoping Armstrong and McAdams do well for Scotland against England. I'm feeling pretty uninspired by the whole tournament at the moment, maybe because the covid protocols make a boozy pub session watching England a bit of a chore.....usually i'd have the nights/afternoons planned out by now.

[alehouseboys]

Can anyone imagine a sweatie turning his back on his country to support the 'Auld Enemy' just because he's a bit miffed with going-ons and they've got a couple of sassenachs playing for their club side?

[LeBizzier69]

1 hour ago, alehouseboys said:

Can anyone imagine a sweatie turning his back on his country to support the 'Auld Enemy' just because he's a bit miffed with going-ons and they've got a couple of sassenachs playing for their club side?

No, I’d be surprised by anyone who turned their back on their country in favour of another. 

[tajjuk]

BBC's McNulty seems to think JWP or Lingaard -

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Southgate may choose to bring in Southampton's James Ward-Prowse, who many felt was unlucky to be left out, or Jesse Lingard, who played on Wednesday night and was involved in the goal.

I mean the odd thing was he picked 4 right backs, so there is no obvious replacement to right back that was never needed anyway.  If he was picked for his extra set pieces then JWP might get the nod. 

I'd presume more it will depend on the fitness of the currently injured or recovering from being injured and any new injuries. 

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

There's a bit of me that thinks Southgate is going to wait until after this weekend's game in case someone else gets injured or it becomes more obvious that one of those already with an injury is unlikely to take part. That way he doesn't have to make a decision between the likeliest choices of JWP and Lingard, he could pick both. Gutless or sensible? Probably both...

Edited 4 June, 2021 by Ivan Katalinic's 'tache

[waylander]

4 minutes ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

There's a bit of me that thinks Southgate is going to wait until after this weekend's game in case someone else gets injured or it becomes more obvious that one of those already with an injury is unlikely to take part. That way he doesn't have to make a decision between the likeliest choices of JWP and Lingard, he could pick both. Gutless or sensible? Probably both...

Both Henderson & Phillips have injury issues so either could turn out to need replacing. TTA is the principal dead-ball taker so JWP would be a more obvious man for this role than Lingard.

[nta786]

tbf with this setback I feel the line between logic and opinion is somewhat blurred.

TAA is injured so, and assuming we can only select from the 6 on standby then:

a) Do we replace somewhat like for like with a right back? Or another defender? In which case, only Ben White or Godfrey would predominantly work (MLG - doesn't matter that JWP has played right back before already)

b) Gareth said something along the lines of selecting the 26 best footballers right? In which case the next best option is Lingard or JWP - who is better is very much subject to debate as ultimately both play different roles (my opinion is JWP is the better player over last 18 months, but Lingard had a far better 2021 so can see why neutrals would vouch for him - recency bias will kick in)

c) Or does Gareth use this time to rebalance the squad? We are light on strikers as we only have 2 recognised strikers - in which case in comes Watkins. Our defensive/centre-mid options are short too with just Rice and both Henderson and Philips who have recently come back from injuries - in which case enter JWP.

I think too many variables at hand so I can understand all sides of the debate, but I think we can rule out going down route A.

Edited 4 June, 2021 by nta786

[Chocolate Box]

Southgate is clueless😩

[Saint Garrett]

7 hours ago, waylander said:

Both Henderson & Phillips have injury issues so either could turn out to need replacing. TTA is the principal dead-ball taker so JWP would be a more obvious man for this role than Lingard.

Think I read that because they were injured before the 26 man squad was named, they can’t be replaced. Only newly injured playersi think

[rooney]

Why on earth would Southgate want to take crocks again.

[Convict Colony]

until i made the mistake of watching the game the other night i forgot how boring England are.

I expect us to crawl through the qualifying then get smashed by the first proper team we play.

[JustinSFC]

2 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

until i made the mistake of watching the game the other night i forgot how boring England are.

I expect us to crawl through the qualifying then get smashed by the first proper team we play.

Obviously I'll support us but all of that is exactly right and that's exactly how it'll play out.

Southgate's track record so far is against piss poor rank average teams and the games we've played against quality opposition we've struggled.

Against those teams in the actual tournament, we're gonna get smacked to death.

But as far as the FA are concerned, Southgate's face fits.

[SNSUN]

If Southgate plays two defensive midfielders or 3 centre backs, especially against so-called lesser teams, then there is no hope for him. But he will.

 

Pickford, Walker, Stones, Mings, Chilwell, Rice, Mount, Foden, Grealish, Sterling, Kane or something similar to that would get other teams shitting their kecks. But I can't see him going so attacking.

 

Usually unless I happen to be in front of the TV anyway, I don't watch England friendlies, but I'm on a stag do tomorrow and I stupidly mentioned there was an England game, so we're going to watch it. Pray GOD for some entertainment, or I'm going to have to get very very drunk. (I will anyway, but that will accelerate the issue.)

[Sarisbury Saint]

11 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

Think I read that because they were injured before the 26 man squad was named, they can’t be replaced. Only newly injured playersi think

That’s right, but what if the player withdrew on his own accord  ? ie: personal reasons.

[The Kraken]

4 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

until i made the mistake of watching the game the other night i forgot how boring England are.

I watched Spain v Portugal last night and it was a really good game. Plenty of chances and entertainment, some really good football on show.

Compared to the England game I thought it was a world away in entertainment value.

[Gru]

38 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I watched Spain v Portugal last night and it was a really good game. Plenty of chances and entertainment, some really good football on show.

Compared to the England game I thought it was a world away in entertainment value.

I think Craig Pawson deserves credit for the way he reffed the game, he allowed the game to flow and made it clear early on that he wasn't going to give cheap

free-kicks.

A decent ref can make a real difference to the entertainment, ask Whitey!

[igsey]

7 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

until i made the mistake of watching the game the other night i forgot how boring England are.

I expect us to crawl through the qualifying then get smashed by the first proper team we play.

In fairness (and I can't believe I'm defending Southgate's England), we were missing all the players from City, United and Chelsea. Presumably they will be involved Sunday and we'll have a more dynamic front three to compliment our seven defenders.

[Saint86]

7 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

until i made the mistake of watching the game the other night i forgot how boring England are.

I expect us to crawl through the qualifying then get smashed by the first proper team we play.

Yup, we're going to play either a 4-5-1 or 5 at the back, and play counter attacking hit and run football.

As with the world cup, this will work vs the poorer sides, but as soon as we come up against a Belgium / France etc they will simply out play us and win. If we aren't going to win the euros (which we won't barring a tactical miracle happening in Southgate's head),we actually need England to do badly enough for GS to get sacked. He cannot be allowed to take England into the world cup his current performances as a manager. We're entering a new golden generation - please don't let us waste it with Southgate.

[LiberalCommunist]

Just heard Gareths comments about the crowds reaction to the taking the knee. He seems a little ill-informed. 

Its a political message, that's all it is, 

[JustinSFC]

That's 2 pre-tournament games Henderson isn't fit for.

He should be nowhere near that squad and Southgate needs to call it now or he looks weak. 

You can't take a player who is nowhere near match fit.

Prowse starts tonight and I hope he gives Southgate a real headache.

[davefizzy14]

Good to see that Prowsey is starting and hopefully Southgate will now pick him

[Chapel End]

38 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

Good to see that Prowsey is starting and hopefully Southgate will now pick him

It is good but he wont get picked unless injuredson pulls out.

Including injured players in the squad is idiotic but typical England. 

The media and the overexcitable fans will get all worked up only to be disappointed again as we predictabley lose to the 1st decent team we play.

This evenings side is pointless as it bears virtually zero resemblance to a team that will take part in the tournament 

Edited 6 June, 2021 by Chapel End

[Barsiem]

19 hours ago, LiberalCommunist said:

Just heard Gareths comments about the crowds reaction to the taking the knee. He seems a little ill-informed. 

Its a political message, that's all it is, 

It’s been politicised by those on both sides of the argument, but that doesn’t change the fact that the gesture is about ending discrimination against black people.  The only people who cannot see that are those who don’t want to see it...

[Barsiem]

49 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

That's 2 pre-tournament games Henderson isn't fit for.

He should be nowhere near that squad and Southgate needs to call it now or he looks weak. 

You can't take a player who is nowhere near match fit.

Prowse starts tonight and I hope he gives Southgate a real headache.

Unless Henderson gets a new injury we’re stuck with him now.  Big gamble from GS though

[Yorkshire Saint]

What might have been tonight for England..

Shaw = x Saint

Mings = x Saint

White = x Saint

JWP = 26th place up for grabs 

[washsaint]

I am biased but JWP looks extremely effective out there.  Far more so than many (including Rashford).

He's played incisive balls, got stuck in and making himself available.

[beatlesaint]

3 minutes ago, washsaint said:

I am biased but JWP looks extremely effective out there.  Far more so than many (including Rashford).

He's played incisive balls, got stuck in and making himself available.

Yes he’s been impressive. I doubt it will make a blind bit of difference however.

[saintwbu]

Think JWP has won every duel so far, and hasn’t misplaced a pass. If this game is influencing anything, it should be him. 

[Saint-Reece]

Che McAdams has scored Scotland’s opener 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 

[St.Jeweller]

McAdams on the score sheet

[wooley7]

On 31/05/2021 at 21:23, The Cat said:

Good that he gets a rest, bad because it's a poor decision based on his club's position rather than his ability. 

He gives the squad far more options than Phillips as a sub because if you are chasing a game and need someone with top level dead ball delivery then Ward Prowse has what you need. He's also proven he can play in a few positions so if there was a random injury crisis he could do a job. 

All true + In this game, next to Phillips, he looks the far better player in the 6 position.

Adams just scored for Scotland!

[Chapel End]

 Sancho is pretty ordinary at best, offering absolutely nothing 

[Vancouver Saint]

Any livestreams for the England game - here in Canada iit's hockey or curling....OMMM

[Sunglasses Ron]

Tidy from JWP, our boy has a great engine on him 👍🏻

[Chapel End]

2 minutes ago, Vancouver Saint said:

Any livestreams for the England game - here in Canada iit's hockey or curling....OMMM

Dont bother its shite, just " who fancies a kick about"

Pointless stuff.

JWP has been good not that it will make any difference 

Edited 6 June, 2021 by Chapel End

[Edmonton Saint]

6 minutes ago, Vancouver Saint said:

Any livestreams for the England game - here in Canada iit's hockey or curling....OMMM

http://p2pstreams.com/england-vs-romania/

[Turkish]

Decent first half from Ward Prowse. A typical hun performance really, worked hard, few good interceptions and tackles, used the ball well and a decent couple of dead ball deliveries. Not spectacular but doing well. 
 

I really don’t get the hype around Phillips and Sancho

[JustinSFC]

Cole & Wright both saying Prowse one of the best on the pitch.