Saints at Euro 2020

[Chapel End]

14 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep. He's decent but not an international central midfielder by a long distance. 

 

 

Perhaps but are Rice and Philips good enough then?

Certainly no better for me

[Baird of the land]

11 minutes ago, egg said:

Walker will play right of a 3. James will give cover at CB and midfield as well as RB. Trippier will cover both sides. The only player picked as just a RB is TAA. 

He's picked 10 defenders for a team that'll play with a 3 plus wing backs, so essentially 5 at the back. 2 players per position, with some offering flexibility and 1 of them giving midfield cover is sensible. 

Agree walker will play likely at centre back. Disagree with rest James shouldn’t be anywhere near anywhere but right back. Trippier isn’t going to cover left back given there are already left backs. Just weak management including TAA. 

 

 

[Hawkswood]

Not sure why people are upset JWP is missing out. Im chuffed hes having a break.

[SNSUN]

18 hours ago, SNSUN said:

Would be a surprise if JWP doesn’t go. I bet we take 3 or even 4 right backs too. Don’t rate Southgate at all. We finally have players to pick from that could be a new ‘golden generation’, but I don’t think Southgate is the man to win trophies.

 

JWP is versatile, has leadership qualities, is reliable, fit, not injury prone and can take a penalty. He’d be a loss to that squad. It looks to be another “building for the future” squad if the likes of Bellingham and Saka are selected.

Well I called it. Underwhelming squad. I'll support them when we play but will be very "meh" if we get knocked out. At least we have other UK countries to follow. Personally I'd be surprised if anyone but France won the competition anyway.

[S-Clarke]

With tournament squads you often pick specialists who play a specific role at some stage, not to necessarily be a set figure in an 11.

JWP gives you dead ball delivery from either side, corners, last min free kicks on the edge of the box - I know who I'd pick to come on for those specific skills and it isn't Kalvin Phillips. I think Southgate has missed a trick, but maybe that's me being biased.

I know there is talk of a lack of call ups may prompt them to leave the club etc, but we lost Lallana, Lambert, Shaw on the back of them being selected for the 2014 World Cup. The crux is that players will want to leave us if a bigger club comes calling, whether they get called up for England or not.

But from our point of view it's good news as our lot can all get a well needed summer holiday.

 

[Saint Garrett]

Think Southgate has had a shocker. Why do we need 4 right backs?

Why have we not taken more depth in CM? Phillips is bang average, and currently injured, and Henderson hasn’t played for most of the season. I’m not saying JWP should be starting, but I’d prefer him over Phillips and who knows whether Henderson will be match fit, Bellingham is a huge talent, but not sure we should be relying on him. Given JWP is a bit different to those 3, certainly seems odd not taking him.

I really hope we don’t go for 5 at the back with Rice and Phillips sitting in front of them with a front 3 of Rashford Sterling and Kane

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Think Southgate has had a shocker. Why do we need 4 right backs?

Why have we not taken more depth in CM? Phillips is bang average, and currently injured, and Henderson hasn’t played for most of the season. I’m not saying JWP should be starting, but I’d prefer him over Phillips and who knows whether Henderson will be match fit, Bellingham is a huge talent, but not sure we should be relying on him. Given JWP is a bit different to those 3, certainly seems odd not taking him.

I really hope we don’t go for 5 at the back with Rice and Phillips sitting in front of them with a front 3 of Rashford Sterling and Kane

Lots of reading into the full backs, but there are a couple in there who can play either side, there are a couple who can play CB as well.

The choice was between Kalvin and JWP in my opinion.

[Saint Garrett]

Just now, S-Clarke said:

Lots of reading into the full backs, but there are a couple in there who can play either side, there are a couple who can play CB as well.

The choice was between Kalvin and JWP in my opinion.

Why would we play a RB at LB when we have 3 left backs in the squad? 
 

Why play a RB at RM or CM when we have better players in those positions available? 
 

Whole thing is very odd to me 

[Minsk]

57 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fuck me. Some of the replies on here are unbelievable. He’s clearly not at the required level, had a poor end to the season, but again it’s a conspiracy against Saints. As for people not supporting England because of it, what are they, 10 years old? 
 

Danny Ings is our only player that deserves to be anywhere near the England squad. 

 

You have always had a hatred of JWP for some reason. No surprise to see you here giving it large about him not being included. As with your mate SKD, you are always very good at repeating your opinion as fact (over and over again as if the simple act of you repeating yourself gives your own opinion more substance) but rarely ever back that up with anything of any substance.

Go rewatch the first half of our home match against Leeds. There was a reason Phillips was taken off at half-time. The reason was that JWP simply outplayed him. JWP is superior to KP in every aspect. 

Taking 4 right-backs is absolutely mental. IMHO, the only reason Southgate has done that is because of all the flack he received in the press when he last omitted TAA from a squad. Yes, TAA is a good RB - but he is 4th choice. JWP offers more to the SQUAD. 

How many times have England lost competitions via penalties? JWP is a good penalty taker. Would have thought Southgate would know all about players taking penalties for England!

All that said, I am English and so will cheer on England. Doesn't mean I don't think Southgate has got this wrong. Hopefully, KP or TAA, or Henderson will aggravate an injury during the upcoming couple of friendlies and JWP will be included. If not, I will look at the bright side of him getting a good rest over the summer so he can come back fresh ready to captain us for every minute if the next campaign. 

[BotleySaint]

Squad mostly ok but i am surprised he didn't bring JWP to provide more depth in the middle with so many players yet to prove their fitness.

[igsey]

I suppose with Maguire out injured (though weirdly still in the squad) we're preparing for the 3-4-3 (or 7-2-1 more accurately) set up, which makes sense on paper. But that relies on our front 3 being absolutely on top of their games. Kane's had a great season but Rashford and Sterling have been awful, and Grealish is coming back from injury and hasn't played in months. They will have their work cut out; and heaven forbid Kane gets injured.

[egg]

1 hour ago, Chapel End said:

Perhaps but are Rice and Philips good enough then?

Certainly no better for me

Rice, yes for me but Philips I'm not convinced about. 

[Jimmy_D]

6 minutes ago, igsey said:

I suppose with Maguire out injured (though weirdly still in the squad) we're preparing for the 3-4-3 (or 7-2-1 more accurately) set up, which makes sense on paper. But that relies on our front 3 being absolutely on top of their games. Kane's had a great season but Rashford and Sterling have been awful, and Grealish is coming back from injury and hasn't played in months. They will have their work cut out; and heaven forbid Kane gets injured.

To be fair our chances are massively reduced regardless of the rest of the squad/tactics if Kane gets injured.

[trousers]

45 minutes ago, Minsk said:

You have always had a hatred of JWP for some reason. No surprise to see you here giving it large about him not being included. As with your mate SKD, you are always very good at repeating your opinion as fact (over and over again as if the simple act of you repeating yourself gives your own opinion more substance) but rarely ever back that up with anything of any substance.

I personally think we should be thankful that we have an intellectually superior poster such as Lord D pointing out how shite JWP is 17 times a day. Without such a valuable contribution to the forum there's every chance we might forget just how woeful JWP is and for that I'm extremely grateful. Keep it up Lord D. Promise you'll never ever stop reminding us how bad JWP is. 

[ErwinK1961]

1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said:

Think Southgate has had a shocker. Why do we need 4 right backs?

Why have we not taken more depth in CM? Phillips is bang average, and currently injured, and Henderson hasn’t played for most of the season. I’m not saying JWP should be starting, but I’d prefer him over Phillips and who knows whether Henderson will be match fit, Bellingham is a huge talent, but not sure we should be relying on him. Given JWP is a bit different to those 3, certainly seems odd not taking him.

I really hope we don’t go for 5 at the back with Rice and Phillips sitting in front of them with a front 3 of Rashford Sterling and Kane

Sums up my thoughts pretty much. Strange squad, unbalanced.

[HarvSFC]

JWP's league season numbers: 8 goals and 7 assists in 38 appearances.

Those listed as midfielders in the England squad:

Mount: 6 goals and 6 assists in 36 appearances

Henderson: 1 goal and 1 assist in 21 appearances (9 as a CB)

Bellingham: 1 goal and 3 assists in 29 appearances

Phillips: 1 goal and 2 assists in 29 appearances

Rice: 2 goals and 1 assist in 32 appearances

JWP outperformed all in goals and assists quite considerably over the season, barring Mount.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Yep. He's decent but not an international central midfielder by a long distance. 

 

 

Correct .

Although the biased chumps on here will call that “hatred “. 
 

There’s a reason he’s still at the club and it’s not that we won’t sell or he’s not interested in a move.

Anyway, I don’t see what the issue is. The ones that think he should  be going,  must realise the rest will help Saints. And those of us who want England to do well,  will be happy we won’t be watching him mince around passing sideways and backwards. Win, win. 

[trousers]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Correct .

Although the biased chumps on here will call that “hatred “. 
 

There’s a reason he’s still at the club and it’s not that we won’t sell or he’s not interested in a move.

Anyway, I don’t see what the issue is. The ones that think he should  be going,  must realise the rest will help Saints. And those of us who want England to do well,  will be happy we won’t be watching him mince around passing sideways and backwards. Win, win. 

Steady on Lord D.... Mention it any more than 17 times a day and I might start to get too aroused. 

Edited 1 June, 2021 by trousers

[CB Fry]

We will not win or fail to win the Euros as a result of JWP being chosen or not but still a shame to not have a SFC player in the squad.

Would have ben nice to have that set piece option coming off the bench as we fail to beat Turkey in our disappointing second round exit.

[S-Clarke]

18 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

JWP's league season numbers: 8 goals and 7 assists in 38 appearances.

Those listed as midfielders in the England squad:

Mount: 6 goals and 6 assists in 36 appearances

Henderson: 1 goal and 1 assist in 21 appearances (9 as a CB)

Bellingham: 1 goal and 3 assists in 29 appearances

Phillips: 1 goal and 2 assists in 29 appearances

Rice: 2 goals and 1 assist in 32 appearances

JWP outperformed all in goals and assists quite considerably over the season, barring Mount.

I wouldn't compare him with Mount tbh, different type of player. Certainly worth comparing like for like with Phillips though, that's the one which irks me. I'm not sure why he's as highly rated as he is.

[Saint Billy]

Most of the pundits did not include JWP either so it's not a surprise. 

You can't fault JWP for his hard working ethics and his dead ball ability, and before anyone comes out with the childish response that I just don't like him, I do like him as a player for saints but I just don't rate him as highly as some on here do and international quality he is not in my opinion. 

[obelisk]

To be honest I couldn't give a toss about England. I was actually cheering Iceland on back in 2016.

[SaintSteve]

4 minutes ago, Saint Billy said:

Most of the pundits did not include JWP either so it's not a surprise. 

You can't fault JWP for his hard working ethics and his dead ball ability, and before anyone comes out with the childish response that I just don't like him, I do like him as a player for saints but I just don't rate him as highly as some on here do and international quality he is not in my opinion. 

Agreed. JWP is a very good club player but not International class. As for Phillips, he’s a level above and can spray long passes as well as shore up the midfield.. just look at Leeds with and without him, the difference is stark.

It’s Ings who should be going as he’s one of only a few who are natural goal scorers, unlike Calvert- Lewin or Rashford.

[OttawaSaint]

Schrodinger's JWP

He's either

Shit and minces around sideways and backwards

or

A key Saints player that badly needs a rest

 

You don't know which one until he steps on the pitch

[tajjuk]

31 minutes ago, SaintSteve said:

As for Phillips, he’s a level above

Is he? I don't see it, don't get fascination with Rice either, both of them look average to me. I mean if Phillips is supposedly good, how come no one picked him up for all those years in the Championship? 

But in terms of consistent form, distance covered, goals and assists, minutes played JWP basically matches them in all areas if not beats them in both, but also they are basically both the same player, they are sitting mids, JWP isn't, he plays in a two and is more like a number 6/number 8 linking play, so the only real player like him in the England squad is Henderson who has injury issues. 

Also 4 right backs.  Only 4 centre-mids, one of which has been injured for ages. 

Like someone above said the TAA thing is the hysteria of him being left out, on performances and defensive ability he shouldn't be in there. Southgate was right the first time, but he's bowed to the Liverpool biased media having a hissy fit. 

Overall even leaving aside he left out Ings and JWP, it's not a very good squad IMO.  Only two out and out strikers, and I am not really sure what role Calvert-Lewin offers because he's hardly clinical so not someone you'd think really want if you really needed a goal and he's not going to start ahead of Kane, an odd lack of depth in centre-mid and 7 full backs basically. 

He had a squad of 26 so easily could have had 2 proper players for every position, the 3rd keeper and then 3 people that offer something different. 

[igsey]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

I wouldn't compare him with Mount tbh, different type of player. Certainly worth comparing like for like with Phillips though, that's the one which irks me. I'm not sure why he's as highly rated as he is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect#Role_of_attractiveness

[Matthew Le God]

I'm not saying he should be first choice or even starting, but to not be in the squad at all is daft.

Edited 1 June, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[Vancouver Saint]

Agreed MLG. Think Southgate is a tosser and took the route of least resistance against a 'What no TAA?' press onslaught. Worse is not having Ings. I will be supporting Scotland with Che McAdams scoring the winner in the final...against England if that's possible. 

No Saints rose-coloured glasses here!

[SaintBobby]

I'm not so agitated JWP misses out. Gutted for him, obviously and it must have been a marginal call.

Am more worried we are taking, what is it?, just 5 midfielders to go along with 4 right-backs.

[qwertyell]

5 hours ago, SaintBobby said:

 

Am more worried we are taking, what is it?, just 5 midfielders...

How many do we need? I think the squad suggests Southgate is committing to 3-4-3, in which case there's only a need for two central midfielders. Five in the squad, therefore, is plenty of cover.

He'll use one of his right backs as a right centre back in a three.

If everyone's fit, the line up for the first match will be something like:

Pickford; Walker, Stones, Maguire; James, Rice, Henderson, Chillwell; Rashford/Sterling/Foden, Kane, Mount.

Pretty negative, but that's Southgate in a nutshell.

[skintsaint]

[LiberalCommunist]

Gareth is going to be well and truly found out in a few days time. The bravery from his first few months have totally disappeared. 

[NotAJockey]

I fell in love with Southgate and his waistcoat just like everyone else in the last world cup, but looking back on it, the only reason we got to the semis is the draw opened up for us. We only won games that we were expected to win, and when we came up against class opposition we weren't good enough. I predict we'll go out in the second round this time.

[Chapel End]

2 hours ago, skintsaint said:

🤣

[TWar]

9 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

I'm not saying he should be first choice or even starting, but to not be in the squad at all is daft.

I do agree with this general point, but this is an archetypal example of bad statistics. They have normalised by minutes on one single case, the case where JWP would win (goals per match). The rest of these its very obvious that if you normalised by minutes played JWP would be very much not top and that's why they have chosen not to do so. Basically every single one JWP won aside from "goals per match" could be replaced by "Minutes" as that is the full reason for the disparity. Shooting success holds up too, but most are a bit silly.

Annoyingly if you did normalise them you'd see JWP is still top 2 or 3 in basically all categories and tops 1 or 2  which still makes the argument perfectly well but they didn't normalise by minutes to make the difference as stark as possible, thereby bypassing accuracy.

Edited 2 June, 2021 by TWar

[SKD]

9 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

I'm not saying he should be first choice or even starting, but to not be in the squad at all is daft.

To be honest I disagree. I think free kicks aside, Prowse doesn’t offer anything more than the others and probably isn’t as good. Form dropped off (as it did for all our squad) from December. 

Rice & Phillips will be the 2 holding players, JWP isn’t defensively strong enough (as shown when Romeu was out and we were torn apart) to play there. These 2 are better options. 

Henderson is a great leader and a born winner. Always going to go, even if he hardly plays in the group stages. 

Mount is clearly a much better (and different player) than JWP. 

It was likely a shoot out between prowse and Bellingham is just a better player. Played at a higher level and looked very good in the Champions league. Probably taken with an eye on the World Cup next year. 

4 RB’s is excessive (although I suspect Walker / James will play at CB in a 3), so you could argue dropping one of those for another midfielder for Tripper or Trent, but I think even if he did Lingaard would have been picked ahead of JWP. 

[TWar]

Just now, SKD said:

To be honest I disagree. I think free kicks aside, Prowse doesn’t offer anything more than the others and probably isn’t as good. Form dropped off (as it did for all our squad) from December. 

Rice & Phillips will be the 2 holding players, JWP isn’t defensively strong enough (as shown when Romeu was out and we were torn apart) to play there. These 2 are better options. 

Henderson is a great leader and a born winner. Always going to go, even if he hardly plays in the group stages. 

Mount is clearly a much better (and different player) than JWP. 

It was likely a shoot out between prowse and Bellingham is just a better player. Played at a higher level and looked very good in the Champions league. Probably taken with an eye on the World Cup next year. 

4 RB’s is excessive (although I suspect Walker / James will play at CB in a 3), so you could argue dropping one of those for another midfielder for Tripper or Trent, but I think even if he did Lingaard would have been picked ahead of JWP. 

JWP is much better defensively and offensively than Phillips IMO. Slightly worse defensively than Rice but much much better at passing and linking play. I think some of our fanbase aggressively underrate what JWP does outside of setpieces.

[Chapel End]

1 hour ago, TWar said:

JWP is much better defensively and offensively than Phillips IMO. Slightly worse defensively than Rice but much much better at passing and linking play. I think some of our fanbase aggressively underrate what JWP does outside of setpieces.

Yep, if they don't like him all objectivity goes out the window.

[SKD]

1 hour ago, TWar said:

JWP is much better defensively and offensively than Phillips IMO. Slightly worse defensively than Rice but much much better at passing and linking play. I think some of our fanbase aggressively underrate what JWP does outside of setpieces.

I doubt you’ll find many, if any, non saints fans who say JWP is a better holding midfielder than Phillips. 
 

I don’t think he’s underrated. He’s just an average middle of the road premier league CM. At some point, you’ve got to ask if it’s everyone underrating or you overrating. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, SKD said:

I doubt you’ll find many, if any, non saints fans who say JWP is a better holding midfielder than Phillips. 
 

I don’t think he’s underrated. He’s just an average middle of the road premier league CM. At some point, you’ve got to ask if it’s everyone underrating or you overrating. 

What is it with these people, how old are they? It’s like the play ground “you don’t like him”, pathetic.
 

You’re right. It’s why most pundits had him missing out and I doubt many neutrals give a shiny shite that he’s not in the squad. The only people bothered are the ones who are biased because he plays for Saints. If Rice played for us and Prowse for West Ham, they’d say the exact opposite. Loyalty to your club is one thing, but complete and utter bias is something you should be getting over before adulthood. 

[SKD]

3 hours ago, TWar said:

JWP is much better defensively and offensively than Phillips IMO. Slightly worse defensively than Rice but much much better at passing and linking play. I think some of our fanbase aggressively underrate what JWP does outside of setpieces.

Just looking at the stats again (I know your a stats man) in a bit more detail, I’m struggling to see how you’ve come to this conclusion. Phillips has played 1,000 less minutes (c.11 games) less than JWP, if Phillips had the same game time, his defensive stats (tackles, clearances, headers etc.) would exceed that of JWP.  

JWP is better offensively though, that is for sure, however he’s competing against Henderson, Mount and Bellingham for that position. All of which are better than him. 

Personally, I just don’t see a time in which JWP gets in the team. Against the stronger teams, Rice is a shoe in all day long. 
 

I think the player most unlucky to miss out is probably Lingard. He’s someone who has the most potential (of those left out) to impact and change a game we’re chasing. 

[SuperSAINT]

Che Adams to miss the Scotland friendly tonight alongside 5 teammates.  COVID precaution.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/che-adams-and-david-marshall-among-six-scotland-players-to-miss-netherlands-friendly-amid-covid-19-precautions-3258554

[Sarnia Cherie]

7 minutes ago, SKD said:

Just looking at the stats again (I know your a stats man) in a bit more detail, I’m struggling to see how you’ve come to this conclusion. Phillips has played 1,000 less minutes (c.11 games) less than JWP, if Phillips had the same game time, his defensive stats (tackles, clearances, headers etc.) would exceed that of JWP.  

JWP is better offensively though, that is for sure, however he’s competing against Henderson, Mount and Bellingham for that position. All of which are better than him. 

Personally, I just don’t see a time in which JWP gets in the team. Against the stronger teams, Rice is a shoe in all day long. 
 

I think the player most unlucky to miss out is probably Lingard. He’s someone who has the most potential (of those left out) to impact and change a game we’re chasing. 

Lingard has missed out for the in-form goal machine, Marcus Rashford. 🤪

[SKD]

9 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What is it with these people, how old are they? It’s like the play ground “you don’t like him”, pathetic.
 

You’re right. It’s why most pundits had him missing out and I doubt many neutrals give a shiny shite that he’s not in the squad. The only people bothered are the ones who are biased because he plays for Saints. If Rice played for us and Prowse for West Ham, they’d say the exact opposite. Loyalty to your club is one thing, but complete and utter bias is something you should be getting over before adulthood. 

That’s just that weirdo Always_sfc on a new account. I tend to ignore whatever nonsense he comes out with. 

[Mosin]

26 minutes ago, SKD said:

Just looking at the stats again (I know your a stats man) in a bit more detail, I’m struggling to see how you’ve come to this conclusion. Phillips has played 1,000 less minutes (c.11 games) less than JWP, if Phillips had the same game time, his defensive stats (tackles, clearances, headers etc.) would exceed that of JWP.  

JWP is better offensively though, that is for sure, however he’s competing against Henderson, Mount and Bellingham for that position. All of which are better than him. 

Personally, I just don’t see a time in which JWP gets in the team. Against the stronger teams, Rice is a shoe in all day long. 
 

I think the player most unlucky to miss out is probably Lingard. He’s someone who has the most potential (of those left out) to impact and change a game we’re chasing. 

And jwp didnt play as a dm until OR got injured, before hand he was box to box, and when we played leeds when we had a fully fit squad, jwp took phillips out of the game and was subbed off at half time, Phillips is not better than jwp. We just threw the game away in the last 20 min like normal. 

 

[Totton Saint]

20 hours ago, BotleySaint said:

Squad mostly ok but i am surprised he didn't bring JWP to provide more depth in the middle with so many players yet to prove their fitness.

JWP must be sick that he has been axed when unfit Henderson has been left in. Especially as he was tantalisingly in the provisional squad only to have that snatch away from him.  

[Totton Saint]

6 hours ago, TWar said:

JWP is much better defensively and offensively than Phillips IMO. Slightly worse defensively than Rice but much much better at passing and linking play. I think some of our fanbase aggressively underrate what JWP does outside of setpieces.

I agree. How have people got such short memories?. When JWP played left back against Crystal Palace he snuffed  Saha out.

[Chapel End]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What is it with these people, how old are they? It’s like the play ground “you don’t like him”, pathetic.
 

You’re right. It’s why most pundits had him missing out and I doubt many neutrals give a shiny shite that he’s not in the squad. The only people bothered are the ones who are biased because he plays for Saints. If Rice played for us and Prowse for West Ham, they’d say the exact opposite. Loyalty to your club is one thing, but complete and utter bias is something you should be getting over before adulthood. 

The only one on here showing bias regarding Ward Prowse is you and the proof is all over the forum for all to see.

The rest of us have an opinion based on his ability compared to Phillips and because it doesn't agree with your weird hate filled view of him you don't like it.

[LiberalCommunist]

It is absolutely zero skin off my teeth that James has been snubbed by GS. If all our euro2020 hopes were pinned on JWP then you would have to ask yourself just how far #England as a international force have fallen. But. Gareth's obsession with the big six's out of form players is utterly bewildering. One legged Henderson will be given till midnight to prove his worth. Raheem is just waiting for the all clear from Twitter before his form returns. And Markus is just handing out the last 150,000 meals to the helpless kids before he ties his laces. Fuck me. I'd take the posh, double-barrowed kid who hasn't missed a game for two years. Who is pretty good at banging the ball into the danger area, and may well have the chance of salvaging some fluke result from a deadball situation when your tactics are totally shite. If nothing else the kid will be better at any media intervention than any of the other mongs in that bloated RB heavy shit show of a squad!!!! Same old England..................

[Saint Billy]

2 hours ago, Chapel End said:

The only one on here showing bias regarding Ward Prowse is you and the proof is all over the forum for all to see.

The rest of us have an opinion based on his ability compared to Phillips and because it doesn't agree with your weird hate filled view of him you don't like it.

Jesus, you must be Always. Even if you are not your just as irratating. 

No one's got a biase against JWP, some of us are realistic enough, and without any biase because he is a saints player, to form an opinion that he is not International class, that's all. Some people!!.