Dusic Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 I know I am kind of stating the obvious but we have two who aren't ideal plus a third out on loan who isn't the answer either. Of the three I personally prefer McCarthy as he is better on crosses and more agile than Forster but Ralph has dropped him two or three times since he has been here so he obviously isn't totally convinced, and he does seem to make a lot of errors, like tonight. Ludicrous to have Forster as our highest paid player and a likely sub, and he will be leaving anyway once his contract ends next season so is not a long term option. We know he will make some good reaction saves and then be beaten but shots he should save low down and despite his size be woefully shy on crosses. I am not expecting us to sign a first team keeper because we will do well to get rid of one of the three permanently (Gunn most likely) but ideally we would because none of those we have are really good enough all round. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 Bin McCarthy and Gunn. Harry Lewis is too short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 Forster has been better than McCarthy throughout his entire career and this season. Ridiculous policy to rotate them. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 None of our goal keepers are good enough. It's a shambles that as a club we've got ourselves into a situation with 3 goal keepers who cost us nearly £26m between them, earn upwards of £100k+ between them and they are all pretty much the same - average as hell. Capable of decent stuff, but equally capable of howlers. We probably don't have the funds to get better because there aren't any clubs out there willing to provide us an return on investment on any of ours at the moment. Sad state of affairs really. Still carrying the left overs from the Reed and Wilson era. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 Forster is our best keeper and undisputed number one. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 1 minute ago, davefizzy14 said: Forster is our best keeper and undisputed number one. Which sums up the dreadful predicament we're in then. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 Just now, Badger said: Which sums up the dreadful predicament we're in then. Why’s that? I think Forster has done well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 Think Mccarthy is the marginally better of the two. They are both serviceable which is hardly great praise but when we've got a lot worse Gunn still hanging around we've got to suck that up for another season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 17 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: None of our goal keepers are good enough. It's a shambles that as a club we've got ourselves into a situation with 3 goal keepers who cost us nearly £26m between them, earn upwards of £100k+ between them and they are all pretty much the same - average as hell. Capable of decent stuff, but equally capable of howlers. We probably don't have the funds to get better because there aren't any clubs out there willing to provide us an return on investment on any of ours at the moment. Sad state of affairs really. Still carrying the left overs from the Reed and Wilson era. Think you can almost double those wages.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 Just now, ErwinK1961 said: Think you can almost double those wages.. Yeah I was probably being kind, either way it's a shit position to be in. Cheers Les. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 1 minute ago, S-Clarke said: Yeah I was probably being kind, either way it's a shit position to be in. Cheers Les. Agreed. Hopefully the links to that Lazio GK are true, would at least show were looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 If it was easy I'd sell all 3 and get a couple of new ones in. But it won't be that easy and I don't think they want to. I presume by the switching around of keepers RH is unsure which to keep/sell out of AMc and FF...which in itself is worrting except that its probably budget led. Of the two I prefer FF. We need a really strong player here to build from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 38 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: Harry Lewis is too short. He is 6 foot 3. He is hardly small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 36 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: None of our goal keepers are good enough. It's a shambles that as a club we've got ourselves into a situation with 3 goal keepers who cost us nearly £26m between them, earn upwards of £100k+ between them and they are all pretty much the same - average as hell. Capable of decent stuff, but equally capable of howlers. We probably don't have the funds to get better because there aren't any clubs out there willing to provide us an return on investment on any of ours at the moment. Sad state of affairs really. Still carrying the left overs from the Reed and Wilson era. It'll be double that. Those 3 will be costing us £200k PW, or £10m a year in other words. Although the Forster contract extension was mental, the purchase of Gunn was really silly with the others on the payroll. I can't see who'd buy any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 GK/CB starters 20-21 | 65* GA Forster/McCarthy - Vestergaard / Stephens / Bednarek 19-20 | 60 GA McCarthy - Vestergaard / Stephens / Bednarek 18-19 | 65 GA McCarthy - Vestergaard / Yoshida / Stephens / Bednarek 17-18 | 56 GA Forster/McCarthy - Hoedt / Stephens / Yoshida 16-17 | 48 GA Forster - VVD (1/2) / Fonte (1/2) /Stephens / Yoshida 15-16 | 41 GA Forster/Stekelenburg - Fonte / VVD 14-15 | 33 GA Forster - Fonte / Alderweireld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 Saints are a below average PL team. They have the 'keepers we should expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 20 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: He is 6 foot 3. He is hardly small. He isn't 6'3 in a fit. I've seen him and McCarthy side by side in a warm-up and McCarthy towers him. Btw.. Wikipedia has Harrison Reed as 5'11. No chance that's right either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapel End Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 Just now, obelisk said: Saints are a below average PL team. They have the 'keepers we should expect. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 1 minute ago, SaintTex said: GK/CB starters 20-21 | 65* GA Forster/McCarthy - Vestergaard / Stephens / Bednarek 19-20 | 60 GA McCarthy - Vestergaard / Stephens / Bednarek 18-19 | 65 GA McCarthy - Vestergaard / Yoshida / Stephens / Bednarek 17-18 | 56 GA Forster/McCarthy - Hoedt / Stephens / Yoshida 16-17 | 48 GA Forster - VVD (1/2) / Fonte (1/2) /Stephens / Yoshida 15-16 | 41 GA Forster/Stekelenburg - Fonte / VVD 14-15 | 33 GA Forster - Fonte / Alderweireld All that really shows is that with better defenders in front of Forster, he had less exposure to shots/less opportunity to make mistakes. As the quality of CB's in front of him reduced over the seasons, so did the shots on goal and thus his weaknesses became more apparent as he was tested more frequently. McCarthy has never really been in front of a decent defence and he has always been in teams conceding alarming amounts of goals. Generally though, neither are good enough if we are serious about doing anything in this league. As backup, yes, but neither should be a starter if we have top 10 ambitions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 2 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: He isn't 6'3 in a fit. I've seen him and McCarthy side by side in a warm-up and McCarthy towers him. Btw.. Wikipedia has Harrison Reed as 5'11. No chance that's right either. I'm not using Wikipedia, the club website says he is 191cm tall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 They are all terrible. Get 15m for them all and get someone else 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 (edited) Yep 3 largely average keepers in truth. However, there are other more pressing areas that we need depth in so will have to stay put. Over a season amazing goalkeepers can win you many a points but I can't remember the last time our keeper had say man of the match for example. I like the look of Areola although I acknowledge there is always a danger of keepers at relegated clubs who are made to look better because of the number of shots they face. I think Martinez at Aston Villa is quality and they got a good purchase there. Therefore, conclusion is whilst we have 'em, we need to use two of them. Start Forster and bench McCarthy - see if we can get anything for Gunn. My final comment to make is whilst our transfer policy is to buy young so we can sell for a profit in the future, we really should shed that for CBs and GKs - I'm talking the likes of Krul are decent/experienced, or in terms of centrebacks Jonny Evans and Dawson at WHU have been tidy transfers. Edited 18 May, 2021 by nta786 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 They are both amazingly average, with Gunn just adding to that. If we could we should shift all three we should. McCarthy just lacks any sort of conviction in what he does, so indecisive. Forster not much better, but he does have a presence about him. I'd keep Forster until his contract runs out, and try to get someone else in, whilst trying to move on McCarthy and Gunn. Woodman for Swansea looked decent in their game yesterday, seems like Newcastle have a couple of keepers they might look to move one, with Darlow too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 13 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: All that really shows is that with better defenders in front of Forster, he had less exposure to shots/less opportunity to make mistakes. As the quality of CB's in front of him reduced over the seasons, so did the shots on goal and thus his weaknesses became more apparent as he was tested more frequently. McCarthy has never really been in front of a decent defence and he has always been in teams conceding alarming amounts of goals. Generally though, neither are good enough if we are serious about doing anything in this league. As backup, yes, but neither should be a starter if we have top 10 ambitions. well I think one this is pretty clear - the Vestergaard/Bednarek/Stephens thing isn't working. giving up 60 or more every season for the last 3 seasons. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 21 minutes ago, obelisk said: Saints are a below average PL team. They have the 'keepers we should expect. We’re below average because of our keepers. Not entirely but it’s part of the problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 26 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: They are all terrible. Get 1.5m for them all and get someone else I'd take that. Just getting all 3 wages off the books is a win. 9 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: We’re below average because of our keepers. Not entirely but it’s part of the problem. This. 16 minutes ago, nta786 said: Yep 3 largely average keepers in truth. However, there are other more pressing areas that we need depth in so will have to stay put. Not many. We have got to get the goalkeeping situation sorted out once and for all, and the fact that we are rotating them shows that Ralph doesn't really rate any of them. The fact that all of them have been here longer than Ralph is absurd, hopefully the fact that Forster and McCarthy are entering the final year of their contracts means we will finally be able to do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 There are so many good goalkeepers playing in Italy and Spain if we scout europe properly. Unfortunately we seem to leave our goalkeeping scouting to Dave Watson who has managed to bring in the current crop 🤦🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said: Why’s that? I think Forster has done well. Better of the two more recently perhaps but not convinced that I'd want to rely on him over a season. This is based on his time with us overall rather than the last few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 2 minutes ago, stevy777_x said: There are so many good goalkeepers playing in Italy and Spain if we scout europe properly. Unfortunately we seem to leave our goalkeeping scouting to Dave Watson who has managed to bring in the current crop 🤦🏻♂️ Thought he'd moved on to spreading his wisdom to the outfield players, which in itself might be a part of the wider problem. Didn't we bring another GK coach to take on that role, Sparks ? Agree that we should be trawling Spain, Italy and Germany for a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 It's shocking that we have such poor quality keepers. You go back through the last 30/40 years and we've had some fantastic keepers, the three that we have are the poorest I can remember. Even Paul Jones wasn't as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 Forster is by far and away the best keeper we have and has looked good since being back in the 1st team. Rotation is ridiculous when you have one keeper so significantly better than the other. Don't just blame the keepers - we have a bang average squad. Walcott, Djneppo, Redmond, Minamino, Stephens, Bednarek and others would struggle to get in another Prem side. We have very little quality throughout the squad and will, rightly, be tagged as relegation candidates next season without a massive overhaul. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 Just now, Lee On Solent Saint said: It's shocking that we have such poor quality keepers. You go back through the last 30/40 years and we've had some fantastic keepers, the three that we have are the poorest I can remember. Even Paul Jones wasn't as bad. Who ousted Maik Taylor, who again would be an improvement on the current batch. Mind you, Dave Beasant had his critics in his early days with us and was considered a bit of a liability at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 May, 2021 Share Posted 18 May, 2021 Just now, washsaint said: Forster is by far and away the best keeper we have and has looked good since being back in the 1st team. Rotation is ridiculous when you have one keeper so significantly better than the other. Don't just blame the keepers - we have a bang average squad. Walcott, Djneppo, Redmond, Minamino, Stephens, Bednarek and others would struggle to get in another Prem side. We have very little quality throughout the squad and will, rightly, be tagged as relegation candidates next season without a massive overhaul. Not looking to defend the GK's we have but you have to admit the defence in front of them is fragile, and without defensive MF it's all a bit timid and feeble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 19 May, 2021 Share Posted 19 May, 2021 Statistically speaking two of the biggest underperformers of expected saves are Forster and Mccarthy. They are way below our level, even if you consider us a 13th-17th side. They are both relegation quality and need to be shipped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 19 May, 2021 Share Posted 19 May, 2021 Who could have predicted our policy of signing Palace, City and Newcastle's (before he went to Scotland's semi-retirement league) third choice keepers would result in a collection of shite? I read we're now being linked with Lazio's reserve keeper... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedandysaint Posted 19 May, 2021 Share Posted 19 May, 2021 Fraser forster keep and use as a first give him game time and see if hes still able to be as good as he was. Gunn cup keeper/backup until we get a new keeper in and move him to a cup keeper and then if its not working with forster then give them the top spot. Mccarthy, see if we can get a mil for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 May, 2021 Share Posted 19 May, 2021 3 hours ago, qwertyell said: Who could have predicted our policy of signing Palace, City and Newcastle's (before he went to Scotland's semi-retirement league) third choice keepers would result in a collection of shite? I read we're now being linked with Lazio's reserve keeper... Forester was clearly signed as number 1 & McCarthy would be a decent 2. The problem was Forester was fucking horrendous after a while, and his replacement (Gunn) was rubbish as well. I don’t blame McCarthy, he’s a decent back up for a club like ours. Forester/Gunn are the ones who haven’t lived up to the expectations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 19 May, 2021 Share Posted 19 May, 2021 (edited) Forster is the best goalkeeper we have and he keeps a lot of clean sheets. But, I'd get rid of McCarthy and Gunn (easier said than done) and get David Raya in from Brentford to be our long-term No 1. Edited 19 May, 2021 by Nordic Saint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 19 May, 2021 Share Posted 19 May, 2021 20 hours ago, Badger said: Not looking to defend the GK's we have but you have to admit the defence in front of them is fragile, and without defensive MF it's all a bit timid and feeble. True. But also, our No1 couldn't get anywhere near Crystal Palace's matchday squad the entire time he was there. We blatantly got blagged into Gunn and he was at Manchester City so he 'Must be good' and that's exactly what the sales pitch probably was too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 19 May, 2021 Share Posted 19 May, 2021 38 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: True. But also, our No1 couldn't get anywhere near Crystal Palace's matchday squad the entire time he was there. We blatantly got blagged into Gunn and he was at Manchester City so he 'Must be good' and that's exactly what the sales pitch probably was too. For Manchester City, read Bayern, Lazio( tall Dutch CB, must be good, we've just sold one of those) etc. Les fell for it like a good 'un didn't he ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 19 May, 2021 Share Posted 19 May, 2021 7 hours ago, Thedandysaint said: Fraser forster keep and use as a first give him game time and see if hes still able to be as good as he was. Anyone else spot an obvious flaw in this theory ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 19 May, 2021 Share Posted 19 May, 2021 2 hours ago, JustinSFC said: True. But also, our No1 couldn't get anywhere near Crystal Palace's matchday squad the entire time he was there. We blatantly got blagged into Gunn and he was at Manchester City so he 'Must be good' and that's exactly what the sales pitch probably was too. Gunn was highly rated, England U21 GK who’d had a very good season at Norwich before he joined. It was a strange move at the time, without selling either Fraser or McCarthy, but don’t think you can say we bought Gunn on a whim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 19 May, 2021 Share Posted 19 May, 2021 19 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said: Gunn was highly rated, England U21 GK who’d had a very good season at Norwich before he joined. It was a strange move at the time, without selling either Fraser or McCarthy, but don’t think you can say we bought Gunn on a whim. In all seriousness, wasn't the main narrative at that time that Dave Watson was the main driving force behind Gunn joining? I'm sure there several pieces in The Echo with words to that effect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 19 May, 2021 Share Posted 19 May, 2021 McCarthy for me is superior to Forster. However he seems to have lost his way after contracting coronavirus. Hard to say whether that's the cause of his poor form or not, might just be coincidence. Hopefully though he will be back to his best soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 19 May, 2021 Share Posted 19 May, 2021 6 minutes ago, Super_Uwe said: McCarthy for me is superior to Forster. However he seems to have lost his way after contracting coronavirus. Hard to say whether that's the cause of his poor form or not, might just be coincidence. Hopefully though he will be back to his best soon. Not at the moment he isn’t. What was he doing for their goals? Or rather, what was he not doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 19 May, 2021 Share Posted 19 May, 2021 Flog all three and get in one decent one ( don't know who ) and that young Accrington keeper. Failing that try some traffic cones as an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 19 May, 2021 Share Posted 19 May, 2021 52 minutes ago, hackedoff said: Flog all three and get in one decent one ( don't know who ) and that young Accrington keeper. Failing that try some traffic cones as an upgrade. Juan Musso of Udinese Alex Remiro of Real Sociedad Timo Horn of Koln Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 May, 2021 Share Posted 20 May, 2021 With a new goalkeeper reportedly on the list of transfer targets for Southampton, the Saints are said to be monitoring Lazio and Albania goalkeeper Thomas Strakosha, 26, as a potential signing. (La Repubblica, via Sport Witness) I do think this is a priority along with a LB Of course if Ings leaves he would need replacing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 20 May, 2021 Share Posted 20 May, 2021 (edited) One thing is for sure, we won't be buying another GK while we still have 2 first team GKs on our books*. Who is going to take FF or AM? * Assuming Gunn goes back to Stoke Edited 20 May, 2021 by skintsaint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted 20 May, 2021 Share Posted 20 May, 2021 On 18/05/2021 at 20:55, obelisk said: Saints are a below average PL team. They have the 'keepers we should expect. WBA got relegated yet have a far superior keeper in Sam Johnstone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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