Our form

[Toussaint]

16 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

They are both the same after 38 games.

My point was, maybe not very well made, its Russian Roulette, and I'd be shocked if we got away with it again. I don't by this "whole season" argument that's being made, we are on a terminal downward trajectory.

[Wurzel]

26 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

They are both the same after 38 games.

They may bring in the same points total but they are not the same thing at all.  Taking it to simplified extremes :-

A)Winning your first 19 games losing the next 19 games,

B)winning all your homes whilst losing all aways, and

C) losing your first 19 then winning the last 19 would all give a highly respectable 57 points. 

I'd consider B = a half decent season,  succesful but clearly something was going wrong away from home, with a bit of tweaking the away results could be improved on next season whilst maintaining home form

C= Half a decent season as the disastrous first half can be written off as whatever was going wrong has been put right (and I always maintain a team that finishes a season strongly carries that on into the next season *)

A= Neither. Can't consider the first half as decent if all that went well druring that period has been lost/forgotten/changed/nullified by opposition without any suitable tactical response. And unfortunately * the opposite also applies.

[JRM]

2 hours ago, John B said:

Realistically we just cannot compete with the large city clubs which have large budgets  but we have been in the PL for 22 seasons which is more than other clubs of a similar size which is quite an achievement being 11th

 

Southampton      22
Manchester        24        
West Ham United      25    
Aston Villa      26    
Newcastle United  26    
Arsenal          29    
Chelsea          29    
Everton          29    
Liverpool      29    
Manchester United 29    
Tottenham Hotspur 29    

 

We also were in the First Division for twenty years or so

In the top flight

1966-1974

1978-2005

2012-2022 (at least) 

For the modern era in most fans lifetimes it's unusual not to see Saints as a top flight club, not many teams can compare to that record. 

 

[simo]

At 150/1 It's worth a couple of quid on us getting relegated imo

[Billy the Kidd]

3 hours ago, JRM said:

In the top flight

1966-1974

1978-2005

2012-2022 (at least) 

For the modern era in most fans lifetimes it's unusual not to see Saints as a top flight club, not many teams can compare to that record. 

 

So, in 55 years of top flight football, we have been dining at the upper table for about 45 years.

Not bad for shit team, with no ambition!