Mr X Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 The guy has talent probably more than most in our team but for me ala lemina & obafemi he doesn't work hard enough to show that talent & wouldn't be worth the high wages he would no doubt demand.... Liverpool probably owe us a cheap player seeing as though they have half our team....... Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 He's not done enough in my opinion. We're obviously strapped for cash and could probably find someone else who would have a more positive effect on the team for less. Would imagine his wages are reasonably high too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 A bit ‘Japanese Juanmi’ if you ask me. Definitely a player in there but I’m not sure he’s suited to the tempo of this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 (edited) Not done anywhere near enough for me, wouldn't spend anything on him. Even in the games he's scored, he's sort of been on the edge of the game. As above, I don't think he's suited to this league. He's clearly technically gifted but you need more than just that. I imagine Liverpool will sell him to Sevilla. Edited 2 May, 2021 by S-Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 Think he's one of those players who might excel if he had others around him to do the donkey work for him. We don't have enough quality and especially muscle to carry him, although I think he could be a good squad player, which with our limited resources we probably don't want, and probably can't afford the luxury of him and Walcott. At £5m possibly worth it, but if Liverpool are holding out for £10m that they think they can recoup from an exchange with a Spanish club then doubtful. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 (edited) rid - brought in as a last min stopgap. Shown nothing really apart from a couple of early goals which seem ages ago now tbh. Edited 2 May, 2021 by skintsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 Hard to judge really. We've only used him as a stop gap, as did Liverpool. Had we signed him permanently he might have played more regularly and/or in a more suited role. But from what I have seen of him while he's been here I'd say there's likely to be better suited options out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 24 minutes ago, Badger said: Think he's one of those players who might excel if he had others around him to do the donkey work for him I was thinking about formations the other day and how 4-2-3-1 was always robust if not spectacular. Perhaps a front 6 something like this might suit Minamino, if (hypothetically) we were to sign him. Romeu - JWP Tella - Minamino - Armstrong Adams Ignoring any other potential recruitment and who might replace Ings etc. I don’t think that team would be on the wrong end of so many spankings as with the 4-2-2-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 2 lovely goals. A definite player there, but overall, he’s not done enough. The big caveat with him is his lack of match sharpness when he arrived and our form being terrible. Certainly cannot of been easy for him. Wouldnt surprise me to see a different player in on loan next season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 As if we have the choice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 He's not better than Tella, Walcott, Armstrong or any other player we have. He's not good though for Liverpool either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 Get rid, not done enough for me. Goes missing in games a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 Liverpool will look to sell for a profit even though he’s done not enough to earn that for them. Think we’ll be priced out even if we did want to keep him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 Definitely get rid. Can finish, can't do much else. Needs to go back to european leagues as he's completely unsuited to prem imo. Seems Liverpool had a go at Saints and suddenly Minamino played against leicester and was awful. Hopefully we don't continue to cave to their demands that he plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 It's not easy coming in for one game in ten. And yes, he's not a DM or a winger, so needs to play up top in a 4-2-2-2. But agree with above - a 4-2-3-1 formation with him central is best for him, if only we played that. Overall, I'm undecided. If Ralph is going to continue to use him so rarely, then no point in taking him. But if he can offer him a regular place, and the price is under £10M, then I would take him, yes. Depending on who else is being looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 Get rid - not done enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 28 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: Seems Liverpool had a go at Saints and suddenly Minamino played against leicester and was awful. Hopefully we don't continue to cave to their demands that he plays. Is that true? We're not here for their benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 4 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: Is that true? We're not here for their benefit. https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-takumi-minamino-southampton-talks-20498116 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 3 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-takumi-minamino-southampton-talks-20498116 That can get fucked. It's not our fault they bought a player not good enough for this League. We shouldn't be playing him just because it suits Liverpool, the guy isn't any better than anyone we already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 Get rid, talented player, not done anything to convince me he's suited to this league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 (edited) As it stands it has to be get rid, as he has done very little aside from two well taken goals. However I've been wanting to see what he can do up front, as his best attribute seems to be his finishing and is also quite pacey. With Ings' injuries and the lack of forward options I'm a bit surprised Ralph hasn't tried it. He just doesn't seem suited to the deeper no.10 role in our system. I'd partner him with Che for the last few games and see how he gets on, he can't be much worse than Redmond surely? Edited 2 May, 2021 by LuckyNumber7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neef Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 It depends on what/who we can afford in the summer. He's probably the best wideman after Armstrong - (Tella has great potential so, I'd like to see more next season). I also acknowledge that he's come into a team on a horrendous run of form, which must've have been difficult to integrate into. Also feel like it's been difficult to get him on board tactically with the lack of team/tactical coaching it seems Ralph has been able to actively do this season. I'd rather Taki over Theo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangelyBrown Posted 2 May, 2021 Share Posted 2 May, 2021 Not suited to the way we play at all. Get rid. Could do a job for a different team in the premier League IMO just needs less positional and defensive responsibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 3 May, 2021 Author Share Posted 3 May, 2021 17 hours ago, Neef said: It depends on what/who we can afford in the summer. He's probably the best wideman after Armstrong - (Tella has great potential so, I'd like to see more next season). I also acknowledge that he's come into a team on a horrendous run of form, which must've have been difficult to integrate into. Also feel like it's been difficult to get him on board tactically with the lack of team/tactical coaching it seems Ralph has been able to actively do this season. I'd rather Taki over Theo. I think he would probably score more than Theo over a full season and age is on his side... Theo is only worth it as a squad player on cheap wages ie less than half what he was on at Everton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 3 May, 2021 Share Posted 3 May, 2021 Agreed - rather have Taki than Theo. I'd have him if the price was right - seems to have a good attitude and there is a player in there. We're shit so not like we're going to do much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 3 May, 2021 Share Posted 3 May, 2021 I like him and he's not had the run he needs to get up to speed. I'd like to see him in the role Redmond has been playing up front but dropping off and linking up with the midfield. I think he'll offer more than Redmond does there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 3 May, 2021 Share Posted 3 May, 2021 We do play a very similar formation to the 4231. The 4222 is basically the same but with the 10 pushed up higher next to the striker. Either way, I don't rate Che as a loan centerforward, if anything he wants the 10 role. Taki as a 10 behind ings could work but imo Che and Redmond both offer more. As for Taki himself. I don't rate him. Hes shit against the ball, really sloppy, and goes completely anonymous when we need him. Good finisher so probably could go to a worse league like Italy and tear it up but he is not at all good enough for me. Spend the money on Danjuma if bournemouth don't come up as he is quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 3 May, 2021 Share Posted 3 May, 2021 Keep, hasn’t had a proper run, was bought into the side at the lowest ebb. I’d choose him over Walcott, if that was the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 3 May, 2021 Share Posted 3 May, 2021 More expensive Walcott. Don't want to keep either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted 3 May, 2021 Share Posted 3 May, 2021 Do we even have the option to keep him? AFAIK there is no option to buy clause in his loan contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 May, 2021 Share Posted 3 May, 2021 He’s rubbish. Get rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 4 May, 2021 Share Posted 4 May, 2021 Not lived up to early promise. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 4 May, 2021 Share Posted 4 May, 2021 (edited) I understood he was here on loan only and not for sale. Liverpool's style of play differs so markedly from ours that training him to fit to our system doesn't help Liverpool or us. At times the lad looks like a fish out of water so it is unlikely he would choose to stay here even if such a conversation takes place. Edited 4 May, 2021 by Charlie Wayman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 5 May, 2021 Share Posted 5 May, 2021 He's not bad, but I'm not much of a fan either. If he was a cheap option from a Championship team and aged 19-20, I might be tempted. But he ain't. It's also not obviously a position we need to stengthen in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 5 May, 2021 Share Posted 5 May, 2021 7 hours ago, SaintBobby said: He's not bad, but I'm not much of a fan either. If he was a cheap option from a Championship team and aged 19-20, I might be tempted. But he ain't. It's also not obviously a position we need to stengthen in. Are there any good cheap championship players that are aged 19-20? 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 5 May, 2021 Share Posted 5 May, 2021 10 hours ago, SaintBobby said: It's also not obviously a position we need to stengthen in. Attacking midfield? Not sure I agree with that. I think we have quantity but not enough quality in those areas. Armstrong is obvious decent, but Redmond is inconsistent, Djenepo made of glass, Tella largely untested/unproven and Walcott, Minamino and Elyounoussi on loan with uncertain futures. I’m not sure Minamino is necessarily the answer to that (although he must have shown quality for Liverpool to sign him) but I would be looking for a better AM to be brought in, if we can find one. However I’m aware we will be on a strict budget, and money would be more importantly spent on full back areas and in attack, so I guess we will be stuck with what we have or more loans, which concerns me. I can potentially see Walcott and Elyounoussi here next season for a start, which could mean a looooong season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 May, 2021 Share Posted 5 May, 2021 I presume that he cannot play on Saturday so that only leaves four games for him to feature. Maybe he was brought here with a view to taking a good look at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 May, 2021 Share Posted 5 May, 2021 It is difficult to see why we would be interested in taking him (its not actually our choice of course). Apart from the 2 goals (well taken) soon after he arrived he has done literally nothing. He just isn't suited to the PL as Liverpool had previously discovered. Ralph had seemingly decided the same, it was a bit of a mystery why he was played against Leicester but in that game he demonstrated clearly that he is not good enough, it was like we were playing with 9 men, I was puzzled why Ralph didn't replace him with Walcott who has shown good defensive work while he has been back with us. Clearly he is a skilful footballer, but not suited in any way to Premier League, and suspect he would struggle in any top level league, but may get away with it in La Liga. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 5 May, 2021 Share Posted 5 May, 2021 Twist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 5 May, 2021 Share Posted 5 May, 2021 Really dont think this league is maybe for him, I dont see him tackling, using body strength to win balls etc and whilst he would add quality we dont have the cash to splurge on a luxury player at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 5 May, 2021 Share Posted 5 May, 2021 Mag to grid...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singapore Saint Posted 5 May, 2021 Share Posted 5 May, 2021 Keep. It's Ralph who needs getting rid of for not bringing the best out of Minamino. (This is a serious comment.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singapore Saint Posted 5 May, 2021 Share Posted 5 May, 2021 On 03/05/2021 at 15:58, egg said: I like him and he's not had the run he needs to get up to speed. I'd like to see him in the role Redmond has been playing up front but dropping off and linking up with the midfield. I think he'll offer more than Redmond does there. Post of the day for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 May, 2021 Share Posted 5 May, 2021 2 minutes ago, Singapore Saint said: Keep. It's Ralph who needs getting rid of for not bringing the best out of Minamino. (This is a serious comment.) So Liverpool need to get rid of Klopp for not getting the best out of him as well? He's so not suited to this league, it's plainly obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 5 May, 2021 Share Posted 5 May, 2021 Not sure he’s any better or offers anything different than Redmond and Redmond is hot and cold at the best of times. I don’t think Taki is a bad player, it’s just we need something different...more Armstrong than Redmond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 11 May, 2021 Share Posted 11 May, 2021 Nah, you’re ok Liverpool, you keep him. For the price you’d want, just nah. Not for me ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 May, 2021 Share Posted 11 May, 2021 He ran around a bit more today and worked harder but he’s too lightweight for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 11 May, 2021 Share Posted 11 May, 2021 Terrible today. Send him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 11 May, 2021 Share Posted 11 May, 2021 Utter waste of space - just like Theo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemi Posted 11 May, 2021 Share Posted 11 May, 2021 (edited) End product wasn’t there tonight. But he added balance to our line-up today, and in my eyes though individually it didn’t work, he improved the team’s structure and the other players benefited. He hasn’t done enough for us to buy him but we’re desperately need a player in a similar mould. He’s probably not the answer but I’d much rather have him in rest of the season rather than two out-and-out wingers, which just makes us completely toothless. Summary: he’s not great, but we’re a better team with a type of player like him to balance a Redmond or Tella or Djenepo on the other wing. Edited 11 May, 2021 by Nemi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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