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7 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Maybe they should change how they classify heatwaves?

From now on it cannot officially be classed as a heatwave unless Turkish's pal Tony in Ibiza thinks it's f'king hot. :lol:

and now we're at the stage where you're out of your depth so make up a load of shit followed by an emoji. You're so predictable. I would add "it's not rocket science" bit most things are for you

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34 minutes ago, Turkish said:

and now we're at the stage where you're out of your depth so make up a load of shit followed by an emoji. You're so predictable. I would add "it's not rocket science" bit most things are for you

Forget Rocket science, you struggle with any science.

You are the SWF version of GB News, like when they discussed last years heatwave that killed thousands of people, and interview some thick Gammon who just come back from Majorca or somewhere and said "everything was fine".

Here's a site to help you out: https://climatekids.nasa.gov/kids-guide-to-climate-change/

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7 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Forget Rocket science, you struggle with any science.

You are the SWF version of GB News, like when they discussed last years heatwave that killed thousands of people, and interview some thick Gammon who just come back from Majorca or somewhere and said "everything was fine".

Here's a site to help you out: https://climatekids.nasa.gov/kids-guide-to-climate-change/

it's incredible that despite you saying i've made an irrelevant point you've posted 8 times about it and still haven't been able to comprehend the subject.

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31 minutes ago, Turkish said:

it's incredible that despite you saying i've made an irrelevant point you've posted 8 times about it and still haven't been able to comprehend the subject.

29 minutes ago, Turkish said:

a few temperatures rising on here though, very odd reaction

 

Mostly yours. 18 posts on the 'my mate said' line.  

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4 hours ago, Turkish said:

it's incredible that despite you saying i've made an irrelevant point you've posted 8 times about it and still haven't been able to comprehend the subject.

Chris Fawkes explains here how the temperatures can be very localised, you don't even have to read anything so I'm sure even you will understand why 'your mate said' anecdotes are pointless.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-66207430

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It has been quite amusing watching the time an effort a certain poster has put in today to try and play down the effects of the current heatwave in Europe. I guess he has even more time to spend online now that his boss is on holiday!

Anyway, it is good to know that we need not worry about the mortality rate due to the heat as three people he knows out there are fine and dandy. In fact we can add another two people to the list as friends of ours are currently on holiday on the Italian island of Ischia and have posted on FB today so are still alive. Yay!

Not much solace for those 72,000 who died due to the European heatwave in 2003  or those who will perish or become seriously ill this year.

Despite what GB News and the likes of Donald Trump would have us believe, excessive climate heat can have a devastating effect on the human body and it kills more people each year than the cold.

Staggering really to see that some people still play down the effects we (mankind) have had on speeding up climate change over the last couple of hundred years given the amount of evidence that is out there. Not surprising though that it is the same people who also get themselves into a lather about football players taking the knee, LBGT issues, migrants, Muslims, Jeremy Corbyn or indeed anything supported by anyone slightly left of centre. Funny that.

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8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It has been quite amusing watching the time an effort a certain poster has put in today to try and play down the effects of the current heatwave in Europe. I guess he has even more time to spend online now that his boss is on holiday!

Anyway, it is good to know that we need not worry about the mortality rate due to the heat as three people he knows out there are fine and dandy. In fact we can add another two people to the list as friends of ours are currently on holiday on the Italian island of Ishia and have posted on FB today so are still alive. Yay!

Not much solace for those 72,000 who died due to the European heatwave in 2003  or those who will perish or become seriously ill this year.

Despite what GB News and the likes of Donald Trump would have us believe, excessive climate heat can have a devastating effect on the human body and it kills more people each year than the cold.

Staggering really to see that some people still play down the effects we (mankind) have had on speeding up climate change over the last couple of hundred years given the amount of evidence that is out there. Not surprising though that it is the same people who also get themselves into a lather about football players taking the knee, LBGT issues, migrants, Muslims, Jeremy Corbyn or indeed anything supported by anyone slightly left of centre. Funny that.

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It’s been even more amusing watching bellends get themselves at it, no surprises you’ve joined in with your usual tripe about GB news and trump, trying to convince themselves that some people on here are climate change deniers because they mentioned what the temperature is in Ibiza today 🤣🤣🤣

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3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Anyone know when this 'heatwave' is coming our way?

I've just looked at the forecast for my area and rain is predicted every day now until the beginning of August!  I guess the good news is the hosepipe bans should be lifted any day now.

Doesn't look like it will reach us, thankfully. The high pressure system that is causing it is fairly stable and we are experiencing the low pressure that surrounds it, hence the wet, cool and windy conditions.

I know it's a bit rubbish for July, but on balance I think I would rather we had this weather than the extreme heat the rest of Europe is getting. After the hot, dry summer last year and below average rainfall during the winter recharge period, we really needed a wet summer to prevent us from going into drought again (although some areas of the south west are still in drought mode from last year). And although summer rain isn't as effective at recharging aquifers as winter rain, it's at least meaning the irrigation demand from agriculture is massively reduced during this growing season.

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12 hours ago, Scally42 said:

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If you want to complain, contact The New York Times not me 

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2370179/climate-change-deniers-use-past-heat-records-to-sow-doubt-online

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With Europe gripped by successive heatwaves, climate change deniers are spreading scepticism by publishing data on social media on extreme temperatures allegedly recorded decades ago to imply scientists are exaggerating global warming.

But experts say the figures cited from the past are often incorrect or taken out of context — and even if accurate do not change the fact that heatwaves are becoming more frequent and intense.

The posts typically include heat records from almanacs or newspaper reports from the past, arguing that they are similar to the record highs set during this year's heatwaves in Europe.

One post that has gone viral on Facebook includes a screen grab of a brief article published in the New York Times on June 23, 1935, which said the mercury had hit 127 degrees Fahrenheit (52.7 degrees Celsius) in Zaragoza, in northeastern Spain, the day before.

That temperature is much higher than the record for the highest temperature in Spain of 47.6 degrees Celsius recorded on August 14, 2021 by national weather office Aemet at the La Rambla meteorological station in the southern province of Cordoba.

Contacted by AFP Fact Check, Aemet spokesman Ruben del Campo said the highest temperature recorded in Zaragoza that day in 1935 was just 39 degrees Celsius.

"The figure of over 52 degrees in incorrect. It is not a figure that is in our climate database, and in fact, there is no log of a temperature above 50 degrees Celsius," he said.

And "even if the figure was correct, which I stress it is not, that is not proof that climate changes does not exist", he added.

Spanish daily newspaper La Vanguardia in 1935 also reported that temperatures had hit the low 50s in Zaragoza but explained that the measurement was taken "in the sun".

Scientists recommend a series of strict criteria to ensure an accurate temperature reading.

"Sensors must be protected from the sun and the rain, and the temperature inside the weather station must be the same as what it is outside," said Aemet meteorologists Ricardo Torrijo.

Another post that has gone viral on Facebook, Telegram and Twitter since last June shows a front page of Spanish weekly magazine El Espanol from August 1957 with the headline: "The hottest summer of the century".

It referred to a reading of a temperature of 50 degrees Celsius in central Spain, which was also taken in the sun.

Isabel Cacho, a climate expert at the University of Barcelona, said that "in the hypothetical case" that the mercury soared above 50 degrees Celsius, "this would not be an argument to question that it is warmer now".

Climate scientists overwhelmingly agree that carbon emissions from humans burning fossil fuels are heating the planet, raising the risk, length and severity of heatwaves and other extreme weather events.

"These figures of high temperatures (in the past) do not discredit the existence of climate change," said Jose Luis Garcia, a climate change expert at Greenpeace in Spain.

"They are unrelated. One thing is one-off temperature data and another very different thing is the tendency towards an increase in the average temperature."

Pedro Zorrilla, a Spanish expert in climate change, said the "anomaly" of a very high temperature recorded in 1935 would have a "very small effect" on average temperatures.

"It does not change the trend," he added.

Records show heatwaves are occurring with greater frequency in the Iberian Peninsula, said Mariano Barriendos, a geography and history professor at the University of Barcelona.

"It is relatively usual for a hot air mass to enter the peninsula from the Sahara Desert. What is worrying is that heatwaves are happening more often," he said.

 

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15 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

err, lol. How on earth can it be fake.

Very easy to do, getting easier as IT develops, and easier still to convince the gullible to spread it.

Did you read the FactCheck article ?

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3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Very easy to do, getting easier as IT develops, and easier still to convince the gullible to spread it.

Did you read the FactCheck article ?

I'm sure some have been faked but it's not entirely unlikely that the likes of the government's nudge unit would look to change the colours for some weather maps to look to influence behaviour. I've personally got no idea if it is happening though as I don't watch terrestrial telly. 

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48 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Very easy to do, getting easier as IT develops, and easier still to convince the gullible to spread it.

Did you read the FactCheck article ?

The fact check piece mentions that the image has been captioned with "This is how manipulation works", but the poor saps spreading it don't realise it is them that are being manipulated.

Unsurprising really.

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3 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

err, lol. How on earth can it be fake. I have seen it in my lifetime. It is all about fear. Blimey, how on earth can you claim something to be false when it is right there in front of you. There is no hope for you brainwashed folk.

Not sure what your point is. Maps showing temperature only have always tended to use colour whereas traditional forecasts show a map with symbols on for clouds etc. 

If a map is illustrating a heatwave story the media are bound to sometimes emphasise the heat and add graphics etc to add a bit of drama. What exactly are you scared of?

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On 18/07/2023 at 21:03, sadoldgit said:

It has been quite amusing watching the time an effort a certain poster has put in today to try and play down the effects of the current heatwave in Europe. I guess he has even more time to spend online now that his boss is on holiday!

Anyway, it is good to know that we need not worry about the mortality rate due to the heat as three people he knows out there are fine and dandy. In fact we can add another two people to the list as friends of ours are currently on holiday on the Italian island of Ischia and have posted on FB today so are still alive. Yay!

Not much solace for those 72,000 who died due to the European heatwave in 2003  or those who will perish or become seriously ill this year.

Despite what GB News and the likes of Donald Trump would have us believe, excessive climate heat can have a devastating effect on the human body and it kills more people each year than the cold.

Staggering really to see that some people still play down the effects we (mankind) have had on speeding up climate change over the last couple of hundred years given the amount of evidence that is out there. Not surprising though that it is the same people who also get themselves into a lather about football players taking the knee, LBGT issues, migrants, Muslims, Jeremy Corbyn or indeed anything supported by anyone slightly left of centre. Funny that.

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Do you know this person, who seemingly has mental health issues bubbling to the forefront?

 

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32 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I get the point they are trying to make, but it gets diluted with the use of the word 'axes' :mcinnes:

Bjorn Lomburg is Danish so that may explain the spelling mistake, also he is only taking the statistics from a Lancet Journal survey. This video is well worth a watch.

 

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1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I get the point they are trying to make, but it gets diluted with the use of the word 'axes' :mcinnes:

 

58 minutes ago, Scally42 said:

Bjorn Lomburg is Danish so that may explain the spelling mistake

 

There is no mistake. The plural of axis is axes. 

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1 hour ago, Scally42 said:

Bjorn Lomburg is Danish so that may explain the spelling mistake, also he is only taking the statistics from a Lancet Journal survey. This video is well worth a watch.

 

On the face of it, it's an interesting discussion with a few good points made. Lomborg speaks well and does a decent job of sounding convincing to the layman, but he doesn't exactly have a good reputation for reliability in these matters, and frequently contradicts himself when it comes to climate policy proposals.

Just saying "Yay for extra heat because it will save a few lives in winter" is a very myopic way of looking at the situation, and demonstrates a total lack of big picture thinking. Yes, humans may be able to tolerate extra heat more than we can tolerate cold, but what about the rest of the food chain we rely on? Current projections are that maize production could decline by 20% worldwide by 2030, and the extra heat being rapidly absorbed by the oceans is causing a massive disruption to their ecosystems, making them more and more uninhabitable for marine life.

 

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40 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

On the face of it, it's an interesting discussion with a few good points made. Lomborg speaks well and does a decent job of sounding convincing to the layman, but he doesn't exactly have a good reputation for reliability in these matters, and frequently contradicts himself when it comes to climate policy proposals.

Just saying "Yay for extra heat because it will save a few lives in winter" is a very myopic way of looking at the situation, and demonstrates a total lack of big picture thinking. Yes, humans may be able to tolerate extra heat more than we can tolerate cold, but what about the rest of the food chain we rely on? Current projections are that maize production could decline by 20% worldwide by 2030, and the extra heat being rapidly absorbed by the oceans is causing a massive disruption to their ecosystems, making them more and more uninhabitable for marine life.

 

Yet not as bad as an Ice Age.

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2 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

On the face of it, it's an interesting discussion with a few good points made. Lomborg speaks well and does a decent job of sounding convincing to the layman, but he doesn't exactly have a good reputation for reliability in these matters, and frequently contradicts himself when it comes to climate policy proposals.

Just saying "Yay for extra heat because it will save a few lives in winter" is a very myopic way of looking at the situation, and demonstrates a total lack of big picture thinking. Yes, humans may be able to tolerate extra heat more than we can tolerate cold, but what about the rest of the food chain we rely on? Current projections are that maize production could decline by 20% worldwide by 2030, and the extra heat being rapidly absorbed by the oceans is causing a massive disruption to their ecosystems, making them more and more uninhabitable for marine life.

It's all about what may or may not be, we're growing more crops per acre than we ever have and because of better farming methods this productivity will only increase. The world gets hotter and hotter and at the same time our farmers become more and more productive, 20% reduction in 7 years is pure fantasy.

 BC-The-US-Is-Growing-More-Corn Than-It-Can-Handle

 

 

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5 hours ago, Scally42 said:

Lifes not too bad though is it.

lomborg-global-deaths-from-climate-and-non-climate-catastrophes-1920-2018-figure-3a-_900w.png?width=600&height=557.0175438596491

 

The number and scale of climate related disasters is increasing, but we are getting better at planning for, mitigating, and recovering from such events.

https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/weather-related-disasters-increase-over-past-50-years-causing-more-damage-fewer

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I hate to fuel the denial nutters but news were banging on about droughts and now it is pissing down.  Getting all excited about shit weather (hot, cold, dry ,wet, windy) and screaming climate change all the times will lead people to tune out. 
 

 

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8 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I’m guessing that Turkish doesn’t have any mates on holiday in Rhodes at the moment.

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I heard he does, and the friend is currently having BBQ, but the MSM jumped on the bit where the cheap sausages caused a little flare up, as the MSM were being nudged by the illuminati.

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8 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I’m guessing that Turkish doesn’t have any mates on holiday in Rhodes at the moment.

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how would you know? you’ve me on ignore apparently. 

 have I not given you enough attention the last few days so thought you’d post about me to get some.

absolutely full of shit

 

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