Climate Change

[AlexLaw76]

7 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

You can only drive one at a time, so what’s your point? If you live in London and have children, why wouldn’t you support ULEZ?

are you saying that a 2nd range rover comes with no carbon footprint to make and ship to you?

6.3litre cars are also perfectly legal. And you can have as many as you like.

 

Edited 18 July, 2023 by AlexLaw76

[benjii]

Watch out, Hypo has been on the Peterson again.

[Weston Super Saint]

10 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

So the cleaner air in London now makes no difference to children’s health?

Looks like a fantastic place to live, lovely and healthy for the childrenz.

 

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[Sheaf Saint]

10 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

It's not making anything worse because we are insignificant. 

Wrong. We are 17th in the world out of 209 countries for emissions per capita. That's not insignificant. We are also part of the Paris agreement, so it's not like we are standing alone and pissing in the wind while everyone else carries on as normal. We are part of a global effort, which is exactly what is required.

You claim China is "laughing at us", but they have a very ambitious net zero target and their demand for coal is expected to peak within the next 3 years (link). And, although we may find their anti-democratic political system abhorrent, there is a major benefit of having a continuous government in that they are able to make long term investment plans in energy infrastructure etc. and actually see them through without fear of getting booted out of office at an election before they get the chance to complete them. 

10 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

All it's really doing in the short term is hobbling us as a country and bringing down our standard of living.

Again - wrong. There is no evidence that transitioning to net zero will harm our economy. Quite the opposite, in fact. Between 1990 and 2019, our emissions reduced by 43% and in the same period our GDP rose by 75%. 

Every credible study into future impacts (and there have been plenty in recent years) indicates multiple economic gains across all sectors and all regions of the UK, which will significantly outweigh the capital costs of investing in decarbonising technologies, and massively outweigh the additional costs associated with failing to adapt.

[hypochondriac]

 

 

19 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Wrong. We are 17th in the world out of 209 countries for emissions per capita. That's not insignificant. We are also part of the Paris agreement, so it's not like we are standing alone and pissing in the wind while everyone else carries on as normal. We are part of a global effort, which is exactly what is required.

You claim China is "laughing at us", but they have a very ambitious net zero target and their demand for coal is expected to peak within the next 3 years (link). And, although we may find their anti-democratic political system abhorrent, there is a major benefit of having a continuous government in that they are able to make long term investment plans in energy infrastructure etc. and actually see them through without fear of getting booted out of office at an election before they get the chance to complete them. 

Again - wrong. There is no evidence that transitioning to net zero will harm our economy. Quite the opposite, in fact. Between 1990 and 2019, our emissions reduced by 43% and in the same period our GDP rose by 75%. 

Every credible study into future impacts (and there have been plenty in recent years) indicates multiple economic gains across all sectors and all regions of the UK, which will significantly outweigh the capital costs of investing in decarbonising technologies, and massively outweigh the additional costs associated with failing to adapt.

What percentage of global emissions is the UK currently responsible for? 

Should we continue with the banning of petrol and diesel cars for expensive electric vehicles with degrading batteries so less of a second hand market with an electricity infrastructure that doesn't exist? 

Should we be forcing expensive heat pumps into people's homes and ban gas boilers? 

Should we ban trips abroad or give citizens carbon credits? 

The performative climate conferences are just for show. They all swan in in private planes and so called climate ambassadors use helicopters and private cruise ships whilst the poorest are some of the ones hardest hit. 

[spyinthesky]

It is generally promoted that the UK produces between 1% and 1.5% of the world's emissions.

However these figures do not include the emissions produced in country's of origin for the likes of consumer goods, cars etc etc and things like biomass which has to be burned in this country to provide power.

I think any reasonable person would agree that emissions should be monitored and reduced but there needs to be a frank debate on how this will affect our lives as a consequence.

[Sheaf Saint]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

What percentage of global emissions is the UK currently responsible for? 

Currently around 1%, and  historically around 3%. But like I said - we're not acting alone in reducing emissions, so it makes no sense to cite that figure as a reason not to do anything. As part of a concerted global effort to reduce emissions, it is significant. If we just stopped, as you seem to be suggesting, WE would be the international pariahs while everyone else continues.

Should we continue with the banning of petrol and diesel cars for expensive electric vehicles with degrading batteries so less of a second hand market with an electricity infrastructure that doesn't exist? 

Absolutely, yes. Even taking away the effect on GHGs and climate, air pollution from fossil-fuel powered cars is a massive problem in our cities, and leads to a whole range of negative health outcomes. As well as the obvious respiratory issues it can cause, it's also been linked to things like dementia and changes in children's brain development. Improving air quality will improve overall public health, which in turn will improve lost productivity and reduce demand on the NHS, resulting in an economic benefit.

There have been some huge advances in battery technologies in recent times which will be rolled out to the general market in the coming years, and electricity infrastructure will adapt to demand, as these things always do.

Should we be forcing expensive heat pumps into people's homes and ban gas boilers? 

At the moment, heat pumps are prohibitively expensive for most people, granted. But there are other alternatives. Eventually, the world will run out of natural gas anyway, so do we wait for that to happen before switching to a different technology? Or should we not start investing in them now so we are more prepared for when that happens? There are other things we can do to reduce demand in this area as well, like enhanced home insulation

Should we ban trips abroad or give citizens carbon credits? 

Nobody is saying that. Blanket banning trips abroad does not form part of any net zero targets. Achieving net zero doesn't mean eliminating ALL carbon emissions, and civil aviation accounts for around 2.5% of the global total. Again, there are huge strides being made in making aircraft technology greener, and families taking a flight for a holiday in the sun every now and then aren't the problem. It's the people that fly regularly for business that have by far the bigger carbon footprints.

The performative climate conferences are just for show. They all swan in in private planes and so called climate ambassadors use helicopters and private cruise ships whilst the poorest are some of the ones hardest hit. 

Not doubting that poorer nations are the ones disproportionately impacted by the effects of climate change, or that some politicians use COPs as a PR exercise (although Rishi had to be shamed into attending the most recent one). But to say they are just for show is wrong. Numerous global agreements have been made over the years (Kyoto, Paris etc.), which is extremely difficult to achieve between so many parties with different agendas, so they have been effective.

 

Edited 18 July, 2023 by Sheaf Saint

[buctootim]

11 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Because your customers can’t get to you from outside the ULEZ

You know its a charging system not a fence right?  Petrol stations work on a similar 'pay to drive' principle.   

[LuckyNumber7]

No doubt the planet is getting warmer but I'm skeptical how much of that is due to human activity, and even more skeptical that there's anything we can do change it. I'm enjoying our hotter summers anyway.

Nothing wrong in investing in certain green technologies, solar and wind farms etc. But the green agenda is just a tax on poorer people. With all policies there needs to be a balance between the advantages to the environment and the negative effects it has on people's lives and finances.

[Turkish]

I know people currently in Ibiza and Turkey, both saying temperatures are more in the mid 30s than the 40's as being reported, which is interesting. My boss lives in Italy, he's also saying its 36 today.

[buctootim]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I know people currently in Ibiza and Turkey, both saying temperatures are more in the mid 30s than the 40's as being reported, which is interesting. My boss lives in Italy, he's also saying its 36 today.

Not everywhere in Europe is the same temperature. Interesting revalation. 

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I know people currently in Ibiza and Turkey, both saying temperatures are more in the mid 30s than the 40's as being reported, which is interesting. My boss lives in Italy, he's also saying its 36 today.

Bit like last year when it was all headline news that we hit 40 in the UK....

Whilst not really advertising that the recorded temperature was taken from the runway at RAF Conningsby, whilst Typhoon fighter jets were active.

 

[buctootim]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Bit like last year when it was all headline news that we hit 40 in the UK....

Whilst not really advertising that the recorded temperature was taken from the runway at RAF Conningsby, whilst Typhoon fighter jets were active.

 

Odd then that St James' Park in London and Pitsford in Northamptonshire also hit over 40c that day. Maybe the ducks had something to do with it?  

[AlexLaw76]

5 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Odd then that St James' Park in London and Pitsford in Northamptonshire also hit over 40c that day. Maybe the ducks had something to do with it?  

Maybe ...just maybe 

Forgot to add, the MET office did confirm that Heathrow was used as an official temperature registration..40.2 degrees ..

 

Edited 18 July, 2023 by AlexLaw76

[Turkish]

22 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Not everywhere in Europe is the same temperature. Interesting revalation. 

Spain, Italy and Turkey seem too, all of which are around 5-10 degrees lower than they are being reported at. Interesting revelation indeed.

[Fan The Flames]

It's all a conspiracy and the RAF are up to their eyeballs in it.

[whelk]

29 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I know people currently in Ibiza and Turkey, both saying temperatures are more in the mid 30s than the 40's as being reported, which is interesting. My boss lives in Italy, he's also saying its 36 today.

I must admit feel the reporting is a bit hysterical as July/Aug in Med has always been mid 30s. 38 for Seville this time of year doesn’t seem hugely noteworthy. These heatwaves are clearly more frequent though and doubling costs of supermarkets carrier bags isn’t making a difference. 

[AlexLaw76]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Spain, Italy and Turkey seem too, all of which are around 5-10 degrees lower than they are being reported at. Interesting revelation indeed.

Are they taking temperatures from Madrid, Paris and Rome airports?

[Lighthouse]

Climate change is all fake because aerodromes are marginally warmer than their surrounding areas; another fantastic arguments that’s as strong and airtight as an Oceangate Submarine.

[Turkish]

14 minutes ago, whelk said:

I must admit feel the reporting is a bit hysterical as July/Aug in Med has always been mid 30s. 38 for Seville this time of year doesn’t seem hugely noteworthy. These heatwaves are clearly more frequent though and doubling costs of supermarkets carrier bags isn’t making a difference. 

As it always is. Hysterical reporting in the news how the whole of Europe is melting and PEOPLE WILL DIE yet actually speaking to 3 people there at the moment in different countries temperatures all seem to be fairly around what you'd expect in mid July. Im sure i'll get another smart reply which Sog will find hilarious though.

[Turkish]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

Climate change is all fake because aerodromes are marginally warmer than their surrounding areas; another fantastic arguments that’s as strong and airtight as an Oceangate Submarine.

can you point out who has claimed this?

[buctootim]

13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Spain, Italy and Turkey seem too, all of which are around 5-10 degrees lower than they are being reported at. Interesting revelation indeed.

No wonder you got sacked. 

 

[Turkish]

Just now, buctootim said:

No wonder you got sacked. 

 

eh?

[Sheaf Saint]

9 minutes ago, Turkish said:

As it always is. Hysterical reporting in the news how the whole of Europe is melting and PEOPLE WILL DIE yet actually speaking to 3 people there at the moment in different countries temperatures all seem to be fairly around what you'd expect in mid July. Im sure i'll get another smart reply which Sog will find hilarious though.

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/heatwave-pictures-europe-temperatures-today-2485593

 

Pretty sure approaching 45C isn't 'fairly around what you would expect'. I guess they must have taken these recordings at or near an airport though. 

[Lighthouse]

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

can you point out who has claimed this?

Maybe not in so many words but certain people seem to be deliberately ignoring the blindingly obvious in order to argue against every single piece of evidence they’re presented with. A record temperature at Heathrow or Conningsby is still a record temperature, it’s not like there weren’t any planes, tarmac or air con. Vents there ten years ago.

[ecuk268]

37 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Maybe ...just maybe 

Forgot to add, the MET office did confirm that Heathrow was used as an official temperature registration..40.2 degrees ..

 

If you compare the weather data from Heathrow with Kew Gardens there is very little difference.

Kew tends to be warmer in the winter while in the summer they are about the same.

 

 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

Maybe not in so many words but certain people seem to be deliberately ignoring the blindingly obvious in order to argue against every single piece of evidence they’re presented with. A record temperature at Heathrow or Conningsby is still a record temperature, it’s not like there weren’t any planes, tarmac or air con. Vents there ten years ago.

I dont think i've seen anyone "ignoring the blindingly obvious" just someone saying that 3 people they know are currently on holiday in Europe and the temperatures there are around normal and someone else saying that a record temperature was recorded at an Airport. Then a lot of people jumping up and down about it and Timmy bizarrely trying to make out i've been sacked, i presume, from my job, which is incredibly strange. 

Anyway as a lot of these posts have now become about each other im sure you'll be removing them to the correct thread, including your own which makes false claims and issuing yourself with appropriate infractions points if they are still a thing.

[aintforever]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 just someone saying that 3 people they know are currently on holiday in Europe and the temperatures there are around normal  

  What a twat.

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, aintforever said:

  What a twat.

Christ here he is. Go on then aintclever, Please explain.

Edited 18 July, 2023 by Turkish

[aintforever]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Christ here he is. Go on then aintclever, Please explain.

As usual the point you make is just meaningless. Europe is a big place, temperatures vary depending on where you are.

You should stick to threads about woke stuff or chicks with dicks - that's about your level.

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, aintforever said:

As usual the point you make is just meaningless. Europe is a big place, temperatures vary depending on where you are.

You should stick to threads about woke stuff or chicks with dicks - that's about your level.

I’m just pointing out the temperature where people I know are which is relevant as it’s being reported as much higher in our news. I don’t really see why people are getting so angry about it calling me twat and making up lies about me

And If we’re going to post on things that are our level I suggest you join mumsnet 

Edited 18 July, 2023 by Turkish

[aintforever]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yep and if it had been one country you might have a point but it’s 3 and I’m just pointing out the temperature where people I know are which is relevant as it’s being reported as much higher in our news. I don’t really see why people are getting so angry about it. 

And If we’re going to post on things that are our level I suggest you join mumsnet 

There are plenty of weather sites that give you the temperatures around Europe - which one are you looking at?

[Picard]

What's the temperature in England ? Looks below average.

[Lord Duckhunter]

18 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

and do what, exactly?

Tax the poor. That’s the solution, if only the rich could afford to drive, heat their homes & travel abroad we’d cut our carbon footprint substantially. We need a ULEZ type scheme in every major city & town, taxing the planks who haven’t got an electric car. Only allow people to fly who pay to plant a load of trees, or limit the number of  flights the working man can take a year. We also need to get the great unwashed off of their addiction to gas central heating. Fucking peasants need to be forced to buy heat pumps. If we do that we can look India & China in the eye and tell them off. Think how good it’ll make us feel. Fucking poor & unhappy but incredibly virtuous. 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Picard said:

What's the temperature in England ? Looks below average.

And it keeps raining FFS.  It's meant to be summer.

[Turkish]

Just now, aintforever said:

There are plenty of weather sites that give you the temperatures around Europe - which one are you looking at?

I’m talking to real people, you know people there right now in Turkey, Ibiza and Italy. Two are friends on is my boss. I know you have problems reading but I did state this further up the thread. Or Did you do your usual a jump into a thread without understanding what was being discussed?

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Picard said:

What's the temperature in England ? Looks below average.

Oh you’ve done it now, poked the snake the good and great of saintsweb will be accusing you of all sorts now

[Lord Duckhunter]

I got back from Puglia a month ago & the locals were saying the weather had been pretty shite so far this year, 

Edited 18 July, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I got back from Puglia a month ago & the locals were saying the weather had been pretty shite so far this year, 

Fantastic place, did you go to Ostini and Alberrobella? We went in august 2019 it was in the 40s in mid day*

*for the thick cunts on here the above post is not a denial of climate change it’s me saying what the temperature was when i went somewhere once. 

Edited 18 July, 2023 by Turkish

[buctootim]

 

 European Obesity Epidemic  https://apps.who.int/iris/handle/10665/353747 

All kinds of alarmist, clickbait news about record high obresity in Europe. But I know three average weight people so know the truth.    

 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, buctootim said:

You know its a charging system not a fence right?  Petrol stations work on a similar 'pay to drive' principle.   

I know exactly what it is. For anybody outside the zone it is a fine for daring to drive into it. Buying petrol is different altogether as well you know.

[Turkish]

Wow the reaction to me commenting on the temperature where my friends and boss are is incredible 🤣🤣

[aintforever]

13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I’m talking to real people, you know people there right now in Turkey, Ibiza and Italy. Two are friends on is my boss. I know you have problems reading but I did state this further up the thread. Or Did you do your usual a jump into a thread without understanding what was being discussed?

We all read it. It's just irrelevant because temperatures vary all over the place.

 

 

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, aintforever said:

We all read it. It's just irrelevant because temperatures vary all over the place.

 

 

why then did you ask what sites I was looking on? Just admit it you fucked up again

It’s a bit rich you pulling someone else up for a supposedly making an irrelevant point 🤣

Edited 18 July, 2023 by Turkish

[Lord Duckhunter]

14 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Fantastic place, did you go to Ostini and Alberrobella? We went in august 2019 it was in the 40s in mid day*

*for the thick cunts on here the above post is not a denial of climate change it’s me saying what the temperature was when i went somewhere once. 

Gallipoli & Otranto mainly, but travelled about a bit. Fantastic beaches. They told me they’d had a pretty poor summer so far, but I told them they must be talking shit because it had been hot somewhere else. 

[aintforever]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

why then did you ask what sites I was looking on? Just admit it you fucked up again

It’s a bit rich you pulling someone else up for a supposedly making an irrelevant point 🤣

Because you said the temperatures were being reported wrong, just wondered where you were getting your info.

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Because you said the temperatures were being reported wrong, just wondered where you were getting your info.

No I said the temperatures where people I know are is lower than has been reported. Which then led to a couple of posts about hysterical media reporting.

does everything have to spelt out to you in real life or is it just reading you struggle with?

[aintforever]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

No I said the temperatures where people I know are is lower than has been reported. Which then led to a couple of posts about hysterical media reporting.

does everything have to spelt out to you in real life or is it just reading you struggle with?

So that was your point - the Media sometimes sensationalise stuff to sell papers. 

Brilliant contribution as usual. 

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, aintforever said:

So that was your point - the Media sometimes sensationalise stuff to sell papers. 

Brilliant contribution as usual. 

Oh, so are you admitting that the temperatures being reported are incorrect then?

Like i said, you're struggling to understand again aren't you. Bless.

Here's the link to mumsnet, get yourself signed up, you might be able to understand some of the things they talk about Mumsnet | The UK’s most popular website for parents

 

[aintforever]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Oh, so are you admitting that the temperatures being reported are incorrect then?

Like i said, you're struggling to understand again aren't you. Bless.

Here's the link to mumsnet, get yourself signed up, you might be able to understand some of the things they talk about Mumsnet | The UK’s most popular website for parents

 

Maybe they should change how they classify heatwaves?

From now on it cannot officially be classed as a heatwave unless Turkish's pal Tony in Ibiza thinks it's f'king hot.