aintforever Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 12 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Net Zero. Preparing us for a poorer lifestyle. So who is preparing us for a poorer lifestyle and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 6 minutes ago, aintforever said: So who is preparing us for a poorer lifestyle and why? To stop climate change, keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted June 8 Author Share Posted June 8 4 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Then ask yourself why it is released to the media? Im not a climate change sceptic. Of course the climate is changing. It always has and it always will. But you are a sceptic Whitey, because no matter how many times you have the facts about the unprecedented rate of warming in the post-industrial era explained to you, no matter how much scientific literature you are presented with showing that warming is only accounted for when CO2 emissions are factored into the models, you still always dismiss or ignore it and fall back on the old "climate changes naturally anyway" claim that is straight from the denialists' playbook. Perhaps it's time you changed your avatar. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 6 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: To stop climate change, keep up. Yeah, but according to grandad it’s not us that’s changing the climate. Please do keep up old boy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 14 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: But you are a sceptic Whitey, because no matter how many times you have the facts about the unprecedented rate of warming in the post-industrial era explained to you, no matter how much scientific literature you are presented with showing that warming is only accounted for when CO2 emissions are factored into the models, you still always dismiss or ignore it and fall back on the old "climate changes naturally anyway" claim that is straight from the denialists' playbook. Perhaps it's time you changed your avatar. Statistics aren’t real IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 38 minutes ago, aintforever said: Yeah, but according to grandad it’s not us that’s changing the climate. Please do keep up old boy. Why does the change need to be stopped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Why does the change need to be stopped? I thought you didn't like immigrants. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said: But you are a sceptic Whitey, because no matter how many times you have the facts about the unprecedented rate of warming in the post-industrial era explained to you, no matter how much scientific literature you are presented with showing that warming is only accounted for when CO2 emissions are factored into the models, you still always dismiss or ignore it and fall back on the old "climate changes naturally anyway" claim that is straight from the denialists' playbook. Perhaps it's time you changed your avatar. What baffles me is how Whitey and the other fingers in the ears think that showing the climate has always changed is some kind of gotcha - as if one excludes the other. Edited June 8 by buctootim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: Net Zero. Preparing us for a poorer lifestyle. Poorer future or underwater future ? Difficult choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: To stop climate change, keep up. 2 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said: Perhaps it's time you changed your avatar. Katie Hopkins, MLT, Neil Oliver, David Icke or even AlexJones perhaps. He does seem perIlously close to the edge of that rabbit hole. 2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 3 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said: But you are a sceptic Whitey, because no matter how many times you have the facts about the unprecedented rate of warming in the post-industrial era explained to you, no matter how much scientific literature you are presented with showing that warming is only accounted for when CO2 emissions are factored into the models, you still always dismiss or ignore it and fall back on the old "climate changes naturally anyway" claim that is straight from the denialists' playbook. Perhaps it's time you changed your avatar. It’s a religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 3 hours ago, aintforever said: Yeah, but according to grandad it’s not us that’s changing the climate. Please do keep up old boy. Not us alone. We couldn’t come close to doing that by ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 2 hours ago, buctootim said: What baffles me is how Whitey and the other fingers in the ears think that showing the climate has always changed is some kind of gotcha - as if one excludes the other. I have never said that. There are factors much greater than mankind alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 2 hours ago, badgerx16 said: Poorer future or underwater future ? Difficult choice. Or under a mile of ice. Take your choice. We shall never be under water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Challenger Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 Iam in Morocco tonight and it's fucking freezing, not sure if that's any help to anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 12 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Not us alone. We couldn’t come close to doing that by ourselves. This is just boring, you do this every time. Talk in riddles, go round in circles until eventually you admit man is effecting the climate and you don’t have a clue by how much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 8 minutes ago, Challenger said: Iam in Morocco tonight and it's fucking freezing, not sure if that's any help to anyone? I’m in Cancun airport last two weeks it’s been 4 degrees above the average for the time year, humidity making it feel even hotter. Next week it’s cooling down. Make of that what you will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 48 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Or under a mile of ice. Take your choice. We shall never be under water. Doesn't that rather depend on where you live ? If it wasn't for the sea wall we would flood with every 10 metre tide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 1 hour ago, aintforever said: This is just boring, you do this every time. Talk in riddles, go round in circles until eventually you admit man is effecting the climate and you don’t have a clue by how much. Affecting. And nor do you or anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 I'm near Maidstone and my wife is really hot in bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 46 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Doesn't that rather depend on where you live ? If it wasn't for the sea wall we would flood with every 10 metre tide. Of course. But who is this ‘we’ whereof you speak? I rather thought that we were talking about the world in general. More locally, Britain is rebounding from the weight of ice pressing on it during the last ice age. In 12,000 years the sea has risen about 80 metres - sea ‘Isostatic Rebound’. The north is rising 10cm per century and the south sinking about 5cm per century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 3 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: I'm near Maidstone and my wife is really hot in bed. Does that explain your username? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 A genuinely repugnant idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 8 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Of course. But who is this ‘we’ whereof you speak? I rather thought that we were talking about the world in general. More locally, Britain is rebounding from the weight of ice pressing on it during the last ice age. In 12,000 years the sea has risen about 80 metres - sea ‘Isostatic Rebound’. The north is rising 10cm per century and the south sinking about 5cm per century. We - myself, my wife, our son, and all the other people living within 10 miles of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 37 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: And nor do you or anyone else. No, so the best thing we can do it rely on the experts to try and work it out as best they can. The fact that we are heating the planet and it could potentially be catastrophic is not in doubt, the only questions that remain are what happens next and what do we do about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 4 hours ago, Challenger said: Iam in Morocco tonight and it's fucking freezing, not sure if that's any help to anyone? Maybe turn the thermostat up a bit? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 12 hours ago, buctootim said: I thought you didn't like immigrants. That's just an assumption you've made. At no point have I ever stated that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 People obsessing about a 1.2 C rise in May temperatures, in the UK, over the last century? Get a fucking grip...we're a button push away from a nuclear winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 9 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: And nor do you or anyone else. OK, I'm going to try one more time to get through to you, though I don't hold out much hope of success. There is a very high degree of confidence among the climate science community that approximately 100% of current observed warming is attributed to human activity. This tool was developed by researchers at Oxford University This is not 'religion', it is actual science. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 8 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: That's just an assumption you've made. At no point have I ever stated that. Oh okay. You love immigrants and want more? We really need to keep that desertfication and glacier melt going if so Edited June 9 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 55 minutes ago, buctootim said: Oh okay. You love immigrants and want more? We really need to keep that desertfication and glacier melt going if so Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Challenger Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 16 hours ago, buctootim said: Maybe turn the thermostat up a bit? Normally I would, however won't that contribute to climate change ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 How can it be cold in Morocco? I’ve just spoken to my folks who have been out in southern Spain for the past few weeks, they say it’s getting to the point where it’s too hot, getting above 30 degrees (though today was bearable as it dipped back below 25). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 52 minutes ago, Challenger said: Normally I would, however won't that contribute to climate change ? True true. Life is so swings and roundabouts. Whereabouts in Morocco btw? I was in Agadir in February / March and it was perfect weather. Sounds unlucky to be cold in June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Challenger Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 1 hour ago, buctootim said: True true. Life is so swings and roundabouts. Whereabouts in Morocco btw? I was in Agadir in February / March and it was perfect weather. Sounds unlucky to be cold in June. Yes Agadir, hot during day but bloody cold in evening but like yourself everyone says it was better during winter . Like being a Saints supporter, just have to take what comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 7 minutes ago, Challenger said: Yes Agadir, hot during day but bloody cold in evening but like yourself everyone says it was better during winter . Like being a Saints supporter, just have to take what comes. I went there in October a few years ago. It was high 20s during the day and low 20s at night, the locals were walking round in coats and trousers all thought we were mad being in polos or shirts and shorts or chinos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Just one quick question for WG, as he seems perilously close to spouting stuff from the Reform company leaflet I have on my desk here.. "We have raging inflation from energy cost and Net Zero as the Government put ideology ahead of energy security [!] and the cost of living". The rest of the leaflet is full of such inane and juvenile and innumerate trivialities. Shame I couldn't collar the canvasser.. How much do you pay for a unit (1kWh) of electricity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 4 minutes ago, suewhistle said: Just one quick question for WG, as he seems perilously close to spouting stuff from the Reform company leaflet I have on my desk here.. "We have raging inflation from energy cost and Net Zero as the Government put ideology ahead of energy security [!] and the cost of living". The rest of the leaflet is full of such inane and juvenile and innumerate trivialities. Shame I couldn't collar the canvasser.. How much do you pay for a unit (1kWh) of electricity? is that made up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 22 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: is that made up? Sunak and Hunt say they have sorted inflation, so it shouldn't be 'raging'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 20 hours ago, Turkish said: went there in October a few years ago. It was high 20s during the day and low 20s at night, the locals were walking round in coats and trousers all thought we were mad being in polos or shirts and shorts or chinos I’m going this Oct, thanks for the info. I never get it right, we’re in Turkey this week & it’s fucking baking & I must be the only clown who packed a hoodie & jeans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: I’m going this Oct, thanks for the info. I never get it right, we’re in Turkey this week & it’s fucking baking & I must be the only clown who packed a hoodie & jeans. Went to Marrakesh for a couple of days on that holiday and it was hot, about 40 Well worth it though. Essouara was very nice too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: is that made up? I suggest you re-read my post carefully as it contains all the information to answer your question. Obviously somebody 'made it up'; whether it was written by the local candidate or Reform Head Office gave the text to cut and paste I haven't a clue but it's on the leaflet on my desk which I'm retaining in case I ever meet the twat. I'll ask him the question too: how much do you pay for a kWh of electricity. He doesn't look bright enough to understand the question. Let's forget standing charges for the moment although they really impact the poorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 2 hours ago, suewhistle said: Just one quick question for WG, as he seems perilously close to spouting stuff from the Reform company leaflet I have on my desk here.. "We have raging inflation from energy cost and Net Zero as the Government put ideology ahead of energy security [!] and the cost of living". The rest of the leaflet is full of such inane and juvenile and innumerate trivialities. Shame I couldn't collar the canvasser.. How much do you pay for a unit (1kWh) of electricity? Is that the one that claims UK electricity is double the price in France and three times what it is in the US? I had the same exchange online with one of their candidates. Actual prices are almost identical to France (French standing charge varies depending on how much you use) and about the same as the average price in the US. He scuttled off too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: I’m going this Oct, thanks for the info. I never get it right, we’re in Turkey this week & it’s fucking baking & I must be the only clown who packed a hoodie & jeans. Go to Taroudant. Well worth it - walled old city full of one man band workshops making furniture, leather goods etc. https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2023/02/353997/five-places-to-visit-in-moroccos-forgotten-city-of-taroudant Edited June 10 by buctootim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, suewhistle said: Let's forget standing charges for the moment although they really impact the poorer. Martin Lewis is constantly banging on about it on his BBC show, oblivious to the fact the licence fee is funded by exactly the same method. Edited June 10 by Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: I’m going this Oct, thanks for the info. I never get it right, we’re in Turkey this week & it’s fucking baking & I must be the only clown who packed a hoodie & jeans. Mystery that it was going to be hot in Turkey in June. That’s not ‘never get it right’ that’s just being clueless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Quote It was the night that Europe turned its back on net zero and embraced the Right. The European Greens experienced the second largest decline of all parties, dropping to just 7 per cent after Sunday’s European Parliament elections. The gains the Greens had made in 2019, when it secured its highest ever vote share off the back of Greta Thunberg’s mass climate protests, had been effectively eradicated overnight. Finally, reality dawns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) 3 hours ago, Guided Missile said: Finally, reality dawns. If you think the rise of nationalism in Europe is reaction to net zero then you are a fool. Oh, you are ! Edited June 11 by badgerx16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 37 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: If you think the rise of nationalism in Europe is ra eaction to net zero then you are a fool. Oh, you are ! What is the reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, Picard said: What is the reason? For calling him a fool ? Years of experiencing his rambling drivel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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