Fan The Flames Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 34 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: You just wait! You'll be proven wrong when we have a heatwave at some point later in the year. Global warming will be the culprit for sure. https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/faq/whats-the-difference-between-climate-change-and-global-warming/ From NASA the space scientist people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted May 2 Author Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said: You just wait! You'll be proven wrong when we have a heatwave at some point later in the year. Global warming will be the culprit for sure. When temperature records are continually broken and the frequency/intensity of heatwaves increases as part of a clear trend over time, then yes you can blame it on global warming. Just because it's raining and a bit nesh in Somerset in early May doesn't prove anything (what exactly is the point you're trying to make anyway?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted May 2 Author Share Posted May 2 35 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/faq/whats-the-difference-between-climate-change-and-global-warming/ From NASA the space scientist people. Good luck getting through. He obviously doesn't even understand the difference between climate and weather. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 hours ago, Fan The Flames said: https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/faq/whats-the-difference-between-climate-change-and-global-warming/ From NASA the space scientist people. Not sure what your point is. From the link it says : The terms “global warming” and “climate change” are sometimes used interchangeably, but "global warming" is only one aspect of climate change. All I've asked is when does the good bit (warming) kick in? if you don't know the answer, just say you don't know. P.s someone else brought up climate change, not me, I'm just interested in the good bit. I thought I'd made that clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 It’s like trying to explain algebra to a potato. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 On 01/05/2024 at 19:59, Sheaf Saint said: Wave of exceptionally hot weather scorches south and south-east Asia | South and central Asia | The Guardian That article says “weather” and you were accusing others of not knowing the difference between weather and global warming 🤦 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 On 21/11/2023 at 12:37, Sheaf Saint said: Q&A: Warming of 2C would trigger ‘catastrophic’ loss of world’s ice, new report says - Carbon Brief Global warming of 2C would see “extensive, long-term [and] essentially irreversible” losses from the Earth’s ice sheets and glaciers, warns a new report. It would also lead to polar oceans that are “ice-free” in summer and suffering “essentially permanent corrosive ocean acidification”, the report says. The 2023 “state of the cryosphere” report from the International Cryosphere Climate Initiative (ICCI) lays out the impacts on Earth’s frozen land and seas from sustained warming at 2C and the “catastrophic global damage” that would result. These impacts would include “potentially rapid, irreversible sea level rise from the Earth’s ice sheets”, the report says, with a “compelling number of new studies” all pointing to thresholds of sustained ice loss for both Greenland and parts of Antarctica at well-below 2C. This would commit the world to “between 12 and 20 metres” of sea level rise “if 2C becomes the new constant”. If the UK does it's very best in reducing emissions how much of this 2C rise can they prevent and how much is that going to cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 10 hours ago, Turkish said: That article says “weather” and you were accusing others of not knowing the difference between weather and global warming 🤦 See my subsequent post... 14 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said: When temperature records are continually broken and the frequency/intensity of heatwaves increases as part of a clear trend over time, then yes you can blame it on global warming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 minute ago, Sheaf Saint said: See my subsequent post... So what? It was pretty funny how you arrogantly dismissed him as not knowing the difference between climate change and weather yet when asked a direct question about climate change you responded with an article about weather. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 3 hours ago, Picard said: If the UK does it's very best in reducing emissions how much of this 2C rise can they prevent and how much is that going to cost? https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/costs-and-benefits-of-the-uk-reaching-net-zero-emissions-by-2050-the-evidence/ 1% of GDP by 2050, compared to an estimated 4% of global economy by 2100 if we fail to act... https://www.sciencenews.org/article/climate-economic-costs-rising-seas-will-be-steeper-than-thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said: “ When temperature records are continually broken “ Temperatures have been a lot, lot higher in the geological past. What you call ‘records’ are only relatively recent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 14 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: Not sure what your point is. From the link it says : The terms “global warming” and “climate change” are sometimes used interchangeably, but "global warming" is only one aspect of climate change. All I've asked is when does the good bit (warming) kick in? if you don't know the answer, just say you don't know. P.s someone else brought up climate change, not me, I'm just interested in the good bit. I thought I'd made that clear. I just thought you would be interested in the article given your passion for and razor sharp understanding of the subject. You've probably read it already or even wrote it for all I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 17 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Temperatures have been a lot, lot higher in the geological past. As have atmospheric CO2 and the sea level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Temperatures have been a lot, lot higher in the geological past. What you call ‘records’ are only relatively recent. Yes, but we don't have records for that, only inferences from proxy data. And as badgerx16 points out, those higher temperatures have also coincided with much higher CO2 concentrations and sea levels. An example of this is the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM), which was caused by a massive release of carbon into the atmosphere, likely from volcanic activity. Edited May 3 by Sheaf Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 8 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Yes, but we don't have records for that, only inferences from proxy data. And as badgerx16 points out, those higher temperatures have also coincided with much higher CO2 concentrations and sea levels. An example of this is the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM), which was caused by a massive release of carbon into the atmosphere, likely from volcanic activity. Could that volcanic activity happen again? And if so, how likely is it? If so, would that render man's efforts to control CO2 redundant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 49 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: I just thought you would be interested in the article given your passion for and razor sharp understanding of the subject. You've probably read it already or even wrote it for all I know. I enjoyed the article. Those spacemen really know how to write! Fantastic stuff. I also enjoy hypocrits getting agitated over the weather and climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Ps 3rd of May today - a relatively balmy 9 degrees and only drizzling this morning. Rumour has it the golden orb will make an appearance for an hour or so later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 15 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Could that volcanic activity happen again? And if so, how likely is it? If so, would that render man's efforts to control CO2 redundant? Potentially, yes. There's no way of predicting super-volcanic eruptions with any degree of accuracy. And yes, if such an event were to occur, anthropogenic emissions would pale in comparison to the level of CO2 it would release. But we could be talking thousands or even millions of years in the future, so it doesn't negate the point of controlling our emissions in the here and now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 2 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Potentially, yes. There's no way of predicting super-volcanic eruptions with any degree of accuracy. And yes, if such an event were to occur, anthropogenic emissions would pale in comparison to the level of CO2 it would release. But we could be talking thousands or even millions of years in the future, so it doesn't negate the point of controlling our emissions in the here and now. Or we could be talking five, ten or twenty years. Or we could see a series of smaller volcanic eruptions giving the combined effect of a super volcano. So many unknowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 6 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: Could that volcanic activity happen again? And if so, how likely is it? If so, would that render man's efforts to control CO2 redundant? 1. Yes 2. Quite 3. Less relevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 7 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: Ps 3rd of May today - a relatively balmy 9 degrees and only drizzling this morning. Rumour has it the golden orb will make an appearance for an hour or so later. Early May 1976. Sunny and warm. Early May 2024 Overcast, wet and miserable. Global warming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 51 minutes ago, spyinthesky said: Early May 1976. Sunny and warm. Early May 2024 Overcast, wet and miserable. Global warming? Don't be daft. It's just weather. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 April 1949 was also a heatwave. It means nothing in the longer term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 On 03/05/2024 at 17:18, spyinthesky said: Early May 1976. Sunny and warm. Early May 2024 Overcast, wet and miserable. Global warming? It was so humid on cup final day. Overcast ish too. Must have been all those planes criss-crossing Wembley pumping out chemtrails. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 (edited) Good to see the club doing their bit to save the planet when getting my order to me in deepest darkest Devon... Edited June 7 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 On 03/05/2024 at 11:18, spyinthesky said: Early May 1976. Sunny and warm. Early May 2024 Overcast, wet and miserable. Global warming? Hottest May on record 🤣🤣🤣 https://www.itv.com/news/2024-06-03/warmest-may-and-spring-on-record-in-uk-met-office-figures-show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 3 hours ago, Turkish said: Hottest May on record 🤣🤣🤣 https://www.itv.com/news/2024-06-03/warmest-may-and-spring-on-record-in-uk-met-office-figures-show Remarkable that bullshit like this is believed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 36 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Remarkable that bullshit like this is believed Met office figures are bullshit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Remarkable that bullshit like this is believed What's your reason to disbelieve the data? (Is it your feelings?) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 28 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Met office figures are bullshit? “records dating back to 1884” That doesn’t sound as alarming as “warmest on record” The Met Office has an agenda. As does everybody. Always look behind the headlines. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 2 minutes ago, pingpong said: What's your reason to disbelieve the data? (Is it your feelings?) These figures are for the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 16 minutes ago, pingpong said: What's your reason to disbelieve the data? (Is it your feelings?) Crazy isn't it, the Met Office are just reporting the facts, what the temperature was and comparing it to previous years. And people claim these figures are bullshit, the only explanation is that Dell Daze must think the MO is making them up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 18 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: “records dating back to 1884” That doesn’t sound as alarming as “warmest on record” The Met Office has an agenda. As does everybody. Always look behind the headlines. Both are just statements of fact, neither are alarming, unless you are a bit delicate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 Quote Weatherwise, it has been a rubbish May. And it has been an abysmal spring. It has been cold and wet. And everyone knows it. But according to the Meteorological Office, the U.K. has just experienced its hottest ever May, and its hottest ever spring. As news reports and the Met Office’s own press release have correctly indicated, this “may come as a surprise” to many people who actually live here (rather than on the planet that the Met Office’s scientists inhabit). To those people, many of whom had their heating on for a good part of the month, the Met Office’s statement, as well as the “akshully…” news reports that claim to shed light on the difference between perception and reality, look like actual gaslighting. Even if the claim is true, which remains to be seen, what it reveals is the inadequacy of temperature as a metric on which U.K. climate and energy policy rests. Quote The Met Office’s charts for May and Spring show mean U.K. temperatures far in excess of what most people would expect. The mean temperature for May was a full degree warmer than the next warmest May in 2017. ‘Mean temperature’ is the average of the minimum and maximum temperatures recorded on one day. And the two extremes is obtained by averaging the highest and lowest temperatures of all stations in the MO’s network of weather stations. But as the following chart shows, while the max temperature is equal highest with 2018, it is the average minimum temperature which really makes May 2024 an outlier at 9°C, which is 1.2°C warmer than the next warmest average minimum, which was in May 2022. Quote I wanted to see for myself how the raw data had been turned into this kind of zombie climate stat. It has been a long time since I bothered doing a deep dive into meteorological data, because it turns out that you do not need any kind of weather statistics to know, for absolute sure, that there is no ‘climate crisis’, so I haven’t felt the need. However, I was surprised to discover that data from the weather stations that are used in the Met Office’s analysis are not available to the public at higher than monthly resolution. That’s a problem because in order to build an estimate of how useful minimum and maximum temperature data are, even in one location, never mind across an entire country, it would need to be compared to hourly data at a minimum. But not even daily data are available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: It takes ten minutes to read the MO report and it's states that the average temp has been affected by higher night time temperatures. So colder in the day warmer in the night, averaged out, warmer overall. Simple or is the climate irrelevant when you are asleep. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 22 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: It takes ten minutes to read the MO report and it's states that the average temp has been affected by higher night time temperatures. So colder in the day warmer in the night, averaged out, warmer overall. Simple or is the climate irrelevant when you are asleep. Alexei is clued in to the fact that the Met Office is just a branch of the Ministry of Truth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 59 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: Both are just statements of fact, neither are alarming, unless you are a bit delicate. They aren’t alarming but the way they are reported is intended to be so. The question is why so? There is an agenda at work here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: They aren’t alarming but the way they are reported is intended to be so. The question is why so? There is an agenda at work here. It doesn't come across alarming, you are a climate change sceptic so maybe you are just too hyper vigilant. Edited June 8 by Fan The Flames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: They aren’t alarming but the way they are reported is intended to be so. The question is why so? There is an agenda at work here. Genuinely interested to know what do you think the agenda is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 4 hours ago, Fan The Flames said: It takes ten minutes to read the MO report and it's states that the average temp has been affected by higher night time temperatures. So colder in the day warmer in the night, averaged out, warmer overall. Simple or is the climate irrelevant when you are asleep. You appear to be questioning the validity of the the measurement for the hottest May ever. anyway I’m sure bexy will be along later with all his graphs to show us the facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 15 minutes ago, Turkish said: You appear to be questioning the validity of the the measurement for the hottest May ever. anyway I’m sure bexy will be along later with all his graphs to show us the facts I really can't see how you get to that conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted June 8 Author Share Posted June 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, Turkish said: You appear to be questioning the validity of the the measurement for the hottest May ever. anyway I’m sure bexy will be along later with all his graphs to show us the facts Happy to oblige Source: Warm May and spring for the UK - Met Office It really is very simple, except to those who refuse to see. Edited June 8 by Sheaf Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 5 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Happy to oblige Source: Warm May and spring for the UK - Met Office It really is very simple, except to those who refuse to see. Would the "warm, overnight temperatures" have been influenced by the cloudy, miserable, wet weather trapping the warmth, as opposed to cloudless skies letting it escape? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted June 8 Author Share Posted June 8 1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said: Would the "warm, overnight temperatures" have been influenced by the cloudy, miserable, wet weather trapping the warmth, as opposed to cloudless skies letting it escape? Very likely, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 2 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Very likely, yes. So we have to suffer a miserable month then be told it's the warmest ever. Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 We are heavily, and ever increasingly, urbanised. Might well explain why nights are warmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 12 minutes ago, Winnersaint said: We are heavily, and ever increasingly, urbanised. Might well explain why nights are warmer. That depends on where you live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 4 hours ago, Winnersaint said: Genuinely interested to know what do you think the agenda is? Net Zero. Preparing us for a poorer lifestyle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 5 hours ago, Fan The Flames said: It doesn't come across alarming, you are a climate change sceptic so maybe you are just too hyper vigilant. Then ask yourself why it is released to the media? Im not a climate change sceptic. Of course the climate is changing. It always has and it always will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 56 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Happy to oblige Source: Warm May and spring for the UK - Met Office It really is very simple, except to those who refuse to see. ‘UK’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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