Climate Change

[buctootim]

  On 02/11/2024 at 14:50, Weston Super Saint said:

You seem to have completely missed the point.

I asked if any (and if so how much) fossil fuel is used to CHARGE the battery not make them.

Unless you're claiming they never need to be charged?

Also, does the capacity reduce with age (I know the battery on my phone does), so whilst it may last 200k miles, does it need to be charged more often later on its life (and maybe use more fossil fuels that created the electricity to charge them)?

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Ah fair enough, i read it as change. Still a flawed point though because 60% of UK electricity comes from renewables + nuclear and that figure is growing year on year by around 3%. That autocar link gives a battery decline rate of 73% of life left after 200k - which is way more than I thought it would be. 

That said i do think hydrogen will be the long term solution, not battery

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[sadoldgit]

  On 02/11/2024 at 09:20, aintforever said:

It’s that way of thinking which results in the complete failure to deal with the problem. Every country on the planet can say the same thing and nothing gets done.

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Indeed!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxvnk10xz2o.amp

[Weston Super Saint]

I was trying to think of a reason why the climate change targets are missed year in, year out.  I thought about going to the pub to ask some randoms what their thoughts were, but then I read this article :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crmzvdn9e18o

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A senior official at COP29 climate change conference in Azerbaijan appears to have used his role to arrange a meeting to discuss potential fossil fuel deals, the BBC can report.

A secret recording shows the chief executive of Azerbaijan's COP29 team, Elnur Soltanov, discussing "investment opportunities" in the state oil and gas company with a man posing as a potential investor.

"We have a lot of gas fields that are to be developed," he says.

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[Turkish]

  On 08/11/2024 at 07:23, Weston Super Saint said:

I was trying to think of a reason why the climate change targets are missed year in, year out.  I thought about going to the pub to ask some randoms what their thoughts were, but then I read this article :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crmzvdn9e18o

 

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We could hit them if only people would pay more in taxes to help 

[egg]

  On 02/11/2024 at 15:04, buctootim said:

Ah fair enough, i read it as change. Still a flawed point though because 60% of UK electricity comes from renewables + nuclear and that figure is growing year on year by around 3%. That autocar link gives a battery decline rate of 73% of life left after 200k - which is way more than I thought it would be. 

That said i do think hydrogen will be the long term solution, not battery

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I think it should, but I'm not sure it will anytime soon. Ceres Power are a company big on this, and their performance (and the news around them) is a decent barometer imo on this. The slide in their share price, probably reflects the direction of travel for the foreseeable. Cheap at the moment btw. 

[whelk]

Let’s hope they all have bags for life

https://news.sky.com/story/new-delhi-air-pollution-schools-closed-and-construction-stopped-as-smog-worsens-to-levels-far-above-who-safety-limit-13256082

[hypochondriac]

  On 18/11/2024 at 11:46, whelk said:

Let’s hope they all have bags for life

https://news.sky.com/story/new-delhi-air-pollution-schools-closed-and-construction-stopped-as-smog-worsens-to-levels-far-above-who-safety-limit-13256082

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Vitally important that we permanently make ourselves poorer and lower our quality of life though. 

[Turkish]

Schools could be closed up here tomorrow with heavy overnight snow forecast, earliest snow and lowest temperatures since 2018 and 1993. I thought closing schools was a southern thing and northerners just wear a coat in bad weather?

[badgerx16]

  On 18/11/2024 at 18:19, Turkish said:

Schools could be closed up here tomorrow with heavy overnight snow forecast, earliest snow and lowest temperatures since 2018 and 1993. I thought closing schools was a southern thing and northerners just wear a coat in bad weather?

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Too many southerners moving north ?

[whelk]

  On 18/11/2024 at 18:19, Turkish said:

Schools could be closed up here tomorrow with heavy overnight snow forecast, earliest snow and lowest temperatures since 2018 and 1993. I thought closing schools was a southern thing and northerners just wear a coat in bad weather?

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I hope you allow the missus to have the heating on for 10 minutes?

[Turkish]

  On 18/11/2024 at 18:39, whelk said:

I hope you allow the missus to have the heating on for 10 minutes?

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Fuck that she’s got a blanket hasn’t she 

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 18/11/2024 at 18:19, Turkish said:

Schools could be closed up here tomorrow with heavy overnight snow forecast, earliest snow and lowest temperatures since 2018 and 1993. I thought closing schools was a southern thing and northerners just wear a coat in bad weather?

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Meanwhile, I had to mow de lawn on Friday.

Mid November is the latest I've had to mow it since 2022!

[AlexLaw76]

COP 29 was the last chance to save the earth (until COP 30, then 31.....)

 

[badgerx16]

  On 18/11/2024 at 19:58, AlexLaw76 said:

COP 29 was the last chance to save the earth (until COP 30, then 31.....)

 

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The Earth will be around long after humanity has gone extinct.

[Turkish]

  On 18/11/2024 at 19:58, AlexLaw76 said:

COP 29 was the last chance to save the earth (until COP 30, then 31.....)

 

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We CAN save the earth. We stopped acid rain. The hole in the ozone layer isn’t cool anymore. We just need more taxes off you to do it

[whelk]

  On 18/11/2024 at 19:35, Weston Super Saint said:

Meanwhile, I had to mow de lawn on Friday.

Mid November is the latest I've had to mow it since 2022!

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I heard that when there no sounds of lawnmowers this is the sign for swallows to migrate south

[whelk]

  On 18/11/2024 at 19:02, Turkish said:

Fuck that she’s got a blanket hasn’t she 

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I used that as evidence telling the missus even up north they haven’t gone early yet

[Turkish]

  On 18/11/2024 at 20:22, whelk said:

I used that as evidence telling the missus even up north they haven’t gone early yet

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If she wants to get warm there’s a washing up bowl full or warm water she can get busy with 

[Turkish]

  On 18/11/2024 at 20:15, badgerx16 said:

The Earth will be around long after humanity has gone extinct.

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Not if it wasn’t for Flash Gordon

 

[Turkish]

[benjii]

Obviously there will be debates as to whether this is climate-related or not, but the potential actual destruction of swathes of America's second city may help to focus attention.

[whelk]

  On 09/01/2025 at 08:20, benjii said:

Obviously there will be debates as to whether this is climate-related or not, but the potential actual destruction of swathes of America's second city may help to focus attention.

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Sure Trump will say they were all started from a illegal Mexican immigrant meth lab, or roasting pets

[Turkish]

  On 09/01/2025 at 08:20, benjii said:

Obviously there will be debates as to whether this is climate-related or not, but the potential actual destruction of swathes of America's second city may help to focus attention.

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Meanwhile 60m Yanks were freezing with snow and storms with the coldest temperature for a decade. This is just weather though, when it's hot that's climate change. 

[Turkish]

  On 09/01/2025 at 08:32, whelk said:

Sure Trump will say they were all started from a illegal Mexican immigrant meth lab, or roasting pets

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Heard it was down to a satanic ritual started by Californian devil worshipers. 

[benjii]

  On 09/01/2025 at 08:35, Turkish said:

Meanwhile 60m Yanks were freezing with snow and storms with the coldest temperature for a decade. This is just weather though, when it's hot that's climate change. 

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Who says that?

[aintforever]

  On 09/01/2025 at 08:35, Turkish said:

Meanwhile 60m Yanks were freezing with snow and storms with the coldest temperature for a decade. This is just weather though, when it's hot that's climate change. 

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Bless. Struggle with science at school did we?

[Turkish]

  On 09/01/2025 at 12:31, aintforever said:

Bless. Struggle with science at school did we?

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i spent most lessons burning the fingers of melts like you on the bunsen burners

 

[aintforever]

  On 09/01/2025 at 12:34, Turkish said:

i spent most lessons burning the fingers of melts like you on the bunsen burners

 

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We were streamed at my school so I wouldn't have got near fuck-wits like you.

[Turkish]

  On 09/01/2025 at 12:37, aintforever said:

We were streamed at my school so I wouldn't have got near fuck-wits like you.

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I bet you were the kid who used to ride up to the cool kids playing football, give wanker sign from 20 yards away then cycle off as quickly as your scrawnly little legs could peddle.

[SotonianWill]

Does anyone have any good links to reports on the effects of climate change in the Global South? Beyond the IPCC and World Bank, if possible. 

[tdmickey3]

  On 09/01/2025 at 12:34, Turkish said:

i spent most lessons burning the fingers of melts like you on the bunsen burners

 

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Toughest at school I reckon, picking on the smaller kids

[Lighthouse]

  On 09/01/2025 at 08:32, whelk said:

Sure Trump will say they were all started from a illegal Mexican immigrant meth lab, or roasting pets

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If you reach a critical mass of non-binary they/thems, they tend to combust.

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 09/01/2025 at 08:20, benjii said:

Obviously there will be debates as to whether this is climate-related or not, but the potential actual destruction of swathes of America's second city may help to focus attention.

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“…heavy rains from El Niño last year fuelled vegetation growth, which has since dried out during the recent prolonged dry spell and, along with strong winds, created perfect conditions for wildfires to spread.”

Dr. RAE North

https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/front-page/media-deflection/

 

[aintforever]

  On 09/01/2025 at 19:42, Whitey Grandad said:

“…heavy rains from El Niño last year fuelled vegetation growth, which has since dried out during the recent prolonged dry spell and, along with strong winds, created perfect conditions for wildfires to spread.”

Dr. RAE North

https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/front-page/media-deflection/

 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0ewe4p9128o
 

“Climate change has made the grasses and shrubs that are fuelling the Los Angeles fires more vulnerable to burning, scientists say.

Rapid swings between dry and wet conditions in the region in recent years have created a massive amount of tinder-dry vegetation that is ready to ignite.

Decades of drought in California were followed by extremely heavy rainfall for two years in 2022 and 2023, but that then flipped again to very dry conditions the in autumn and winter of 2024.

Scientists say in a new study, external that climate change has boosted what they call these "whiplash" conditions globally by 31-66% since the middle of the 20th Century.

The wildfires have spread across parts of the Los Angeles area, leading to at least five deaths, burning down hundreds of buildings, and prompting evacuation orders for more than 179,000 people.

"This whiplash sequence in California has increased fire risk twofold," said lead author Daniel Swain from UCLA.

"First, by greatly increasing the growth of flammable grass and brush in the months leading up to fire season, and then by drying it out to exceptionally high levels with the extreme dryness and warmth that followed."

The researchers say that with every degree of warming the atmosphere is able to evaporate, absorb and release 7% more water.

This "expanding atmospheric sponge" as the scientists term it, not only leads to flooding when things are wetter, but it pulls extra moisture out of the plants and soils when the drier conditions set in.”

[Turkish]

If only Californians had paid more in taxes it could all have been avoided 

[Turkish]

  On 09/01/2025 at 14:10, tdmickey3 said:

Toughest at school I reckon, picking on the smaller kids

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Just like now I don’t tolerate dickheads or people who give it large and don’t like getting it back. 

[egg]

  On 10/01/2025 at 07:33, Turkish said:

If only Californians had paid more in taxes it could all have been avoided 

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Or not donated fire engines to Ukraine according to Donald. 

Sadly climate seems to have played a big part - loads of rainfall the last couple of years growing the shrubbery, heat this year has dried them out, and the wind has come along to fan the flames. 

Horrible tragedy, and very sad that it's being used for political opportunism. 

[badgerx16]

  On 10/01/2025 at 07:33, Turkish said:

If only Californians had paid more in taxes it could all have been avoided 

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Cuts to the fire service budget and lack of investment in the water supply have contributed to the situation.

[hypochondriac]

  On 10/01/2025 at 08:07, badgerx16 said:

Cuts to the fire service budget and lack of investment in the water supply have contributed to the situation.

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Not sure if it was a parody or something but someone said that goats used to feed on the brush and no longer do as it isn't cost effective which made the situation much worse. 

[tdmickey3]

  On 10/01/2025 at 07:34, Turkish said:

Just like now I don’t tolerate dickheads or people who give it large and don’t like getting it back. 

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[badgerx16]

  On 10/01/2025 at 08:19, hypochondriac said:

Not sure if it was a parody or something but someone said that goats used to feed on the brush and no longer do as it isn't cost effective which made the situation much worse. 

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It has been claimed that almond cultivation in California uses as much water as the total domestic water consumption in the State. 70% of almonds are exported, and it shows a certain irony in this picture showing a man emptying cartons of almond milk onto an area where the fire was spreading near his house;

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[badgerx16]

  On 10/01/2025 at 08:19, hypochondriac said:

Not sure if it was a parody or something but someone said that goats used to feed on the brush and no longer do as it isn't cost effective which made the situation much worse. 

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They certainly gave the goats a lot of publicity last year, not sure if it was just window dressing though.

[sadoldgit]

It’s only going to get worse.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/08/us-banks-quit-net-zero-alliance-before-trump-inauguration

[skintsaint]

  On 10/01/2025 at 08:07, badgerx16 said:

Cuts to the fire service budget and lack of investment in the water supply have contributed to the situation.

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After living in the hills outside Perth in Aus for years, we had to cut back our fire breaks every year. Looks like they don't do such a thing there and might be a good idea they do. They help prevent fire spread as quickly as we have seen in LA.

[Turkish]

BBC News putting the storm in the north of Britain down to climate change not weather. 

[spyinthesky]

I am a little wary of all the reports that historical burning of fossil fuels has caused extremes of weather as such occurrences have happened in the past.

That said the weather in the UK, in my lifetime, has changed and is warming.

[Gloucester Saint]

  On 10/01/2025 at 08:24, badgerx16 said:

It has been claimed that almond cultivation in California uses as much water as the total domestic water consumption in the State. 70% of almonds are exported, and it shows a certain irony in this picture showing a man emptying cartons of almond milk onto an area where the fire was spreading near his house;

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That’s why I try to avoid Almond Milk, terrible for the health of honey bees as well.

[Gloucester Saint]

  On 24/01/2025 at 21:09, spyinthesky said:

I am a little wary of all the reports that historical burning of fossil fuels has caused extremes of weather as such occurrences have happened in the past.

That said the weather in the UK, in my lifetime, has changed and is warming.

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Biggest sign of it I noticed in 2018 on holiday in the Lakes when WC in Russia was on. Growing up and throughout 2000s and most of 2010s, midday was hottest part of the day hence the song about Mad Dogs & Englishmen. What happened and it’s stayed ever since is the hottest part of the day mid-summer is 5-8pm when it had previously cooled down to a lovely temperature. 

[east-stand-nic]

  On 24/01/2025 at 18:44, Turkish said:

BBC News putting the storm in the north of Britain down to climate change not weather. 

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Indeed, because we never had storms like this ever at any time in human history. Climate change is yet another hoax to tax and cheat people, and backed up with BS from government funded scientists. Cue all the brain dead laughing at me. Hey guess what....I don't care what you think of me. I know the truth and that is enough for me.

[Tamesaint]

  On 25/01/2025 at 10:45, east-stand-nic said:

Indeed, because we never had storms like this ever at any time in human history. Climate change is yet another hoax to tax and cheat people, and backed up with BS from government funded scientists. Cue all the brain dead laughing at me. Hey guess what....I don't care what you think of me. I know the truth and that is enough for me.

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Priceless.... And yes I am laughing at you.