Qatar 2022 - Boycott

[TPooley]

Hello. If anyone shares in the view that  England should be boycotting the World Cup in Qatar next year, I’d be grateful if you could read and sign this petition, and share it with Southampton fans. If not, no worries - I of course appreciate people will have different views on this. Many thanks. 

http://chng.it/MSCzSC7v

[Wade Garrett]

Signed.  The way they treat the workers is criminal.  Shame on FIFA for turning a blind eye in return for their brown envelopes.

[Lord Duckhunter]

27 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Signed.  The way they treat the workers is criminal.  Shame on FIFA for turning a blind eye in return for their brown envelopes.

Everyone is turning a blind eye, from FIFA to Sky, via  PFA, media wokies, players, supporters and advertisers. 

[Saint Keef]

Well done for posting this up. Signed with pleasure.

Just another example of corruption at a very high level.

[Chris cooper]

Yep signed ! 👍🏻

[Matthew Le God]

Playing Devil's advocate... this has no chance of succeeding at its aims, so what is the point of it?

Edited 10 April, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[Pedantic Pete]

The problem IMO with this sort of thing is that there are so many issues in the world so why do people feel the need to bring politics into football?

The fish we eat is often caught using slave labour, the kits we buy are stitched by kids, we do multi billion pound business deals with countries violating human rights laws everyday, we let the Chinese do whatever they like to the people of Hong Kong with no consequence as we are trying to get down to carbon neutral by getting anything that is polluting made in another country (China) so we feel good for lowering carbon but can carry on consuming at the same levels...but woah..we should boycott the world cup..that will fix everything?

 

  

[Saint Keef]

38 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Playing Devil's advocate... this has no chance of succeeding at its aims, so what is the point of it?

They probably said the same about apartheid, the abolition of slavery, women's rights to vote, the abolition of hanging, the continuing fight against racism, stop the Vietnam War and so on and so on. What's the point of it? It'll never change.

I expect people sat around during the Second World War saying just that. What's the point of fighting the Germans.....we'll never win.

The point is, sometimes (not always) these things snowball and change does happen. OK, so it may not stop the Qatar World Cup, but if enough people boycott it, including clubs, fans, media outlets, advertisers and even Nations then it loses its value as a tournament. So if this petition in some small way helps to raise the awareness of atrocities and corruption going on, then I'm for it.

It's a matter of personal choice of course, but I'm guessing you won't be signing the petition? I'm not sure if you are playing Devil's Advocate or just being contrary You're entitled to your views of course and this site is for reasoned debate (sometimes!) so I'm not arguing with you, just saying that in this instance I happen to think you're wrong, Devil's Advocate or not. 

[Whitey Grandad]

I’ve signed.  It so much for the political reasons but because it is such a stupid place and season to hold it. It goes against all footballing traditions and I cannot believe that corruption is not involved.

I have no evidence of any such thing of course in case any lawyers are reading this.

[Cartman]

Will there be a petition to boycott the 2026 World Cup in the US? It would be hypocritical not to.

[Pedantic Pete]

15 minutes ago, Saint Keef said:

They probably said the same about apartheid, the abolition of slavery, women's rights to vote, the abolition of hanging, the continuing fight against racism, stop the Vietnam War and so on and so on. What's the point of it? It'll never change.

I expect people sat around during the Second World War saying just that. What's the point of fighting the Germans.....we'll never win.

The point is, sometimes (not always) these things snowball and change does happen. OK, so it may not stop the Qatar World Cup, but if enough people boycott it, including clubs, fans, media outlets, advertisers and even Nations then it loses its value as a tournament. So if this petition in some small way helps to raise the awareness of atrocities and corruption going on, then I'm for it.

It's a matter of personal choice of course, but I'm guessing you won't be signing the petition? I'm not sure if you are playing Devil's Advocate or just being contrary You're entitled to your views of course and this site is for reasoned debate (sometimes!) so I'm not arguing with you, just saying that in this instance I happen to think you're wrong, Devil's Advocate or not. 

You are absolutely right, Change has to start with a single person.

Personally though, I don't think it that people should try to use sport or football as the medium for that change. If we do boycott countries for everything that is wrong then we will never play another international again and probably shouldn't be turning up on a Saturday either as a protest to cheap labour being used to make the kits.

 

[TPooley]

3 minutes ago, Pedantic Pete said:

You are absolutely right, Change has to start with a single person.

Personally though, I don't think it that people should try to use sport or football as the medium for that change. If we do boycott countries for everything that is wrong then we will never play another international again and probably shouldn't be turning up on a Saturday either as a protest to cheap labour being used to make the kits.

 

Hi Pete. I understand what you’re saying - there are so many injustices in the world and the web of blame is intricate. However I’d actually argue that this specific issue is, relatively speaking, quite simple to solve. It just requires enough people to take a stand. And while I know there are so many causes we could champion, I’m not sure that’s reason to champion none. And this one - as football fans - is one that I’d say is ours to address.

[Wade Garrett]

6500 workers in Qatar have died building infrastructure for the 2022 World Cup.

It is scandalous and is legitimising a State that is virtually practicing slavery.

Any footballer that takes part has absolutely no conscience.

[Lord Duckhunter]

52 minutes ago, Cartman said:

Will there be a petition to boycott the 2026 World Cup in the US? It would be hypocritical not to.

Why?

[cloggy saint]

17 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Why?

Widespread racism, police brutality, regular mass shootings, dubious foreign policy, the Kardashians. Need I go on?

[redder freak]

Signed. We shouldn’t have to die for football. It’s entertainment.

[TPooley]

18 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

Widespread racism, police brutality, regular mass shootings, dubious foreign policy, the Kardashians. Need I go on?

This is all true, but these are broader issues. The reason for this particular boycott is due to things relating to this particular event.

[East Kent Saint]

We all know this is “sportswashing” as already deployed by China , Russia , Saudi Arabia , Bahrain etc not only that but it is too hot to play sport outdoors and they have no football heritage.

[Toadhall Saint]

Done

[JRM]

2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I’ve signed.  It so much for the political reasons but because it is such a stupid place and season to hold it. It goes against all footballing traditions and I cannot believe that corruption is not involved.

I have no evidence of any such thing of course in case any lawyers are reading this.

Same boycott the world cup for having the front to interrupt out domestic season , world cups are for warm summer's evenings not cold December days when we should be shivering on the terraces. 

[Fan The Flames]

2 hours ago, Cartman said:

Will there be a petition to boycott the 2026 World Cup in the US? It would be hypocritical not to.

Start one if you want to.

[The Kraken]

2 hours ago, Saint Keef said:

They probably said the same about apartheid, the abolition of slavery, women's rights to vote, the abolition of hanging, the continuing fight against racism, stop the Vietnam War and so on and so on. What's the point of it? It'll never change.

I expect people sat around during the Second World War saying just that. What's the point of fighting the Germans.....we'll never win.

The point is, sometimes (not always) these things snowball and change does happen. OK, so it may not stop the Qatar World Cup, but if enough people boycott it, including clubs, fans, media outlets, advertisers and even Nations then it loses its value as a tournament. So if this petition in some small way helps to raise the awareness of atrocities and corruption going on, then I'm for it.

It's a matter of personal choice of course, but I'm guessing you won't be signing the petition? I'm not sure if you are playing Devil's Advocate or just being contrary You're entitled to your views of course and this site is for reasoned debate (sometimes!) so I'm not arguing with you, just saying that in this instance I happen to think you're wrong, Devil's Advocate or not. 

Very well put.

[Cartman]

21 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Start one if you want to.

I'm not the one outraged about a World Cup in Qatar. Or the US for that matter. But I doubt we will see these same petitions and protests in 4 years time.

By the way, there are 2.3 million migrant workers in Qatar. The 6500 figure is the total that have died over the last 10 years, for any reason, employed in any job.

There is a lot of anti-Qatari propaganda around, since they aren't exactly on friendly terms with the US-Israel-Saudi-UAE alliance from hell. They are no angels, but this campaign isn't happening for innocent, humanitarian reasons, and certainly not driven by people who care about that.

[aintforever]

Signed. For the reasons mentioned, but also because it’s going to be shit.

[Pedantic Pete]

4 hours ago, Saint Keef said:

They probably said the same about apartheid, the abolition of slavery, women's rights to vote, the abolition of hanging, the continuing fight against racism, stop the Vietnam War and so on and so on. What's the point of it? It'll never change.

I expect people sat around during the Second World War saying just that. What's the point of fighting the Germans.....we'll never win.

The point is, sometimes (not always) these things snowball and change does happen. OK, so it may not stop the Qatar World Cup, but if enough people boycott it, including clubs, fans, media outlets, advertisers and even Nations then it loses its value as a tournament. So if this petition in some small way helps to raise the awareness of atrocities and corruption going on, then I'm for it.

It's a matter of personal choice of course, but I'm guessing you won't be signing the petition? I'm not sure if you are playing Devil's Advocate or just being contrary You're entitled to your views of course and this site is for reasoned debate (sometimes!) so I'm not arguing with you, just saying that in this instance I happen to think you're wrong, Devil's Advocate or not. 

But isn't the issue that people are happy to sign a form, maybe go for a walk on a protest but not really ready to change anything in their own life that would make a difference?

Isn't it just a bit of virtue signalling really? Make people feel good that they signed a petition but will they still watch the world cup? Probably... if England do well they will be down the pub watching the games..

Will they boycott the TV companies that show the games? No..... they will still have a TV licence and watch corrie after its over.

Will they boycott any company doing business with Qatar? Probably not. 

Did they really care? Probably not..a bit of faux outrage is all the rage these days... then carry on as normal. Why weren't they protesting before the decision, to make the decision to give it to them impossible? Why aren't they out in the streets protesting to ensure China don't get the 2030 world cup?  

 

[Avenue_Saint]

1 hour ago, Cartman said:

I'm not the one outraged about a World Cup in Qatar. Or the US for that matter. But I doubt we will see these same petitions and protests in 4 years time.

By the way, there are 2.3 million migrant workers in Qatar. The 6500 figure is the total that have died over the last 10 years, for any reason, employed in any job.

There is a lot of anti-Qatari propaganda around, since they aren't exactly on friendly terms with the US-Israel-Saudi-UAE alliance from hell. They are no angels, but this campaign isn't happening for innocent, humanitarian reasons, and certainly not driven by people who care about that.

Intelligent man.

[aintforever]

50 minutes ago, Pedantic Pete said:

But isn't the issue that people are happy to sign a form, maybe go for a walk on a protest but not really ready to change anything in their own life that would make a difference?

Isn't it just a bit of virtue signalling really? Make people feel good that they signed a petition but will they still watch the world cup? Probably... if England do well they will be down the pub watching the games..

Will they boycott the TV companies that show the games? No..... they will still have a TV licence and watch corrie after its over.

Will they boycott any company doing business with Qatar? Probably not. 

Did they really care? Probably not..a bit of faux outrage is all the rage these days... then carry on as normal. Why weren't they protesting before the decision, to make the decision to give it to them impossible? Why aren't they out in the streets protesting to ensure China don't get the 2030 world cup?  

 

How could you protest before the decision? No one was expecting the corrupt old fucker to pull Qatar out the envelope, I don’t think many people even knew they were deciding on the 2022 hosts at the time either.

[Pedantic Pete]

59 minutes ago, aintforever said:

How could you protest before the decision? No one was expecting the corrupt old fucker to pull Qatar out the envelope, I don’t think many people even knew they were deciding on the 2022 hosts at the time either.

Lol..the countries that are bidding isn't a secret..Everyone knew Qatar were bidding for it..Each round a bid is disqualified so you even get to see who still is in the running as they count down to the final few.

They are currently looking at letting China bid for 2030..There you go 9 years notice for you to get out protesting!

 

[Toadhall Saint]

3 hours ago, Cartman said:

I'm not the one outraged about a World Cup in Qatar. Or the US for that matter. But I doubt we will see these same petitions and protests in 4 years time.

By the way, there are 2.3 million migrant workers in Qatar. The 6500 figure is the total that have died over the last 10 years, for any reason, employed in any job.

There is a lot of anti-Qatari propaganda around, since they aren't exactly on friendly terms with the US-Israel-Saudi-UAE alliance from hell. They are no angels, but this campaign isn't happening for innocent, humanitarian reasons, and certainly not driven by people who care about that.

6500 is still a lot?

[Saint_clark]

14 hours ago, Pedantic Pete said:

The problem IMO with this sort of thing is that there are so many issues in the world so why do people feel the need to bring politics into football?

The fish we eat is often caught using slave labour, the kits we buy are stitched by kids, we do multi billion pound business deals with countries violating human rights laws everyday, we let the Chinese do whatever they like to the people of Hong Kong with no consequence as we are trying to get down to carbon neutral by getting anything that is polluting made in another country (China) so we feel good for lowering carbon but can carry on consuming at the same levels...but woah..we should boycott the world cup..that will fix everything?

 

  

Generally I agree about politics being left out of it, but this isn't even about politics it's about the condition and treatment of the "workers" (see; slaves) that are working directly on this project.

[AlexLaw76]

Signed.  This means I will watch every game of the world up with an angry face.  However, I feel that along with my facebook profile change, we will solve this.

#JusticeForQatarWorkers #CurruptWorldCup #FuckFIFA #ItsComingHome

[Fan The Flames]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Signed.  This means I will watch every game of the world up with an angry face.  However, I feel that along with my facebook profile change, we will solve this.

#JusticeForQatarWorkers #CurruptWorldCup #FuckFIFA #ItsComingHome

It's ok, if you need some help to muster up some empathy just think of the 6500 people as toppled British statues.

[Fan The Flames]

12 hours ago, Cartman said:

I'm not the one outraged about a World Cup in Qatar. Or the US for that matter. But I doubt we will see these same petitions and protests in 4 years time.

By the way, there are 2.3 million migrant workers in Qatar. The 6500 figure is the total that have died over the last 10 years, for any reason, employed in any job.

There is a lot of anti-Qatari propaganda around, since they aren't exactly on friendly terms with the US-Israel-Saudi-UAE alliance from hell. They are no angels, but this campaign isn't happening for innocent, humanitarian reasons, and certainly not driven by people who care about that.

So you're not outraged by Qatar or the US, but you hope that someone else is equally outraged by the US as people are outraged by Qatar to make the outrage against Qatar appear fair. OK great point.

[Weston Super Saint]

15 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

6500 workers in Qatar have died building infrastructure for the 2022 World Cup.

It is scandalous and is legitimising a State that is virtually practicing slavery.

Any footballer that takes part has absolutely no conscience.

Surely the boycotts and petitions should have happened years ago so as to avoid all those deaths - genuine boycott of the world cup = no point building all the stadiums!

Isn't this just making sure the stable door is closed?

[East Kent Saint]

I think it is inportant for people to make their point at least those in charge will be aware even if they ignore it . How much better it would have been if Blair had taken notice of the marches against the 2nd Gulf war , for him and all those people who died in that war and the fact that it made us a bigger target .

Slave type conditions in the middle east are normal , people cannot escape as their bosses have their passports and local laws allow their exploitation .

Zero contracts , constant monitoring of individuals via computers governing their comfort breaks etc etc , which are now being put forward for home working , are not much better .

[Lord Duckhunter]

Perhaps the footballers could make a gesture before each game to show these slaves that their lives matter. Perhaps the broadcasters could bang on about it after every kick off,  and Wokies like Linekar could tweet about it constantly. That’s the only way we’re going to change the world, by making empty meaningless gesture that show we care and make us feel good about ourselves. 

Edited 11 April, 2021 by Lord Duckhunter

[Paulwantsapint81]

It needs major teams / players to boycott 

Germany

France 

England

Italy

Spain

Brazil

Argentina

Portugal

 

[aintforever]

12 hours ago, Pedantic Pete said:

Lol..the countries that are bidding isn't a secret..Everyone knew Qatar were bidding for it..Each round a bid is disqualified so you even get to see who still is in the running as they count down to the final few.

They are currently looking at letting China bid for 2030..There you go 9 years notice for you to get out protesting!

 

Lol, I think most people assumed a scummy country like Qatar wouldn’t even get a look in.

[igsey]

About 5 years too late to boycott this.

[Pedantic Pete]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

Lol, I think most people assumed a scummy country like Qatar wouldn’t even get a look in.

Do people realise we have trade with Qatar worth billions, I think we even make fighter jet's for them? Shouldn't we be picketing outside BAE if we are so set on making a stand against this "scummy country"? 

 

[Disco Stu]

On top of the human rights atrocities, the blatant corruption involved which has forced re-scheduling and a tournament to be played in unsuitable (potentially dangerous) conditions needs to be addressed.

 

[East Kent Saint]

Of course

3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Perhaps the footballers could make a gesture before each game to show these slaves that their lives matter. Perhaps the broadcasters could bang on about it after every kick off,  and Wokies like Linekar could tweet about it constantly. That’s the only way we’re going to change the world, by making empty meaningless gesture that show we care and make us feel good about ourselves. 

We don't feel good about ourselves by making our voices heard but the point should be made rather than just shrugging the shoulders and saying there is nothing we can do . FIFA and Olympic commitee corruption is at the heart of these decisions which is an ongoing disgrace but Bread and Circus's keep the Hoi Poloi entertained and 'Happy' so thats's alright then .

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, Pedantic Pete said:

Do people realise we have trade with Qatar worth billions, I think we even make fighter jet's for them? Shouldn't we be picketing outside BAE if we are so set on making a stand against this "scummy country"? 

 

Not sure what that has got to do with their suitability to host a World Cup. Their human rights record is just one of the reasons why they shouldn’t have been awarded it, in my opinion.

i get why sometimes countries like Russia and China get to host these things despite their obvious faults, but the Qatar decision was just illogical and corrupt.

[Weston Super Saint]

8 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Not sure what that has got to do with their suitability to host a World Cup. Their human rights record is just one of the reasons why they shouldn’t have been awarded it, in my opinion.

i get why sometimes countries like Russia and China get to host these things despite their obvious faults, but the Qatar decision was just illogical and corrupt.

Lol that you think China has a better human rights record than Qatar!  Didn't see anyone protesting or boycotting the Beijing Olympics in 2008 and the protests and planned absences from the Beijing Winter Olympics of 2022 are suspiciously quiet...

[Lord Duckhunter]

The picture of England players going down on one knee to signify that Black Lives Matter, prior to then trying to qualify for a tournament being held in Qatar, is a particular favourite of mine. Just about sums up the whole woke agenda, all mouth & no trousers. 

[East Kent Saint]

17 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The picture of England players going down on one knee to signify that Black Lives Matter, prior to then trying to qualify for a tournament being held in Qatar, is a particular favourite of mine. Just about sums up the whole woke agenda, all mouth & no trousers. 

So what do you suggest ?

[aintforever]

42 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Lol that you think China has a better human rights record than Qatar!  Didn't see anyone protesting or boycotting the Beijing Olympics in 2008 and the protests and planned absences from the Beijing Winter Olympics of 2022 are suspiciously quiet...

I never said that China had a better human rights record than Qatar, you obviously have problems reading.

[Fan The Flames]

4 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Perhaps the footballers could make a gesture before each game to show these slaves that their lives matter. Perhaps the broadcasters could bang on about it after every kick off,  and Wokies like Linekar could tweet about it constantly. That’s the only way we’re going to change the world, by making empty meaningless gesture that show we care and make us feel good about ourselves. 

Or governments like ours could join anti-slavery treaties and bring in modern slavery acts, bang on about the importance of it all and then just ignore them. The government the biggest virtual signalers of them all.

[AlexLaw76]

28 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Or governments like ours could join anti-slavery treaties and bring in modern slavery acts, bang on about the importance of it all and then just ignore them. The government the biggest virtual signalers of them all.

What are you doing about it?

What is the brand of device you used to compose and submit that post on? Does it contain mined components from deepest darkest Africa (by child slaves), before being made made in a sweat shop?  Was it made in China, where millions of Muslims are placed in detention camps?

Or is signing a petition (that takes almost zero effort) going to fix this?  Have you changed YOUR facebook/social media profile to display how wrong all this is? And you say the government is virtue signalling!!!

Edited 11 April, 2021 by AlexLaw76

[Fan The Flames]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

What are you doing about it?

What is the brand of device you used to compose and submit that post on? Does it contain mined components from deepest darkest Africa, before being made made in a sweat shop?  Was it made in China, where millions of Muslims are placed in detention camps?

Or is signing a petition (that takes almost zero effort) going to fix this?  Have you changed YOUR facebook/social media profile to display how wrong all this is? And you say the government is virtue signalling!!!

No surprise you've jumped to conclusions based on fuck all, where have I said I've signed any petition.

My point simply is, it's easy to stick it on wokies, when our government continually sign up for stuff and then just carry on as normal. Of course the government are virtue signalling, they are the worse type. 

I totally agree there are alarming problems with supply chains and it's depressing that it's virtually impossible to buy an electronic product that hasn't had a Chinese input.