Saints renew partnership with Sportsbet.io

[SuperSAINT]

 

Edited 8 April, 2021 by SuperSAINT

[Mattio]

As much as I'm against sticking betting companies on the front of shirts, it's a decent wedge for the club.

[JRM]

Makes me laugh it says more than the £7.5M per year LD Sports paid, did we ever get any money from that business that didn't even exist? 

Good thing for the club to just get as much money as possible in the current climate. 

As a betting firm they're not allowed to put that on kids shirts sold anyway, and any adults who would rather not advertise it but still want a shirt go for the Hummel 1987 ones just released with the good old Draper Tools sponsor. 

[Jeremy Corbyn]

17 minutes ago, Mattio said:

As much as I'm against sticking betting companies on the front of shirts, it's a decent wedge for the club.

Guess the test will be when we're in a financially better situation if they take more of a moral stance.  Personally I'd see betting sponsorship banned, but its clearly the most lucrative path at the moment.

[JRM]

1 minute ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Guess the test will be when we're in a financially better situation if they take more of a moral stance.  Personally I'd see betting sponsorship banned, but its clearly the most lucrative path at the moment.

Only a matter of time before the govt ban it , will go the same way as tobacco advertising eventually. 

[ant]

So did the Commercial team essentially fail to find a replacement, or have our much-touted 'club values' changed in the past 12 months?

[SuperSAINT]

3 minutes ago, ant said:

So did the Commercial team essentially fail to find a replacement, or have our much-touted 'club values' changed in the past 12 months?

I think realities of Covid kicked-in.

[Daft Kerplunk]

7 minutes ago, ant said:

So did the Commercial team essentially fail to find a replacement, or have our much-touted 'club values' changed in the past 12 months?

The values 100% go out of the window when it comes to money. Anyone who thinks otherwise is very naive. 

[ant]

7 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

The values 100% go out of the window when it comes to money. Anyone who thinks otherwise is very naive. 

If they were ever upheld. Seems a timely reminder that it's all simply a way to market the club.

[Charlie Wayman]

Disgraceful

[Colinjb]

Cannot deny the commercial sense, but to have that logo on our shirts is a disgrace.

[Turkish]

Why are people saying it’s a disgrace?

[LiberalCommunist]

Football is morally bankrupt. I say take the money.

It was nice that we once stood against this, but clearly times have changed. 

[wadesmith]

I have such a problem with sports betting. I think when advertising online gambling is finally banned, we will look back in 5 years & wonder how it was ever allowed? In the mobile phone age gambling is lethal. At least you can normally tell if someone’s got a drug or alcohol problem. Gambling is a silent disease. 18 year olds..80 yearold..men..women, it’s fucking lethal. There’s a reason they advertise all those mobile gambling sites in the afternoon when people aren’t working, And it’s not as simple as personal choice. These companies spend millions researching how to make these things as addictive and alluring as possible. I can’t wait until they ban advertising this shit...& they will ban it.

Edited 8 April, 2021 by wadesmith

[SuperSAINT]

14 minutes ago, LiberalCommunist said:

Football is morally bankrupt. I say take the money.

It was nice that we once stood against this, but clearly times have changed. 

Indeed.  In an ideal world, I’d rather we didn’t go with them... but in the real world, we also announced a loss of SEVENTY SIX MILLION POUNDS. 

[saint77]

45 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Disgraceful

Excellent deal for the club 

[VectisSaint]

2 hours ago, JRM said:

Makes me laugh it says more than the £7.5M per year LD Sports paid, did we ever get any money from that business that didn't even exist? 

Good thing for the club to just get as much money as possible in the current climate. 

As a betting firm they're not allowed to put that on kids shirts sold anyway, and any adults who would rather not advertise it but still want a shirt go for the Hummel 1987 ones just released with the good old Draper Tools sponsor. 

Are they paying more than £7.5m per year, or more than LD Sports paid per year? That is the question. If its the latter it could be 50p and still be more than those shisters paid us (allegedly)

[saint1977]

Best deal that the club could get whilst it still has an owner that by reports at the time scraped through FAPP and allegedly led to the rules being tightened. Hopefully the club will be taken over and then the club can start picking and choosing more again based on values. Whilst Gao is still owner (hopefully not for much longer) every penny helps even if it's sports betting. I'd argue the club is very lucky to be getting this deal. 

[Toussaint]

2 hours ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

The values 100% go out of the window when it comes to money. Anyone who thinks otherwise is very naive. 

that's exactly why I became a sex worker.

[CB Fry]

8 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

that's exactly why I became a sex worker.

The money is absolutely brilliant but the work can sometimes be a right pain in the backside.

[S-Clarke]

If i'm honest, I didn't expect anything else.

Getting a new sponsor in this climate would have been challenging, I doubt anyone else would have offered that value.

Sponsorship is sponsorship, no idea why it's a disgrace. If it allows us to keep a player or to sign an additional player that will improve our chances next season on the field, then what's the problem?

Edited 8 April, 2021 by S-Clarke

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, wadesmith said:

I have such a problem with sports betting. I think when advertising online gambling is finally banned, we will look back in 5 years & wonder how it was ever allowed? In the mobile phone age gambling is lethal. At least you can normally tell if someone’s got a drug or alcohol problem. Gambling is a silent disease. 18 year olds..80 yearold..men..women, it’s fucking lethal. There’s a reason they advertise all those mobile gambling sites in the afternoon when people aren’t working, And it’s not as simple as personal choice. These companies spend millions researching how to make these things as addictive and alluring as possible. I can’t wait until they ban advertising this shit...& they will ban it.

I bet you’re a bundle of fun in the ale house. 

[Baird of the land]

5 hours ago, JRM said:

Only a matter of time before the govt ban it , will go the same way as tobacco advertising eventually. 

Personally don’t see why it should be banned. There’s certainly not the health reasons to justify a ban like tobacco.

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, Baird of the land said:

Personally don’t see why it should be banned. There’s certainly not the health reasons to justify a ban like tobacco.

The NHS say it causes health issues...

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Being a compulsive gambler can harm your health

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-body/gambling-addiction/

[wadesmith]

13 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I bet you’re a bundle of fun in the ale house. 

Well, yeah, I guess it comes from living in an area of fairly high poverty levels..where, suprise, suprise  the bookmakers/slot machines fill the high street. I understand you’re comment..I guess I’ve just seen so many lives/families destroyed by gambling in the last 10 years, that It’s starting to cut deep. I understand the counter arguments, I’ve heard them a million times ‘Well it’s personal choice’....but it’s gone beyond that for me It’s easy to be flippant, I’m flippant myself about other issues that effect other people. This has always been a tough subject for me.

Edited 8 April, 2021 by wadesmith

[davefizzy14]

I think this is great news, a record deal for sponsorship over the next three years for the club

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, Baird of the land said:

Personally don’t see why it should be banned. There’s certainly not the health reasons to justify a ban like tobacco.

I’ve never meant anyone who has became a compulsive gambler because they saw an advert on a football teams shirt. In the same way I’ve never meant an alcoholic who became an alcoholic because of something written on a football teams shirt.  Be interested to know if anyone else has. 

[egg]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I’ve never meant anyone who has became a compulsive gambler because they saw an advert on a football teams shirt. In the same way I’ve never meant an alcoholic who became an alcoholic because of something written on a football teams shirt.  Be interested to know if anyone else has. 

Absolutely. An alcoholic will drink because he's an alcoholic. A compulsive gambler will gamble because he's a compulsive gambler. Adverts have nothing to do with it. 

[SNSUN]

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I’ve never meant anyone who has became a compulsive gambler because they saw an advert on a football teams shirt. In the same way I’ve never meant an alcoholic who became an alcoholic because of something written on a football teams shirt.  Be interested to know if anyone else has. 

I became a virgin after we had Virgin on our shirts but then my daughter arrived and screwed that up. 😏

[Daft Kerplunk]

12 minutes ago, egg said:

Absolutely. An alcoholic will drink because he's an alcoholic. A compulsive gambler will gamble because he's a compulsive gambler. Adverts have nothing to do with it. 

You guys should definitely not tell all of the betting companies that sponsor football this secret this because they think it helps sure people know who they are so they use them/legitimise them and encourage them to bet more 🤣 they’ll be gutted to know that all the data that has helped them make the decision to spend millions on football sponsorship is inaccurate nonsense 😎 

No personal judgment from me, it is what it is and it’s where money is available right now for clubs in the lower to middling level.  But values don’t actually count in premier league football clubs when it comes to money. If crack was legal, they’d take money from that. 

[egg]

4 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

You guys should definitely not tell all of the betting companies that sponsor football this secret this because they think it helps sure people know who they are so they use them/legitimise them and encourage them to bet more 🤣 they’ll be gutted to know that all the data that has helped them make the decision to spend millions on football sponsorship is inaccurate nonsense 😎 

No personal judgment from me, it is what it is and it’s where money is available right now for clubs in the lower to middling level.  But values don’t actually count in premier league football clubs when it comes to money. If crack was legal, they’d take money from that. 

Casual gamblers will be seduced by ads, ditto casual drinkers by ads. A compulsive gambler would still gamble if there was no ads because he's an addict and will gamble. Its a subject that many comment on without understanding. 

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

You guys should definitely not tell all of the betting companies that sponsor football this secret this because they think it helps sure people know who they are so they use them/legitimise them and encourage them to bet more 🤣 they’ll be gutted to know that all the data that has helped them make the decision to spend millions on football sponsorship is inaccurate nonsense 😎 

No personal judgment from me, it is what it is and it’s where money is available right now for clubs in the lower to middling level.  But values don’t actually count in premier league football clubs when it comes to money. If crack was legal, they’d take money from that. 

Interesting point. I wonder how many people in the UK bought dimplex or Sanderson (still no idea what they are) products because they were a sponsor of saints once. Have we all got Aon insurance on our Chevrolets because they sponsor Man U? Do we fly eithad everywhere because they sponsor Man City? Sorry but it’s all bullshit virtue signalling every saying it’s a disgrace a betting company sponsor a football team. Not one single person has ever become addicted to gambling because they saw a company name of a football shirt, the issues that lead to it run far deeper.

Edited 8 April, 2021 by Turkish

[Daft Kerplunk]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Casual gamblers will be seduced by ads, ditto casual drinkers by ads. A compulsive gambler would still gamble if there was no ads because he's an addict and will gamble. Its a subject that many comment on without understanding. 

But how do you get exposed to gambling? Is it hereditary and not influenced by availability of messaging? Of course a compulsive gambler will gamble regardless but how would you know where to go without marketing? Not a chance that millions are spent on advertising if it doesn’t work, the people that work this out are very intelligent. 

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

But how do you get exposed to gambling? Is it hereditary and not influenced by availability of messaging? Of course a compulsive gambler will gamble regardless but how would you know where to go without marketing? Not a chance that millions are spent on advertising if it doesn’t work, the people that work this out are very intelligent. 

There have been a huge amount of studies done on what makes someone an addict, look it up if it interests you. I can tell you what it isn’t. It isn’t seeing the name of a company on a football teams top. 

[egg]

7 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

But how do you get exposed to gambling? Is it hereditary and not influenced by availability of messaging? Of course a compulsive gambler will gamble regardless but how would you know where to go without marketing? Not a chance that millions are spent on advertising if it doesn’t work, the people that work this out are very intelligent. 

How do you get exposed to drinking? The answer is that it's out there and acceptable as per gambling, eating junk food,  anything that in excess can be unhelpful. 

Nobody is saying advertising doesn't work. The point is that advertising gambling doesn't make a compulsive gambler (addict) of a normal gambler in the same way that advertising alcohol doesn't make an alcoholic (addict) of a normal drinker. 

[haddock22]

Why does anyone think advertising doesnt work as companies spend millions on researching what makes people buy products.Think it lowers saints moral perspective for me

[trousers]

Just now, haddock22 said:

Why does anyone think advertising doesnt work 

The *primary* objective of advertising is to encourage people that already use a certain type of product/service to switch brands rather than trying to tempt people to try said product/service for the first time. 

[The Cat]

Presumably sportsbet own a hefty wedge of bitcoin, in which case their accounts must be in a very good place considering the price has gone up about 20x in the last year. 

[LiberalCommunist]

I get absolutely bombarded with gambling ads on youtube. Its a much bigger problem than shirts and bill boards. It really annoys me. I don't have an addiction, but I've known people who do, & I have a lot of sympathy for the illness they suffer from. Some of the comments on here seem really inconsiderate, and perhaps a little extra education on the subject may well help people understand the issue better. 

[egg]

7 minutes ago, LiberalCommunist said:

I get absolutely bombarded with gambling ads on youtube. Its a much bigger problem than shirts and bill boards. It really annoys me. I don't have an addiction, but I've known people who do, & I have a lot of sympathy for the illness they suffer from. Some of the comments on here seem really inconsiderate, and perhaps a little extra education on the subject may well help people understand the issue better. 

Yep, good post. We had the same on the Maradona thread after he died with disrespectful comments. People seem to think that people choose addiction, and it's sad that many people don't understand that it's an illness.

I have friends in Gamblers Anonymous and Alcoholics Anonymous. They've all had bleak times, but none of them believed that using something that initially gave them pleasure and enjoyment would grip them and ruin their lives.

None of them went to the depths that they did because of an advert for William Hill or Heineken, or whatever. 

[RedFear]

I have no opinion on the morality of this advertising and if you are looking for that, or just about anything virtuous, I am not sure the premier league is the place to look.

But what I am sure of, any sort of gambling advertising to a compulsive gambler must be just about the most effective marketing there is.

It might not be the sole cause of someone becoming a compulsive troubled gambler, but it certainly doesn't help, which is why it will probably be stopped eventually. To suggest it has no effect, is just to fight a cause because you are a contrary type of person. Which this board is full of.

However, its not illegal, and the club has every right to get as much as they can from any advertising. As someone said above, we just recently lost 10's of millions of pounds and our owner of possible *cough* dubious means (we are a long way from being angels) is not about to stick his hand in his pocket to dig us out.

Edited 8 April, 2021 by RedFear

[egg]

Just now, RedFear said:

I have no opinion on the morality of this advertising and if you are looking for that, or just about anything virtuous, I am not sure the premier league is the place to look.

But what I am sure of, any sort of gambling advertising to a compulsive gambler must be just about the most effective marketing there is.

It might not be the sole cause of someone becoming a compulsive troubled gambler, but it certainly doesn't help, which I why it will probably be stopped eventually. To suggest it has no effect, is just to fight a cause because you are a contrary type of person. Which this board is full of.

However, its not illegal, and the club has every right to get as much as they can from any advertising. As someone said above, we just recently lost 10's of millions of pounds and our owner of possible *cough* dubious means (we are a long way from being angels) is not about to stick his hand in his pocket to dig us out.

As eloquently put as that all is, you misunderstand the subject and the issue. I do not make my comments as a "contrary type of person", and I would respectfully suggest that you research this subject before commenting further. 

[RedFear]

1 minute ago, egg said:

As eloquently put as that all is, you misunderstand the subject and the issue. I do not make my comments as a "contrary type of person", and I would respectfully suggest that you research this subject before commenting further. 

While I too respect your equally eloquent reply, you unfortunately seem to suffer from an over large view of yourself and your own experience.

As nice as it is to be invited and uninvited to when I can and cannot comment, I will just as respectfully decline. You will notice I do not comment much as it is, so I wont bother you too much I promise.

I also do not intend to take this further with you, as arguing on a football message board is just about as dull as it gets, but its absolutely incredible if you are really suggesting that advertising/marketing has no effect. Even more so to someone who already has a problem/addiction with the very product that being offered to them. As I said, I am not saying it caused the problem, just that it cannot help. I understand you have friends who went through this, and I am genuinely sorry for that. 

But there is a reason Google and Facebook are some of the biggest companies around and its not because they give their product to people, free to use. Advertising works.

[Billy the Kidd]

I dont know about all this advertising stuff not being effective.

I've just spent 10 mins reading through here and now I feel like arguing the toss about anything, with anyone.

Maybe there's something in it after all...

[egg]

7 minutes ago, RedFear said:

While I too respect your equally eloquent reply, you unfortunately seem to suffer from an over large view of yourself and your own experience.

As nice as it is to be invited and uninvited to when I can and cannot comment, I will just as respectfully decline. You will notice I do not comment much as it is, so I wont bother you too much I promise.

I also do not intend to take this further with you, as arguing on a football message board is just about as dull as it gets, but its absolutely incredible if you are really suggesting that advertising/marketing has no effect. Even more so to someone who already has a problem/addiction with the very product that being offered to them. As I said, I am not saying it caused the problem, just that it cannot help. I understand you have friends who went through this, and I am genuinely sorry for that. 

But there is a reason Google and Facebook are some of the biggest companies around and its not because they give their product to people, free to use. Advertising works.

Ha!! You do not know my experience, or what I do, but it's clear that you have no knowledge that is relevant to this subject. I have no wish in debating with the ill informed, so let's leave it. 

[JRM]

46 minutes ago, The Cat said:

Presumably sportsbet own a hefty wedge of bitcoin, in which case their accounts must be in a very good place considering the price has gone up about 20x in the last year. 

I'm sure I remember you telling me you'd invested in some of that mate, any truth in the rumour that you're part of a consortium looking to buy Saints with crypto currency? 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, haddock22 said:

Why does anyone think advertising doesnt work as companies spend millions on researching what makes people buy products.Think it lowers saints moral perspective for me

Obviously it does work. For example when Carling premier came out In the days it was the FA carling premiership I drank a few pints of it, even though I’ve always Carling. It didn’t mean I became alcoholic, because addiction  is much more complex than simply trying to convince a market to buy your product over the others out there by putting your name in a place people will see it. I repeat once again no one ever became an addict because of something they saw on a football teams shirt.  

Edited 8 April, 2021 by Turkish

[Turkish]

42 minutes ago, RedFear said:

I have no opinion on the morality of this advertising and if you are looking for that, or just about anything virtuous, I am not sure the premier league is the place to look.

But what I am sure of, any sort of gambling advertising to a compulsive gambler must be just about the most effective marketing there is.

It might not be the sole cause of someone becoming a compulsive troubled gambler, but it certainly doesn't help, which is why it will probably be stopped eventually. To suggest it has no effect, is just to fight a cause because you are a contrary type of person. Which this board is full of.

However, its not illegal, and the club has every right to get as much as they can from any advertising. As someone said above, we just recently lost 10's of millions of pounds and our owner of possible *cough* dubious means (we are a long way from being angels) is not about to stick his hand in his pocket to dig us out.

What’s more likely to make someone gamble? Seeing something on a football shirt or having a dozen bookies in every high street or being able to open your phone and gamble within seconds. There are a lot more things that need to be regulated before advertisements 

[SFC Forever]

I don't know how most of you began drinking, gambling, smoking etcetera but but I would hazard a guess that it was when younger and going out with your mates. I know my first bet was in 1962 whilst serving in our armed services. It was after a few drinks in a pub that didn't ask my age. 

My son followed my example last year after starting work at Richard Hannon's racing stables as groom rider. He smokes drinks and gambles but also, like I was, is far more interested in the fit young fillies of his age working beside him. Trust me I know some of them and they are fit.

Maybe many of these addicts don't have such stimuli to take their attention away from the other vices but I personally knew one Irish chef I worked with and he would disappear for days at a time due to his need for alcohol. His addiction was not made worse through adverts.

How many of us look forward to a drink before a game, and afterwards at times? Not because we have seen an advert but more because we can meet up with fellow Saints fans. For me Mary Whitehouse springs to mind with the gnashing of teeth and hair pulling caused by a simple advert.

[sifter]

10 hours ago, VectisSaint said:

Are they paying more than £7.5m per year, or more than LD Sports paid per year? That is the question. If its the latter it could be 50p and still be more than those shisters paid us (allegedly)

This is what I cant find the answer too either. 'Biggest deal ever'sounds good but what is the detail? Also its suggested this strengthens our ability to buy....but why does it? That might sound silly question but if we are committed to balancing the books ans just recently took a 75 million loan...we are still 50ish million in debt...so we still need to sell before we can buy?

Or I'm wrong...happy to be wrong just want to know the reality, not the flashy strapline.