Che Adams - could Saints do better?

[verlaine1979]

  On 14/05/2021 at 08:32, Fan The Flames said:

Che gets rocks for being one footed and then gets no credit for scoring a nice goal with his favoured foot.

Saintsweb logic at it finest, the only reason it went in is because he is shit and one footed. Lucky he wasn't a better finisher because he may have missed.

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For the illiterate, the point isn't whether the Palace goal was a good or bad finish. It's whether it shows that he's a good finisher.

And the answer is, it doesn't. He's a terrible finisher, as the last five games or so have demonstrated over and over.

[Fan The Flames]

  On 14/05/2021 at 15:33, verlaine1979 said:

For the illiterate, the point isn't whether the Palace goal was a good or bad finish. It's whether it shows that he's a good finisher.

And the answer is, it doesn't. He's a terrible finisher, as the last five games or so have demonstrated over and over.

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I get your wider point, but I was responding to your point that it was a jammy finish. That was a bit silly.

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 14/05/2021 at 15:33, verlaine1979 said:

For the illiterate, the point isn't whether the Palace goal was a good or bad finish. It's whether it shows that he's a good finisher.

And the answer is, it doesn't. He's a terrible finisher, as the last five games or so have demonstrated over and over.

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Napoleon would have had something to say about that.

[Maggie May]

Another extremely jammy finish from Che today. Hope he sorts out his finishing soon.

[Mr X]

In reply to the original question.... No.. No we couldn't do better... Not on our budget anyway & Che offers more than goals.. his work rate and positioning is generally pretty good... Offers more than minimino 

Edited 15 May, 2021 by Mr X

[Ex Lion Tamer]

13 goals in the last 40 appearances for Che now

[Jeremy Corbyn]

  On 15/05/2021 at 14:52, Mr X said:

In reply to the original question.... No.. No we couldn't do better... Not on our budget anyway & Che offers more than goals.. his work rate and positioning is generally pretty good... Offers more than minimino 

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Indeed. When was the last time our second best striker was this good?

[Billy the Kidd]

  On 15/05/2021 at 15:01, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Indeed. When was the last time our second best striker was this good?

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Beattie / Parhars?

[Mr X]

  On 15/05/2021 at 15:01, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Indeed. When was the last time our second best striker was this good?

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Good point probably the days of raziak saganowski? Pahars Beattie? 

[Mr X]

Kenwyne Jones?  😜

[Saint_clark]

  On 15/05/2021 at 15:01, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Indeed. When was the last time our second best striker was this good?

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In relative terms? Sharp or Barnard second to Lambert. 

In premier league terms...Pahars? Phillips should have been but never got there for us.

[Dusic]

Excellent again today. Improving all the time. Great to see as he seems like an honest, hardworking pro.

[Cartman]

  On 15/05/2021 at 15:01, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Indeed. When was the last time our second best striker was this good?

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Depends on how you define striker. Mane, Tadic, Pelle and Long wasn't that long ago and is arguably the best set of forwards we have ever had.

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 13/05/2021 at 12:15, Whitey Grandad said:

Eight goals so far with three games to go.  That seems pretty close to ten.

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Nine goals now with two games to go. He’s getting closer to that magical ten mark

[Matthew Le God]

  On 15/05/2021 at 15:01, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Indeed. When was the last time our second best striker was this good?

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  On 15/05/2021 at 15:56, Saint_clark said:

Phillips should have been but never got there for us.

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22 goals in 64 league games is pretty good, especially as his second season was for a team that finished 20th.

[Turkish]

  On 15/05/2021 at 15:56, Saint_clark said:

In relative terms? Sharp or Barnard second to Lambert. 

In premier league terms...Pahars? Phillips should have been but never got there for us.

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You’re kidding? Phillips was good for us. Quality player. 

[Saint_clark]

  On 15/05/2021 at 18:42, Turkish said:

You’re kidding? Phillips was good for us. Quality player. 

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Maybe the final season and the way he left has tainted my memory, I certainly didn't realise his record was as good for us as it was.

[The Kraken]

JRod is worthy of a mention. Ok, not truly a second striker in a 442, but definitely more of a forward than a midfielder and had a decent season with us before getting injured.

Edited 15 May, 2021 by The Kraken

[Turkish]

Billy Sharp in the championship 

 

 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

  On 15/05/2021 at 18:43, Saint_clark said:

Maybe the final season and the way he left has tainted my memory, I certainly didn't realise his record was as good for us as it was.

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Some fans saw him as a bit of disappointment at the time because he didn't score as many for us as he did at Sunderland, but his all round play was quality and a real asset. And I'm not just saying that to make an Adams comparison

[Give it to Ron]

  On 15/05/2021 at 20:41, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Some fans saw him as a bit of disappointment at the time because he didn't score as many for us as he did at Sunderland, but his all round play was quality and a real asset. And I'm not just saying that to make an Adams comparison

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That idiot Redknapp dropped him  in that must win game against Man Utd !!

Despise that tool!

Che is very much a confidence player his all round contribution for team shouldn’t be under estimated but it’s goals that count for strikers we look better up front when he plays.

[S-Clarke]

  On 16/05/2021 at 08:43, Give it to Ron said:

That idiot Redknapp dropped him  in that must win game against Man Utd !!

Despise that tool!

Che is very much a confidence player his all round contribution for team shouldn’t be under estimated but it’s goals that count for strikers we look better up front when he plays.

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He's what i'd call a patchy player, he's liable to go on huge stretches without a goal, but when he does get a goal the door opens and he pops up with 5 or so in a short space.

But even during his runs of no goals, he's not ineffective by any means. Assists, hold up play, stretching CB's etc. He's still doing all of that.

It's not worth underestimating his partnership with Ings either, which has really flourished since the Lockdown football last year - the period between June - Dec. From December onwards Ings has just had injury after injury, so that partnership has been disrupted a lot and it's all fallen on Adams shoulders.

'If' Ings can stay fit next year there is easily 30-35 goals in that front two, IMO. And for a club of our size that's huge.

Edited 16 May, 2021 by S-Clarke

[Lord Duckhunter]

  On 16/05/2021 at 08:43, Give it to Ron said:

That idiot Redknapp dropped him  in that must win game against Man Utd !!

Despise that tool!

Che is very much a confidence player his all round contribution for team shouldn’t be under estimated but it’s goals that count for strikers we look better up front when he plays.

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So what about Ralph dropping him for the semi final. If Redknapp is an idiot dropping Philips for our biggest game of the season, then surely Ralph is the same. Especially, as he’s a confidence player. Watching Redmond mince around in his place must be confidence sapping. 

[Give it to Ron]

  On 16/05/2021 at 10:08, Lord Duckhunter said:

So what about Ralph dropping him for the semi final. If Redknapp is an idiot dropping Philips for our biggest game of the season, then surely Ralph is the same. Especially, as he’s a confidence player. Watching Redmond mince around in his place must be confidence sapping. 

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Adams should have played.

So I think with Tuesday in mind and need to protect Stu and Ings there was a choice between 2 Minamino wasn’t as bad as against Palace yesterday.

Redmond should have got the hook but maybe Ralph felt that would have sapped his confidence more.

If he starts Tuesday then that should really piss off those on bench.

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 16/05/2021 at 13:19, Give it to Ron said:

Adams should have played.

So I think with Tuesday in mind and need to protect Stu and Ings there was a choice between 2 Minamino wasn’t as bad as against Palace yesterday.

Redmond should have got the hook but maybe Ralph felt that would have sapped his confidence more.

If he starts Tuesday then that should really piss off those on bench.

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And quite a few on here, I suspect.

[Give it to Ron]

  On 16/05/2021 at 13:36, Whitey Grandad said:

And quite a few on here, I suspect.

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...and in the ground

[Wurzel]

Adams confirmed in Scotland squad for the Euros. Like to think he'll gain extra experience but they're unlikely to get more than 3 games before they're on their way home again.