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5 minutes ago, Chapel End said:

Why do you think it would drop off 

I'm guessing he's suggesting it would be the"Saganowski effect" but I can't imagine Theo being that unprofessional if I'm honest. I think there are definitely plenty of positives compared to negatives with regards signing him permanently. 

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2 minutes ago, sibster said:

I'm guessing he's suggesting it would be the"Saganowski effect" but I can't imagine Theo being that unprofessional if I'm honest. I think there are definitely plenty of positives compared to negatives with regards signing him permanently. 

That's what I was driving at, although as you have suggested, I think he is far too professional and honest to not let that happen. 

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14 hours ago, Chris cooper said:

His wages at the toffees apparantly  was 100k a week.. wonder how much of a drop he will take in wages ? 
70k a week ?

A bit more than the 20k some idiot on here suggested.

I think under Semmens etc we will be run a bit better than previous lot so basically what we can afford to pay .

I think around 60-70k won’t be far off.

 

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19 hours ago, sibster said:

I'm guessing he's suggesting it would be the"Saganowski effect" but I can't imagine Theo being that unprofessional if I'm honest. I think there are definitely plenty of positives compared to negatives with regards signing him permanently. 

‘The Saganowski Effect’ haha, love that we all have the same comparison in mind when it comes to loan players giving their all for a contract and then turning it in after that. Great player in that loan season. 

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15 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Signing Walcott permanently would be madness. A complete waste of wages. Djenepo is the future, Walcott most certainly is not. 

For decent wages he's someone to add to the squad. He's not very good anymore though, and is another who does go missing. But that kinda fits with the rest of the team.

He adds something, it would be nice to add better, but we do not have the money.

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Just now, S-Clarke said:

But that kinda fits with the rest of the team.

Sounds like a pretty good reason not to keep him to me. I'm sorry, I don't think he's worth keeping. He may be better than Djenepo or Redmond but that's in much the same way that Jakobsson was better than Davenport. If we're going to keep the likes of Walcott and Bertrand next season, we're going to keep getting the same results. It's not all their fault but they're a part of the problem we at least have the option to do away with, cost free.

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On 12/04/2021 at 20:15, S-Clarke said:

For decent wages he's someone to add to the squad. He's not very good anymore though, and is another who does go missing. But that kinda fits with the rest of the team.

He adds something, it would be nice to add better, but we do not have the money.

That reads a bit as though you are defeating your own argument?

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I was pleased for him and us when we signed him on Loan .He was good for the first few games but seems to have regressed as whilst his pace is good still, he seems to get the ball caught up in his feet all the time. I fear if we sign him we shall all be moaning on here that he is another Shane Long.

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5 hours ago, Toussaint said:

That reads a bit as though you are defeating your own argument?

Truth be told, I'm conflicted. I think he'd add something to the squad in the sense of depth, we do 'sometimes' look better when he plays due to his pace/direct running - but the reality is that he is a long way past his best.

We need to be realistic though - we're not going to be able to get someone with his experience and, still, relative quality for free. Feels like it makes sense for free/low wages, but just don't expect fireworks. I'd see him as squad depth going forward. 

If we had the ability to get better than Theo I'm sure we would, but we can't - and I guess we need to accept our place as a club right now with this owner. 

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4 hours ago, rooney said:

I was pleased for him and us when we signed him on Loan .He was good for the first few games but seems to have regressed as whilst his pace is good still, he seems to get the ball caught up in his feet all the time. I fear if we sign him we shall all be moaning on here that he is another Shane Long.

the Shane Long comparison is a good one. Runs fast in straight lines, works hard, offers something, but if you want to create a side capable of fighting in the upper echelons you need more. With the funds we have that means gambling a little on youth, a lower league player or someone from abroad. 

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I waiver so much between yes, and no with him. At the moment it's a no, but I think we are all pretty much accepting that it's happening. The club seem to have tied this up already, so there's no debate here anymore. He's ours for probably the next two years, so we've got to suck it up I guess. For free this is about all we can do until we get investment.

He was absolutely awful today though, passing dreadful, touch poor. Ineffective press, poor decision making. It's like playing with 10 men when he's like that, sadly it's been more often than not.

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Most definitely not. He's actually got worse than Redmond. And will no doubt be on a hefty wedge. Can we not find another Armstrong he's head and shoulders above the other attacking mids we have. Tella looks decent but better out wide for me.

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I was in the yes camp before tonight's game. However, after that non performance, it has to be a no. I really wanted it to work out here for him, but I think with our limited resources we have to look elsewhere. If it's just a case of squad depth, then I would be looking at bringing back Mo from Celtic.

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49 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I was in the yes camp before tonight's game. However, after that non performance, it has to be a no. I really wanted it to work out here for him, but I think with our limited resources we have to look elsewhere. If it's just a case of squad depth, then I would be looking at bringing back Mo from Celtic.

Our limited resources is exactly why we aren't looking elsewhere and giving him a contract.

 

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There's a reason a team fighting over 6-9th didn't want him, sold him to a team fighting over 7-12th, who then decided they didn't want him either. I think we'd be bat sh*t crazy to offer him any sort of contract but fear that's exactly what we'll do.

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Walcott never really did fulfill his potential, and has slowly declined over the years. I've seen nothing from him at Saints that would make me want to sign him, although he is part of a piss poor team, but his general play has been quite awful. It would be so like us though to spunk away money on more dead wood, and watch him spend most of next season either benched or injured.

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In the games where I thought he was doing okay early on, he was playing more centrally. He'd pick the ball up, move forward a few yards and the move would break down. I gave him the benefit of the doubt because of course most moves driving through the middle of the pitch get smothered.

But now he's spending more time out wide and I realise he'd just doing the same thing. He runs in straight lines in the hope that this will be enough to take him past a defender, and 99% of the time it isn't, so he gets robbed and the move breaks down. He's so predictable he gets his pocket picked almost every single time.

 

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That last night should be Theo’s last game for saints ..could have staked a claim for an opposing role with Jennifer Lawrence in a futuristic space movie with that shocking performance!..put him back in his box 📦 ship him 1st class back to goodison park via Amazon...Thanks but no thanks .

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1 hour ago, Chris cooper said:

That last night should be Theo’s last game for saints ..could have staked a claim for an opposing role with Jennifer Lawrence in a futuristic space movie with that shocking performance!..put him back in his box 📦 ship him 1st class back to goodison park via Amazon...Thanks but no thanks .

Actually made me chuckle the film comment.

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8 hours ago, nta786 said:

Our limited resources is exactly why we aren't looking elsewhere and giving him a contract.

 

If limited resources are the factor, which they probably are, then have a look at league one, championship, France ... anywhere, there must be better value for money out there, and with the chance for us to improve them, which is never going to happen with Theo. 

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11 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I waiver so much between yes, and no with him. At the moment it's a no, but I think we are all pretty much accepting that it's happening. The club seem to have tied this up already, so there's no debate here anymore. He's ours for probably the next two years, so we've got to suck it up I guess. For free this is about all we can do until we get investment.

He was absolutely awful today though, passing dreadful, touch poor. Ineffective press, poor decision making. It's like playing with 10 men when he's like that, sadly it's been more often than not.

Well if we've tied the deal up before the end of the loan period we are mad. For one he could break his leg in the next match. For two we should be having as long a look at him as possible. He has blown hot and cold and yesterday he was blowing so cold there was a blizzard following him and a better manager than Ralph would have hooked him before half time. Overall I don't think he has shown enough to justify a contract.

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The way they were talking in the fans forum on Thursday night its pretty safe to assume the deal is done and its just waiting for an official announcement at the end of the season presumably.

Theo is and has always been a typical winger for me, hes either very good or very poor with little in between. He was crap last night but that was a great ball through for Tella to set up Adams for probably our best chance in the first half. 

If he's signing for his experience to help the younger players and is going to be a bench option then fine. If he's coming as a regular starter then we are going to struggle. 

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As it seems a done deal, wonder if the club will be transparent in what we are actually paying in wages for essentially an aging passenger who offers nothing trading on his past teenage form? 

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2 hours ago, Chris cooper said:

That last night should be Theo’s last game for saints ..could have staked a claim for an opposing role with Jennifer Lawrence in a futuristic space movie with that shocking performance!..put him back in his box 📦 ship him 1st class back to goodison park via Amazon...Thanks but no thanks .

Tempting, but he won’t be going back to Everton. His contract expires in the summer and he needs to find some other mugs/club to take him on.

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If the club have already done this deal it proves they have learnt nothing from the Les Reed debacle. With money so tight they would be mad to sign Walcott who really hasn't contributed much on the field (nothing against him, he is probably an asset in the dressing room but with a relegation battle coming up next season we need to spend out money elsewhere).

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One dimensional player whose entire game was dependent on outrageous acceleration that just isn't there any more. He's not even our fastest player - and our team is slow as shit.

Pointless giving him a contract. His peak passed years ago. It'd be Shane Long all over again - who, incidentally, we're also going to be stuck with next season.

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2 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

One dimensional player whose entire game was dependent on outrageous acceleration that just isn't there any more. He's not even our fastest player - and our team is slow as shit.

Pointless giving him a contract. His peak passed years ago. It'd be Shane Long all over again - who, incidentally, we're also going to be stuck with next season.

Tone honest I think I’d prefer Long.

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3 hours ago, qwertyell said:

One dimensional player whose entire game was dependent on outrageous acceleration that just isn't there any more. He's not even our fastest player - and our team is slow as shit.

Pointless giving him a contract. His peak passed years ago. It'd be Shane Long all over again - who, incidentally, we're also going to be stuck with next season.

If we gave Walcott a two year deal, I can’t imagine him and Long would be on less than £100kpw combined. That’s over £10m on those contracts plus whatever signing on and agents fees. For a club who’s supposedly skint and won’t be getting investment any time soon, that’s verging on insanity.

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Was actually for him staying until recently but I see him keep making the same gaffs over and over again. He is dispossessed so easily its unreal and now it is so bad that when the ball goes to Theo you know that the opposing side has possession. Bad idea to take him on. 

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9 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Sounds like it's a done deal from press conference today. 2 year deal.

Ralph praises his professionalism and impact off the pitch as well as on it. 

For the money he'd cost, I think it's a good deal for all involved.

Just got to hope that his keeping possession of the ball is worked on in the summer.

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